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(and unfortunately some black ones too) but still, folk ought to be ashamed of they dayum, dishonest, lying azzes. raising up little liars but then have the nerve to complain about george bush lying to get america into the war. so-called christians straight lying to their children like it's some admirable thing to do.

http://www.ldnews.com/fastsearchresults/ci_3334327
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Grinchy remark sends kids home in tears
By RORY SCHULER
Staff Writer
Lebanon Daily News

LICKDALE "” Jamey Schaeffer stretched her mouth open wide, showing off a pair of twin gaps in her smile. With a mouthful of fingers, she said she has no interest in two front teeth for Christmas.

Instead, she'd like a Barbie doll from Santa Claus "” and Santa Claus only.

But a substitute music teacher almost came between the 6-year-old and a Christmas Eve spent dancing cheek to cheek with sugar plums.

Theresa Farrisi stood in for Schaeffer's regular music teacher one day last week. One of her assignments was to read Clement C. Moore's famous poem, "A Visit from Saint Nicholas" to a first-grade class at Lickdale Elementary School.

"The poem has great literary value, but it goes against my conscience to teach something which I know to be false to children, who are impressionable," said Farrisi, 43, of Myerstown. "It's a story. I taught it as a story. There's no real person called Santa Claus living at the North Pole."

Farrisi doesn't believe in Santa Claus, and she doesn't think anyone else should, either. She made her feelings clear to the classroom full of 6- and 7-year-olds, some of whom went home crying.

Schaeffer got off the school bus later that day, dragging her backpack in the mud, tears in her angry little eyes.

"She yelled at me, ˜Why did you lie?'" recalled Jamey's mother, Elizabeth. "˜Why didn't you tell me Santa Claus died?'"

Elizabeth Schaeffer said she was appalled by Farrisi's bluntness.

"I had to call the school," said Schaeffer, a part-time custodial employee for the school district who is on temporary leave after complications from her last child's birth. "I had to do something."

Meanwhile, Farrisi, who is well versed on the history of "Santa Claus" "” the traditional and literary figure "” clarified her comments.

"I did not tell the students Santa Claus was dead," she explained. "I said there was a man named Nickolas of Myrna who died in 343 A.D., upon whom the Santa Claus myth (is based)."

On Monday night, Jamey started to recite Moore's famous poem while sitting on a couch next to a freshly cut tree, trimmed in tinsel and topped with a golden star: "'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house. No creatures stirred."

She paused, looked up, and said that's when the teacher interjected, just a few lines before the verse that announces the arrival of "a miniature sleigh and eight tiny reindeer."

"The teacher stopped reading and told us no one comes down the chimney," Jamey said, curling into a ball on the couch, bracing her chin on her knees, her voice shrinking away like melting ice cream. "She said our parents buy the presents, not Santa."

Sharing in the belief of Santa Claus is a very special event in the Schaeffer home. Jamey's the second youngest of five children. The three oldest have already grown up and left the family nest. Only Jamey and her 18-month-old sister, Amanda, remain.

Last year, Elizabeth Schaeffer recalled, Santa left a trail of boot prints in charred ashes from his feet-first landing in the fireplace. And this year, the family will continue their tradition of leaving him a plate of cookies, a tall glass of milk and a ripe, shaved carrot for Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer.

The Schaeffer family wasn't the only one taken aback by Farrisi's approach to Santa.

Tim and Beth Rittle said they found their 7-year-old daughter, Holly, in tears in the back seat of their car after they picked her up from school that day.

"All of a sudden, Holly just started crying," Beth Rittle said. "She said she had a substitute in music class, and she told the class there's no such thing as Santa Claus."

Schaeffer and Rittle both called Northern Lebanon School District Superintendent Don L. Bell.

Since the issue involves personnel, Bell said Monday, there is little he can say about the incident, adding that it has not been determined if any disciplinary action is warranted against Farrisi.

Bell said he was aware that several parents have expressed concerns about the incident.

He also noted that the handling of Santa Claus isn't covered in the school code.

We do not have a Santa Claus policy," he said. "It's unfortunate, but I really can't say anything about it."

