Who Should Pay for Reparations? Black Americans... Obviously

By Mike Green

A New Visions Commentary paper published May 2001 by The National Center
for Public Policy Research * 501 Capitol Ct., N.E., Washington, DC 20002, 202/543-4110, Fax 202-543-5975, E-Mail Project21@nationalcenter.org, Web http://www.nationalcenter.org.
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Who should pay for reparations? Black Americans... obviously.

Black Americans have pondered a debt due for slavery since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Few would deny a debt is owed for the centuries of institutionalized slave labor, beatings, rapes and murders spanning generations, but the details pose questions.

Clearly, there are businesses and families that profitted and cannot deny or defend their involvement. But how much is owed, by whom and who is owed? I believe I have an answer that may not appease everyone, but it's rational and won't divide our nation or raise taxes.

America is paying for slavery. Some think slavery was abolished without white assistance. But no all-black insurgence would have ended slavery without the help of concerned whites. For example, Harriet Tubman could not have freed hundreds of slaves through the Underground Railroad without the selfless sacrifice of sympathetic whites.

Dr. Martin Luther King, in his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, cited the efforts of whites and blacks working together. Unequivocally, he stated, "We cannot walk alone." Black leaders who live off Dr. King's name readily divide the races, however, encouraging hatred and pouring salt into the healing wounds of slavery. They also neglect to point out that the doors of opportunity are open.

Already, more than 40% of black families have a middle-class standard of living. In nearly every industry, blacks are not only represented, but excel. This is pretty good for being just 13% of the population, and with half of us still under the age of 18. Oprah Winfrey and Bill Cosby are among America's most beloved celebrities. Colin Powell received the highest poll rating of any potential presidential candidates a few years ago. When we seek out the most successful blacks, we find many were born when blacks had intact families... albeit very poor ones.

There are still challenges to overcome, but it's obvious racism is not a successful method of preventing blacks from succeeding. However, internal turmoil, liberal politics and an abandonment of morals has done to black America what hundreds of years of slavery failed to do... unravel the black family and turn us against one another.

There was a "Great Sellout" of our race in 1965, just after passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. As a result, many have succumbed to dependency on - and switched their misguided loyalties to -another slavemaster... Uncle Sam.

According to government statistics, 650,000 black babies were born in 1965. But only 50,000 of them were born out of wedlock. That means, despite the residual effects of slavery and poverty that comes from starting with nothing, blacks only had an eight percent illegitimacy rate. Despite centuries of slavery, black families survived.

That same year, over 400 new government programs were introduced into poverty-stricken communities. Liberal politicians offered poor mothers cash for having children. A monthly government paycheck went to any mother that applied... if there was no working male at home. By 1975, the black illegitimacy rate skyrocketed to an epidemic 70%. Three out of every four black babies are still born out of wedlock. The government slavemaster succeeded in a single decade what centuries of oppression failed to do... destroy the black family.

How? Many black ministers, doctors and political leaders played along. They sold us out. Just as some African tribal leaders sold blacks to whites with little regard for their safety or future, many modern black leaders sold us to the liberals for political gain.

With black leaders telling us the government will give us something for nothing, we bought into a false dream that evolved into a socialist nightmare. Realistically, our problems must instead be overcome through personal success. They didn't tell us that.

The road out of the ghetto is paved with the blood of slaves who hoped the future would have the very opportunities that exist today for every black boy and girl lucky enough to be born in this country... because of slavery. Today, any child who wants to learn can be taught to read and write and solve mathematic and scientific equations.

This is where we find the debt that must be paid. It is a debt of gratitude. It is a debt I owe to my ancestors who lived their tortured lives as slaves.

Who owes the debt of reparations?

We, as black Americans, owe reparations for slavery. We must succeed so that our ancestors will not have died in vain. Their presence in this country has given us an opportunity unique in comparison to any other black community on the planet. There is no excuse for the things many of us have done to squander what those before us died to provide.

Illegitimacy and illiteracy are now the worst enemies of black America. There is no excuse for black leaders to ignore these problems while focusing on the irrelevant and mundane. Those of us who abandoned our children should be ashamed that we sentenced them to the hardships our ancestors hoped to eliminate with their sweat and blood.

There is nothing in the lives of black men and women in America today that can rival the hardships endured by generations of our families who never knew freedom or the opportunity to pursue their dreams.

It is time to repay the debt we owe to our ancestors. It is time for us to make a concerted effort to ensure our children are well-educated, law-abiding, God-fearing contributors to the advancement of mankind.

