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Hell Mr. Kweli4Real,

"Lofton, I appreciate the change in tune of your last post. You don't seem to be placing an indictment on all (most) Black folks. Thanks.

Regarding MLK and other "Leaders", I simply say try not to allow the foibles of man to detract from the good that man has accomplished." By Mr. Kweli4Real

The title alone shows that I have not condemned all of Black America. Its not a matter of me changing my tune, but rather one comprehending what is in print. Not a one of the posts indicts all or even most of Black America. Many of the individuals I have issue with have been mentioned by name. The grounds used for condemnation are indeed within reason. Mr. B. Bankins, Mr. Whoopie, Mr. IndependentMan, Mr.Kraaal, and a few others have yet to draw this inference that I have indicted all or even most of Black America. Furthermore, the Mr. B. Bankins, Mr. Whoopie, Mr. IndependentMan, Mr. Kraaal, as well as quite a few others hold similar views. Black people like any other ethnic group are opinionated, and think for themselves. Black people are not monolithic in thought, which is clearly shown by
"Patrons at Real Life Barbershop Have No Problem With Movie"

by Steve Lopez, Los Angeles Times, Part B, September 27, 2002.

Reverend Jesse Jackson and Reverend Al Sharpton are probably upset that this is one time they are not getting a cut in making a dime off of this movie or product to make Mega Bucks written and produced by other Black people. It feels good to know than finally other Black people who have been left out are having the time of their lives to make real money, namely in the Mega Buck range for a change.

Perhaps because I have not followed the cab of this "Hate Whitey Crowd" may have blinded you as to the essence of the theme of virtually all my posts, in that the key individuals that I have condemned, truly warrant condemnation because they are in fact proven misfits of Black America.

With regard to MLK, Jesse Jackson, or any other preacher known to be deceitful, a womanizer, cheating on his wife, a hypocrit, sacrilegious, etc., Mike Lofton is not parting with a dime of his money for any preacher's "Love Offering" used to finance a preacher's mistress or mistresses, or used to purchase any luxury in a beamer, a helicopter, a mansion, etc., for any preacher, or sacrifice so much as a minute of my time to listen to anyone proven to be no good. Anyone has the right to be fooled, be a fool, love being a fool, or think independently and not to be duped at all. Besides, money does not grow on trees, and just like that no good preacher, I'm out to build my own paradise on earth, the key difference being it will not be derived through deceit at the expense of other Black people, but rather through sacrifice, legal lawful gainful employment, investment, gambling winnings at a casino or race track should I choose to, civil lawsuit for damages, etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Michael Lofton on September 27, 2002 at 06:57 PM.]
Mr. negrospiritual,

"I have read some of your posts in other topics and have a better understanding of where you are coming from. With that said, I must ask you about the juxtaposition of Condi Rice/Clarence Thomas against those african-Americans described as "real criminals/real traitors"? This would indicate you believe those 2 political figures and others like them are not equally harmful to our people?" by Mr. negrospiritual

The comparison made between an appointee vs. an elected office holder in a position of influence has no relation to that of the power vested in any elected office holder. Condoleeza Rice is not an elected official, because she is an appointee. An appointee must do the bidding of those who appointed them, President Bush and his advisors being the individuals who made for her appointment.

An elected office holder on the other hand is voted into office by registered voters. Under the definition of the duties of all elected office holders each are sworn in under oath of office to perform the duties of office to represent the people who elected them. The mandated by law duties are defined by the U.S. Constitution, the respective State Constitutions, and local jurisdictions, the U.S. Constitution being the Supreme Law of the United States of America.

In many Black communities, Black elected office holders are voted into office by Black people, but instead of serving the community of Black America who elected them, many of these individuals serve every other ethnic group but Black America. Elected office holders by definition are public servants, meaning law abiding citizens of the jurisdiction represented are the employer, and the elected official is the employee. In the past and present tense, many of these individuals play games of deceit, are truly incompetent, are criminals in government uniform, and/or are truly self-serving or serve their personal friends only, etc., which is very counter-productive as it pertains to anyone who petitions their elected leadership for redress for the wrongs of a government seriously gone awry.

Somewhere our elected office holders must have missed the boat, been sleeping in civics class, etc., for apparantly they don't know the primary purpose of an elected office holder, which does not require a university degree to get the drift.

The issue pertaining to the reality that our own elected leadership have failed, and don't intend to serve the truly law abiding of Black America is not new material. The Baltimore Sun published an article entitled, "African-Americans Need Honest Leaders", by Robert C. Gumbs, former secretary for the Baltimore NAACP's Committee on Crime.

An elected office holder has the power and legal authority to make the necessary reforms or take action to insure that justice is served with regard to "Equal Justice and Protection Under the Law", "Due Process", and many other mandated U.S. Constitutional protections that protect the rights of the law abiding. Since our own elected leaders are the first in line to be petitioned for redress, it is their first responsibility to protect the best interest of Black America, which is not the first responsibility of any other ethnic group. Political representation is provincialistic in nature, meaning those of like heritage, background, etc., tend to serve others of like heritage, background, etc., thus it is not the first responsibility of any Caucasian, Hispanic, Korean, Islamic, Japanese, individual or group of individuals to protect the property rights or otherwise of truly law abiding U.S. citizens of Black American heritage.

I leave the readers with a very important excerpt that outlines one of the most important duties of all elected officials.

"THE JOB OF THE CONGRESSMAN"

"There are cases where an individual has been wrongfully treated by his government and about the only way, unless the individual resorts to court, and even in some cases the courts art not able to give proper relief, the only area or avenue open to the individual is through his representative. When you find a bona fide error has been made, I suggest that you make a maximum effort to remedy it. This I feel is a vital and important function of those of us in the House of Representatives."

