Cornel West: President Obama Doesn’t Deserve To Be Sworn In With MLK’s Bible [VIDEO]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I'm just trying to make a way out of no way, for my people" -Modejeska Monteith Simpkins

 

AFRICAN AMERICA IS AT WAR

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICA

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICANS

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

AMERICA'S RACISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICAN POLICE FORCES TO WAGE A RACE WAR AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

THE BLACK RACE IS AT WAR

FIRST WORLD WAR:  THE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 YEAR WORLD WAR ON AFRICA AND THE BLACK RACE

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And why doesn't he think MLK wouldn't be sickened by the sight of such an exceptional Black academic mind prostituting his intellect to the highest-bidding White, elite, Ivy League institution to share his vast amount of knowledge .... instead of dedicating it to the enlightenment of his OWN knowledge-thirsty people? 

 

Before calling somebody else a "sell-out" ... he needs to grab a dictionary and find a mirror to get a better understanding of what that word means.  

West said: "The righteous indignation of a Martin Luther King, Jr. becomes a moment of political calculation. And that makes my blood boil. Why? Because Martin Luther King, Jr died…he died…for the three crimes against humanity that he was wrestling with. Jim West said: Jim Crow, traumatizing, terrorizing, stigmatizing Black people. Lynching, not just ‘segregation’ as the press likes to talk about.

 

Well...my brotha that's four crimes you cited not three........that's first.  Getting old eh? Secondly: how MUCH did massa PAY you to play the role of Judea?

 

West said: "Second: Carpet bombing in Vietnam killing innocent people, especially innocent children, those are war crimes that Martin Luther King , Jr. was willing to die for. And thirdly, was poverty of all colors, he said it is a crime against humanity for the richest nation in the world to have so many of it’s precious children of all colors living in poverty and especially on the chocolate side of the nation, and on Indian reservations and Brown barrios and yellow slices and Black ghettos — we call them hoods now, but ghettos then.

 

Your point? I still waiting to see the correlation of what you are saying that pertains to today inagruration[sp].

 

West continues with his brow beating rants: "So I said to myself ain’t nothing wrong with putting your hand on the bible, even though the bible’s talking about justice, Jesus is talking about the least of these, but when you put it on Martin’s bible, I said ‘this is personal for me,’ because this is the tradition that I come out of."

 

What focking TRADITION? Azzwwipe. You're worse than massa....and since Uncle Tom is used as a hero today. I'll just call youa steppin fetchin trader!!!

 

Dr. West continues to say that President Obama’s actions as president are in direct contradiction to the principles and beliefs of Dr. King, and then presents hypothetical questions that he would ask the slain Civil Rights leader if he were alive today.

 

Helllllllllo!!!  Asswipe. Where we YOU when "your own people" were KILLING each other through gang violence in the 80s and 90s? Last I heard...you said was ABSOLUTELY nothing during those times. Now all of sudden since we have a black president, you wanna be a "hater." You and your in the closet queen Tarvis.

 

"Brother Martin Luther King, Jr., what you say about the New Jim Crow? What would say about the Prison Industrial Complex? What would you say about the invisibility of so many of our prisoners, so many of our incarcerated, especially when 62 percent of them are there for soft drugs and not one executive of a Wall Street bank gone to jail. Not one. Martin doesn’t like that. Not one wire-tapper, not one torturer under the Bush Administration — all," said West.

 

 First all you look stupid talking to a dead man.   He can't talk back.  If he could, he wouldn't said something to the gang bangers killing each other for over 20 years.  But he didn't.  So.....  And secondly what new Jim Crow? You can't just make up shit cuz you're angry azzwipe-prove what you  just said.  And as far as the prison system, Clinton did that to the revolving door criminals black and white when he signed the bill for the three strikes law. That's why there are brothers in prison TODAY on supposedly soft drugs or soft crimes....because they WOULDN'T stop breaking the law and knew if they got caught the THIRD time, it would be FOR life. They did it to THEMSELVES.  My president DID NOT implement that LAW soooooooo your azz need to get your focking facts straight!!!

 

"Then what would he say about the drones on the precious brothers and sisters in Pakistan, and Somalia, and Yemen. Those are war crimes, just like war crimes in Vietnam, Martin Luther King, Jr., what would you say?"

 

You are NUTS!!! Cuz Bush, jr started that bullshit when he was in office....it just happened to spread while Obama became president. You know the one thing I hate the most is stupid azz black cowardice academics. All talk no action. You've had your head in the books too long...it's time to pull your head oyut and see REAL LIFE. Not this rheotric bullshit. Geez.