We can succeed. The evidence is all around us. We should celebrate the good news and attend to the duties of getting off the wrong path we took in 1965. Our children will be better off for it. Their success is a fair and just payment to our ancestors... and the benefit we reap is our own reward.


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(Mike Green is a associate of Project 21 and a columnist for The Village News in Fallbrook, California. He can be reached at mgreen1170@aol.com. A longer version of this commentary can be found at http://www.fallbrook.org at "Mike's Perspective.")

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We, as black Americans, owe reparations for slavery.---Mike Green

What a warped interpretation to put into the discussion.

It is a betrayal of the best interests of African America.

He will be rewarded well, and probably already is.

And...it is willful.

A boat-load of people, Project 21, who do 'Charlie's Job'.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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We can succeed.

I swear the next m@therf@cka to say some simple, curiously, ridiculously unfounded BS like this is going to get it. Stuff like that is fit for the most brutal hazing imaginable.

Someone must have forgot to tell him that was NEVER in question. Obviously, he has/had some self-esteem issues or some other type of projection issues.

Man, that BS... upset
@#$% Spit Fire... Kick Butt... Smack.Slam... Knock..Beat @#$%!!!!
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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We can succeed.

I swear the next m@therf@cka to say some simple, curiously, ridiculously unfounded BS like this is going to get it. Stuff like that is fit for the most brutal hazing imaginable.

Someone must have forgot to tell him that was NEVER in question. Obviously, he has/had some self-esteem issues or some other type of projection issues.

Man, that BS... upset
@#$% Spit Fire... Kick Butt... Smack.Slam... Knock..Beat @#$%!!!!


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WE CAN SUCCED...

Now Nmaginate, what is so:" simple, curiously,(?) ridiculously unfounded ( although the statistics clearly speak for themself)about a encourageing satement as "WE CAN SUCCED"...
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Now Nmaginate, what is so:" simple, curiously,(?) ridiculously unfounded ( although the statistics clearly speak for themself)about a encourageing satement as "WE CAN SUCCED"...
I already answered you question.

RHETORIC ain't shit, Opey.

I said:
Someone must have forgot to tell him that was NEVER in question.

Who doubted or rather who tried to cast doubt on whether WE CAN SUCCEED or not?

There is too much of a history of unshakeable faith, courage and BELIEF in the abilities of Black people by our ancestors for anyone to ever, unthinking make the statement that "WE CAN SUCCEED" because, by definition, it means there was some reason to believe that we couldn't.

Now, you tell me why you would have to be "encouraged" (insulted is more like it) by a statement that ASSUMED and assigned inferiority to you?

That's what WE CAN SUCCEED says. That's why it's simple, curiously, ridiculously unfounded.

And what part of this DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?
Obviously, he has/had some self-esteem issues

Who but someone with self-esteem issues needs encouragement in the form of "WE CAN SUCCEED! [Do you believe it?]"

So, OPEY... What is so hard with actually READING and COMPREHENDING? I believe I was very clear as to what I was objecting to. I know I was clear as to what I was calling UNFOUNDED.

So what statistics were you referring to?
Statistics that were ACTUALLY RELEVANT to what I actually took issue with?

Now, what really is/was your malfunction?
Why would you ever be so stupid as to think I believe or take the position you wanted to ascribe to me as if I doubted whether "WE CAN SUCCEED."

Allow me to give you a little "encouragement", Jesse Jackson style:
WE(you) CAN SUCCEED... WHEN WE READ (for comprehension)sck

So, yes!! I was suggesting a Drop Squad or a Jump On or Jump In for anyone who dares act like our abilities, our capacity, our will and our drive to "succeed" are anything that was ever in doubt.

No stats needed. A cursory glance (and understanding) of our history in this country proves that... AS IF THAT'S EVEN NECESSARY. Again, no stats necessary.

No case needs to be made about whether WE CAN SUCCEED or not. Again, it hints of some serious self-esteem problems, some serious internalized racism and feelings of inferiority for someone to have to have statistics or some type of case that shows "WE CAN SUCCEED."

If you need "proof" then that means you really have some level of doubt or lack of confidence or small amount of faith and belief.

Encouragement of that manner is for kids. It's good to hear good things but for an adult, it's an insult to their intelligence.