Authors: Donald G. Tacheron and Morris Udall, from the book entitled "THE JOB OF THE CONGRESSMAN", pages 65 and 66.

Note: The above caption holds true for any elected office holder,without regard to jurisdictional authority, government employee, responsible U.S. citizen, responsible group of U.S. citizens, community based organization, and/or business entity.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Michael Lofton on September 29, 2002 at 11:32 AM.]
Mr. Kevin40 Ounce,

"but i say fuuck you and others who make that broad statement..." by Kevin41

"what does a 40 ounce have to do with it...I know brothers who drink 40's that are about to become Rhodes scholars and are smarter and more accomplished than what most people could just dream of......so as they drink their 40's they'll just look at your whiteism saying azz and say "so what Negro, what are you doing with your life"? Do not try to paint a picture based on the perception of blacks that whites have conditioned you to have.


And bro...once they are on the wall......"so-called university educated " comes from the mouths of the haters I guess.....no one gives a fu-k though because the show did not come to a stop based on the thoughts of a peon in the midst of things.....

why do you think because a brother has a education he has to limit himself and tone down his dialogue for ignorant and self-hating fools he meets in his travels....I only sound like I'm in class when the person I'm talking to sounds that way also......go figure bro.......so go ahead and finish addressing your psychosis of black hatred in here. Maybe it'll have some therapeutic effect. By the way, are you a black person? I'm curious......" by Kevin40 Ounce Pompous41

.....must be a strong case of diarrhea in the mouth that causes a university professor to spew out profanity. If this is your measure of success, then no matter how many sheep skin degrees such an individual may possess or have on the wall, it sure is taking a huge step in the wrong direction. Show some manners Jr., do you always talk to your elders like that?

Out of the mouth of a so called university educated individual. Again, I could care less as to what you think of me and you can put that where ever you want it.

As for the likes of Kevin40Ounce41, Don't expect a response of any kind from me, because it is a waste of my valuable time, to spend so much as five minutes, with any profane professor, who again spends all or most of his time blaming the demise of Black folks on Caucasian America, even when Black people have in fact are or have been their own worst enemies.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on May 27, 2003 at 05:45 PM.]
Lofton,

what does a 40 ounce have to do with it...I know brothers who drink 40's that are about to become Rhodes scholars and are smarter and more accomplished than what most people could just dream of......so as they drink their 40's they'll just look at your whiteism saying azz and say "so what Negro, what are you doing with your life"? Do not try to paint a picture based on the perception of blacks that whites have conditioned you to have.


And bro...once they are on the wall......"so-called university educated " comes from the mouths of the haters I guess.....no one gives a fu-k though because the show did not come to a stop based on the thoughts of a peon in the midst of things.....

why do you think because a brother has a education he has to limit himself and tone down his dialogue for ignorant and self-hating fools he meets in his travels....I only sound like I'm in class when the person I'm talking to sounds that way also......go figure bro.......so go ahead and finish addressing your psychosis of black hatred in here. Maybe it'll have some therapeutic effect. By the way, are you a black person? I'm curious........
Lofton posted,
Mr. Kevin40 Ounce,

"but i say fuuck you and others who make that broad statement..." by Kevin41

must be a strong case of diarrhea in the mouth that causes a university professor to spew out profanity. If this is your measure of success, then no matter how many sheep skin degrees such an individual may possess or have on the wall, it sure is taking a huge step in the wrong direction. Show some manners Jr., do you always talk to your elders like that?

Out of the mouth of a so called university educated individual. Again, I could care less as to what you think of me and you can put that where ever you want it.


* Well Lofton, since you want to be a little biitch about and post selective parts of my post, i'll just place what I said "fu-k you and others who make broad statements" in response to. And unless you get the chance to talk to someone like they are little boy in person, don't do it on the net...it makes you appear like a little bit-h taking the liberties that comes with hiding behind a keyboard.



Lofton posted:

The Black Sorority, "Alpha Kappa Alpha", is being sued at this very moment, to which I bet those who head this sorority won't be labeling this material as "Mumbo Jumbo", because in reality they may lose a few million, because of very serious wrongdoing on the part of their membership that resulted in the death of two university students.

Suit Alleges Hazing in Death,Los Angeles Times, September 24, 2002, page B3, by Daniel Hernandez, Times Staff Writer!

Call it a fairy tail, call it living in LA LA Land, call it what you will, but the only individuals who fit this description are those whose false beliefs and actions create the very dismal conditions that permeate communities across Black America. In my case, it feels good to for once not follow in the footsteps of those of Black America who win hands down any contest based on ignorance. I'm not facing this music, because I'm not deceitful or that snake oil in a sleaze artist game player. Those who continue to move through life in this manner are in for a rude awakening, because anything worthwhile grows, and anything to contrary perishes.


* I responded to YOU:


why do you make that seem as if it is particular to black frats and sororities? Whites have been binge drinking and tied to train tracks and jumping off hotel roofs for years...i know this because i am in a frat myself.....but you are funny lofty, because you have this resentment for the black middle class...but i say fuuck you and others who make that broad statement...because a lot of middle class blacks were once poor and did everything from cut yards to fry burgers to collect bottles to get that education and join the middle class........and I am familiar with that chapter of AKA...and yes it was an accident..and accidents do happen...that is not an excuse but the Pan Hellenic council and the national headquarters of all of the black frats and sororities have worked dilligently to reduce and eliminate this kind of accidents...and alot of time...these things are caused by one individual not following instructions of the group as a whole (speaking from experience, i have pledged people before....lots)

but i do not know if you are black or not, but you seem to live for black failure and mistakes as your way of painting a picture of the group as a whole....but like whites......why don't you people tell the whole side of the story...why don't you talk about the high asss graduation rates of black greek-letter organizations....or the long list of famous individuals from MLK to jesse to george washington carver to alan leroy locke (first black rhodes scholar)........you are a real trip assss brother...and if you are white...well...it is expected...but i find it funny how you people will rail on a single black incident as indicative of the middle class...but you let a racist asss dumb asss president and his cronies fuuck you out of your life savings and curtail your civil rights.....and just stand there in dumb asss silent agreement.....