 

West said that, while he’s happy that Mitt Romney didn’t win the presidential election, our foreign policy is still imperialistic, politicians should be ashamed of spending billions on campaigns while people are living in poverty, and that President Obama is nothing but a "Rockefeller Republican in blackface

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Blackface? Blackface? Mofo...it's your ignorant azz who is dancing for massa in blackface. You got this shit twisted. You're the one in WHITE FACE pretending to be a kneegrow. Get the fock outta here.

 

I think that it’s morally obscene and spiritually profane to spend $6 billion on an election, $2 billion on a presidential election, and not have any serious discussion—poverty, trade unions being pushed against the wall dealing with stagnating and declining wages when profits are still up and the 1 percent are doing very well, no talk about drones dropping bombs on innocent people. So we end up with such a narrow, truncated political discourse, as the major problems—ecological catastrophe, climate change, global warming. So it’s very sad. I mean, I’m glad there was not a right-wing takeover, but we end up with a Republican, a Rockefeller Republican in blackface, with Barack Obama, so that our struggle with regard to poverty intensifies.

 

What the fock are you talking about? This is an age old tradition signing a President in office. Massa created that and has been doing it WAAAAAAAAY before any of us black ever thought there would be a as you say "black face" in the oval office, You NEVER opened your mouth on any of these issues before when other white presidents were signed in office. Why now? And by the way, we NEED to talk about global warming/climate change....no other country seem to care that we are destroying the only planet we can live on. Can't live on Mars or the Moon. You know all this is....is nothing but straight out green JEALOUSY. Just cuz you and Travis weren't invited the first time around. You sho do hold grudges. Not a good look on an Uncle Tom steppin fetchin self-rightous do nothing for his people but run his mouth like diarrhea professor. Yeah I said uncle Tom-couldn't help it.  Know why.  Cuz it is offensive that you are educated black man talking out the side of your azz.  It is completely insulting that you used this historic opportunity to smear your bullshit on the first BLACK president of the United States on a day celebrating his SECOND term. It is absolutely CLEAR which side of the fence you are on Brotha West. Either you need to get laid real good or take some laxatives. Either way everybody within the sound of your obvious stupidity can tell that you are soooooooo full of it...it STINKS.  Pitiful., Like my mom used to alway say: ni**ers aint shit.  West is self-evident of that. But!

Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:

MLK made a comment about "Guided missiles and unguided men".

 

What would he say about the use of drones and innocent people being killed?

 

Xum

That question will NOT be answered on this board nor will there be any substantive look at what Dr West is saying.  There will be attempts to dismiss what he's saying by making him (West) the target of personal attacks. 

 

The irony of it all isn't lost on everybody.

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:
Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:

MLK made a comment about "Guided missiles and unguided men".

 

What would he say about the use of drones and innocent people being killed?

 

Xum

That question will NOT be answered on this board nor will there be any substantive look at what Dr West is saying.  There will be attempts to dismiss what he's saying by making him (West) the target of personal attacks. 

 

The irony of it all isn't lost on everybody.

Absolutely!!

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:
Originally Posted by Xumbrarchist:

MLK made a comment about "Guided missiles and unguided men".

 

What would he say about the use of drones and innocent people being killed?

 

Xum

That question will NOT be answered on this board nor will there be any substantive look at what Dr West is saying.  There will be attempts to dismiss what he's saying by making him (West) the target of personal attacks. 

 

The irony of it all isn't lost on everybody.

 

Well ... we don't KNOW what he would say about that .... anymore than Dr. West KNOWS what he would say about President Obama!!  Now do we??  

 

All this supposition about the words and thoughts of man who is DEAD, whom none who are trying to speak for him ever MET, and, who himself, won't be answering ANY of those questions is laughable, at best.

I'll just take a wild guess and say that Tavis and West won't attempt in the next 4 years to get an official appointment to see President Obama at the White House in the Oval Office to discuss their poverty agenda since they have already started bitchin' and moaning 3 days before the President took his second oath of office and sworn in.


Brother West has a complaint, address your disdain to the King children since they lent the Bible and permission of use to President Obama.

 

And what in the damnation is Newt Gingrich doing on stage at the assembly?


Why are they feeding Gingrich all this data to use against African Americans?

 

Has Tavis and brother West sunk that low? Are they really relegated to inviting slithering snakes?


