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We hear often repeated that the 3/5ths of a man designation of slaves by the congress in the 19th century represented this and represented that, and it is often repeated to support various claims of racism, etc.

Does anyone know the facts behind the 3/5ths of a man legistlation, such as why it was enacted at all? I'm asking this to see the level of knowledge and sophistication we share amongst ourselves when it comes to historical reality and our history.
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I'm asking this to see the level of knowledge and sophistication we share amongst ourselves when it comes to historical reality and our history.

Save the bull...

And Who In the HELL made you the KNOWLEDGE and SOPHISTICATION Magistrate?

If you want some answer research it. It was an political/economic compromise between the North and South, IMO, that the South definitely pushed for to boost their representation in Congress, etc.

So answer me... how that negates whatever un-named charges of racism you're talking about?

"The problem many African-Americans have with these [BLACK] "CONservatives" is that they appear to air the problems of the black community to the entire nation without offering any Real Solutions."
..crowding into this complicated and divisive discussion [at the Constitutional Convention] over representation was the North-South division over the method by which slaves were to be counted for purposes of taxation and representation. On July 12 Oliver Ellsworth proposed that representation for the lower house be based on the number of free persons and three-fifths of "all other persons," a euphemism for slaves. In the following week the members finally compromised, agreeing that direct taxation be according to representation and that the representation of the lower house be based on the white inhabitants and three-fifths of the "other people." With this compromise and with the growing realization that such compromise was necessary to avoid a complete breakdown of the convention, the members then approved Senate equality. Roger Sherman had remarked that it was the wish of the delegates "that some general government should be established." With the crisis over representation now settled, it began to look again as if this wish might be fulfilled.

uh uh, no re-guessing now! One 'guess' per person mag. You can wait, obviously.

Those are alot of text-bookish words mag. I give you one more guess, if you can you explain how that text bookish paragraph answers my question in english? I'm looking for reasons, motivations, players and politics involved, you know, REAL answers that people can relate to.

Need some clues? NO clues! You claimed you so smart and knowledgeable about black history, yet that does not appear at all to be the case, now does it, while you run away looking up what you should already be educated about

Now mag, step aside, you've offered 'your' answer, so stick with it. Let other folks contribute for a change. Your done. This is black folks discussing black issues.

[This message was edited by sergeant on October 21, 2003 at 11:48 AM.]
The Constitution


Clause 3: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several
States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective
Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons,
including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not
taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. (See Note 2) The actual Enumeration shall be
made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States,
and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law
direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty
Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such
enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse
three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one,
Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one,
Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia
Some famous 'last words' from our all-knowing guest, the maginate:

"You that hardly anything you have said in debate with me that I have not deconstructed."

"I demonstrate that I have the FACTS on my side"

"you are not prepared or intelligent enough to answer questions from others"

Guess ole mag suddenly went on vacation in this topic! What makes someone so arrogant that they'd actually be as fake as he is? Damn near every criticism and insult he calls others is more closely descriptive of HIMSELF! Honestly, I've never seen anything like this, or at least to this degree. This is truly comical in a way.

So, when you gonna get round to 'desconstructing' this one mag? Wheres all those 'facts' you keep telling us all you have somewhere? Are you intelligent enough to know when its time to constrain yourself or admit you don't know something?? (I hope not, this too much fun)

So, you been calling me out since I first came here to the site. Well, this is what I look like. Got plenty more, if you need it.
Come on brother sunnubian, wake up. Noone asked anyone to 'recite' or 'paste' the actual legistlation. That doesn't even hint at the "story behind" it, which is what the topic's question is posing. I'm looking for comprehension here, not pasting ability, dig?? Yall be hanging with magazine too much, all this copying and pasting is for children. I want you to speak from positions of knowledge and your own hearts. If you don't know, then you don't know! No crime in that.

OK? So dont' copy anything, especially the bill itself, that doesn't tell us anything. I want to know the "story behind" the legistlation, again, the players, the reasons, the motivations, and so on.
So, when you gonna get round to 'desconstructing' this one mag? Wheres all those 'facts' you keep telling us all you have somewhere?


YOU have not made an argument here for me to deconstruct...

And I never claimed to have "ALL" the facts... I said I can support any argument I put forth. And that's why you've been searching not only for a topic but a way - aka weasel method - were only you (meaning no one else sees it that way) can claim victory.

And you would call it a Debate Victory when you haven't debate anything...

I know... I know... Sgt. "You Hate WATER!!"fro
The 3/5 man rule was a compromise between the north and the south. Because a state's population determined their congressional representation, the south wanted to count slaves toward their population. Anti-slavery advocates took issue, because these men and women were considered property and had no rights. They correctly argued that a slave should count as zero. They compromised and for some reason settled on the 3/5 number. So the south could count 60% of the slave population and add it to the free total, which enabled them to get extra seats in the House that they didn't deserve. Sergeant is trying to criticize those of us who decry the 3/5 number as being ignorant. If so, what Sarge fails to realize is that the real story, as detailed above, is even worse: they actually got to count us toward added representation for themselves, knowing full well that we would be denied any of the benefits of that representation. Sarge, you just learned about this last week, didn't you?
Well, you just did it back to me, now didn't you Jim. While most politics is about 'power', thats nowhere near an answer.

Little bit surprised at you Jim. Of course, I'm a little surprised at everyone right now. I'll offer my answer in time, but there are so many self-proclaimed 'experts' on black culture, issues, and history around here, I think we should allow a little more time for more to weigh in.
Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
Sergeant!!! There you are. Asking questions AGAIN???? Asking, but not answering. That's what you did with me, anyway.

No answer is good enough. But you have nothing to offer. Stand and judge. Don't participate.

Mr. Chester,

That's what he's done since he's been here. He and Mountain are from the same School of DeVOID-of-THOUGHT!
    Never learned to SSWwwimmmmm...emmm...em...emmmm,

    Can't catch the rhythm of the stroke...oakkk!

    Why should I hold my breath..ethh,

    Feelin' that I might CHOKE!!

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[Sgt.} I Hate Water!!

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