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Well these White rappers are only here because Blacks made them stars. If it wasn't for Dr. Dre and 50cent making Eminem "cool", he wouldn't be here winning all these awards from other more deserving stars in the first place. Sometimes I think I'm the only want that finds Eminem's songs' childish and stupid. Listen to his lastest "lose yourself". Roll Eyes. He was nominated for a grammy for it!
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Originally posted by Black Truth:
I hate white rappers. I hate the fact we cant have anything with out crackas adding thier thievery hands. Stick to river dancing smelling like boiled hot dogs. I hate white wiggers.



That negative energy is seriously messing up my mental balance. I guess SOMEBODY'S never heard of constructive criticism, jeez.
Hmmm....

I think whites belong in hip-hop if they enjoy and respect it. I mean, hip-hop is part of urban culture. I only look at it in racial terms because black folks tend to be representative of (and heavily represented in) cities.

However, I don't know if anyone can prove that there were no white people there in Brooklyn or the Bronx when hip-hop was born.

Just random thoughts....
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Originally posted by Rashid:
However, I don't know if anyone can prove that there were no white people there in Brooklyn or the Bronx when hip-hop was born.

Just random thoughts....


I don't know if you know anything about NYC, but the sections of brkln and the bronx that you are talking about are sections where a white person would not be caught DEAD - and that in the present. If you are talking 25-30 years ago... nuff said.
Quick Question: In the earliest days of hip hop, wasn't there a bit of a Latino presence? I remember when I got to Syracuse University in 1980 I had a Puerto Rican roommate from Long Island who really introduced me to rap. He knew how to break dance, was on top of all the MC's etc. and generally seemed to be at the core of the culture - as it was then. He certainly knew as much about rap as my black friends from the NYC. BTW - anybody who wasn't from NYC didn't have a clue about rap back then - pre-Sugar Hill Gang.
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Originally posted by isistah:
I'm kind of glad to see them coming on the scene. Now maybe rap will evolve into something new. That's what usually happens.


...and usually when that happens the true essence becomes void, the 'blackness' in the music becomes relegated. Suddenly it's the typical white mans version of what he thinks hip hop should or should not be.

Look at jazz for a moment. If you ever watched a jazz documentary (PBS, History Channel etc.) you would be under the impression the only people that ever done anything in jazz is white folks. They attempt to convey to the viewer an image of whites as the ones who put the wheels in motion - taking much credit for the evolution of jazz then claiming it to be an "American" art form (which we all know is synonymous for white) when jazz is truly an Afrikan art form modernized by African Americans. But somehow this crucial fact is always a convenient oversight. This is no accident my friend. Whites now have a grip on the jazz industry. They have controlling interest over the originators while Black jazz musicians now must hustle to get a contract to make a living. But Rod Stewart steps on the scene and is given one (which his CD isn't really jazz).

Conscious minded Black folk see the theft and corruption of Black culture everyday. First whites rename it to take the racial idenity out of it for obvious reasons, then they steal it. Example: race music became rock and roll when whites appointed Elvis as the "king". Hard core hip hop was forced to carry warning labels which limited their record sales and T.V. appearances. But now the cursing is being done by a blonde haired blue eyed pale white boy who's being pushed by MTV, VH1 and that crusty old Dick Clark to name a few.

Take the so-called boy bands. When listening to white DJ's you would think this phenom is something new. Artist such as Frankie Lymon & the Teenages and dozens of other teenage 50's groups who set the trend are disregarded. The Jackson 5, New Edition and Boyz to Men were around making music before these current white boy bands were alive, yet todays bands have been descirbed as "new" and "refreshing".

Every little thing Black people do get's plagerized by white America, then Blacks ultimately get written out of their own achievements. Like the comedian Paul Mooney said: "everybody want's to be n**** but nobody want's to be a n****."

Are we going to continue to walk in a deep sleep or will we finally wake up from this madness and debunk their nonsense?
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Originally posted by ocatchings:
Not trying to start anything but, what is your opinion of white "soul" singers?


catch


White and soul? Those two things do not even go together. Blacks seem to give more leway to whites and overreact about them having soul. I.E. Justin Timberfake. Whites have no soul, they cannot dance and if they can stay on beat for more than 5 seconds blacks get all excited about it. Fuck them. Like I said. I dont like white people profiting off blacks. They have done it enough its our turn to take from them crackas.
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Originally posted by MBM:
Quick Question: In the earliest days of hip hop, wasn't there a bit of a Latino presence? ...


There was a presence in those who loved HH when it first came out, but no presence from the artists.

