For whatever religion you are, why? What brought you to that religion?

I am of the atheist-agnostic type, I do not believe in god at all, but I don't(usually) claim there is no god.
I was bought up in a Christian household, so most I know about religion is from a Christians standpoint. So all my religious qualms(I don't if this is the right word but) are toward Christianity. Personally I don't think that people are part of whatever religious group because of genuine belief, but because their parents were Christians/Muslim/etc. Of course this is not true for all cases but that is my general thoughts on the matter.
Bom Chika Wah Wah
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I'm a Born Again Heisenberg Heretic.

I decided I was an agnostic when I was 12 but started reading about the occult when I was 22.

I think most of what comes under the category of religion and the occult is BS but it can be difficult to tell what. That is the reason for the Heisenberg, after the Uncertainty Principle. I suspect the system works on reincarnation. Of course being a heretic allows for a lot of room for independent thought since it is almost impossible to not be a heretic no matter what I think.

It makes for a nice acronym.

B.A.H.H. cannot be sheep.

umbra
I'm an Aborisha. A person who is devoted to Ifa. Ifa is the traditional spiritual science of what are known as the Yoruba people of West Africa. 'Orisa' is a devine aspect of nature, much like the Netcher/Neteru of KMT. It's a sister practice to Voudun(Not the negative connotated 'withchcraft' but the actual spiritual system)... For people that do not know about either and automatically demonize African paths as 'Juju' I explain that it is kinda like Africa 'Hinduism' without the vegetarianism.

Basically, it's one of West Africa's version of naturalistic pantheism. There are some aspects of panentheism too.

I came to Ifa because I wanted to resurrect the worldview of our ancestors before colinization and slavery(the African personality). Religion/spiritual sustem is the deification of culture, and since culture is 90% of warfare, and we are an oppressed people(which is a constant state of war), it was a logical progression. Also, the ancestors have been beconning me to Africa itself, as well as all things African since childhood.
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I believe that there is one spirit realm, but many traditions/spiritual languages that we live by to describe and understand that realm. The spirit realm is the ORGIN, not the religion itself. From a religous perspective, Christianity is my first language and my calling. But I am trying to become bilingual in my religous communication by studying the Kamitian system of spiritual cultivation; and eventually incorporating the meditation and fasting practices.

I am not a Christian because I think it is the the sole truth in life. Again, it's just how I communicate religously.
Respectfully, I do not participate in any organized religion at all as I believe that there is but one God ... Creator of all that is ... and that religions are man made devices that only serve to divide and not unite individuals. My beloved Father used to say "Baptist born ... Baptist bred ... When I die I will be Baptist dead." My earliest concepts of religion were Baptist yet I was somehow disconcerted when viewing the "photos" or depictions of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit and none of them looked like me ... yet I was taught that I was created in His image.

As a young adult I invested in an African Heritage Bible as the depictions were all persons of color. Something still did not sit right with me ...

My journey from religion to Spirituality began when my son denounced his Christian faith and converted to Muslim at age 16. I read his Q'ran and with very few changes it could have been the Bible. Truth is truth and it stands by itself.

I suppose you could say that I embrace the part of any religious doctrine that has that undeniable ring of truth to it. I am ever learning, ever growing, and deciding on a daily basis where my Spirituality is leading me. I have not denounced Christianity - I don't think I ever will - however I am no longer bound by it's doctrines exclusively. God is bigger than anything that our mere mortal minds could ever conceive.
I am more spiritual than religious. I was raised Christian ... although my father eventually became a muslim. At one time, I also studied with JWs.

I've come to the conclusion that I don't agree with organized religions [in regard to some of their traditions]. However, I do believe with all my heart & soul that there is a Creator of all things.

BUT...

Yep, there's that BUT ... when it comes to organized religion.
I am spiritual... not religious...

To me religion is supposed to be about bringing people together... it seems to do more to separate...

*My faith is better that yours*

One God, One Aim, One Destiny... We are all in this together... Like it or not...
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
To me religion is supposed to be about bringing people together... it seems to do more to separate...

*My faith is better that yours*


This is predominantly a characteristic of monotheistic Abrahamic 'religions'... It doesn't serve as accurate to describe other traditions...

The Aryans developed patriarchal systems characterized by the suppression of women and propensity for war. Also associated with such societies are materialist religion, sin and guilt, zenophobia, the tragic drama, the city-stat, individualism, and pessimism.

Southerners, on the other hand, are matriarchal. The women are free and the people are peaceful; there is a Dionysian approach to life, religious idealism, and no concept of sin. With a matriarchal society comes xenophilia, the tale as a literary form, the territorial state, social collectivism, and optimism.