so ask yourself, what have you done to improve the very same things you whine and biitch about daily....how many kids have you educated or sent to school besides your own....what progressive organizations do you belong to and what kind of financial support do you provide for the less fortunate? why don't you highlight some of those things instead of coming across like a sorry assssed loser who needs to castigate others in order to gain some self-worth of your own....that poverty-preacher nonsense is as played out as a phuckin gheri curl...........
so brother (or white guy) what have YOU done to rectify the very things you moan about daily?
...and by the way, the black folk in Pinpoint, Georgia, Clarence Thomas' home town, aren't exactly happy with him either.

Finally, I know We all heard about the reception he received at the University of Georgia, however, the papers were more kind to him than the students were. They really did not want him there!

If you straighten your back, they can't ride it!
Forty Ounce and/or anyone else of similar opinion,

"so ask yourself, what have you done to improve the very same things you whine and biitch about daily....how many kids have you educated or sent to school besides your own....what progressive organizations do you belong to and what kind of financial support do you provide for the less fortunate? why don't you highlight some of those things instead of coming across like a sorry assssed loser who needs to castigate others in order to gain some self-worth of your own....that poverty-preacher nonsense is as played out as a phuckin gheri curl...........
so brother (or white guy) what have YOU done to rectify the very things you moan about daily?" by Kevin40Ounce

"No one has time to address your hatred of blacks across multiple forums. The forum about the lady who put her kid in the washing machine displays your pathological thinking about blacks rather well. At this point I have written you off as a self-hating negro or an antagonist white."

"Once again, if one who is so damn critical of black people is not putting their time effort and money to rectify the things they find so horrible about black people...then they are just a self-castigating negro blowing hot smoke out their azzes....plain and simple." by 40 Ounce

Unless you have rodents in your pockets you can only speak for Forty Ounce. I have not condemned all of Black America, as your very erroneous, and misrepresentation of the truth suggest. The only individual to which you have jurisdiction over in this instance is Kevin40Ounce. Should I post information on this board or any other board, this again is my choice alone, and not yours. I could careless as to if you ever responded. Heck, no need hiding this material, because again this information concerning our own dysfunctional elected leadership, no good preachers, is not without merit, and again should I choose to share or expose such information the choice is mine, and mine alone not yours.

Thank you Caucasian America for the privilege of being a U.S. citizen, in that, freedom of expression, and/or other U.S. Constitutional protections shall not be abridged or denied, unless waived or lost as a result of criminal wrongdoing.

Heck, it would be interesting to know what would happen, or what degree of unwarranted dismissal of written or spoken language would be in store, if the Kevin40ounces of Black America, were large and in charge, as it pertains to freedom of expression issues. Judging by the responses as shared by Kevin41, freedom of expression would be denied or abridged, in the event any so-called Professor Kevin40Ounce and the likes, had any say or authority. Again Kevin-40-Ounce with more "mouth to the ounce", ..... this "so called Professor" has no jurisdiction over me or anyone else, as it pertains to freedom of expression. Should I post information on 1000 message boards, or newspapers, again this would be my option, and not any "Kevin 40 Ounce" or otherwise.

Again, I could care less as to what you think of me, and I don't need to prove anything to you. Those who know me personally, know for a fact that your assessment is way off the mark, with regard to helping the less fortunate.

With regard to being a member of any progressive Black organization, to which in reality very few exist, the NAACP, and/or other notoriously dsyfunctional organizations are definitely not progressive Black organizations.

Before I would give so much as one dime of my money, so much as a minute amount of time, and/or energy, such an effort would be spent to aid those truly in need as compared to supported the truly greedy, in the NAACP, PUSH, some carpetbagging deceitful using false pretenses to hold elected office elected Black leader, and/or the multitude of sleazy preachers and/or deacons that exist within the typical Black church, in communities across Black America.

Again, plenty of information exists to prove that Black people have been and remain to be their own worst enemies. A huge cesspool exists with Black America's own poverty pimping hustling clergypersons, and/or disgraceful elected leadership, to which Michael Lofton alone did not initiate such information. I'm not about to suit your wishes to state that such activity does not occur, when in fact such activity does occur, whether you agree or not.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on June 02, 2003 at 11:47 PM.]
Lofton,

No one has time to address your hatred of blacks across multiple forums. The forum about the lady who put her kid in the washing machine displays your pathological thinking about blacks rather well. At this point I have written you off as a self-hating negro or an antagonist white.

Once again, if one who is so damn critical of black people is not putting their time effort and money to rectify the things they find so horrible about black people...then they are just a self-castigating negro blowing hot smoke out their azzes....plain and simple


So black people are their own worst enemies huh? amazing.......
quote:
Posted: 5/30/03 8:53:10 pm
Again What Do You Think!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is What I Know!

Furthermore...



Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


What do I think? I think that while all roads may lead to Rome, aparently all links lead to here! LOL! Big Grin Razz

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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Lofton:

Martin Luther King, ...

...may be Kevin41's idol or hero, but don't expect the same to come from everyone.

..., the skirt chasing while still married Dr. Martin Luther Kings, ...

If a polling is kept just within the community of Black America, he be surprise to find the sheer numbers of those who have no respect for these individuals.

If the J. Edger Hoover's files are ever published, to which Ms. Coretta Scott King has asked the files to be concealed, what came out in the comedy in "Barbershop" will only scratch the surface.



