you're right...
what was I thinking?
aroooo???? (scooby voice)
deleting it now.... (it would be nice if you could delete the quote too...

I have moments like this...

Peace,
Virtue
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
Ummmm....
you're right...
what was I thinking?
aroooo???? (scooby voice)
deleting it now.... (it would be nice if you could delete the quote too...)
I have moments like this...
Peace,
Virtue
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
Grrrrrrrrr.....
Okay...
Touche'
But...
It's on now buddy....
couldn't help a sista out?
Grrrrr........ gotta leave all my embarrasing ramblings on the board huh?
Fine Mister....
It's sooooo on!!!
Peace,
Virtue
quote:Originally posted by virtue:
Why thank you Mr. Brother....
Peace,
Virtue
quote:Originally posted by Toria:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by HonestBrother:
OK. Here's one single black man who is ready to commit to an educated sistah who is ready to commit to me
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HonestBrother: One would believe from this string that a man couldn't swing a dead cat without finding an educated sistah if he were truly looking for one.
(Disclaimer1: The harming of animals, neither actual nor proverbial, is implied or condoned in this statement. Disclaimer2: The striking or threatening of educated sistahs with said dead feline would obviously be condemned in the strongest possible terms.)
Forgive me. I've gotta cut back on the scotch. (kidding)
quote:Originally posted by hobo:
A guy here. I think men can, and do commit to educated sistas, but their interaction has to change.
Black man, gotta continue to grow and develop yourself.
Black woman, gotta be more humble.
The reason I say this is because, I come from a 2 parent home. Both are PhD's but it wasn't always that way. My father was my mother's professor in graduate school (it was ok in those days). After being married for 2 years they started having kids. I'm #2. But as we grew older, my mother decided to go back to school to get here PhD.
When my father shared this info with his (upper-middle class) friends, they warned him "as soon as she gets that PhD, she's going to become the self-appointed leader of the house"
On the other side, my mothers church-going sistas warned her: "There are a lot of pretty girls on his job, are you sure about spending more time apart?"
Guess what happened? As soon as my mother got here PhD, she announced that she was hypenating her name?
My father's friend told him: "See, this is how it starts."
A lot of other things followed...but the main point is my father played it cool, reminded my mother how much he loves here and the family.
Ever since then, he is much more humble about his own accomplishments and more supportive of her goals...
Still married..35 years.
So back to my point, i think if single black men are with educated sistas. The sistas gotta be more humble, like MY FATHER.
quote:Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
Wow--once again, a woman posts a narrow perception of why black men seem to be avoiding or misusing sisters, and she is met with a myriad of objective, well-meaning responses. When I made a discussion stating that I was a brother of a "certain caliber," I was told that I would be perceived as being arrogant and conceited.
Here I am reading a discussion, written by a woman, referring to herself and certain sisters in general as "prime wife material," and she is met with objective, supportive, sympathetic comments.
As Kresge has already stated, I, too, do not fit the narrow criteria, Nikcara, for which you have listed as to the reasons why us brothers aren't marrying sisters. I doubt many of the brothers on this site also don't fit your criteria.
I'm just going to speak strictly from personal experience--it has been my experience that many of these sisters (doctors, lawyers, CPA's, etc.)are simply inaccessible primarily because they run in such tight knit social circles.
Many of these sisters will work all day, barely say hello or make eye contact with possible mates, run straight home, turn on Oprah, call up a girlfriend on the phone and say, "Girl, there ain't no good men out there!"
Some of these sisters won't openly admit this but some of them walk around pre-judging brothers by sight alone, "He walks/dresses/smiles/talks just like my ex used to--I don't want him." Some sisters won't give brothers a chance--I've experience first dates where sisters will interview me like I'm applying for a CEO position of a major corporation.
I could answer 19 out of 20 questions correctly--if she doesn't approve of one particular answer, not only will she have the arrogance to explain, in a whimsicle way of course, why I wouldn't be a suitable match for her, she will also do the "don't call me, I'll call you" routine.
Many sisters put up proverbial road blocks, pits, walls, thorn vines, trees, rings of fire, and anything else that they can throw in the way (tire spikes) because they think this is how they can tell if a brother is worthy of their time.
Now, don't take this the wrong way--don't think I'm some kind of loser that couldn't get a woman if I paid for one--I'm just merely stating some of my bad first date experiences among what I consider to be many successful dates. The point is, too many of these sisters have unrealistic expectations, pre-judge or exclude a certain demographic of brothers altogether because too many of them simply don't sit down and figure out what kind of man they need and want in their lives.
Too many sisters listen to their girlfriends--too many sisters watch too much television--too many sisters read too many entertainment magazines. Too many sisters think that it's up to the brothers to make first contact, and initiate romance--compounded by the fact that some of them may have had a few bad experiences with some brothers in their past, and what you end up with is a bitter, disalusioned, jaded, unrealistic, unapproachable sister.
What I have mentioned above doesn't necessarily mean that these kinds of sisters are actually mean--it just means that they have closed themselves off due to bad experiences or haven't developed their social skills in order to better interact with members of the opposite sex.
quote:Originally posted by HeruStar:
Nikcara,quote:It is statements like yours that make me thank God everyday for my dad, he was the main person pushing me to go to law school. I guess he knew that the brothas like you out numbered the strong Black men like him 10 to 1 so he wanted me to be able to thrive and not just survive
I'll entertain your suggestion that I'm weak-willed, weak-minded, and ill-advised about feminine contributions to a relationship. I'll also entertain the implication that I'm in desperate need of a weak sista who can't think for herself.
