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September 15, 2004 2:12 a.m. EDT
Hurrican Ivan Batters Western Cuba, Damage Moderate

DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
September 15, 2004 2:12 a.m.

CORTES, Cuba (AP)--Elma Garcia laughed in resignation as
she held the cold water tap from her sink -the only thing
left from her bathroom in one of few populated areas near
the westernmost tip of Cuba that Hurricane Ivan grazed on
its way to the Gulf of Mexico.

"We thought that when it was all over there would be
nothing left," Garcia, a 57-year-old retired elementary
school teacher, said. "But, well, at least we found
something."

Authorities who organized a helicopter tour of Cortes on
Tuesday said it was among the communities most heavily
damaged when Ivan passed through with its punishing winds,
heavy rains and pounding surf on Monday night before moving
up toward New Orleans. Along the island's southwestern
coast, towns such as Cortes were flooded, roofs were ripped
off, and homes destroyed.

Although the planting season had not yet begun, dozens of
tobacco curing houses in the western province of Pinar del
Rio had walls or roofs torn away.

Garcia and her husband were among those evacuated in
Cortes, and like many Cubans, opted to stay with neighbors
on higher ground. Returning home Tuesday, they found all
the bathroom fixtures gone -toilet, bathtub, sink and
mirror, all evidently swept away by the sea.

Also gone was the refrigerator. Windows were shattered,
parts of the one-story, concrete block home's wall and roof
were torn away.

"Imagine how difficult it will be for a pair of old people
like us to start all over again," said Garcia.
Nevertheless, she said she knew the government would help
her rebuild, just as it had after past hurricanes.

The helicopter flight over the region showed damage to
Maria la Gorda, a popular scuba diving resort near Cuba's
western tip. The roofs of some buildings were torn off and
downed palm trees scattered the grounds.

Elsewhere, some agricultural crops were flooded.
A small bridge and roads were under water.

But no deaths or injuries were reported on the
communist-run island and although authorities have not yet
provided figures, it was clear damage here was not close to
the destruction Ivan caused earlier in the Cayman Islands,
Jamaica, Grenada. At least 68 people have died: 15 in
Jamaica, 39 in Grenada, five in Venezuela, one in Tobago,
one in Barbados, four in the Dominican Republic and three
in Haiti.

"It's still premature to know the damage and loss," Civil
Defense Lt. Angel Macareno said Tuesday night on a
state-run television program focusing on the hurricane's
aftermath.

Macareno credited Cuba's evacuation program for ensuring no
one died. He said nearly 1.9 million of the nation's 11.2
million people -rather than the 1.3 million earlier
reported -were evacuated before Ivan struck.

Evacuations here are widespread and mandatory. Civil
defense plans are highly developed, with preparedness
education programs for the entire population.

"The Cuban way could easily be applied to other countries
with similar economic conditions, and even in countries
with greater resources that do not manage to protect their
population as well as Cuba does," Salvano Briceno, director
of the U.N. International Strategy for Disaster Reduction,
said in Geneva.

In 1998, only four people died during Hurricane Georges,
while 600 died elsewhere. This year, Hurricane Charley
killed four people in Cuba, but 27 in Florida.

Also hitting the Caribbean, Tropical Storm Jeanne
strengthened to near hurricane as it near Puerto Rico,
which it is scheduled to reached on Wednesday afternoon.

Islanders on Tuesday frantically bolted the doors of their
homes, prepared to evacuate from lowlying areas and rushed
to supermarkets to buy supplies.

The storm has prompted a hurricane warning in the U.S.
Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico where lines formed at
supermarkets and islanders raced to put up hurricane
shutters.

"It's going to be a close call for Puerto Rico," said Chris
Hennon, a meteorologist with the U.S. National Hurricane
Center in Miami. "Jeanne will probably become a hurricane
Wednesday."

At 11 p.m., Jeanne's center was 40 miles southeast of St.
Croix in the U.S. Virgin Islands. Maximum sustained winds
were at 60 mph, just 14 mph short of becoming a Category 1
hurricane, the weakest on a scale of five.
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MBM:

Let us strip away the B.S. and ask some tough and introspective questions.

New Orleans - REALITY not "WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA"

Can you tell me where the "Emergency Shelters" might be if you had it your way?

Now think of this. There was an evacuation order given.

I understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Despite this warning there will be some people without the means to leave they city and will need help.

What was NOT accounted for is the large number of people who said "I have heard it all before. I'm not leaving". Even today you have people showing up to be rescued in placed that had been previously thought to have been vacated.

Stripping away the B.S. - how WOULD YOU MANAGE THIS SITUATION if you actually had some responsibility?

This is a catastrophy all the way around!!!!