Why do you care about MLK's sex life? Confused

I mean, unless you were sitting in the oval office with him and he offered you a cigar,... Eek (oops, never mind...I was thinking of somebody else Big Grin)

If J. Edgar Hoover had files on me, I wouldn't want them released, either! Roll Eyes

MLK was a true hero, not just for African Americans, or even Americans in general, but for everybody world wide. We have the capability to distroy ourselves as a species, along with many others. Many would argue that we are fortunate to have survived the last century.

Our survival as a species over the next century is not certain. Eek If we are to survive, it will be because we listened to the lessons and examples of people like Mahatma Ghandi and MLK.

"The atom has changed everything, but the way men think"---Albert Einstein

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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Lofton:

MLK like many other Black preachers has not come clean with Black America. The Martin Luther King family have not come clean with Black America. Information exists to prove that Martin Luther King frequently cheated on his wife, etc. Any preacher who cheats on his wife is not worth the respect due a minister.

I didn't know that the respect for MLK was because he was a minister. There are lots of ministers.
quote:

This cannot be said for Dr. or Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr., Reverend Jesse Jackson, etc., because many Black people, as it pertains to the little guy, had dogs sicked on them, were beaten by police, maimed or killed, while Dr. Martin Luther King and/or the Reverend Jesse Jacksons remained safe in the background.

When MLK was assasinated, ...


Which is it, Lofton? Did MLK remain safely in the background or was he assassinated? Confused

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quote:
Originally posted by Lofton:
Mr. Kevin40 Ounce,

"but i say fuuck you and others who make that broad statement..." by Kevin41

"what does a 40 ounce have to do with it...I know brothers who drink 40's that are about to become Rhodes scholars and are smarter and more accomplished than what most people could just dream of......so as they drink their 40's they'll just look at your whiteism saying azz and say "so what Negro, what are you doing with your life"? Do not try to paint a picture based on the perception of blacks that whites have conditioned you to have.


And bro...once they are on the wall......"so-called university educated " comes from the mouths of the haters I guess.....no one gives a fu-k though because the show did not come to a stop based on the thoughts of a peon in the midst of things.....

why do you think because a brother has a education he has to limit himself and tone down his dialogue for ignorant and self-hating fools he meets in his travels....I only sound like I'm in class when the person I'm talking to sounds that way also......go figure bro.......so go ahead and finish addressing your psychosis of black hatred in here. Maybe it'll have some therapeutic effect. By the way, are you a black person? I'm curious......" by Kevin40 Ounce Pompous41

.....must be a strong case of diarrhea in the mouth that causes a university professor to spew out profanity. If this is your measure of success, then no matter how many sheep skin degrees such an individual may possess or have on the wall, it sure is taking a huge step in the wrong direction. Show some manners Jr., do you always talk to your elders like that?

Out of the mouth of a so called university educated individual. Again, I could care less as to what you think of me and you can put that where ever you want it.

As for the likes of Kevin40Ounce41, Don't expect a response of any kind from me, because it is a waste of my valuable time, to spend so much as five minutes, with any profane professor, who again spends all or most of his time blaming the demise of Black folks on Caucasian America, even when Black people have in fact are or have been their own worst enemies.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on May 27, 2003 at 05:45 PM.]


Lofton,

I don't want to presume to tell you how to write your own posts, but I searched back through the entire thread looking for Kevin's comment that you quoted here, a rather time consuming task, since I had to reload three pages to do it, and my connection at home is quite slow.

I was about to tell you that Kevin didn't say that, but then it occured that he would say that in a later post, so I read on in the thread, coming to his comments that you quoted.

I'm left feeling like I am in a time warp! Eek

Just a suggestion: These threads would be much easier to follow if you would use the edit feature to make spelling and gramatical corrections, only, and write new posts for any new material, or to make significant changes. That way, people who come by later can see the history of the thread, and better follow the flow of your arguements. Smile

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ricardomath,

"MLK was a true hero, not just for African Americans, or even Americans in general, but for everybody world wide. We have the capability to destroy ourselves as a species, along with many others. Many would argue that we are fortunate to have survived the last century." by Ricardomath

The above except is a matter of opinion, because in the eyes and thoughts of the underclass of Black America, respect for Malcolm X would be over and beyond anything Dr. King has ever represented. Unlike Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcolm X and/or the N.O.I. believed in fighting back, by any means necessary, should anyone unlawfully violate any Black man, woman, and/or child.

"This cannot be said for Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Reverend Jesse Jackson, etc., because many Black people, as it pertains to the little guy, had dogs sicked on them, were beaten by police, maimed or killed, while Dr. Martin Luther King and/or the Reverend Jesse Jacksons remained safe in the background." by M. Lofton

....and Reverend Jesse Jackson raced to the scene of the crime, after Dr. Martin Luther King had already been shot, to wipe blood on his own shirt or clothing, to give the appearance that he stood tall in the defense of Dr. Martin Luther King, prior to the assassination. Former Reverend Ralph Abernathy, now deceased, who was a close friend of both Reverend Jesse Jackson, and Dr. Martin Luther King, "spilled the beans" to disclose this very disgraceful act, on the part of Reverend Jesse Jackson, to deceive Black people into believing that he truly acted in the defense of Dr. Martin Luther King. Reverend Jackson has been sleazy for years, to which it is not new material, and such information has been published by many reputable sources.

"MLK like many other Black preachers has not come clean with Black America. The Martin Luther King family have not come clean with Black America. Information exists to prove that Martin Luther King frequently cheated on his wife, etc. Any preacher who cheats on his wife is not worth the respect due a minister."

