You're part of the problem!

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Why is it that so few of "us" get involved in volunteering, politics or anything that makes a difference. You can't complain about Bush if you didn't vote." by Warren

I don't condemn the Bush Administration, because the Bush Administration is not responsible for the demise of the Black community. Furthermore, President George Bush, and the Bush Administration are making the world a safer place for people from all walks of life!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

I hear ya Warren,

People do need to educate others and contribute time and money..people really need to understand how they are affected by politics based on their social reality (race, wealth, gender). Those who just criticize and offer nothing to better the situation need to just shut their dead weight azzes up.......

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Why is it that so few of "us" get involved in volunteering, politics or anything that makes a difference. You can't complain about Bush if you didn't vote." by Warren

I don't condemn the Bush Administration, because the Bush Administration is not responsible for the demise of the Black community. Furthermore, President George Bush, and the Bush Administration are making the world a safer place for people from all walks of life!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Why is it that so few of "us" get involved in volunteering, politics or anything that makes a difference. You can't complain about Bush if you didn't vote." by Warren

I don't condemn the Bush Administration, because the Bush Administration is not responsible for the demise of the Black community. Furthermore, President George Bush, and the Bush Administration are making the world a safer place for people from all walks of life!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

RECENT STANCE ON IRAQ BY TED KENNEDY.............................

Iraq war an 'intractable quagmire': Ted Kennedy

[This is the print version of story http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1399776.htm]


AM - Friday, 24 June , 2005 08:12:00
Reporter: Leigh Sales
TONY EASTLEY: There have been sharp words exchanged in a feisty hearing in the United States Congress about how the Bush administration is handling Iraq.

Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld fronted the Senate Armed Services Committee today, as a number of polls show public support for American involvement in Iraq slipping even further.

Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy told Mr Rumsfeld he had made "gross errors" in Iraq, which had become an "intractable quagmire." The Defence chief responded by saying he'd already offered his resignation twice to the President, but it had been refused.

From Washington, North America Correspondent Leigh Sales reports.

LEIGH SALES: Senator Kennedy didn't hold back.

TED KENNEDY: Secretary Rumsfeld, as you know, we are in serious trouble in Iraq, and this war has been consistently and grossly mismanaged, and we are now in a seemingly intractable quagmire. Our troops are dying, and there really is no end in sight.

Our troops deserve better, Mr Secretary, I think the American people deserve better. They deserve competency, and they deserve the facts. In baseball it's three strikes and you're out. What is it for the Secretary of Defence?

LEIGH SALES: Mr Rumsfeld took a deep breath when the Democrat finished.

DONALD RUMSFELD: Well, that is quite a statement. First, let me say that there isn't a person at this table who agrees with you that we're in a quagmire, and that there's no end in sight. The suggestion by you that people – me or others – are painting a rosy picture is false. I think that the comments you made are certainly yours to make, and I don't agree with them.

TED KENNEDY: Well, my time has just expired, but Mr Secretary, I'm talking about the misjudgements and the mistakes that have been made, the series which I've mentioned. Those are on your watch. Isn't it time for you to resign?

DONALD RUMSFELD: Senator, I have offered my resignation to the President twice, and he's decided that he would prefer that he not accept it. And that's his call.

LEIGH SALES: It's not just Democrats who are increasingly critical on Iraq. Prominent Republicans are also urging the administration to come up with an exit strategy, and be honest with the American public about what it's going to take to stabilize the fledgling democracy.

The Secretary of Defence is frustrated that people aren't acknowledging positive developments.

DONALD RUMSFELD: The reality is that they are making political progress without question. The reality is that the American forces that are training and equipping and mentoring the Iraqi security forces are doing a darn good job, and the number has been going up steadily and consistently.

LEIGH SALES: Mr Rumsfeld laid down the conditions for a successful US troop withdrawal.

DONALD RUMSFELD: It will depend on the extent to which the various ethnic factions reconcile, and they're now doing that; the level of support from the international community, and the timing will depend on Iraq's neighbours as well, whose behaviour continues to be unhelpful.

LEIGH SALES: The Bush administration has never budged in its insistence that the war in Iraq was necessary to protect Americans from terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.

But they've failed to persuade most Americans of that. The latest CNN/Gallup poll shows 56 per cent of people believe going to war was the wrong decision.

This is Leigh Sales in Washington for AM.