-Cheikh Anta Diop
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
To me religion is supposed to be about bringing people together... it seems to do more to separate...

*My faith is better that yours*


This is predominantly a characteristic of monotheistic Abrahamic 'religions'... It doesn't serve as accurate to describe other traditions...

The Aryans developed patriarchal systems characterized by the suppression of women and propensity for war. Also associated with such societies are materialist religion, sin and guilt, zenophobia, the tragic drama, the city-stat, individualism, and pessimism.

Southerners, on the other hand, are matriarchal. The women are free and the people are peaceful; there is a Dionysian approach to life, religious idealism, and no concept of sin. With a matriarchal society comes xenophilia, the tale as a literary form, the territorial state, social collectivism, and optimism.

-Cheikh Anta Diop

OA,
I have a question about your use of the term Aryan here? Is it in the ethnocultural/linguistic sense or more the 20th century racialized notion; i.e., white/European folk?

It is also interesting that you use the term Dionysian for Southerners. I think that German "Aryans" of the 1900-40's felt that they were indeed embracing the Dionysian spirit.
I am a Christian (raised baptist). I'm not sure if my idea of religion has changed but i have seen and studied different religions from my travels and all seem pretty much the same in one way or another. I choose to worship the way I do because I feel comfortable with it.
The way I see it regardless of who you believe in or worship if he/she likes chaos they are pretty happy right now; if they are of love and respect to all etc then they are pretty disgusted right about now.


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OA,
I have a question about your use of the term Aryan here? Is it in the ethnocultural/linguistic sense or more the 20th century racialized notion; i.e., white/European folk?

It is also interesting that you use the term Dionysian for Southerners. I think that German "Aryans" of the 1900-40's felt that they were indeed embracing the Dionysian spirit.


As far as I know Diop meant 'Indo-Europeans'. German's borrowed the term 'Aryan' like most of their completely invented 'supreme mythos' from pre-existing cultures no?

The German Nazis may want to pretend they were "embracing the Dionysian spirit", but I don't think there worldview/actions quite fit the criteria... Much like the white male supremacist worldview doesn't quite fit the criteria for 'civilized' or 'peaceful', but they sure propogate that false idea.

Notice what I posted was a quote from -Cheikh Anta Diop. For further explanations as to exactly what he meant, I suggest the book The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality.
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Originally posted by kresge:
OA,
I have a question about your use of the term Aryan here? Is it in the ethnocultural/linguistic sense or more the 20th century racialized notion; i.e., white/European folk?

It is also interesting that you use the term Dionysian for Southerners. I think that German "Aryans" of the 1900-40's felt that they were indeed embracing the Dionysian spirit.


As far as i know Diop meant 'Indo-Europeans'. German's borrowed the term 'Aryan' like most of their completely invented 'supreme mythos' from pre-existing cultures no?

The German Nazis may want to pretend they were "embracing the Dionysian spirit". But I don't think there worldview/actions quite fit the criteria... Much like the White Male Supremacist worldview doesn't quite fit the criteria for 'civilized' or 'peaceful', but they sure propogate that false idea.

Notice what I posted was a quote from -Cheikh Anta Diop. For further explanations as to exactly what he meant, I suggest the book The African Origin of Civilization: Myth or Reality.

I missed the Diop cite at the bottom. Sorry.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
This is predominantly a characteristic of monotheistic Abrahamic 'religions'... It doesn't serve as accurate to describe other traditions...
Didn't mean to encompass every single religion/faith/belief system in my statement... What was I thinking? My bad...
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Originally posted by kraaal:
I am Nothing!


I recently listened to Nica Lalli discuss her book Nothing on POI.

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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
I'm a Born Again Heisenberg Heretic.


I don't know what that is, but looking at your avatar I'm guessing that you know "Star Trek and its successor Star Trek: The Next Generation, are solidly based upon humanistic principles and ideas." I really don't know why I'm not into sci-fi like I should be. Frown
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
I'm a Born Again Heisenberg Heretic.


I don't know what that is, but looking at your avatar I'm guessing that you know "Star Trek and its successor Star Trek: The Next Generation, are solidly based upon humanistic principles and ideas." I really don't know why I'm not into sci-fi like I should be. Frown



Since I'm a Heisenberg Heretic and Star Trek has Heisenberg compensaters on their transporters Star Trek must be philosophically opposed to my non-religion.

I have read lots of books on religion and the occult and parapsychology. I conclude some very strange things are going on but with so much information of questionable reliability I am stuck with a significant degree of uncertainty. Maybe I need a Heisenberg compensater but it hasn't been invented yet. lol So I suspect the system works on reincarnation and if there is any kind of God then HE/SHE/IT can't be stupid so whatever is going on must make some degree of sense I just don't have enough reliable info to figure it out.

umbra
Peace.....