A Preacher above all else is supposed to live by the rules of the Bible that he preaches. Should any congregation find that the preacher in the pulpit violates the ten commandments, the "Lords Prayer, etc., etc., it won't be long before the preacher found to be dishonorable, is either replaced, and/or the church congregation may soon find a new church home.

Again, this is why I admire Malcolm X, because while other Nation of Islam Members, violated the teachings and principles of the Holy Koran, some of the violators to whom held high rank within the N.O.I., Malcolm X played his cards straight, and was very honorable to the very end.

This is not your issue. You are not in any way a voice for Black America. Your place is with the Caucasian community, and not here. Thus as far as this discussion pertaining to your input, it is irrelevant as to what you may think or believe, as to the "Whos, Who" of the true heroes of Black America, many to whom are unsung heroes, to which neither the Caucasian community nor the so-called journalism community of Black America, have yet to pay the piper, or tribute to.

I admire and respect Malcolm X, much more so than Dr. Martin Luther King. Malcolm X was true to himself, true to his family, true to the N.O.I. Malcolm would be the first to step up the plate should any police officer or other government official disrespect any law abiding Black man, woman, and/or child's property rights and/or otherwise. Malcolm X didn't bite his tongue as to criminal acts perpetrated by Caucasian against Black people, and/or those who have betrayed Black folks from within.

Malcolm X, believed in fighting back, rather than the Dr. Martin Luther King method of non-violence, and marching, to which marching in the year 2003, has yet to deliver "Equal Justice and Protection Under Law" to the many innocent Black men and/or women fined, jailed, and/or both within the U.S., prior to the King era, during King era, to which many proven incidents still exist today, meaning the year 2003.

Many individuals had dogs sicked on them, many were killed, etc., before Reverend Martin Luther King was ever thought of. Rosa Parks is one of many individuals who took a stand for fairness, but who in return was dealt with harshly. This being said, there are many heroes, many to whom are unsung. Rosa Parks, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Reverend Martin King are media made, many times media made by Caucasian America itself. The movie "Barber Shop" made light of this, to which "Cedric" was very real and to the point as to what time it is, in that there are many Black heroes, and because the media says that one is a hero, may not actually be the case, as to who truly steps up to the plate. By and large major communication networks, be it CBS, NBC, ABC, the New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, etc., are controlled by Caucasians, to which the media can influence the thoughts of others, sometimes in a manner which may not be exactly truthful. Should Black people seek heroes, our own media, our community, etc., over any Caucasian owned and operated network shall commend heroes, and expose anyone found to be treasonous to the community of Black America, to which it benefits Caucasian owned and operated businesses to mislead the Black community, as to who is, and who should not be a hero.

Indeed, George Washington Carver, is truly a hero in the name of all humanity. Heck, Scott Joplin, was an accomplished pianist and music writer, to which Caucasian America, for many years refused to honor this very talented Black music writer and musician for his many original music accomplishments. Only here recently, decades after the death of Scott Joplin, has Scott Joplin, received such an honor, namely because like anything else the truth prevails above all else.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on May 31, 2003 at 07:31 PM.]
quote:
Originally posted by Lofton:

This is not your issue. You are not in any way a voice for Black America. Your place is with the Caucasian community, and not here.


Well...um...This seems an odd position for you to take, especially since I came across this particular thread by following the link that you posted over at P&P. Confused

Again What Do You Think!

I thought that you were soliciting comments on this thread. Roll Eyes

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ricardomath,

This is not your issue, and your input as to the who's, who's, of Black America, in a Dr. Martin Luther King, is worthless to those of Black America who truly face unwarranted oppression in the year 2003. You are not in any way a voice for Black America. Be it alone, or from the community of Caucasian America, your place is with the Caucasian community, and not here. Do as you like, because anyone is entitled to speaking their mind. However, just as surely as you remain steadfast in you beliefs, I also have mine, to which I can only speak for Michael Lofton. It is certain though that there are many individuals from the community of Black America, who strongly admire and respect Malcolm X, and/or the many unsung heroes of Black America, for their however small or large contributions to the underclass, many times over and above any accomplishment of a Dr. Martin Luther King, Reverend Jesse Jackson, etc., to which the accomplishments of Dr. Martin Luther King have yet to be realized for the masses, as it pertains to the underclass.

Well to make it crystal clear, the meaning of the word "here" with respect to who, or whom, would be considered to be a hero within the Black community. I doubt it very seriously if any Caucasian American, will allow any Black person to define, create, and/or select, any hero in the name of Caucasian Americans.

No confusion, but fact. As far as posting or any comment is concerned, you can post or make comments to the postings "twenty four seven", be it this thread or any other thread, but you will not influence the voice and heart of Black America, as to the Who's, Who's, of its leaders. Thus your place is with Caucasian America, pertaining to the definition and selection of Caucasian American heroes, and not here, as it pertains to defining or selecting any of Black America's heroes.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on June 01, 2003 at 06:37 AM.]
EbonyRose,

"I have 2 questions. The first is: How do you sleep at night? What I mean is, do you toss and turn, or is your rest peaceful?" by EbonyRose

Very peaceful, because again my conscience is clear.

My second question is: What makes you an expert on Black social and/or community affairs? by EbonyRose

Don't have to be an expert in Black Social and/or community affairs to witness or to be made aware of criminal wrongdoing, disrespectful activity, sleaze, gross incompetence, treason, and/or greed, be it on the part of a preacher, an elected official, or otherwise.

My grandfather was a United Methodist Minister who truly practiced what he preached. It is certain that the few Black preachers who are honorable and who truly live by the teachings of the Bible, are overlooked or have to go the extra distance in the name of being honorable, to overcome the huge crowd of the many preachers, and deacons of sleaze or greed, who have disgraced the very meaning of what it means to be a preacher or otherwise.