Michael:

You're still an idiot. We battled on EB years ago and it seems you still have an ax to grind with black "leaders." The Bush Administration is killing innocent American children and Iraqi's. How you or anyone else can justify the deaths of thousands of innocent people by claiming we are safer (which, by the way, is entirely inaccurate) is absolutely mindboggling.

Good Day

"You're still an idiot. We battled on EB years ago and it seems you still have an ax to grind with black "leaders." The Bush Administration is killing innocent American children and Iraqi's. How you or anyone else can justify the deaths of thousands of innocent people by claiming we are safer (which, by the way, is entirely inaccurate) is absolutely mindboggling." by Warren

...I'm thriving, financial success is happening for me. The Democratic Party, AA benefits, Black leaders, the Black middleclass, etc., are not in anyway responsible for my success. It matters not that anyone refers to me as being an idiot, lazy, etc., etc., because the American dream is happening for me! Hard work, personal sacrifice, the support of my immediate family, risk taking, and opportunities set up by the Caucasian business community, have made it possible for me to move from rags to riches. In addition, I have achieved this success without receiving one dime in social welfare, using acts of deceit, commit criminal acts, and/or resort to treason to take advantage of anyone in the Black community to make it possible for me to acquire assets, remain financially solvent, etc. Again, I only give credit where it is due.

The Black community is certainly not thriving. The only idiots, misfits, treasonous, backwards, sellouts, lazy, blatantly incompetent, and/or un-American individuals who truly exist, are our no good Black elected leadership, and the Black middleclass or others who praise this worthless treasonous trash.

Furthermore, neither the President Bush Administration, President George Bush, nor are Caucasians responsible for the demise, and lack of constructive growth as it relates to Black America. The Black community, has been in a state of poverty for decades. For well over forty years, the Democratic Party, especially through our own elected leadership and jack-leg Black preachers have controlled the destiny of the Black community.

Shake off, or avoid being shackled, stagnated, and kept in bondage by these idiots of treason, incompetence, and/or sleaze in our own elected Black leadership. "Kick to the curb" the dominance of poverty pimps, and no good jack leg poverty pimping jack leg sacreligious Black preachers, and you too can achieve your own American Dream.

The Republican Party has a strong history of generating wealth. In contrast, the Democratic Party has a long history of increasing taxes, wasting taxpayer's hard earned dollars, doing everything possible to keep the poor in poverty, and/or further oppressing the oppressed! This reality leads any reasonable thinking individual to draw the same or a very similar conclusion!

In closing the facts speak strongly as to who really keeps the Black community in bondage....which is definitely not President George Bush, the Republican Party, racist Caucasians, etc. Following in the footsteps of the "race card players", the "it is all the fault of racist Caucasians" crowd is both useless, counter-productive, senseless, and it has yet to move the Black community out of poverty!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

He does not understand his reality Warren..... he makes blatantly wrong azz statements to be a sensationalist and get reactions out of people.....like a larry elder type.......it is a warped way of drawing attention to oneself......even though they know their whole environment is a daily reflection of political disenfranchisement....He does not read enough to understand policy and the inner workings (intended and unintended consequences) of policy....if someone calls a congressman an illegal without proof to back it up, what makes you think they will ever attain the level of sophistication to understand measurable policy outcomes and the adverse effects that they may have on a targeted group of people......that is the intelligent, academic way to analyze policy and draw a conclusion in terms of your stance on an issue...that is way above his head based on his simplistic azz views motivated by self-hatred or racism, depending on what he realy is.......I tried to reach him and provide factual evidence to the contrary of what he was saying....but some people do not want to grow intellectually...so that their views (no matter how warped) can remain credible to them. Those are obvious, clinically observable behavior traits.....so yes he is an idiot....but he is comfortable being one.....so there is nothing you can do......but just provide facts to the contrary of that nonsense he posts in here....one can pretend that they are bullschtting me with what they believe.....but they cannot fool themselves....he is an inner city dweller...so he knows more about the schitty reality of things than I do.....and he understands the concept of adverse politics leaving the schools in despair, black unemployment in double-digits and rising crime as a reflection of this admnistration......he saw it in the ray-gun years, he saw the opposite in the 90's and now he sees how f-ked up the country is now.......depsite his rallying cries to bush to the contrary of what the country thinks......but he's not bullschitting me.....he just wants to spread the misery that is a part of his everyday life....based on hate of self and those that look like him.....or his overt racism....it all goes back to problems with one's self-perception.....