I believe that the government at every level DID NOT HAVE AN ADEQUATE EMERGENCY PLAN in place before this incident happened.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Can you tell me where the "Emergency Shelters" might be if you had it your way?


The question, respectfully, seems moot. The city was/is covered in water so whatever shelters there might have been would seem to also have been damaged. With that as context, it seems that the dome and conference center - sites that can hold large numbers of people - would be the next logical places.

What would you have done differently?

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Despite this warning there will be some people without the means to leave they city and will need help.

What was NOT accounted for is the large number of people who said "I have heard it all before. I'm not leaving". Even today you have people showing up to be rescued in placed that had been previously thought to have been vacated.


You are poor. You have little to no money. You do not own a car. Your family may all be in the vicinity.

Within a 24 hour period, where are you going to do?

How are you goint to get there?

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Stripping away the B.S. - how WOULD YOU MANAGE THIS SITUATION if you actually had some responsibility?


The president had the ability to have troops and resources there overnight. He chose, for whatever reason, not to do so. If that had been in Dallas, TX or Westchester, NY or Miami, FL or even Washington, DC do you really think it would have taken this long to mobilize help? Confused
If Cuba was so great, millions would not risk their lives to flee, enough said about communist cuba and the leftist delusions of paradise.

Some facts and observations regarding what has happened in New Orleans:

8.6 BILLION federal dollars has poured into Louisiana since 9/11 for Evacuation and Emergency Planning. Obviously the Louisiana officials, ie, the governor and the mayor of new orleans itself, did no planning, had no clue, so where did that money go? -
The guidance had even been agreed to, that satellite emergency communications technology just like the military uses, would be installed, costing about 2 billion. OBVIOUSLY that didn't get done since communications and coordination has been cited as major problems they have faced there. Again, what happened to all that money?

The governor of the state and the mayor of orleans share in this blame of lacking communication and coordination capability, even tonight that is still a MAJOR issue. Pitiful.

(FANTASTIC contrast between the state of Texas, which is fully ready locally with emergency and evacuation capability, and Louisiana which handled the event pitifully. or to the point negligently)

The National Guard, who is directly under the control of the Governor of Louisiana, and noone else, was not mobilized anywhere near quickly enough, which should have been BEFORE the storm even hit since there was plenty of warning it was coming. What on earth was the mayor and governor doing all those days as Katrina approached??? Baffles the mind. As soon as the winds died down, they should have been moving into Orleans, and not just 2000, but at minimum 10,000. That didn't happen. They are just now arriving in bulk, on day 5!!

The Mayor of New Orleans, knowing many of his constituents may not have transportation, could have EASILY mobilized the thousands of public school buses directly under his control, as well as greyhound, vans, trucks, and hundreds of city vehicles, BEFORE the storm even hit, and immediately after the winds died down, drove the buses right to the Projects, and right to the neighborhoods and starting loading people, provided direction to where people could go to get the buses, empty out all the hospitals, nursing homes, etc.

He ordered an emergency MANDATORY evacuation but FAILED TOTALLY to facilitate or support it in any way. Had this been done, thousands of lives would have been saved.

There SHOULD have been temporary facilities setup to house these people away from the effected areas, and simply driving them out of town shortly before the storm hit could not possibly have been all that difficult to coordinate. (They are coordinating it NOW aren't they. My god)

NOT A SINGLE BUS, TRUCK, VAN, OUT OF THOUSANDS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY, WAS PROVIDED BY THE MAYOR AND ORLEANS CITY COUNCIL TO ANYONE. AGAIN, IMMEDIATELY BEFORE, AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE STORM, NOT A SINGLE EFFORT WAS MADE TO HELP ANYONE GET OUT OF NEW ORLEANS. THATS PRACTICALLY CRIMINAL ON THIS MAYOR'S PART.

An entire fleet of public school buses in and around New Orleans, thousands of them, just sat, got wet, got wasted. And people died because of it, thousands of people.

It was the Mayor's idea, while in a state of panic, that suddenly the notion that thousands of people should get to the SuperDome. So on they marched thru the water. No cots, no toilets, no water, no food, no security, no transportation, NOTHING did the Mayor and city council have ready, or even a clue as to what was needed. Why? Because the Mayor and city officials had not planned at all, were IMMENSELY inept, incapable, incompetent. Blood on their hands for that foulup.

Sending thousands of people into a murderous stinking sewer with no food or security like the mayor did that day HAS to be one of the worst decisions ever made by a politician anywhere on earth. This man has no business being a leader of any type. He couldn't organize a small picnic obviously.
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Originally posted by JanesT:


8.6 BILLION federal dollars has poured into Louisiana since 9/11 for Evacuation and Emergency Planning. Obviously the Louisiana officials, ie, the governor and the mayor of new orleans itself, did no planning, had no clue, so where did that money go? -


Where did you get this information....????
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Originally posted by JanesT:

Sending thousands of people into a murderous stinking sewer with no food or security like the mayor did that day HAS to be one of the worst decisions ever made by a politician anywhere on earth.