And the irony is really thick. Contrasting the things some people who love to employ this RHETORIC have to say In Deference to White Supremacy and Racism... Yeah, the irony is thick.
Nmaginite, How is it, a person who posses incredible intelligence (you) can see only a microcosim of "hint" in the article. I disagree that it doubted any ones ability to succeed. it was uplifting and encouraging. I do not know if it was actually factual to fullest extent, but I feel very confident most of it was factual. I am very sceptical of reports that say" It's all going well". I know better.

And I do belive that as adults, we always need a word of encouragement. And of praise for a job well done.

I will agree that there is a element of "white supremecy" out there. But you may be surprised to find it is for the upper 1% of the elitist. Who technically hate all peoples without $100 million liquid. I think the pendelum has swung to "Money supremacy", anyone with enough can join their club.

By the way, your articulation was magnificent.
I think the pendelum has swung to "Money supremacy", anyone with enough can join their club.---Opey

Clearly, you are not paying attention.

Or...like many, you see and understand but have neither the will nor desire to object.

Specifically, I am about 'white supremacy'.

It is still being practiced in full sight; in full sight of you and all the rest of America and the world.

The law still is written to openly be applied to you differently, and you, with eyes wide open, say it isn't true.

To avoid mystery, and namely, the Voting Rights Act of 1962, as amended.

At least offer the courtesy of not insulting everyone's intelligence.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Nmaginite, How is it, a person who posses incredible intelligence (you) can see only a microcosim of "hint" in the article. I disagree that it doubted any ones ability to succeed.
You really do have problems READING and COMPREHENDING.

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And I do belive that as adults, we always need a word of encouragement. And of praise for a job well done.
Like the proverbial pat on the head some would say the author here is trying, auditioning so hard for, huh? Roll Eyes

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I will agree that there is a element of "white supremecy" out there. But you may be surprised to find it is for the upper 1% of the elitist.
When you know what the hell you're talking about then tell me what I "may be surprised to find."

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Who technically hate all peoples without $100 million liquid.
...(*ahem*) (clearing throat, major phelm from having to repeat or say something so obligatory to where I need to take a second and make sure it comes out loud and clear)...
"What Does HATE Have To Do With It?"

GET A FUCKIN' CLUE. Get a fuckin' concept. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

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I am very sceptical of reports that say" It's all going well". I know better.
What was the point of those stats you referred to? What was the 1% white supremacy report meant to communicate?

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I do not know if it was actually factual to fullest extent, but I feel very confident most of it was factual.
Roll Eyes

And what you feel "very confident about" is suppose to mean WHAT to me?

There is no factual value to this opinion piece, a political HACK piece, trying its idiotic best to "encourage" people to act, think and respond contrary to common sense. That and to buy into to some... well, the authors "warped interpretation" and other assorted ridiculous utterances.

At best, there might be one half of a hint of a microscopic particle that's about anything other than the authors futile attempt to recruit Company with his Misery.

His little pep-talk at the end of his piece, after he went to the ends he did, employing the means he did... Well, I could see why he and you need that pep-talk. With silly shit like that, it's got to be pretty hard to believe it's going to sell. So yes! He made sure he pulled out all the rhetoric stops begging others to accompany him in his self-delusional, self-emasculating torment.

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By the way, your articulation was magnificent.
Why, thank you... Oh, Silly One. I guess me fan club gets bigger and bigger by the day... with nary a one, especially you, having a single thing to say - other than some silly shit, as anyone can magnificiently articulate.

Oh and BTW, since you already know that I do scan for Hints of Bullshit, why expose yourself the way you do? Clearly communicating that your whole purpose here, directing your comments to me, is full of BS?

Now, go ahead, ask yourself what do you think, why do you think what you have to say here or what you think or feel "very confident about" matters at all to me? What you think is suppose to mean WHAT to me? WHY?

I mean, think about the tact you've taken here.
Everything you've said is premised on me valuing or trusting what you think and what you say. You know, at face value.

Dude? Didn't you get the hint? That stuff doesn't fly with me. (*ahem*) Was that magnificiently done? Magnificiently stated? Copping a you: I think so! Smile

LOL bump
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At least offer the courtesy of not insulting everyone's intelligence.
More like have enough self-respect and self-esteem as to not discredit his/their own intelligence by thinking dumb shit like that will fly. At least make a more compelling case, if there is one... (Oops! There isn't one).

It's really sad and I sorta feel sorry for people who have problems saying things beyond the little juvenile simplistic, half-a-first-thought ridiculous ideas they think would or should resonate.

Here's a short list of this Child's Themes (with him thinking he's talking to unsuspecting children):

#1] Invoke MLK. MLK = Good.