Is this where they both have finally landed with "ass hanging all out" in the land of total obsecurity and irrelevancy?

 

Hell, while they're at it, just make it official and get a contract paying gig with Fox News as political analysts and invite "Rushy" Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter to the party next time!


Don't West and Smiley know that bottom feeders like Gingrich isn't their friend or associate, is storing information to use against Blacks at his earliest convenience and is looking at both of them as potential Republican recruits; always looking for some more "good" yet disgruntled, emotional, deshelved and "loyal to the flag" n*ggers.


I know they don't like the President but dammmmmnnn!....This is even for those two idiots, just to way out of bounds,


SMH.


Oh yea, one last thing....The President's inauguration ball is tonight.


Isn't one of the reasons why West is still pissed at Obama is because he didn't get invited to the 2008 inauguration and especially outraged when he found out that the taxi driver who drove him to the hotel he stayed in while in D.C. got tickets?


If i were the Prez, i would express mail West some tickets just to f" with him!

Oh Lord! Now Dr. West is the villain. Who will the villain be next week? 

 

Some people don't care, I guess. The truth is just a matter of inconvenience. If Dr. King were alive today, he would be the first person in Obama's face to repudiate his extra-judiciary killings, NDAA, Patriot Act, big bank/Wall Street bailouts, and lack of interest in people who are truly suffering. And what is most egregious is that Obama is a Constitutional Lawyer. I mean Bush was a real ignoramus who could cry dumb - but Obama has no excuse, as he needs no adviser in matters of Constitution law. 

 

Most people are totally partisan when "their" guy (the President never "belongs" to the people, but to the corporations and Wall street thugs) is in power, no ill word can be said against him, otherwise one will be accused of "hating" on the president. LMBAO! A constituents job is to critique any elected official that holds office. But somehow black folk conveniently forgot these important principles. Once one of their "opponents" are in "power", everything is fair game, even stupid criticisms that don't have anything to do with policy issues. This cycle repeats itself over and over. Blacks are only "revolutionaries" when the "wrong person" holds office. Gotta love that former civil rights attorney, former teacher of constitutional law, winner of a Nobel Peace Prize, warmongering, civil-rights-violating president of the United States. 

My favorite quote from Dr. King is the one I call "The MLK that Amerikkka likes to ignore." Dr. King is always viewed and treated like some super pro-America non-violent and weak kind of guy. But then I researched this quote:

 

"And don't let anybody make you think that God chose America as his divine, messianic force to be a sort of policeman of the whole world. God has a way of standing before the nations with judgment, and it seems that I can hear God saying to America, "You're too arrogant! And if you don't change your ways, I will rise up and break the backbone of your power, and I'll place it in the hands of a nation that doesn't even know my name. Be still and know that I'm God."

 

CC: whitehosue.gov 

 

Imagine if Dr. King had said that today. If he had said that God would judge Amerikkka if she didn't change her ways, he'd be treated the way Dr. Reverend Jeremiah Wright was when he said "God damn America". 

 

Hopefully POTUS will take note.


So .... what's the difference between DRONES that have killed innocent civilians, women and children .... and the (flesh and blood) American SOLDIERS that have ALSO (often intentionally) killed innocent civilians, women and children? 

 

 

(Besides the President who's sent each to do what they've done??)

Quote by Dissident: "Oh Lord! Now Dr. West is the villain. Who will the villain be next week?"


Dr. West isn't the villian.


No one considers him a villian but he's not helping his case being depicted as one because he beginning the second term of Obama's presidency the very same way he started and ended the first term.......complaining and bitchin' alongside Tavis about the President not doing absoluty nothing or anything about the African American community, poor people and poverty when they have, probably more than anyone else, the knowledge and unique ability to get direct assess to the President and strongly discuss their agendas and all their researched data findings from last year's poverty tour.


Dr. West and Tavis have to stop using the fact that simply because Obama is a Black man that they both don't have to do anything; get directly involved, up close and personal in Obama's face to steer him more in the right direction regarding African Americans.


A President has the overall and very broad responsibility and accountability of ALL Americans both here in America and everywhere around the world to  protect, support, care for and worry about and if the current President were a Hispanic, he/she would have the same issues with their versions of Hispanic "Tavis & Dr. West" critics because as President, you can't specifically focus like that without considering everybody else.