You know, it occured to me that if someone claimed that AA, MLK,Jr., Black leaders, etc. were in no way responsible for their success, does this mean that AA, MLK,Jr., Black leaders, etc. had nothing to do with any African American's success?

I mean, what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic.

"It didn't help me, therefore it didn't help anyone".

Ahh, come-on! How about 1 person? It helped at least 1 person, right? How about 100, gimme 100! 1000? Yah? You'll admit to 1000? 10,000? 10,000's a very low number! Yippy-skippy! One million, AA helped one million African American's? Man, this is going great.

What about ten-millon? No? Too high for your comfort zone? Five-million than, five-million, surely? Okay, we have lift-off. AA helped at least 5-million African Americans achieve success, at least a greater leval of success than they would have without AA.

I think that this was part of the reasoning of the majority of Americans, at least in early 2003, for the contunuation of AA.



Associated Press poll. Feb. 28-March 4, 2003
N= 1,013 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by ICR.


"Do you think affirmative action programs that provide advantages or preferences for blacks, Hispanics and other minorities in hiring, promoting and college admissions should be continued, or do you think these affirmative action programs should be abolished?"


Should be continued 53%
Should be abolished 35%
Don't know 12%

"I mean, what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic.

"It didn't help me, therefore it didn't help anyone". by ChileWillow...and these words or thoughts are from Chilewillow alone, and not me.

"...I'm thriving, financial success is happening for me. The Democratic Party, AA benefits, Black leaders, the Black middleclass, etc., are not in anyway responsible for my success. It matters not that anyone refers to me as being an idiot, lazy, etc., etc., because the American dream is happening for me! Hard work, personal sacrifice, the...." by Michael Lofton, which does not coincide or have the same meaning as the quotation as expressed by Chilewillow.

..Furthermore I have very good reason for condemning the typical Black elected leadership, the many no good jack leg poverty pimping Black preachers, and/or many of the so-called Black middleclass who praise them.

Proposition 209, has ruled Affirmative Action un-Constitutional within the State of California. AA definitely has not benefited the masses, as it pertains to Black inner-city residents. AA has benefited Caucasian women, a few of the Black middleclass, and other ethnic groups more than it has benefitted the truly oppressed, the poverty stricken, inner-city residents, etc.

Futhermore, those who have very good grades, those who can prove their competency do not need the crutch of affirmative action benefits to succeed.

The unfairness of AA, is what prompted the majority of voters within the State of California, to pass Proposition 209, the California Constitutional initiative that bans Affirmative Action policy with respect to any government agency in California. In California it is illegal and unlawful to promote Affirmative Action, as it pertains to use of government benefits for public use.

In the State of California, breaking the law to promote Affirmative Action, for public business, an issue that is now illegal to promote, may mean jail time and fines. I refuse to violate proposition 209, to subject my own best interest to civil and/or penal prosecution, for AA benefits, that are now illegal, and have yet to benefit me, or anyone within my circle in the first place. I expect to keep my hard earned income.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
"what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic saying that if

"It didn't help me, therefore it didn't help anyone", by ChileWillow...and these words or thoughts are from Chilewillow alone, and me.

...I'm thriving, financial success is happening for me. The Democratic Party, AA benefits, Black leaders, the Black middleclass, etc., are not in anyway responsible for my success. It matters not that anyone refers to me as being an idiot, lazy, etc., etc., because the American dream is happening for me! Hard work, personal sacrifice, the...." by Michael Lofton



Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Same response...

"what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:

I'm thriving, financial success is happening for me. The Democratic Party, AA benefits, Black leaders, the Black middleclass, etc., are not in anyway responsible for my success. It matters not that anyone knows me as being an idiot, lazy, etc., etc., because the American dream is happening for me! Hard work, personal sacrifice, the...." by Michael Lofton, which does not coincide or have the same meaning as the quotation as expressed by Chilewillow.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Same response...

"what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic.

Same response...

"what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic" by Chilewillow

AA is illegal in California and obeying the law is the issue, not nonsense of following logic that will lead to my own self-destruction, and/or the destruction of anyone else, who chooses to violate the law.

......being ethical, moral, obeying the law, and/or supporting American ideals, are very logical. This being said, it would be far more beneficial to follow this trend of logic, than to follow in the footsteps of misfits and those who praise them!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:


** "what a narrow, gross, self-centered implication. What a narrow, gross, self-centered error in logic"

"This being said, it would be far more beneficial to follow" ".... misfits and those who praise them"

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

** ibid.