If MLK said it, they'll buy it -- without respect to context or anything in their being screaming "BULLSHIT!!"... The authors pedestrian and pre-school level attempt to slide in the Pork Bill statement "We Cannot Walk Alone" (an attempt to try to attach a seemingly "honest" statement) with his idiotic and typical and false, anti-MLK accusation just shows how pathetic he knows his own views and the accusation is. So, yes. By all means get MLK to help you out. Lots of help needed. Dump trucks of sugar needed to sweetened that heavily creamed assertion.

For someone who tries hard to establish his eventual hack-thesis (after he got finished politically, ideologically hacking on the B-CON themes, BULLSHIT/[Black] CONservative Talking Point themes) -- "our problems must be overcome through personal success" -- he sure didn't like his Coffee BLACK then:

We didn't do it alone. {Tubman]{MLK} We cannot walk alone. = "Whites Needed. Whites Helped." Now, curiously, when it comes to actual REPARATIONS, actual payback, this Negro wants us to Walk Alone. Nice to know he wasn't trying to play off and live off MLK. According to OPEY, "most of that is factual."

Factually, logically flawed, I'm sure he meant to say. And that's why would be all day going through that ridiculous tripe. I mean, we are treated to the Reverse Sell-Out theme (because Black people love to talk people who sell them out), the We've Let Them Down theme, the Racism Isn't Stoppin' Us theme (so please consider that WHITE America [has paid] Reparations... please!?!?)... And that doesn't even cover all that Liberal this and the Socialist that and all sorts of other BULLSHIT - esp. the Be Grateful [and gracious To WHITE FOLK] Because You're LUCKY To Be BORN IN AMERICA theme and the WHITE PEOPLE Like Us Now theme (see Colin Powell).

It doesn't even cover one self-contradicting set of themes: Somehow, mysteriously, even in the midst of Black leaders not telling us "we can overcome" Roll Eyes... All this "Black Success" happened under their watch:
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Already, more than 40% of black families have a middle-class standard of living. In nearly every industry, blacks are not only represented, but excel. This is pretty good for being just 13% of the population, and with half of us still under the age of 18. Oprah Winfrey and Bill Cosby are among America's most beloved celebrities. Colin Powell received the highest poll rating of any potential presidential candidates a few years ago.
Hmmm... ALREADY those much maligned Black Leaders have stumbled their way to us have that kind of success... under their watch. Oh? You want to attribute that to something else? To White help?

Well, with Colin Powell as a witness, he, for one, seemed to approve of the so-called "something for nothing" thingy called Affirmative Action.

Hmmm... How does that "something for nothing" thing work when America, apparently, at the same time has been paying for Reparations? What? Reparations = "nothing"??
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Nmaginate and James Wesley Chester, It was not my intent to insult you. If somehow I did, I apologise.

Nmaginate I will disagree with you on your this, Your quote:
Why, thank you... Oh, Silly One. I guess me fan club gets bigger and bigger by the day... with nary a one, especially you, having a single thing to say - other than some silly shit, as anyone can magnificiently articulate.

Not all people are going to articulate, nor see any issue, whether written or physicall has others do. You posses critical thinking and intelligence that is probably off the charts.

So do not expect all people to measure up to your plateau.
Perhaps you should consider using your gifts in a more hospitable and non condescending manner.

I have read many of your post. You have a prepensity to "hammer" and berate people who disagree with you. Or who are not as "enlightened" as you. This is equivelant to being born with a silver spoon in your hand, and condemming others for not.

You can educate the masses and make tremendous accomplishments,without berating people, Nmaginate.
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You have a prepensity to "hammer" and berate people who disagree with you.
And your assessment of "the people who disagree" with me, the ones I "hammer."

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You posses critical thinking and intelligence that is probably off the charts.

So do not expect all people to measure up to your plateau.
I appreciate the compliment, though I don't believe I possess anything, intelligence or otherwise, that others do not. And I think your estimation of my expectations (which are, first and foremost, for people to be honest when presenting their views) is off.

To reiterate, I don't believe I possess anything in the way of critical thinking or knowledge that others don't possess.

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You can educate the masses... without berating people, Nmaginate.
Been down this road... Not trying to be nobody's teacher but anyone who wants to learn must take the posture of a student. That require an attitude or approach change by someone other than me. When it comes time to share information or addressing a sincere question without non-student like baggage attached, I share liberally.

I think Kevin says it best when he notes how he treats people accordingly. One, I'm not that arrogant and, quite frankly, know I don't know that much to dare act like I'm suppose to "educate" grown people especilly when they're trying to assert grown-ness.