I've personally witnessed or been made aware of the many disgraceful acts by the many "Reverend Hartford H. Brookins", the many "Reverend Henry Lyons", of Black America, as it pertains to the practice of very sacrilegious activity before, during, and/or after church service.

It has negatively impacted my life to the point that I may at best attend church five times in ten years. Instead of attending church on a regular basis, I've chosen to give of myself personally to those in need as opposed to those of sleaze, gross disrespect, and/or greed.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on May 31, 2003 at 07:18 PM.]
What I said was:
quote:
MLK was a true hero, not just for African Americans, or even Americans in general, but for everybody world wide. We have the capability to distroy ourselves as a species, along with many others. Many would argue that we are fortunate to have survived the last century.

Our survival as a species over the next century is not certain. If we are to survive, it will be because we listened to the lessons and examples of people like Mahatma Ghandi and MLK.


To which you reply:
quote:
Originally posted by Lofton:
"This is not your issue. You are not in any way a voice for Black America. Your place is with the Caucasian community, and not here." by Lofton

Well to make it crystal clear, the meaning of the word "here" with respect to who, or whom, would be considered to be a hero within the Black community. I doubt it very seriously if any Caucasian American, will allow any Black person to define, create, and/or select, any hero in the name of Caucasian Americans.

No confusion, but fact. As far as posting or any comment is concerned, you can post or make comments to the postings "twenty four seven", be it this thread or any other thread, but you will not influence the voice and heart of Black America, as to the Who's, Who's, of its leaders. Thus your place is with Caucasian America, pertaining to the definition and selection of Caucasian American heroes, and not here, as it pertains to defining or selecting any of Black America's heroes.


If you examine what I said, you will find that I am not telling anybody who their heroes should be. What I did do is to give the names of two of my heroes, with a very short explanation as to why.

Aparently, you are offended by the fact that one of them is African American, if I understand you correctly. Confused

I should note that the two individuals that I selected are heroes to many people all around the globe. Their ideas and methods have been used by peoples and social movements around the world. And the world has been changed as a result. (I assume that, as a conservative, you have to admit that the fall of repressive regimes of eastern europe and the soviet empire was a good thing. Now, if only we can use those same tools to avoid the creation of an american empire. Eek )

"La vida te da sorpresas...
Sorpresas te da la vida...",
¡Ay, Dios!

Rubén Blades---Pedro Navaja


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ricardomath,

"Apparently, you are offended by the fact that one of them is African American, if I understand you correctly." by ricardomath

This is your statement not mine. I've referenced the Who's, Who's, as to my heroes to which Dr. Martin Luther King is not one of them. The only thing good about Martin Luther King is having a day off, as it pertains to the "King Holiday". Malcolm X is much more deserving of this honor than Dr. Martin Luther King, the so-called civil rights organizations, and all the Black preachers combined, because Malcolm X truly stood for the advancement of Black people, Malcolm X is truly honorable. Malcolm X believed in fighting back should anyone illegally and unwarrantedly violate the rights of truly innocent Black people.

Heck, Corretta Scott King, Dexter King, etc., are two busy riding the tide of success of the "Great, Great, Great, Great, Great, .......Great Dr. Martin Luther King to have compassion, speak up for, and/or stand tall in behalf of the many truly innocent Black people jailed, fined, and/or executed, for someone like me to have any admiration for Dr. Martin Luther King.

Thank you "Cedric the Entertainer", the supporting cast, and/or all the behind the scenes indivivuals of the movie "Barbershop", for giving praise to the many unsong heroes of Black America, over and/or above the media made ones.

Rosa Parks, Dr. Martin Luther King, Reverend Jesse Jackson, etc. are media made by the major media networks of Caucasian America, and not Black America. The true heroes of Black America, such as a Malcolm X, and the many unsung heroes, have yet to receive such acclaim. However, such acclaim although important, is not the driving force behind each of these individuals. The enthusiam, the drive, the benevolence comes from their loyalty to the community of Black America, to which these individuals could care less if the major media networks ever honored them.

It is a fact that, generally speaking, those of Black America glorified by the media are not the true heroes of Black America. The true heroes of Black America could care less if they ever received the first "atta boy" or "atta girl" from any outside interests, because their reward comes from the success stories of those of Black America who they have helped to rise above poverty, oppression, etc.

"I should note that the two individuals that I selected are heroes to many people all around the globe. Their ideas and methods have been used by peoples and social movements around the world. And the world has been changed as a result. (I assume that, as a conservative, you have to admit that the fall of repressive regimes of eastern Europe and the soviet empire was a good thing. Now, if only we can use those same tools to avoid the creation of an american empire." by ricardomath

I'm willing to bet should you bring this viewpoint into any prison facility within the U.S. which illegally incarcerates truly innocent Black men and/or women, those adversely affected will not place as much value in the above quotation as those who make these claims, that the United States of America is better off as a result of the "King Movement", and/or the "Ghandi Movement".

In my own lifetime I've been illegally fined and/or incarcerated, on multiple occasions, and neither the "King Movement", any Civil Rights organization, the "Ghandi Movement", had a hand in clearing my good name, filing a claim for redress for the atrocities of government seriously gone awry, or any other petition to reverse the damage done.

In addition to my own effort to clear my good name, my greatest allies have been and still are my immediate family, and not the NAACP, any Dr. Martin Luther King March for Freedom Movement, Push, Core, the Ghandi Movement, etc. It is is certain that the many individuals falsely accused and/or incarcerated would not share your sentiments, pertaining to their lives being any better as a result of any "King Movement", or "Ghandi Movement".