And yes the President has his facts about the African American community (and a little more because he's Black and worked as a community organizer) no different than any other ethnic community in America but he also needs Tavis and Dr. West "Black" facts...so instead of sitting/standing in the bleachers booing and walking up and down the sidelines in anger, bitchn' and moanin' to anyone who will listen about Obama's ineffectiveness and his 99% White inner circle of advisors in front of road kill buzzards like Newt Gingrich who could give a good damn about ANY Black people, go directly to the White House time and time again and make your case to the President and not the "Black" President Of The United States.


Tavis, who is the real negative cog this wheel, and West (who acts only as his prop) purposely squandered the first 4 years, mad and pissed off at everybody who doesn't agree with them specifically with their disagreements with Obama while at the same time, dissing all their once former "friends" (Sharpton, Tom Joyner, Jesse Jackson, Michael Eric Dyson etc) who decided to not play that game of being non supportive and side with both of them instead..... not get with the President and now they are going down the same ole dusty dirt road with the next 4 years and there is no excuse for that except for being no different than what Republicans and Tea Party worked so hard and relentless for with the first 4 years and wanted the President to do.....fail miserably and get voted out of office.


And if that did happen, then what would Tavis and West do about President Romney regarding African Americans, poor people and poverty?


Restart the "State of Black America" and the "Covenant" once again and first say "I told you so" and start begging back all his now abandoned friends that Tavis so quickly distanced himself from when Obama became President....when he said every year as the January SOBU assembly that one of the reason for his  "State Of Black America" agenda was to "keep an eye on the President"?


If it (SOBA & Convenant) was good enough for White Presidents to keep them in line, why wasn't it good enough for this Black President?


Nobody asked or told Tavis to give that up, He did that all on his own and he wrongly blamed (and I'll use his favorite word) "Negroes" as one of his reasons for ending it.


No one ever said that African Americans wouldn't support his continuing the State Of Black America agenda.....he made an assumption that Blacks wouldn't support him because he faced some opposition for the very first time and he wasn't strong enough to over come it.


Why can't or won't Tavis and Dr. West go see the President in the Oval Office White House and make their case in front of the man?


I just don't understand why.

Quote by ER: "So .... what's the difference between DRONES that have killed innocent civilians, women and children .... and the (flesh and blood) American SOLDIERS that have ALSO (often intentionally) killed innocent civilians, women and children?"


The difference?


Less green body bags and American flag draped coffins of dead American troops who will more than likely, return back home to their families and loved ones probably physically and/or mentally wounded/injured or maybe not harmed in any way at all...... but not dead.


That's the difference and that's why President Obama heavily uses unmanned attack drones with the drone pilot miles away in a hardened structure staring at a video screen with a video game controller in hand flying the unmanned attack drone and striking pre planned and stragetic enemy targets instead of using human jet pilots or the use of ground troops. 


Killed/wounded innocent Afghans? 


Collateral damage that's incidental to the intended target. Incidental destruction of civilian property and non combatant casualties.


Collateral damage of innocent people and property destruction is going to happen anyway regardless if unmanned drones, human jet pilots dropping bombs or ground troops are used.....probably worse if you use ground troops because the soldiers/marines are trained with a mentality that is mostly two fold:


"To kill the enemy in front of you with extreme prejudice and blow shit up".


And more time than not in the heat of battle, you trust no one that doesn't look like you and MANY times you just can't tell the difference between who's the enemy or not.


Drones?........I love em'....Let them fly and do their thing!


Less dead Americans.

Originally Posted by Cholly:

 

No one considers him a villian but he's not helping his case being depicted as one because he beginning the second term of Obama's presidency the very same way he started and ended the first term.......complaining and bitchin' alongside Tavis about the President not doing absoluty nothing or anything about the African American community, poor people and poverty when they have, probably more than anyone else, the knowledge and unique ability to get direct assess to the President and strongly discuss their agendas and all their researched data findings from last year's poverty tour.

 

 

Which leads directly back to my question for the Smiley-West supporters .... who, in fact, are soooooo supportive that they consistently do the same exact (ineffective/unproductive) thing .....

 

Why ... if the President is NOT addressing/providing solutions for "the poor" in America ... and HAS NOT (in their opinion) done so for the past four years .... and (also in their opinion) isn't GOING TO do anything to address the poverty situation ....

 

WHY IN THE HELL DON'T THEY GO TO (bug, harass, complain to, verbally dog out, criticize, shame, put on blast, publicly chastise) SOMEBODY ELSE WHO CAN AND/OR WILL??   