When I want information from someone more knowledgeable than me, I sure don't approach them in anything but a respectful manner.
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When I want information from someone more knowledgeable than me, I sure don't approach them in anything but a respectful manner.



*And that my brother....is the key to becoming a TRULY educated individual...some do not understand that when someone shares information with them, THEY benefit...instead they act like THEY validate people when THEY choose to agree with them.....and that will never fly....
In all the post topics, the persons calling themself nmaginate, and the Chester person do a good cop/bad cop routine, and with the present political climate, it makes me wonder if they and this site are a C.I.A. front to stir the pot of confusion and idiocy. I know AfricanAmerican.com is a C.I.A. sponsored site, and I know from my prior experiences with persons mentioned, they serve to do no more than fuel an already blazing inferno of discord and dissension, denying the linear chronology of fact facts, and historical facts, and laws relative to same.

Before getting to the topic of reperations, it behooves all to know not every one writing here is American born, and it's a well, and long documented fact Afrimericans are the least educated on matters outside the realm of their individual day to day existence, and what is gleaned from gossip, innuendo, the street corner, T.V., and from pseudo-intellctuals who speak to sound good, but in the long run have said nothing of catalystic value.
The Question of who pays reperations has stagnated and will bond to defeatt because the scope of reperation per Afrimericans is limited to what Afrimericans see as owed, but the powers that be, the layer upon layer of government agencies, combined with the all the fortune 500 and fortune 1000 corporations see the matter on a global scale, because Africans were stolen for hundreds of years, killed for hundreds of years, whole tribes, and 100's of tribal histories were wiped out, obliterated, and all non-African, non-Asian countries are guilty of participating in that holocaustic action, the very real killing of hundreds of millions Africans. Afterwhich, these same countries went and partitioned Africa, each taking what they wanted, thus when it is added up, the cost, dollar wise, is astronomical, and to pay a tenth of it would give African, and people of African descent from the last thousand years an instant financial equality to financially challenge the starnglehold already locked in place, and they are not going to allow that, or surrender to that; Not only because of the monetary cost, butalso because of the moral cost, the moral cost of their own moral conviction the degenerate nature of their own moral integrity. They have to keep the facade that everything they've done, and still do is good.

The only viable means for Afrimericans to get reperations is one, become a nation within a nation, and to petition the U.S. Government for sovereignity as was done with the American Indian tribes.

I'm sure the persons mentioned earlier will argue against what I've written with innuendo and conjecture, and quotes they find from reputable white source, even it has a Black face, Afrimericans(some) are in academic slavery repeating the same misinformation given by whites, and while I am not a name celebrity, and don't want to be, if I can talk to white house staff and have this and other dialogs, I must have credence, and more than a fair idea of what I say, so before the attackers go on the attack. Think.
I know from my prior experiences with persons mentioned,---Afrimerican

Please reference on this board.

I don't recall any exchange we have had although I posted questions to you which you chose to not answer.

I know of no other contact we could have had. If we have, please tell me that as well.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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AfricanAmerican.com is a C.I.A. sponsored site...
ek No attacks... Just a whole bunch of laughin'!!!!

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

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The only viable means for Afrimericans to get reperations is one, become a nation within a nation, and to petition the U.S. Government for sovereignity as was done with the American Indian tribes.
Maybe you ought to take some time and research this Secret Agent Man's postings on that very type of subject - approach.

  • If you know me the idea of SOVEREIGNTY is crucial to my conception of Reparations.

  • Black people were effectively dispossessed of their(our) land too... Native Americans via Reservations, etc. have [at least] a modicum of sovereignty... [African Americans] haven't even been treated with [that] much respect or in the same respect as Native Americans...

  • Why are such ideas so foreign, marginalized or considered so extreme or unthinkable? Why isn't that idea tied to our conception of what Reparations, "Civil" Rights, etc. are?

    And, going way back...
  • Time To Elect A BLACK PRESIDENT!
    A thread which, among other things, contains the link:


    But, go ahead, get your Hand Action on...
  • I don't want someone to agree with me. I want a PERSON who will challenge my position. In this way, we will arrive at TRUTH together.
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    We can train ourselves to take each other's ideas, beliefs, and understandings seriously. The rule is to stay focused, calm and pay attention. Communicate and discuss, rather than yell and proclaim.

    If anxiety, about needing to be right, becomes the primary concern, one becomes entrenched in one's own position, Which may not be the truth. If one gets defensive and responds impetuously, that one has lost the battle with oneself. If one has the need to be right, this one is imposing one's own ideas.