If not for untiring effort on the part of the Nation of Islam, Centurion Ministries, the many unsung heroes, and/or the perseverance of the many truly innocent law abiding U.S. citizens of Black American heritage adversely impacted by this foolishness, many individuals who have been released from illegal and unwarranted lock down would still be looking at bars from the inside out.

In many proven instances, truly innocent U.S. citizens of Black American heritage are under the repressive regime of "Un-Equal Justice and Protection Under the Law" of the judicial system within the United States of America. So much for the worldly social movement, the King Movement, the Ghandi movement, because so far such a movement has yet to bring any real change, considering the "Cold Reality" that many truly innocent Black men and women rot in prison.

I do however admire the untiring effort of the N.O.I., Centurion Ministries. The N.O.I., and/or Centurion Ministries have truly stepped up to the plate to assist, represent, and/or to free Black men and/or women who have been illegally incarcerated, etc.

The number of truly innocent Black men and/or women falsely accused, executed, fined, jailed, etc., is at an all time high. In the year 2003, untold numbers of truly innocent Black men and women, rot is prison because of overzealous criminal prosecutors, incompetent Black elected officials, perjured testimony of juries, unfair judicial decision, incompetent defense attorneys, rogue police officers, "unequal justice and protection under the law" etc.

This world movement may have improved the quality of life of Europeans, and/or others, but is has yet to bring any real change as it relates to issues of "Equity in Court", "Equal Justice and Protection Under the Law", into the lives of many truly innocent U.S. citizens of Black American heritage who face this devastating music.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on June 01, 2003 at 07:39 PM.]
quote:
This is your statement not mine.

No, but these are your statements, which perhaps I have misinterpreted.

(1) This is not your issue.

(2) You are not in any way a voice for Black America.

(3) Your place is with the Caucasian community, and not here.

(4) Thus your place is with Caucasian America, pertaining to the definition and selection of Caucasian American heroes, and not here, as it pertains to defining or selecting any of Black America's heroes.

As for (1), I don't know to what "this" refers. You invited my comments on this particular issue by posting a link to this particular thread. Why? So that you could tell me that it was not my issue?

As for (2), I made no such claim in the post that you are responding to, so I'm not sure of your point.

As for (3), I'm unsure of what you mean here. Could you expand on this? (perhaps point (4) is the expansion?)

As for (4), I'm not sure why you are telling me this. I am no more able to speak for White America, than I am able to speak for Black America. What I can do is to speak for myself on an issue upon which you invited my viewpoint by posting that link to this specific thread.

"La vida te da sorpresas...
Sorpresas te da la vida...",
¡Ay, Dios!

Rubén Blades---Pedro Navaja


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School of the Americas Watch

ricardomath,

"Looks like we've both seen the bars from the inside." by ricardomath

Now that you have said this, were you a prison guard or an inmate?

It is certain that you were not a prison inmate, because it is highly unlikely that any prison inmate would be given the privilege, right, or opportunity to teach mathematics in any public or private educational facility. Anyone convicted of a felony is subject to losing the right to hold a license to practice law or medicine, teach, etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I know that you have stated that you are a mathematician, but do you in any way have any connection to the Caucasian LAPD Officers who left Simi Valley, shortly after the "Rodney King" trial to relocate themselves to Iowa?

The pressure of criminal indictment, loss of their career in the LAPD police department, etc., were incentive to drive more than a few Caucasian LAPD officers to move to Iowa, to which as compared to other states few Black people live in the states of Iowa, Montana, Idaho, etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on June 01, 2003 at 07:08 AM.]
Nah, Ricardomath; I don't read the posts more carefully, it's just that comment was like a shot between the eyes. It stood out to me. I couldn't imagine an African-in-America thanking Caucasians-in-America for the PRIVILEGE of LIVING in the U.S., as if we had a CHOICE in the matter. Like it has been a joy to be called every name in the book, compared to gorillas and horses, arriving in a country butt naked, being whipped like dogs, having our story erased, being called aunt and uncle, mammy, stupid first names without any last names, swinging from trees with genitalia stuffed in mouths, and on and on and on to the point we're at today and thanking Caucasians for the PRIVILEGE of living in America when THEY came from Europe and slaughtered the original inhabitants (Native Americans) to live here themselves. There must be something in the water in Los Angles to make an "African" individual make such a statement. You know, take all the humans away from their so-called countries, boundaries, etc., folks are just folks. We don't all think the same or dress the same or act the same, but we're all human beings. With the Caucasian mind-set, it makes it hard for many people just to LIVE. I'm not into thanking them for anything other than not putting any family members in prison or their graves as of this typing. I'll thank them for that and any "off the heezy Africans" too, while I'm at it.
Norland,

There is something in the water out here. I am from Texas...and people can say what they like about the stupid TV images of us back there that develop their minds, but this place is a bastion for blacks with counter-to-black-self-interest-views, conservatism, eurocentricty or the differentation of themselves as a "different from the rest of them" black and the whole nine. I think integrating earlier than the rest of the country gave them a false percpetion of "having arrived" so they just faded black thinking exclusively.

Don't get me wrong, there are progressive brothers and sisters here who are socially and politically conscious....but for the most part, they adopt white views, blame the mexicans and themselves for everything bad that happens to us...and not the bigger picture of systematic poverty created via adverse legislation and racist political practices that create the environments we see. Plus the individualism thing based on materialism as a basis of self-adequacy is way out of control......

Noah or Faheem once had a great post about the cause of a sickness versus symptoms.......these people out here look at symptoms as a cause of way things are and not the true causes that brought about the symptoms themselves.

Once again, there are many progressive brothers and sisters here....but i have never seen so many confused blacks in my life...they even were supporting prop 209, some of us......Now that is really ironic, especially since they like to promote themselves as the true progressive blacks and everyone else as slow backwoods people who LA is too fast for.....puleeze. I am wondering if this place missed the impact of the historical social roles HBCU's played in the black existence........
Kevin41 ....