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From Keynote:
If you ever watched a jazz documentary (PBS, History Channel etc.) you would be under the impression the only people that ever done anything in jazz is white folks. They attempt to convey to the viewer an image of whites as the ones who put the wheels in motion - taking much credit for the evolution of jazz then claiming it to be an "American" art form (which we all know is synonymous for white)...


You mean to tell me that Kenny G. didn't invent Jazz???!!! brotongue
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Originally posted by MBM:
Quick Question: In the earliest days of hip hop, wasn't there a bit of a Latino presence?


Yes...and largely Afro-Latino...that's why people didn't really take notice. 2 of the members in the Furious Five(of Melle Mell and the Furious Five) are "Puerto-Rican"...have fun figuring out who...Much like the Jamaican "Sound system" is the basis for the "DJ" (DJ Kool Herc)...The only difference is where the slave ship landed...In the African melting pot of the NY projects...everyone contributed.
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Originally posted by KEYNOTE:
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Originally posted by isistah:
I'm kind of glad to see them coming on the scene. Now maybe rap will evolve into something new. That's what usually happens.


...and usually when that happens the true essence becomes void, the 'blackness' in the music becomes relegated. Suddenly it's the typical white mans version of what he thinks hip hop should or should not be.

Look at jazz for a moment. If you ever watched a jazz documentary (PBS, History Channel etc.) you would be under the impression the only people that ever done anything in jazz is white folks. They attempt to convey to the viewer an image of whites as the ones who put the wheels in motion - taking much credit for the evolution of jazz then claiming it to be an "American" art form (which we all know is synonymous for white) when jazz is truly an Afrikan art form modernized by African Americans. But somehow this crucial fact is always a convenient oversight. This is no accident my friend. Whites now have a grip on the jazz industry. They have controlling interest over the originators while Black jazz musicians now must hustle to get a contract to make a living. But Rod Stewart steps on the scene and is given one (which his CD isn't really jazz).

Conscious minded Black folk see the theft and corruption of Black culture everyday. First whites rename it to take the racial idenity out of it for obvious reasons, then they steal it. Example: race music became rock and roll when whites appointed Elvis as the "king". Hard core hip hop was forced to carry warning labels which limited their record sales and T.V. appearances. But now the cursing is being done by a blonde haired blue eyed pale white boy who's being pushed by MTV, VH1 and that crusty old Dick Clark to name a few.

Take the so-called boy bands. When listening to white DJ's you would think this phenom is something new. Artist such as Frankie Lymon & the Teenages and dozens of other teenage 50's groups who set the trend are disregarded. The Jackson 5, New Edition and Boyz to Men were around making music before these current white boy bands were alive, yet todays bands have been descirbed as "new" and "refreshing".

Every little thing Black people do get's plagerized by white America, then Blacks ultimately get written out of their own achievements. Like the comedian Paul Mooney said: "everybody want's to be n**** but nobody want's to be a n****."

Are we going to continue to walk in a deep sleep or will we finally wake up from this madness and debunk their nonsense?



Thanx for answering the questions on Jazz I posted in Arts & Entertainment. True, we have lost Jazz to white folx, but then we didn't fight to hang on to it either. Neither did we care to hang on to The Blues. Maybe Rap will be different since so many fans seem to want it just the way it is. Any artist who seeks to innovate is a sellout; any artist other than Black is an interloper.
I would like to see it evolve or something new arise because, try as I might, I just don't like most Rap or the attitudes surrounding it. It's just not the positive force that it could be.
Everybody belongs in music.

But I know what you mean.

The problem is we don't own the media which names it and claims it.

We are only now being to control the companies that issue the music.

Production. Publishing.

Don't forget. We 'do' 'white' music.

We do pop.

We do opera.

We do country and western.

We do polkas.

What it is.

There is an unfairness. They do try to steal our music, and claim they started/invented it.

Goodman's music didn't 'fly' until he hired Fletcher Henderson.

Frank Sinatra was done when Eckstine put down his trumpet and started singing.

That is until he Basie's Band with Q's arrangements to put him back on the scene.

Go back and take a listen. Sinatra was absolutely incidental on the tunes.

I would have sounded good.

In fact,....

PEACE

Jim Chester

PEACE

Jim Chester
Ima comment on white rap (with eminem being the exception) It's awful. Sometimes I listen too hard and I think they are mocking us.

I wouldn't ban them though. Just because that's a perfect opportunity to roast em. Tell me why we quick to get on eachother but we let eminem just role under the radar. If Pac was alive, eminems career would've been embarrisingly shattered.

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