Holding those attributes that you've appointed to me constant, one can conclude that no real woman, (in her right mind), would ever consider subjecting herself to such a chauvinist.
But see, sista Nikcara, your problem is not with me or men like me. Your problem is with the many women who choose a different route in life. Your problem is with women don't have as hard a time as you do considering their choices and investing themselves full-heartedly into either of the trade-offs.
New Title: Why can't more black women immerse themselves into their career and education like me?
When will black women stop letting these black men force them to stay at home and take care of the house?
I myself love and appreciate all the Condoleza Rice's out their (highly educated). But even moreso I love a Maya Angelou (conscious). You put those two gifted women in the same room with a man, and the conscious woman will always grab the man's soul. A conscious woman can read a man like a book. A highly educated woman would have a hard time figuring out 'what' he likes, while the conscious woman can detail 'why'. A conscious woman is Peace, Love, and Understanding. A highly educated woman is "Let's make a deal", an arrangement, a pre-nuptual (did I spell that right?) agreement.
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:quote:Originally posted by IRONHORSE:
Wow--once again, a woman posts a narrow perception of why black men seem to be avoiding or misusing sisters, and she is met with a myriad of objective, well-meaning responses. When I made a discussion stating that I was a brother of a "certain caliber," I was told that I would be perceived as being arrogant and conceited.
Here I am reading a discussion, written by a woman, referring to herself and certain sisters in general as "prime wife material," and she is met with objective, supportive, sympathetic comments.
As Kresge has already stated, I, too, do not fit the narrow criteria, Nikcara, for which you have listed as to the reasons why us brothers aren't marrying sisters. I doubt many of the brothers on this site also don't fit your criteria.
I'm just going to speak strictly from personal experience--it has been my experience that many of these sisters (doctors, lawyers, CPA's, etc.)are simply inaccessible primarily because they run in such tight knit social circles.
Many of these sisters will work all day, barely say hello or make eye contact with possible mates, run straight home, turn on Oprah, call up a girlfriend on the phone and say, "Girl, there ain't no good men out there!"
Some of these sisters won't openly admit this but some of them walk around pre-judging brothers by sight alone, "He walks/dresses/smiles/talks just like my ex used to--I don't want him." Some sisters won't give brothers a chance--I've experience first dates where sisters will interview me like I'm applying for a CEO position of a major corporation.
I could answer 19 out of 20 questions correctly--if she doesn't approve of one particular answer, not only will she have the arrogance to explain, in a whimsicle way of course, why I wouldn't be a suitable match for her, she will also do the "don't call me, I'll call you" routine.
Many sisters put up proverbial road blocks, pits, walls, thorn vines, trees, rings of fire, and anything else that they can throw in the way (tire spikes) because they think this is how they can tell if a brother is worthy of their time.
Now, don't take this the wrong way--don't think I'm some kind of loser that couldn't get a woman if I paid for one--I'm just merely stating some of my bad first date experiences among what I consider to be many successful dates. The point is, too many of these sisters have unrealistic expectations, pre-judge or exclude a certain demographic of brothers altogether because too many of them simply don't sit down and figure out what kind of man they need and want in their lives.
Too many sisters listen to their girlfriends--too many sisters watch too much television--too many sisters read too many entertainment magazines. Too many sisters think that it's up to the brothers to make first contact, and initiate romance--compounded by the fact that some of them may have had a few bad experiences with some brothers in their past, and what you end up with is a bitter, disalusioned, jaded, unrealistic, unapproachable sister.
What I have mentioned above doesn't necessarily mean that these kinds of sisters are actually mean--it just means that they have closed themselves off due to bad experiences or haven't developed their social skills in order to better interact with members of the opposite sex.
Ironhorse: I completely and totally agree with you on these points. I found myself doing some of this. Specifically, working all day, going straight home, cooking, turning on Andy Griffith and getting on the phone with my girlfriend talking about how lonely I was...LOL Ok??? Seeing the same people every day, driving the same route, even going to the same grocery store if I needed to stop and wondering why I never meet any good men..... Then, when I met men through non-traditional approach, I would do the 20 question thing and rule him out saying that we weren't going to work because he wasn't open to certain things or he was open to too many things in some cases! LOL
But how do you stop this cycle? My daily routine is mandatory for many reasons and I do want to find out right away if the brother is worth my time.....![]()
quote:Originally posted by El Tigre:
Now, I DO understand that men aren't supporting women - for NUMEROUS reasons - so, you gotta get an education to survive. More power to you.
quote:Originally posted by Rowe:
No Sister Qty, let his ass stay right here, because after we get done with him, he'll be better for it. So let him stay. Because he's about to understand the true power of women, since he claims women have so much power - he's about to get a free demonstration.
quote:Originally posted by El Tigre:
Get done with me?
Sweetheart, there's nothing a female can do to me except, be a bitch - and, that makes HER look bad.
Beyond that, you're not one of my women and therefore, not on my radar and are of no consequence. Just a vagina with an attitude...
quote:Originally posted by El Tigre:
Beyond that, you're not one of my women and therefore, not on my radar and are of no consequence. Just a vagina with an attitude...
quote:Originally posted by El Tigre:
Beyond that, you're not one of my women and therefore, not on my radar and are of no consequence. Just a vagina with an attitude...
quote:Originally posted by The one and only ME:
But how do you stop this cycle? My daily routine is mandatory for many reasons and I do want to find out right away if the brother is worth my time.....![]()
quote:Originally posted by El Tigre:
Get done with me?
Sweetheart, there's nothing a female can do to me except, be a bitch - and, that makes HER look bad.
Beyond that, you're not one of my women and therefore, not on my radar and are of no consequence. Just a vagina with an attitude...