Farrisi said she considered approaching the school's administration with her concerns about how to handle Santa Claus in class. Instead, she said, she decided to add a disclaimer to her lesson.

"Those same children are going to know someday that what their parents taught them is false," she ex-plained. "There is no Santa Claus."

Meanwhile, Elizabeth Schaeffer was carefully thinking about her next step. She decided to make a photocopy of editor Francis P. Church's famous response to a little girl, who wrote to The New York Sun many decades ago, asking the same question Schaeffer's daughter struggled with last week.

"I mailed (Farrisi) a copy of ˜Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus,'" she said, giggling with satisfaction. "I wish I could be there when she opens it."

As for Jamey, in an attempt to reaffirm her spot on Santa's nice list, she drew up a new letter in bright red magic marker, a message destined for the Santa she refuses to abandon.

"Dear Santa ... How is the North Pole?" she said, reading her letter loudly and proudly. "How is Mrs. Claus? You are Great. From Jamey."
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The substitute teacher is an asshole.

So if she was an antheist would it be alright to tell the children that there is no heaven and that God does not exist?

It is one thing not to believe in something it is quite another when it is young children that you are dealing with.

If she did not want to read the book fine don't read the book find something else to do but don't be mucking about with the emotions of 6 and 7 year old children who will soon enough, like my daughter, determine that there is no Santa Claus all on their own.

Farrisi is clearly a killjoy- Merry Christmas oh I forgot Jesus was born in January and the 25th is a pagan ritual date.
I hope that at the next P.T.A. meeting there will be parents/aquaintances there that can stand up in front of all the other teachers and parents and tell her most secret of all secrets without regard for her feelings or the fact that they do not have the right to dictate to others what they should are should not believe about her.

She knew what she was doing, I'm sure she researched ahead of time whether or not the school has any policy regarding this or any legal recourse that could be levied against her for taking the liberty to tell other people's children what they should believe or not believe about an otherwise, religous holiday; maybe that's the angle for the parents, this teacher mixed church and state when she voiced her personal opinion about Santa Clause, considering that he actually was a real bishop/priest, etc., that that really did, out of his religious convictions give to the poor, children and maidens.
What an asshole. It's a poem, lady. It doesn't have to reflect your own personal beliefs about what is true or relevant. And it's a music class, not English Lit 501. What's WRONG with people? If you can't grasp the concept of "age-appropriate" commentary, you need to get the Hell out of the classroom.

I had a good laugh over the her objection to shutting her fat trap because "children are impressionable." Meanwhile, she sends them all home crying and shattered. Some people just need to live on an island somewhere far from children or anyone else who has even the slightest sense of humor or joy or imagination.

Don't ever be the one to take the stars from a child's eyes. Let them have their fantasies. Let them dream and imagine. Geez.
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
The substitute teacher is an asshole.

So if she was an antheist would it be alright to tell the children that there is no heaven and that God does not exist?

It is one thing not to believe in something it is quite another when it is young children that you are dealing with.

If she did not want to read the book fine don't read the book find something else to do but don't be mucking about with the emotions of 6 and 7 year old children who will soon enough, like my daughter, determine that there is no Santa Claus all on their own.

Farrisi is clearly a killjoy- Merry Christmas oh I forgot Jesus was born in January and the 25th is a pagan ritual date.


Blacksanction, You took the words right outta my mouth. Good job. Again.
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
The substitute teacher is an asshole.


IMO, so are the parents in this scenario.

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
So if she was an antheist would it be alright to tell the children that there is no heaven and that God does not exist?


no, the examples are not exactly comparable. in telling the children that their parents buy their presents, that no one comes down the chimney, etc. - these are truths and facts that can be corroborated. they are not anyone's personal views, beliefs or opinions, we all know they are truth.

an atheist's position is strictly their own belief and opinion and nothing they can substantiate with fact. there's a difference.

it sounds like you some of you are more upset with the person who told the truth than you are the people who told the lies to their own children and try to sugarcoat it.

do you all advocate the telling of lies when it's cute, traditional (for white folks), and what a large number of people are doing? how do you justify that and then expect to be considered as honorable, trustworthy people?