 

For TWO people who are supposed to be among Black America's most intelligent, educated, well-read, well-known, fiercest allies and supporters, advocates and defenders ... so knowledgeable about the subject that they travel around the country all year long telling everybody who will listen about the magnitude of this problem .... 

 

For FOUR YEARS they have continued to stagnate on this issue ... preferring instead to bang their heads against the same (he won't do nothing) brick wall .... continuing an effort that has netted NO RESULTS (in their opinion) ... for a problem SO pressing, important, devastating-to-Blackfolks, and in-need-of-IMMEDIATE-attention ....

 

Yet they won't/can't/haven't/aren't smart enough? ... to find another solution ... another way to confront/address/solve the problem in FOUR YEARS of "bringing it to the forefront" .... haven't been able to find anybody else to talk to, ask for help, bring together, find/implement solutions, raise money from those who HAVE IT, get the community involved, interact with/organize/convene local, city, and/or state other BLACK elected officials to address the problem within their own communities ....

 

IF ... and that's a big azz IF .... their goal is REALLY to try to find a way alleviate the suffering of Black people and the issue of poverty???  

 

'Cause instead ... they're staying on the SAME (go nowhere, do nothing) track, employing the SAME (go nowhere, do nothing) tactic of bitching, moaning, complaining, confabbing with the enemy ... adding enemies to the list, since they've alienated all of their previous "friends" and/or "allies", "brothers and sisters in the struggle" and everybody else who has declared their whining, cry-baby, grown-ass-men-acting-like- 5-year-olds, crusade to demonize the President at every turn as "toxic" and "ineffective" ....

 

Yet ....that's the ONLY thing they've be able to do, over and over again, for  FOUR YEARS in a row .... with, apparently, ANOTHER FOUR of the SAME THING coming .... not deviating from what has been a FAILED plan to do ANYTHING for poor, poverty-stricken Black people ... except to tell them that the President isn't helping them ... and, apparently, neither will they,  

 

If they are truly two of the best that Black America has to offer .... or is being offered to Black America .... then we are up $hit's creek ... without the boat, the paddles, any water to float on, no food, no nourishment and no toilet paper.  

 

And we aren't going anywhere ... anytime soon.  

Originally Posted by Cholly:

Quote by ER: "So .... what's the difference between DRONES that have killed innocent civilians, women and children .... and the (flesh and blood) American SOLDIERS that have ALSO (often intentionally) killed innocent civilians, women and children?"


The difference?


Less green body bags and American flag draped coffins of dead American troops who will more than likely, return back home to their families and loved ones probably physically and/or mentally wounded/injured or maybe not harmed in any way at all...... but not dead.

 

 

And when I ask myself that exact same question .... that's the exact same answer that I come up with, too, Cholly!!    And ... interestingly, I can't seem to get anybody else to give me another one!!  Which is WHY I keep asking.

 

As a non-military person ... I have to say that I have been ASTOUNDED at the number of military trials/court martials/news reports of "rogue" soldiers that .... for whatever mental-breakdown-induced reasons ... have gone out and literally just committed murder of innocent civilians during the "wars" in Iraq and Afghanistan .... just in the past couple of years. 

 

And while those incidents are traumatic ... and rare ... they are indeed the WORST possible scenarios created by the conflict of daily warfare.  

 

But the number of those incidents aren't even on the MAP of counting all of the real-life, real-time, heat-of-the-moment incidences where our soldiers are compelled to make split-second decisions that lead to (multiple) "accidental" killings of innocent civilians, women and children  that are in the crossfire, villages, wrong-place-wrong-time, situations .... that make then "casualties of war."

 

And, SADLY, in EVERY war we've ever engaged in .... these types of deaths have been the norm ... being performed by our living, breathing, human being soldiers .... that also have to carry that horror with them for the rest of their lives!!!  A circumstance that "coming home" does not erase from their hearts and minds .... just because they return "to the real world."  It is damage that has caused a multitude of homeless, mentally-ill veterans throughout our nation.

 

And I won't even talk about the number of soldiers who have themselves been killed and come home in flag-draped coffins from being put in harms way as a circumstance of war.  

 

In WAR ... people are gonna die.  The right people ... the wrong people ... they're still PEOPLE.  And, before it's over, with CONCRETE CERTAINTY ... far too many - innocent and guilty - will end up dead.  That's just an indisputable fact.

 

For me .... the LESS U.S. troops that die (in war), the better.  And, of course, the LESS innocent civilians that die, the better.  But numbers of BOTH are going to die ... in an armed conflict.  Period.

