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I've got a few questions for those who believe in the existence of "the Devil".

*According to your beliefs, Who is the devil?
*Who do you believe is more powerful; him or God; and why doesn't the more powerful of the two destroy the other?
*Who do you believe weilds more influence over human kind; God or the Devil?

When answering the questions, please provide the particular brand of theism (christian, muslim, etc.) that you subscribe to in order to clairify your prespective on this matter.

Kevin
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I've got a few questions for those who believe in the existence of "the Devil".
Okay

*According to your beliefs, Who is the devil?
That's subjective right now...LOL

*Who do you believe is more powerful; him or God; and why doesn't the more powerful of the two destroy the other?

God, of course. The remaining days for evil are limited; that's why it cuts up so much now.

*Who do you believe weilds more influence over human kind; God or the Devil?

The Devil, of course. It's easier to be a follower than a leader...and people like drama.

When answering the questions, please provide the particular brand of theism (christian, muslim, etc.) that you subscribe to in order to clairify your prespective on this matter.

Christian

"Wisdom Is A Woman Answering!"
ShayaButer answers the questions.

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*According to your beliefs, Who is the devil?
That's subjective right now...LOL

Well, who do YOU think the devil is?

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*Who do you believe is more powerful; him or God; and why doesn't the more powerful of the two destroy the other?

God, of course. The remaining days for evil are limited; that's why it cuts up so much now.

Why doesn’t the more powerful (God) destroy, or at least confine the devil?

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*Who do you believe weilds more influence over human kind; God or the Devil?

The Devil, of course. It's easier to be a follower than a leader...and people like drama.

Do you believe those influened by the devil are followers and those influenced by God are leaders? Why?

Kevin
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Originally posted by kevin1122:
Well, who do YOU think the devil is?


At the time I wrote that, I was sarcastically thinking "some posters here in AA"....ha!

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Originally posted by kevin1122: Why doesn’t the more powerful (God) destroy, or at least confine the devil?


You'd really have to ask God that....but I will submit that the devil is limited - and the devil will be destroyed at some point in the future. I believe God has not destroyed the devil as of yet because everything that should happen, has not yet happened. Also, isn't a serious "itch" when you know a punishment is coming, but you don't know when. I think God is trying to make the devil sweat....literally. LOL

Devil: "I've been roaming through the earth messing with your kids! Ha!"

God: "That's alright though...you STILL ain't gettin back in here and you know you gon burn foreva!"

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Originally posted by kevin1122: Do you believe those influened by the devil are followers and those influenced by God are leaders? Why?


No, I think it is a fair mix of both being influenced by both. Both leaders and followers can be influenced by the devil, just as they can be influenced by God.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Answering!"
What I have always found very curious is that Judaism (of course from which Christianity arose) does not have either the concept of the devil or of hell. That fact leads me to believe that perhaps those notions may have been fabricated by early Christian power brokers who saw it as convenient tool over the masses.
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Originally posted by MBM:
What I have always found very curious is that Judaism (of course from which Christianity arose) does not have either the concept of the devil or of hell. That fact leads me to believe that perhaps those notions may have been fabricated by early Christian power brokers who saw it as convenient tool over the masses.

Religions are not static, nor are they governed by essentially by the rational, as well as not being black and white. They are subject to a myriad of influences and change, both subtle and dramatic, over time.

Within Judaism, there is the presence of ha-satan, the accuser or the adversary. He becomes equated with the Devil in Christianity, but his function in the Hebrew tradition is that of a prosecuting attorney in a court of law. He is not the incarnation or personification of evil.

As for Hell, there is Sheol in the Hebrew Bible which is more of a place of holding and waiting. Again, in later Jewish writing, there arises the concept of Gehenna or Gehenom, associated with the burning garbage dump outside Jerusalem. However, it also arises in Jewish religious thought and serves as something akin to purgatory in Xianity. It is not a place of eternal torment, but a place of purification after which one returns to God.

Nascent Christianity would draw from this tradition as well as Greek and other Near Eastern traditions. There may or may not have been some specific agendas in their adoption processes, but I would not necessarily assume that they were all intentionally about control.
Okay ... now that I've actually read the thread, these are my answers! Smile

QUOTE]Originally posted by kevin1122:
*According to your beliefs, Who is the devil?[/quote]

The devil is the evil that exists in the world.

(And don't bother asking me who or what is *evil* 'cause I'm not even going to go to that trivial place with you! Eek)

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*Who do you believe is more powerful; him or God; and why doesn't the more powerful of the two destroy the other?


I don't think one is more powerful than the other. They are different, opposites, if you will ... and each has an equal amount of what they do.

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*Who do you believe weilds more influence over human kind; God or the Devil?


I think there are more people under the influence of God. However, the Devil's influence over humans is probably stronger.


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When answering the questions, please provide the particular brand of theism (christian, muslim, etc.) that you subscribe to in order to clairify your prespective on this matter.


I don't have one of those.
EbonyRose answers my questions but I'm a little confused:

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"Originally posted by kevin1122:
*According to your beliefs, Who is the devil?

The devil is the evil that exists in the world.

(And don't bother asking me who or what is *evil* 'cause I'm not even going to go to that trivial place with you!

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*Who do you believe is more powerful; him or God; and why doesn't the more powerful of the two destroy the other?


I don't think one is more powerful than the other. They are different, opposites, if you will ... and each has an equal amount of what they do.

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*Who do you believe weilds more influence over human kind; God or the Devil?


I think there are more people under the influence of God. However, the Devil's influence over humans is probably stronger.


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When answering the questions, please provide the particular brand of theism (christian, muslim, etc.) that you subscribe to in order to clairify your prespective on this matter.


I don't have one of those."

Your last answer appears to contridict all of your previous ones.
Theism is defined as a belief in God. If you don't have a particular brand of theism; in otherwords, if you don't believe in God, why would you claim God and the Devil are opposites and that there are more people under God's influence than the devils? Please explain

Kevin
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Originally posted by kevin1122:

Your last answer appears to contridict all of your previous ones.
Theism is defined as a belief in God. If you don't have a particular brand of theism; in otherwords, if you don't believe in God, why would you claim God and the Devil are opposites and that there are more people under God's influence than the devils? Please explain

Kevin


There's no contradiction. Smile

You asked 'what particular *brand* of theism I *subscribe* to'. And there isn't one.

Having a *brand* or *subcribing to* one is separate and apart from a belief in God - my belief in God. Because the *brand* as you put it, simply describes a religious order (i.e., Christian, Muslim, etc.). And I don't *subscribe* to any. I don't think any of them got it right!

So ... essentially, it's just me and God. Smile And no *brand* that I *subscribe to*. Therefore, my answer to your question is without conflict.
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Originally posted by kevin1122:
I've got a few questions for those who believe in the existence of "the Devil".

*According to your beliefs, Who is the devil?


whomever functions immorally without guilt..

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*Who do you believe is more powerful; him or God; and why doesn't the more powerful of the two destroy the other?


the more powerful will be reflected in the characteristic that is manifested...

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*Who do you believe weilds more influence over human kind; God or the Devil?


Depends upon what time period and culture.. in America? da debil...

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When answering the questions, please provide the particular brand of theism (christian, muslim, etc.) that you subscribe to in order to clairify your prespective on this matter.

Kevin


Islam..

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