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
If she did not want to read the book fine don't read the book find something else to do but don't be mucking about with the emotions of 6 and 7 year old children who will soon enough, like my daughter, determine that there is no Santa Claus all on their own.


i'm still deliberating on how much i think she may have been out of line. if she was out of line, i think it is fair to say the parents were also - as all parents who deliberately lie to their children are out of line, morally speaking. they have the right to do what they want to do but it's still surprising to see black folk all upset and entangled in this spider web and caught up in this white-folks instituted and inspired madness..

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
Farrisi is clearly a killjoy- Merry Christmas oh I forgot Jesus was born in January and the 25th is a pagan ritual date.


actually, farrisi is more like a "saint" in this instance and the biblical story indicates that jesus was born in the early fall and yes, the 25th of december was known for the celebration of the winter solstice in pagan tradition. ;-)
1milehi

When the tale of Santa Claus to children is harmless fun that eventually fades to reality as most children realize via their older siblings or on their own that Santa is not real but most still play along and join in on the FUN that's right FUN. Most children do not have their FUN ruined by some stranger who's sole task was to read a book for one bloody day. Nor undermine the trust in their parents

It is the parent's right to parent not hers.

Clearly she cannot be trusted with little children.

She is not a saint. She'a an aint.

1milehi
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as all parents who deliberately lie to their children are out of line, morally speaking. they have the right to do what they want to do but it's still surprising to see black folk all upset and entangled in this spider web and caught up in this white-folks instituted and inspired madness..
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1milehi

Morally speaking.
Well then I'm a bad parent as I have lied to children about Santa Claus. I'm a confused blackman, me bad house nigga for allowing my children to have fun and engage in a fantasy.

Well done, I is exposed, have merry whatever you choose to believe in, you have done a great service in exposing the truth. tfro

See you at Easter lol
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Originally posted by 1milehi:
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
The substitute teacher is an asshole.


IMO, so are the parents in this scenario.

quote:
Originally posted by Blacksanction:
So if she was an antheist would it be alright to tell the children that there is no heaven and that God does not exist?


no, the examples are not exactly comparable. in telling the children that their parents buy their presents, that no one comes down the chimney, etc. - these are truths and facts that can be corroborated. they are not anyone's personal views, beliefs or opinions, we all know they are truth.

an atheist's position is strictly their own belief and opinion and nothing they can substantiate with fact. there's a difference.

it sounds like you some of you are more upset with the person who told the truth than you are the people who told the lies to their own children and try to sugarcoat it.

do you all advocate the telling of lies when it's cute, traditional (for white folks), and what a large number of people are doing? how do you justify that and then expect to be considered as honorable, trustworthy people?

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
If she did not want to read the book fine don't read the book find something else to do but don't be mucking about with the emotions of 6 and 7 year old children who will soon enough, like my daughter, determine that there is no Santa Claus all on their own.


i'm still deliberating on how much i think she may have been out of line. if she was out of line, i think it is fair to say the parents were also - as all parents who deliberately lie to their children are out of line, morally speaking. they have the right to do what they want to do but it's still surprising to see black folk all upset and entangled in this spider web and caught up in this white-folks instituted and inspired madness..

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
Farrisi is clearly a killjoy- Merry Christmas oh I forgot Jesus was born in January and the 25th is a pagan ritual date.


actually, farrisi is more like a "saint" in this instance and the biblical story indicates that jesus was born in the early fall and yes, the 25th of december was known for the celebration of the winter solstice in pagan tradition. ;-)


1milehi,
You took the words right out of me! tfro

And actually, about the atheist thing, it might sound odd, but even many atheists have a God-concept (although they don't refer to it as "God"). Many atheists believe that the laws of the natural world and universe are immutable and that humans are simply a form of natural substances. The universe is viewed as absolute and immutable. That is a type of God-concept. I've met atheists (one of them is one of my best friends) who believes in an afterlife.
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IMO, so are the parents in this scenario.


I have issues with letting children believe in Santa. And I will probably not foster the belief in MY child. But the real issue here is not about dealing with truth. I'm all for telling the truth but lets be realistic and also LIGHTEN THE F*CK UP.