 

IMO, the use of "drones" are saving more lives than they are taking away.  And I'm pretty sure there's documented proof of that fact.  That's the bottom line.

 

And it seems to me that those opposed to the use of drones are, consequently,  more in favor of the deaths of American soldiers.  Or ... at the very least ... more in favor of putting them in harms way and the high probably of being killed/wounded/made mentally-ill.  'Cause that's what's gonna happen, regardless.  And, there's just no other way you can have it both ways. 

A Question For Both Tavis Smiley And Cornel West

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Tavis Smiley Cornel West photo

Tavis Smiley and Cornel West

 

AFRICANGLOBE – Mr. Tavis Smiley, do you intend to return the Millions of dollars that you reportedly made from herding poor Black people and Hispanics into the Wells Fargo “Ghetto Loan” scam to the people who lost their money and homes? And Dr. West, In your learned opinion, what is the appropriate course of action for your friend and associate to take, in accordance with the “prophetic tradition?”

 

A discrimination lawsuit filed by the Department of Justice, and several articles, including one seeded on Newsvine entitle, “Tavis Smiley – “Ghetto Loan” Peddler for Wells Fargo,” closely associates PBS talk show host, Tavis Smiley, with the Wells Fargo Bank scam targeting poor and middle-class Black and Hispanic borrowers. The article quotes Kelvin Boston and Keith Corbett, of the Center for Responsible Lending, as calling Tavis Smiley “the big draw” of the Wells Fargo scam. Specifically, the article states the following:

“Smiley was the keynote speaker, and the big draw, according to [Kelvin] Boston [host of “Moneywise”] and Keith Corbett, executive vice president of the Center for Responsible Lending, who attended two of the seminars. Smiley would charge up the audience — and rattle the Wells Fargo executives in attendance — by launching into a story about how he hated banks, and how they used to refuse to lend him money for his real estate projects in Compton, Calif., and elsewhere… But what appeared on the surface as a way to help Black borrowers build wealth was actually just the opposite, according to a little-noticed explanation of the “Wealth Building” seminar strategy, contained in a lawsuit recently filed by Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan.

 

“Wells’ plan for the seminars all along was to target Black borrowers for higher-cost subprime mortgages, not for wealth-building, the suit charged. And the seminars were a part of the bank’s overall illegal and discriminatory practice of steering Black and Hispanic borrowers into riskier and more expensive loans, the suit said.”

 

Subsequent to the law suit, Richard Prince reported in The Washington Independent that Tavis Smiley issued a statement indicating that he would sever all ties with Wells Fargo until charges that the company steered minorities into higher-rate loans are resolved. The article went on to say,

“Wells Fargo sponsored Smiley’s radio show on Public Radio International, and underwrote the annual C-Span-televised “State of the Black Union” conference that Smiley organizes. Smiley’s foundation also distributed Wells Fargo materials to young people at foundation events, he told Journal-isms.

 

‘“I cut everything off with Wells Fargo,’ Smiley declared. He said the move cost ‘a lot of money’; he said he did not know how much.”

On July 12, 2012 Charlie Savage reported in the New York Times that Wells Fargo Bank agreed to pay $175 million to settle the discrimination suit which, according to the Department of Justice, targeted over 30,000 Black and Hispanic borrowers for subprime loans with a higher interest rate than for similarly situated White borrowers between 2004 and 2009.

 

What makes it particularly ironic that Tavis Smiley would be associated with this scheme to target poor and middle-class minorities is that Smiley is the primary promoter of what he calls “The Poverty Tour,” along with his friend and associate, former Princeton professor, Cornel West. During the tour, on their joint radio talk show, and on numerous media appearances, Smiley and West have gained a reputation for being President Obama’s harshest critics, indicating that the president is not sufficiently focused, and “accountable,” to the nation’s poor and minority community.

 

In a statement by Wells Fargo put out after the bank agreed to a settlement of $175 Million, they said that while not admitting to any wrong doing, the Wells Fargo agreed to a settlement of the law suit because the bank felt that it was the right thing to do.

 

CNNMONEY quoted Mike Held, president of Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, as saying, “Wells Fargo is settling this matter because we believe it is in the best interest of our team members, customers, communities and investors to avoid a long and costly legal fight, and to instead devote our resources to continuing to contribute to the country’s housing recovery.”

 

The settlement includes Wells Fargo paying the Black and Hispanic victims of discrimination $125 million in compensation, and an additional $50 million in down-payment assistance to borrowers in the affected communities.