I am a student of the religion of Islam as provided most recently by Messenger Elijah Muhammad.

I have accepted this path because it is demonstratively empowering and noncontradictory. The science in this system corresponds to the best of modern academic thought, and in many cases has led such thought i.e, those who study nutrition, astronomy, history, sociology, medicine, genetics, heredity, etc., have in many instances come to meet the theology of Elijah Muhammad years after he began teaching what they have just discovered. However, the Theology has withstood ever advance in science without modification.

I also believe that human activity is best rewarded, and is most successful when performed in accordance to natural laws which were codified by ancient civilizations more advanced in the way of organizing peace and prosperity than this present world order. Scientist of the past put much study into organizing prosperity and happiness. From this study and experimentation, laws were established. These laws of cooperative peace, and success have been called many names in the past which include "Islam".



Whirling Moat
I was raised as a Baptist, but I am slowly moving toward being Agnostic. I mean, why the hell would I want to be a Christian when Christianity was used to oppress my African and Native American ancestors, and people of color all over the globe?

I've gotten disgusted with Christianity over the years, especially with it being attached to the Republican party. I can't stand it how some Christians use their religion as an excuse for their homophobic and anti-pro choice ways. I am a bisexual woman who feels that every woman has the right to choose whatever she wants to do with her own body, and nobody has the right to impose their beliefs on another individual.

And lately, I wonder if a God even exists and if he even is for the Black American. It seems to me, God is on the white man's side, for all and eternity. It sounds cynical and negative, but at times, I feel that there is no God, that he just a man-made character used to manipulate the poor, the colored, and the powerless. BUT, at times, I do feel that there is a greater force that exists, but I'm not sure what to think.

Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait until my dying day comes...
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Originally posted by Stranger:
I mean, why the hell would I want to be a Christian when Christianity was used to oppress my African and Native American ancestors, and people of color all over the globe?


I recently posted a quote from actress Butterfly McQueen that kind of sums up your sentiment. Smile
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Well I was raised Baptist, but even as a child I wasn't feeling Christianity so as soon as I had the courage, I took on Islam (way of the Sunnis) headfirst and studied for some years. I felt content in a way because I gained the utmost respect for the faith. Islam truly is a beautiful religion.

But now I'm kind of at a point in my life where I'm leaning all Agnostic- Neo- Paganish. I don't know. I'm just enjoying the learning part. I like being able to ask questions and say, hey, this contradicts that, and so on so forth. I enjoy reading up on the philosophies of religious leaders in the past. Basically, being more "spiritual" than "religious", I get to be FREE. fo
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Originally posted by Stranger:
I mean, why the hell would I want to be a Christian when Christianity was used to oppress my African and Native American ancestors, and people of color all over the globe?


I recently posted a quote from actress Butterfly McQueen that kind of sums up your sentiment. Smile


Thanks. Smile
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Originally posted by Stranger:
I mean, why the hell would I want to be a Christian when Christianity was used to oppress my African and Native American ancestors, and people of color all over the globe?


I'm sure black folks who dismiss their Afrikan heritage/lineage because some afrikans sold afrikans into slavery, are well equipped to answer that question.

...Ya dig?
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Originally posted by Stranger:
I mean, why the hell would I want to be a Christian when Christianity was used to oppress my African and Native American ancestors, and people of color all over the globe?


I'm sure black folks who dismiss their Afrikan heritage/lineage because some afrikans sold afrikans into slavery, are well equipped to answer that question.

...Ya dig?


Well Christianity isn't an "American religion". It's roots are from the Middle East. Yes, there were a lot of slaves who were sold to the whites who claimed they were Christian. But as it says in the Bible, not the exact quote and going off the top of my head, "No man shall kidnap and other and mistreat them." I think God prohibits slavery in other words. Sure there were slaves, not just blacks either. But with any law, people ignore them and break them.

I wouldn't let a "few bad seeds" who "represent" a religion ruin the belief in God for you. Me personally, I am spiritual not religious. I do go to church some times. Religion is a man-made instituions and like anything man-made, it is not perfect. But I do hold a sincere belief in God due to my life experiences.
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It's roots are from the Middle East.


Actually, it's roots are in Afrika. Not western asia (more commonly known as, the middle east).
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I wouldn't let a "few bad seeds" who "represent" a religion ruin the belief in God for you.


My belief in the creative forces in the universe transcends religions. However I won't dismiss the unsanitized portion(s) of religion or history.
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I am a Nuwaubian - Seeker of facts and student of the universe. A decent human being and practitioner of one of the oldest cultures on the planet.

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