The teacher was not oblivious to the fact that if the children still believed in Santa then the PARENTS had decided to allow them to continue to believe until other wise.

It was NOT her place to tell the truth to the children. True, they may find out from other children who are being mean and hateful – but we expect these thing from children because THEY don't know any better – SHE did.
bang nono
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
See you at Easter lol


no, you won't see me at easter either, or any of the other paganistic holidays that white folks invented and some still in the position of modern day slaves still celebrate. but if that's what you enjoy - celebrating fiction, fables and stuff that doesn't make any sense - do your thing.

this is just a sad example of how far from "freedom" we really are as a people and how far many of our people are from wanting to "come out of her my people lest of her plagues you take." this is a shame......actually, it's a dayum shame but if you're happy with your living and telling lies - do your thing.

if only some of us as black people could get as upset and defensive about things that really are pertinent to us and our well being. some of you seem like you'll fight harder for this santa-bit than some of the white folks and that again is a dayum shame.

but DO YOUR THING!!!
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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:

I have issues with letting children believe in Santa. And I will probably not foster the belief in MY child. But the real issue here is not about dealing with truth. I'm all for telling the truth but lets be realistic and also LIGHTEN THE F*CK UP.

The teacher was not oblivious to the fact that if the children still believed in Santa then the PARENTS had decided to allow them to continue to believe until other wise.

It was NOT her place to tell the truth to the children. True, they may find out from other children who are being mean and hateful – but we expect these thing from children because THEY don't know any better – SHE did.
bang nono


i find it interesting that you have a biblical verse in your sig, but are at the same time advocating the telling of lies.

you can down the teacher, but you can't down the parents for telling lies in the first place? what is the deal with some of you? you do know that the same bible you're quoting from speaks against lying too - right?
The 'lying lore of christianity' took legs and walked long before Clemen C. Moore's famous poem, "A Visit from Saint Nicolas".

I'll bet my little grandson could tell that class a thing or two. His parents--my son and his wife--are not teaching their children this made up foulishness or any the other European fantasys for that matter [i.e. tooth fairy, easter bunny].

Great Post!
1milehi

Clearing you missed(much as you missed that I was joking about Easter) our parental points of anger and that was the substitute teacher overstepped her bounds.



Whether it be about God, Sex, Santa or the Government that was not her role as a SUBSTITUTE teacher.

I would hate to think that I send my children to school and some fool comes into the class and starts teaching them about Intelligent Design or that the earth is really flat or the conspracy of the Masons and the Knights Templar.

qty226 it is unfortunate that you ran into Bad Santa- as I indicated in another post I have issues with allowing a young child of any colour to sit on some old stranger's knee.
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
1milehi

Clearing you missed(much as you missed that I was joking about Easter) our parental points of anger and that was the substitute teacher overstepped her bounds.


well, i did consider for a split second that the easter comment was a joke.

as far as the teacher overstepping her bounds - who says? if the school says they have no "santa policy" then what bounds did the teacher overstep? she took the liberty to do something that was not restricted and that's all. you disagree with what she did because you celebrate christmas. i don't have a problem with what she did because i don't celebrate nor do i support the telling of lies to children for any reason. that being my stance, if i had a child who came home from such a class and told me that a teacher told the truth about something, i wouldn't be upset if it was in fact the truth.

it's really not worth going into too much of a back and forth about because it's really just another example of the need for alternative schools. when the best we have to settle for is a system that advances lies as part of their educational process, (columbus "discovering" america," santa claus, lack of mention of the rich and lengthy history of black people on the planet) - i think we're all missing the key issue by choosing to argue about something that primarily has got some white folks upset.

this occurrence shouldn't even be a blip on the screen in comparison to what black children are facing in america's public schools, so it's probably best to say we agree to disagree. especially since bias is what wins out in this either way you go. those who celebrete and honor christmas have a problem with what she did and those who don't, don't - for the most part. that's that.

and the teacher sounds like a good one in that she presented another side to the issue, which is the way you stimulate thought in people - isn't it? i don't have a problem with what she did but then, i'm biased.
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i find it interesting that you have a biblical verse in your sig, but are at the same time advocating the telling of lies.