You seem to have such great insight. Where would you have directed people?
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If Cuba was so great, millions would not risk their lives to flee, enough said about communist cuba and the leftist delusions of paradise.
If Cuba is so bad then how come you can't directly speak to the point and demonstrate how the USofA is better than Cuba in this pretty important and relevant regard?

In other words, you don't have shit to say but some off-topic bullshit. People fleeing Cuba for whatever reason have nothing to do with the effectiveness of their evacuation plans.

So your statement was a delusion if you actually thought that BS would suffice as a respectable counter.
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If Cuba was so great, millions would not risk their lives to flee, enough said about communist cuba and the leftist delusions of paradise.

If Cuba is so bad then how come you can't directly speak to the point and demonstrate how the USofA is better than Cuba in this pretty important and relevant regard?

In other words, you don't have shit to say but some off-topic bullshit. People fleeing Cuba for whatever reason have nothing to do with the effectiveness of their evacuation plans.

So your statement was a delusion if you actually thought that BS would suffice as a respectable counter.


AGAIN:

The love affair between the "oppressed Black American" who has VISTED the island of Cuba and noted how much the revolution has succeeded is a long enduring love affair.

To my knowledge the only kneegrows that have actually moved over there to live out their dreams have been ones who were ESCAPING CRIMINAL PROSECUTION in the United States. This includes the one lady who killed a prison guard during her escape.

I only hope that one day some of you all live in a country in which you come face to face on a daily basis with your IDEOLOGY.

Your work efforts will be for the common good so don't fret as you worker harder and smater than the next man and you have your rewards CONFISCATED from you because SOMEONE ELSE HAS A GREATER NEED THAN YOU DO. (I am sure that you will be motivated to perform at you peak over the long haul in such a country.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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If Cuba was so great, millions would not risk their lives to flee, enough said about communist cuba and the leftist delusions of paradise.

If Cuba is so bad then how come you can't directly speak to the point and demonstrate how the USofA is better than Cuba in this pretty important and relevant regard?

In other words, you don't have shit to say but some off-topic bullshit. People fleeing Cuba for whatever reason have nothing to do with the effectiveness of their evacuation plans.

So your statement was a delusion if you actually thought that BS would suffice as a respectable counter.


AGAIN:

The love affair between the "oppressed Black American" who has VISTED the island of Cuba and noted how much the revolution has succeeded is a long enduring love affair.

To my knowledge the only kneegrows that have actually moved over there to live out their dreams have been ones who were ESCAPING CRIMINAL PROSECUTION in the United States. This includes the one lady who killed a prison guard during her escape.

I only hope that one day some of you all live in a country in which you come face to face on a daily basis with your IDEOLOGY.

Your work efforts will be for the common good so don't fret as you worker harder and smater than the next man and you have your rewards CONFISCATED from you because SOMEONE ELSE HAS A GREATER NEED THAN YOU DO. (I am sure that you will be motivated to perform at you peak over the long haul in such a country.


And this has what to do with the topic of this thread? Confused
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
Your work efforts will be for the common good so don't fret as you worker harder and smater than the next man and you have your rewards CONFISCATED from you because SOMEONE ELSE HAS A GREATER NEED THAN YOU DO. (I am sure that you will be motivated to perform at you peak over the long haul in such a country.


I haven't read this entire thread ... but, in this country, one can work harder and smarter than the next man and NEVER receive our just rewards in the first place. Having them confiscated afterwards couldn't really be much worse than that.

Also, it was reported on A CNN show this evening that Castro has offered to send 1100 medical staff and 26 tons of medicine to the US for relief purposes. The president has not responded to that offer. Roll Eyes
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8.6 BILLION federal dollars has poured into Louisiana since 9/11 for Evacuation and Emergency Planning. Obviously the Louisiana officials, ie, the governor and the mayor of new orleans itself, did no planning, had no clue, so where did that money go? -
The guidance had even been agreed to, that satellite emergency communications technology just like the military uses, would be installed, costing about 2 billion. OBVIOUSLY that didn't get done since communications and coordination has been cited as major problems they have faced there. Again, what happened to all that money?



"No one can say they didn't see it coming"
In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

Left: A New Orleans resident walks through floodwaters coated with a fine layer of oil in the flooded downtown area on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Sidney Blumenthal



Aug. 31, 2005 | Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut the Corps of Engineers' request for holding back the waters of New Orleans' Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans levees, but it was too late.
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I haven't read this entire thread ... but, in this country, one can work harder and smarter than the next man and NEVER receive our just rewards in the first place. Having them confiscated afterwards couldn't really be much worse than that.