So the question that remains is, if Wells Fargo Bank feels that paying compensating to the poor and middle-class victims of this scam is the right thing to do, shouldn’t Tavis Smiley, the most strident advocate of “accountability” and fervent crusader for the interest of the poor, feel obliged to do the same?

 

We’d like to put that question to Smiley’s friend and associate, Dr. Cornel West. What do you think your good friend and associate should do, Dr. West? What does the “prophetic tradition” dictate is the proper course of action?

We’ll be anxiously awaiting your response.

 

By; Eric L. Wattree

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So Dr. West should be made to answer a question about a sponsorship relationship Tavis had with Wells Fargo, who are the ones (not Tavis) who made loans (as all the banks did) based on fraudulent terms?

 

That sadly confirms the quality of writing that is acceptable on AfricaWeb.

 

And as is the trend, many are tying desperately to not deal directly with the issues raised by Dr West.

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

So Dr. West should be made to answer a question about a sponsorship relationship Tavis had with Wells Fargo, who are the ones (not Tavis) who made loans (as all the banks did) based on fraudulent terms?

 

That sadly confirms the quality of writing that is acceptable on AfricaWeb.

 

And as is the trend, many are tying desperately to not deal directly with the issues raised by Dr West.

Indeed. None of that has anything to do with Dr. West is saying here. Oh but, clearly what he's saying is irrelevant.

I posted this because I thought it was an interesting article, not only because of the author's somehow trying to pin Wellsfargo's unethical and racist lending practices on Tavis Smiley (for M.C.'ing an event, seminars, etc., of all things), but, also how there appears to be an African American machine behind the destruction of the the reputation of both Smiley and West.  

 

How was Smiley to know that Wellsfargo was going to engage in such practices ahead of time, before the rest of the America, the Justice Department, even the borrowers knew?  How was Smiley to know ahead of time that so many African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos were going to accept enormous interest rates and mortgages with balloon payments tacked onto their contracts?  How was Smiley to know ahead of time that Wellsfargo was going to sell jim-crow mortgages to African Americans and Hispanics in this day and age, and while the market was actually booming at the time?

 

How can West be figured into a demand for Smiley to be psychic regarding Wellsfargo's ulterior motives in lending to African Americans and Hispanics?

 

It seems to me that Tavis Smiley's name, reputation and convictions were being used by Wellsfargo to relax or eliminate any skepticism that may have been raised by African Americans/Hispanics in the first place.  

 

Regardless to how anyone feels about Smiley (and West), the fault lies with Wellsfargo, and Wellsfargo alone, because what Wellsfargo did was deliberately target Americans with the least knowledge of the lending industry/interest rates and the most desperate to purchase a piece of the "American dream".  

 

Wellsfargo, has had a history of unscrupulous or questionable lending practices, dating back to long before this recent market crisis, and long before Smiley had ever arrived to a position of national/African American influence.

 

The African American and Latino/Hispanic focus should be on Wellsfargo for their deliberate racist lending scheme against African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos' pursuit of the the 'American dream', i.e., using disingenuous practices of only and specifically targeting African Americans and Hispanics/Latinos to deliberately rob them of their piece of the 'American dream' and with what foreclosure does to one's credit history, any future hopes of ever owning property in America.

  Yeah but!  If Tavis was detailed and adamant about knit-picking essential information the WAY he does my President....he would have exposed the hidden agenda of Wells Fargo in the interim,  So...he doesn't GET a pass on that from me,    If he used his research skills and critical thinking tools to investigate those he is supporting, the WAY he does my President in his criticism of him,......his NAME wouldn't be highlighted in this unethical lending scam right now cuz he would have FOUND out earlier on what he was getting himself into.    Like I always say whatEVER goes around eventually will come back and BITE you in the azz....as in Tavis' case.  And it's MORE to come.  Trust me.