Clearly, you have your own AGENDA because you don't pay attention.

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I have issues with letting children believe in Santa. And I will probably not foster the belief in MY child.


And once again the POINT is that it's not my place to tell others how they should or should not raise their child and what they should or should not allow their child to believe.

Just as you reference my Bible quote, there are those that don't believe as I do, but that doesn't give them the right to "correct" my child's belief.

Who says? The PARENT says.

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no "santa policy"


By no Santa that would more then likely mean that they are trying to maintain a "religious holiday neutral environment" meaning no talk of a particular religion NOT correct a child's belief when you disagree with it.

So call it bias if you like, I call it respect others just as you would want to be respected.

And spare me this "I believe in telling the truth at all times b.s." Because if you think that if a child believed that babies come from heaven or the stork brings them (a lie) that you would be ok with someone – a stranger – telling them that they are wrong to believe this and the TRUTH is that mommy and daddy had sex i.e. daddy put his penis in mommy etc. you are either full of it or need to take your medication
Roll Eyes
And just in case you thought it was just christians...

It is about having fun and fantasy.


http://www.davesdaily.com/out.php?id=11980&url=http://a...51223/D8EM08OG1.html


By MATT SEDENSKY



KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - The letters pour in from children around the world, telling two magical far-off figures their holiday wishes.

These missives aren't sent to Santa Claus. They come from Jewish boys and girls who, for so long, had no one to write each December. They're for an ageless Kansas City couple known simply by Yiddish derivatives for grandmother and grandfather, Bubbie and Zadie.

The story was created in 1981 by Danny Bloom, then a thirtysomething public relations professional at an Alaskan community college who wanted to pen a holiday narrative for Jewish children.

"I remember as a Jewish kid myself growing up in Massachusetts every winter reading the newspaper and seeing the TV shows about Santa Claus. Jewish kids couldn't participate," he said.

The story told of a diminutive grandma and grandpa, bundled up for the cold, who are able to fly through the skies on the first night of Hanukkah. Bubbie and Zadie once lived in Alaska but later moved to Kansas City to run a tailor shop. They visit children everywhere, bringing them stories and songs instead of gifts.

In 1985, his story was published as "Bubbie and Zadie Come to My House." It wasn't a huge sell but publicity surrounding its release kept children's letters coming by the thousands. Bloom answered them all with handwritten notes.

The popularity of Bubbie and Zadie has risen and fallen through the years, as Bloom moved to Japan and now, to Chiayi City, Taiwan, where he is a freelance writer.

He is 56, single, and rents a fifth-floor studio apartment. He rides a bicycle and motor scooter because he has no car and sends e-mails from an Internet cafe because he doesn't have a computer.

With his book out of print, many of Bloom's young writers have found it at a library, come across it on the Internet, or have parents who as children read the Bubbie and Zadie story themselves.

Using an address posted online, most children send letters the traditional way, though Bubbie and Zadie have also received e-mail.

Some of the letters amount to Jewish children's wish lists, but most are exactly what Bloom hoped for - messages of innocence and simplicity.

"Your Hanukkah story in the book is so beautiful and I enjoyed having Grammy read it to me," wrote a 7-year-old Kansas City girl.

"I was so happy to get your letter in the mail because here in Idaho there are not many Jewish people," said an 11-year-old girl from Boise. An 8-year-old boy from Teaneck, N.J, wrote: "My older sister says you might be fake! Are you?"

When responding, Bloom says, he tries to put himself in his own grandmother's frame of mind, not preaching about religion, just being a friendly older presence who treats children as his equals. He signs all his notes "Bubbie and Zadie."

Bloom calls the Bubbie and Zadie project his hobby. But with no synagogue to be found and Judaism virtually nonexistent in Taiwan, it may serve a larger purpose, too.

"This program connects me back to my own culture," he said. "These letters fill up my life with something I don't have."

Bloom's program is now in its 25th year, and he hopes that it might someday inspire a cartoon or film.