    Now, the upper1% is those, behind the scene, who start wars, inflate prices, and condition the masses to hate each other, themself, and their culture. They use Television brodcasting as their main weapon. This is the primaryy tool that divides and leads the masses.

    Some say it is a group called the Illuminati. A very wealthy and extremly powerful group of the upper 1%(financially, and corporately) who are pushing the buttons.

    Henry Kissinger is believed to be among the Illuminati. Note his quote from his book" Kiss the Boys Goodbye" " "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy."
    - Henry Kissinger, quoted in "Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW's in Vietnam"
    Now, you may not want, nor feel you need my help. But why is it you cannot get things moving collectivly? Nor can I.

    Hey there are many very succesful black people. With some serious cash flow. Yes? Then why can you not get a seperate Nation for blacks? If that is what you desire. As to the Native peoples, before it was stolen and called "America" , most live in "refugee camps" called Reservations. They are terribly poor, dirty, and have no economy. Less those who over the past 15 years have struck gold with gambling. Is this what you want for black peoples? I doubt it.

    The "Illuminati" does.

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-...GGLG:en&q=Illuminati

    Reparations? Yes. By the Government. ( the people, you and I). how much, to whom, and what will it accomplish?

    Also, I admit I am "white". So? Does that mean I am a racist? When I walk, I see, I hear, and I feel. Exactly like a black person. Do I know what it is like to be black? No. Can I engage and try to offer constructive critisism and dialoge? Yes, if permitted. When I see a person of "color", I see a person who desires the same things I do. Fair play, and all the same perks of life. Guess were not so different afterall. In this regard. My skin color is a covering. Unique. As is all peoples. Unique. Beautiful, as God created it. It is what lies under the skin that makes the person. It is the heart that defiles, or beautifies the person.

    Matt.: 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (KJV)
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    I know AfricanAmerican.com is a C.I.A. sponsored site



    Are we talking about that site or this site?
    This site is actually africanamerica.org
    OPEY? Who are you talking to? And what are you talking about?

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    As to the Native peoples, before it was stolen and called "America" , most live in "refugee camps" called Reservations. They are terribly poor, dirty, and have no economy. Less those who over the past 15 years have struck gold with gambling. Is this what you want for black peoples? I doubt it.
    Save the RHETORIC... and the leading/loaded, irresponsible rhetorical questions.

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    We can train ourselves to take each other's ideas, beliefs, and understandings seriously. The rule is to stay focused, calm and pay attention. Communicate and discuss, rather than yell and proclaim.
    Your rhetorical question is proof that you neither understood (or even tried) or come even close to doing anything but PROCLAIMING: Proclaiming that "You don't want that... (because I, OPEY, don't think you do - i.e. I haven't heard a word said, much less attempted to understand)."

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    Also, I admit I am "white". So? Does that mean I am a racist?
    Leave your baggage at home and just deal with topics forthrightly.
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    Do I know what it is like to be black? No. Can I engage and try to offer constructive critisism and dialoge?
    Neither one has been solicited. The latter, to some degree is what a forum is about. But you are in no position to "offer constructive criticism" unless you feel you're somehow more knowledgeable or more experienced... I would be interested in how you arrive at that conclusion.

    You can offer your opinion but only an objective analysis of the subject and your contributions to it can determine if what you've presented or "offered" is in any way "constructive."

    Leave that baggage at home too.
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    When I see a person of "color", I see a person who desires the same things I do.
    sleep Please... Leave that baggage at home as well. ENGAGE the topic and skip all that silly shit.

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    Guess were not so different afterall.
    I must ask again...
    Who in the hell are you talking to? And what in the hell are you talking about?

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    It is what lies under the skin that makes the person. It is the heart that defiles, or beautifies the person.
    sleep

    Please "offer" more than cliches'... Calmy proclaiming IRRELEVANT, non-issue SHIT as you do... I'm having a hard time fathoming you "offering" any constructive criticism. That would require much more depth. To be frank, those cliches' are Intellectual Insults because of your rank, underlying assumptions... unprovoked as they are.
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    Your rhetorical question is proof that you neither understood (or even tried) or come even close to doing anything but PROCLAIMING: Proclaiming that "You don't want that... (because I, OPEY, don't think you do - i.e. I haven't heard a word said, much less attempted to understand)."


    Man! I don't see how some out here don't get tired of being bitch slapped by you Big Grin

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