COOL - so any transition that you make to another country won't be so dramatic because your anticipation is low already.

It is going to take RELOCATION for some of you to realize that despite it's flaws America is a better place to live for a kulored fella than most.
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COOL - so any transition that you make to another country won't be so dramatic because your anticipation is low already.

It is going to take RELOCATION for some of you to realize that despite it's flaws America is a better place to live for a kulored fella than most.
STFU!!

1] Stating the REALITY has nothing to do with "anticipation" or Low Expectations. It is simply a Statement of Fact. One that you obviously have no other counter for than your Neo-Coonin'...

2] Whether America is the "best" place, comparatively, has shit to do with America being a BETTER place than what it is. You can take that supposedly Blackened version of "Love It Or Leave It" back to Fantastic Sams or some other place you want to celebrate being close and intimate with White people.

And you can GIVE ME YOUR ADDRESS. We'll all relocate there so you can feel some real-to-life "oppression". Of course, we'll play the Majority and we'll let you be the "oppressed" Minority. We'll explore all types of "oppression"... Then when we're done we'll tell you about some places were it would be even worst for you. So when you're crying "Why Are You Doing This To Me (where is the Black Communities "democracy")" we'll tell you you're in the best situation you could be in. Where else would you like to be a "minority", an actual fuckin' "anomaly" (as Kevin says), amongst a racial/ethnic group?

In other words, stop your complaining... you got it good. Your ass hasn't been *NECKLACED* yet!
Be happy.
The obvious pattern of behavior to recognize, emanating from the usual dissenters and apologist of white America, is the patter of obfuscation and misdirection in the face of challenge. These dissenters and apologist are not seekers and embracers of truth; rather, they are defenders of myths, propaganda and stereotypes, for the benefit of the image of white America and white leadership of this nation.

When one points out something bad in this country, they tell you to go live in another country and refuse to invest effort in changing this nation. As long as there is another place worse than America, they will not be motivated to change America because they can always say "If you don't like it then move to so and so". Thus, the only trigger for change in their minds is at the point that this nation is as bad as others. One morning, these folks will wake up in America and that will be true...it will be as bad, if not worse, than other places, thanks in part to people like CF who only thinks its a problem if other places don't have it worse.

These people who refuse to address the contradictions of the propaganda and promise of America, with that of its reality are enabler of the decline of this nation. They are more than enablers...they are cosigners of it, while at the same time fancying themselves as patriots and defenders of America. A true friend will tell you what you need to hear and not what you want to hear in order to feel good or maintain and illusion about yourself.

These dissenters and apologist are not friends of black people, nor are they friends of America.
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These dissenters and apologist are not friends of black people, nor are they friends of America.


The people who talk so much RHETORIC that IS NOT MODELED IN THEIR ACTUAL LIVES have done little to distance their future generations from the source that is predicted to harm them even 90 years before they will be born.

Is this environment where they will be born of their choosing or is it the location where the decisions of their forefathers have lead them too as part of the forefather's journey AND/OR pause in this journey?
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Is this environment where they will be born of their choosing or is it the location where the decisions of their forefathers have lead them too as part of the forefather's journey AND/OR pause in this journey?
After all of this BS... you not only have the nerve to claim other people's discourse is "RHETORIC" but you say some more BS RHETORIC that makes no sense.

Being an ANOMALY, a minority among Black people and a suckass to Whites is of your choosing. You do a FANTASTIC job of that. And we've already heard your silence on what you and your type of Black CONservatives have done with actions, etc.

Hell, your kids don't even go to a school "modeled after your actions"... They go to the SchoolHouse LIBERALS Built. So don't you ever talk about RHETORIC and BS talk that's not modeled in someone's life. You're the epitome.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
COOL - so any transition that you make to another country won't be so dramatic because your anticipation is low already.


Not exactly. My reality is low already. I expect equal pay for equal work, but statistics prove that's not what I actually receive. Any transition could make the situation better or worse ... who knows, could go either way, depending. But the reality is, in this country, (individual experiences aside) on the average Blacks are paid less than Whites for doing the same job. I hope you already know that. Roll Eyes

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It is going to take RELOCATION for some of you to realize that despite it's flaws America is a better place to live for a kulored fella than most.


And I don't have to go anywhere to know that as f**ked up as this country is (excuse the french, but that's the only appropriate word I could think to use at the moment!), there are few places better to live than here. As I have stated before, I'm glad to be an American. Proud is a whole other can of worms ... but I can count my blessings and acknowledge reality at the same time! Eek

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