"It's my big dream that writing to Bubbie and Zadie would become a part of American Jewish culture," he said.


By MATT SEDENSKY

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - The letters pour in from children around the world, telling two magical far-off figures their holiday wishes.

These missives aren't sent to Santa Claus. They come from Jewish boys and girls who, for so long, had no one to write each December. They're for an ageless Kansas City couple known simply by Yiddish derivatives for grandmother and grandfather, Bubbie and Zadie.

The story was created in 1981 by Danny Bloom, then a thirtysomething public relations professional at an Alaskan community college who wanted to pen a holiday narrative for Jewish children.

"I remember as a Jewish kid myself growing up in Massachusetts every winter reading the newspaper and seeing the TV shows about Santa Claus. Jewish kids couldn't participate," he said.

The story told of a diminutive grandma and grandpa, bundled up for the cold, who are able to fly through the skies on the first night of Hanukkah. Bubbie and Zadie once lived in Alaska but later moved to Kansas City to run a tailor shop. They visit children everywhere, bringing them stories and songs instead of gifts.

In 1985, his story was published as "Bubbie and Zadie Come to My House." It wasn't a huge sell but publicity surrounding its release kept children's letters coming by the thousands. Bloom answered them all with handwritten notes.

The popularity of Bubbie and Zadie has risen and fallen through the years, as Bloom moved to Japan and now, to Chiayi City, Taiwan, where he is a freelance writer.

He is 56, single, and rents a fifth-floor studio apartment. He rides a bicycle and motor scooter because he has no car and sends e-mails from an Internet cafe because he doesn't have a computer.

With his book out of print, many of Bloom's young writers have found it at a library, come across it on the Internet, or have parents who as children read the Bubbie and Zadie story themselves.

Using an address posted online, most children send letters the traditional way, though Bubbie and Zadie have also received e-mail.

Some of the letters amount to Jewish children's wish lists, but most are exactly what Bloom hoped for - messages of innocence and simplicity.

"Your Hanukkah story in the book is so beautiful and I enjoyed having Grammy read it to me," wrote a 7-year-old Kansas City girl.

"I was so happy to get your letter in the mail because here in Idaho there are not many Jewish people," said an 11-year-old girl from Boise. An 8-year-old boy from Teaneck, N.J, wrote: "My older sister says you might be fake! Are you?"

When responding, Bloom says, he tries to put himself in his own grandmother's frame of mind, not preaching about religion, just being a friendly older presence who treats children as his equals. He signs all his notes "Bubbie and Zadie."

Bloom calls the Bubbie and Zadie project his hobby. But with no synagogue to be found and Judaism virtually nonexistent in Taiwan, it may serve a larger purpose, too.

"This program connects me back to my own culture," he said. "These letters fill up my life with something I don't have."

Bloom's program is now in its 25th year, and he hopes that it might someday inspire a cartoon or film.

"It's my big dream that writing to Bubbie and Zadie would become a part of American Jewish culture," he said.
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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:
Clearly, you have your own AGENDA because you don't pay attention.


no, i paid attention to that but i paid more attention to you saying it was not the teach'ers place to TELL THE TRUTH TO THE CLASS. and based on the teachers explanation: "I did not tell the students Santa Claus was dead," she explained. "I said there was a man named Nickolas of Myrna who died in 343 A.D., upon whom the Santa Claus myth (is based)."

she wasn't out to shatter the children, it seems she was giving the other sides of the story and even going to the root of the whole santa claus myth. but i understand, trying to inspire that kind of THOUGHT, balance and THINKING SKILLS is not what today's public schools are for. so let's get back to the dumbed-down-robot-producing factory and be happy - right?

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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:
And spare me this "I believe in telling the truth at all times b.s." Because if you think that if a child believed that babies come from heaven or the stork brings them (a lie) that you would be ok with someone – a stranger – telling them that they are wrong to believe this and the TRUTH is that mommy and daddy had sex i.e. daddy put his penis in mommy etc. you are either full of it or need to take your medication
Roll Eyes


no, i don't take any medications but are you sure you don't need something since it seems you're blowing a gasket over this?

if i'm consistent, that means, #1) i wouldn't be telling my children lies about some "stork" or some imaginary "heaven" in the first place and (#2) i wouldn't have a problem with someone else telling my children the truth.
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Originally posted by Blacksanction:

qty226 it is unfortunate that you ran into Bad Santa- as I indicated in another post I have issues with allowing a young child of any colour to sit on some old stranger's knee.