 

Now...I'm not talking about or directing my comments regarding where the fault lies...I'm talking specifically about having the ability to recognize when you have been bamboolzed.    And if Tavis was SMART [like he likes to project to the public with his fast talking] he would have DONE his homework regarding Wells Fargo intentions and STAYED in the loop with them every step of the way to ensure that the people who are getting involved [by LOOKING to him for guidance] in this financial venture based soley on his recommendation would have been spared any type of  "red lining" bank scams.  But!  Tavis trusted Wells Fargo executives. Oooooh yeah he did.   He trused massa's kids.  He trusted that Wells Fargo was gonna do the RIGHT thing[when they had no history of doing the right thing in the black/hispanic community].  Tavis has given these bottom feeders MORE trust and consideration than he has given my President-who from the very beginning of his presidency ran a transparent office!  So I'm GLAD this happened to Tavis-exposing his vulnerabilities-making him more HUMAN than the ficitional arrogant-know-it-all- can't-nothing-hide-from-him azzwipe.  Cuz he and his partner in crime actually in the real world have done nothing but act like super ni&&er zeroes fighting the cause [against my president]for the helpless kneegrow population...who NEVER really ASKED for their help in the first place.    And....who's next on the choppin' board?  That would be....hum.  Lemme see.  Brotha West!  And I can't wait.     Cuz where I stand....those two are the REAL spooks sitting by the white house door. Cuz it wasn't right what they've doing to my President for over 4 years...shit is NOW backfiring on their azzes left and right.    So that's what Tavis gets.  Trader!   But!  Just.  Sayin.

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

I posted this because I thought it was an interesting article, not only because of the author's somehow trying to pin Wellsfargo's unethical and racist lending practices on Tavis Smiley (for M.C.'ing an event, seminars, etc., of all things), but, also how there appears to be an African American machine behind the destruction of the the reputation of both Smiley and West.  

 

 

You know .... while I would agree that trying to put blame on Tavis for knowingly trying to steer Black people into subprime loans is a helluva STRETCH ....  ... I don't see it as any type of 'conspiracy' to ruin him ... at least not in that way.

 

IMO ... anything Tavis did in the way of promoting Wells Fargo he did (strictly) for the money!!    Wells Fargo was paying his bills (underwriting his radio show) ... and I've no doubt that's all the "encouragement" he needed to be one of their most enthusiastic supporters!!  He does have millions ... and for good reason!

 

And there's no need to put forth a "plan" to ruin his reputation within the African American community.  He did THAT all by himself!!  And did a bang-up job of it, too!!  He successfully alienated himself - albeit, after, perhaps, what I thought was some overzealous "hate" being thrown his way!!  But, instead of him putting on his "big boy boxers" and sucking it up ... he took them off and decided to slam them on the floor and throw a tantrum on them.  

 

What this article sounds like to me is the SAME type of bitter, pissed off, "sour grapes" against him by a (probably younger) reporter .... who spews off at the mouth with ridiculous, unfounded and misinformed accusations .... the same way he is doing to President Obama .... and as is the attitude of many of today's younger generation!!  

 

It's kinda the norm today to get pissed off at somebody ... and just say the first thing that sounds good against them .... whether or not there's any proof or rationality, or knowledge about the subject being discussed!!    While it definitely makes for a good headline to suggest Tavis give back millions of dollars to ... whoever this person thinks is supposed to get it!! .... it's irrational to me to surmise that Tavis 'was in on it' as a scam .... or that he would have been smart enough to recognize it as one .... or that he would even look past the "I'm making millions of dollars here" aspect of it to suspect that he may have been being used!!  

 

To me ...trying to blame Tavis for what Wells Fargo (intentionally) did to Black people and home ownership is about as ludicrous as blaming President Obama for attacking Libya!!  While both participated in a questionable activity .... neither one was the 'ringleader" for making it happen!!  

 

But that didn't stop people from believing whatever they wanted to believe.  

To me ...trying to blame Tavis for what Wells Fargo (intentionally) did to Black people and home ownership is about as ludicrous as blaming President Obama for attacking Libya!!  While both participated in a questionable activity .... neither one was the 'ringleader" for making it happen!! 

False equivalence like a mofo!

 

I am not aware, nor have I seen presented ANYWHERE where Tavis Smiley has ANY authority to make any decision regarding  the corporation known as Wells Fargo.

 

Pres. Obama has the authority to order or resend orders in matters involving the US military & CIA.

 

Obama issued orders regarding Libya.....what where they?

 

Show and prove where Tavis even has the ability to instruct Wells Fargo to do anything

 

LOL I'll give you props ER for staying true to your tactics. 

 

You admit the bogus nature of a charge than quickly try to slide an analogy using Obama to both validate the silliness of the prior claim while  "clearing" Obama from what people accuse him of.

 

Of course this falls apart when you examine President Obama's own words and actions.......

 

which brings us right back to Dr West's remarks which have YET to be directly addressed in this thread (except by Dissident).

 

 

 

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