I was taught the truth about Santa and christmas.......i never stood on a long line, expecting to sit on his knee, begging for gifts, because i was a good little girl during the year.

I dont feel the teacher had a right to teach anything different, than the planned assignment........but i find it funny, that its ok for our 'schools' to teach a lie.........but want children NOT to lie.

Fantasy my azz....
Why? We ALL lie. Your parents have probably told you a multitude of lies over the years and they still expect truth in return, a pattern you will repeat with your own children. The goverment lies to us all the time and expects truth in return. Your boss lies to you and expects truth in return. Etc. The standard expectation of truth doesn't go out the window because we're all liars.
question: do you think any jews would ever be caught dead celebrating any holidays that germans hold dear and sacred?

look at some black people though and look what they get for even somewhat trying to integrate into their former slavemasters' traditions:

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Posted on Sun, Dec. 25, 2005

Black Santa display attacked

BY CAROLYN P. SMITH
News-Democrat

Someone lynched Santa.

Then they returned to mess with the reindeer.

About 10:30 a.m. Friday, William Glass noticed his Christmas decorations were in disarray. He was ready to blame the grandkids, but then saw it was more serious.

"Somebody tied a hangman's noose around his neck and hung him from the tree," Glass said of his Santa decoration. He filed a report with Fairview Heights Police.

Glass said he believes the vandalism was motivated by race because his Santa Claus was black. He said he's looked around the neighborhood where he lives at 303 Papillon Drive and has not seen anybody else's decorations disturbed.

After he filed the police report Glass put Santa back in his handmade sleigh. But overnight Saturday vandals returned to smash Santa's sleigh, tear out Santa and pull off the reindeers' antlers.

The Rev. Johnny Scott, president of the East St. Louis chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said he plans to contact Fairview Heights Police to check on the investigation.

"It's a hate crime. The local police department will probably do a good job, but it's also a federal crime. I feel comfortable calling the federal authorities to have them investigate this crime," Scott said.

Glass, 61, has lived on Papillon Drive for 15 years. Somebody walked away with his black Santa several years ago.

He said he displays a black Santa because it's part of who he is.

"I am black. My Santa is black. It's important for us to teach our children who they are. They have to be able to identify with the person who takes care of them all year long," Glass said.

Glass is disturbed by the senseless act, but said he will not let it put a damper on his holiday. He's not bitter.

"I want the police to catch whoever did it, but sometimes when you turn bitter, it festers and you become angry," Glass said. "Then, you put yourself in a position where you want to get even and that's no good."
"I am black. My Santa is black. It's important for us to teach our children who they are.---1milehi

Merry Christmas and Happy Kwanzaa!!!

I know this wuld never happen in Denver. Right??

Of all the story, I thought that excerpt was the most significant.

I had a friend who was killed in a one-car accident on Christmas Eve night, dressed as a Santa Claus, while on is way to visit several homes of of friends for their children. Obviously, he was African American.

I understand William Glass' point, and intent.

The sadness for me is that he thinks his blackness is who he is.

And that's what he is teaching his children.

He is, regrettably, raising another gereration of his family to believe that their color is who they are.

That's an entrapment of our oppressor that we embrace lovingly.

And we defiantly teach it to our children.


PEACE

Jim Chester
Of course we ALL lie, for several reasons.......this humans do! But this is a totally different situation....

To condone lying when its suitable, for what is supposed to be a 'holy' occasion, is a joke in itself.

The problem here is to point out the difference between 'fantasy and truth'!!

These children had no idea that this was fantasy, which caused problems.........these are 6 and 7 year olds (1st and 2nd grade), not realizing that this situation is fantasy. How the hell did that happen??

If you are going to teach.........then you teach it as a fantasy story.......not truth!!

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