First of all, I can't believe that we are living in each other's hometowns and both of us wishes we were home!! LOL Turns out the world is very small afterall! Smile

But secondly, you couldn't be more right in your assessment of the Black people where you are! Everything you said is absolutely true. We did miss the "historical boat" so to speak. Blacks in California (or L.A. at least) did not grow up knowing of racial prejudice on any kind of measurable scale. We lived pretty much segregated and kept to our own, but outlandish acts of hatred and violence on a racial level were pretty far removed. The "struggle" was not so much in being Black as it was just competing to have it as good as the next person .... and yes, those next people were pretty much the White folks! Progression was pretty much the mantra, and we didn't have the adverse White Supremacy overtone that prevail (even to this day) in the South. It is indeed a whole other world as far as the mindset of the two societies go! Eek

However, such irony is seen in the way the two places saw and resolved the Affirmative Action situation. Just shortly after moving here, while my eyes were just beginning to roll around in my head as I wondered just exactly where I had landed .... the city of Houston, led by a very Caucasian Democratic mayor by the name of Robert "Bob" Lanier (who knew he had the Black vote, but successfully mobilized enough of the White vote as well), overwhelmingly voted to keep the Affirmative Action laws governing city and county contracts on the books!! I was like Eek Eek!! This was just months after I had helplessly watched from here the same rules and laws go down in flames for the city of Los Angeles!! Ward Connelly had planned to take his West Coast victory and come South with it, and then head east!! And when he lost here, it stopped him dead in his tracks! And I had to step back and take notice of this place!

I believe there is one HBCU in the entire state. And back when bussing was mandated, there may have been some grumbling, but we were promptly packed into buses and it was "let the integration begin!" I thought southern hospitality was a fairy tale before I moved down here. We watched the civil rights fight with horror from our TV sets ... and sympathized, but couldn't really relate. Perhaps that's why the race riots we did have were so intense ... because the kind of behavior that started them were so incredulous to us. And the racism that we did experience was so subtly done over a long period of time that is didn't cause a bunch of little ripples ... but an entire storm all at once! Roll Eyes

Anyway, you don't have to ponder your reasons why you look around and see what you see ... you've hit all your nails square on their heads on this one! Big Grin

[This message was edited by EbonyRose on June 02, 2003 at 09:04 PM.]
Ricardomath ...

California's Prop 209 was the Affirmative Action measure that I mentioned above with respect to L.A. .... here in TX, it was known as Proposition A. The basic language of it was essentially this:

* Prohibits the state, local governments, districts, public universities, colleges, and schools, and other government instrumentalities from discriminating against or giving preferential treatment to any individual or group in public employment, public education, or public contracting on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin.

And here is a great story on what happened here in Houston: Link It's kinda long, but a great read! Smile
EbonyRose,

I was hoping to read your post saying what it did. I think I am pretty perceptive in terms of what I am seeing when I look at things from a sociopolitical perspective. I can see why you would want to be in LA...it is your home and is a great city in many respects. My thing I guess are friends, family, the cost of living and being a PVAMU grad. I miss my interaction in those respects, but if I had to come to Cally to do it all again, I would.


Yeah, I left Texas in 1984 and it was mostly blk and wht with things divided along those lines...the political and demographic changes blew me away also, especially when lanier helped the brown campaigns. I never would have "thunk" it. There was a stink when he (lanier)ran originally against some young brother, sylvester turner i think...there was supposedly some scandal where his girl came out and said he had a gay lover and supported the lanier camp instead....some said he put her up to it.....but yes I remember when lanier told ward to take that chit back west. it was so sad to see a white man argue on behalf of AA and have to tell a black conservative bootlicker what he was doing would be harmful to his own.........so i too understand your..... Eek Eek.....bigtime

Thanks for validating what I THOUGHT I was seeing. california has always institutional racism as opposed to blatant vioelnt social racism on the surface like other places....but I have had older blacks tell me how they could not cross main street in the 60's after dark and the whole nine......but the proposition system here has been shang-hai-ed by racists over the last years.....to the extent that court review may be required before placing them on the ballot in the future....the last 4 propositions were harmful to blacks, latinos and american indians....and all sponsored by conservative whites.....and did them no harm....and to think some black people try to defend their azzes......wow


ward is at it again with the racial privacy intiative....where no racial data is collected....which in turn makes discrimination or efforts to curtail it immeasurable........he's a sad piece of doo doo....he really is......
Kevin41, EbonyRose, and/or anyone else of similar mindset.

"I don't really have a damn thing to say to you but since you like to act like a little pu_ _y and call names.....Don't let me being a professor bother you so much. It is just a part-time job that you seem to make a bigger deal out of then I do....but if that is your thing, just knock yourself out." ....That makes two of us. I could care less as to what you may think of me, and vise versa.

Yes you can say what you like and others have the same right to tell you why you sound like a f-king retard" ....Another fine dissertation by the infamous Kevin40Ounce

"Thank you Caucasian America for the privilege of being a U.S. citizen" by Norland

....at least if you are going to quote me, quote the entire statement and not just a fragment of the statement, because the fragment does not carry the same meaning as the full statement.

"Thank you Caucasian America for the privilege of being a U.S. citizen, in that, freedom of expression, and/or other U.S. Constitutional protections shall not be abridged or denied, unless waived or lost as a result of criminal wrongdoing.

Heck, it would be interesting to know what would happen, or what degree of unwarranted dismissal of written or spoken language would be in store, if the Kevin40ounces of Black America, were large and in charge, as it pertains to freedom of expression issues. Judging by the responses as shared by Kevin41, freedom of expression would be denied or abridged, in the event any so-called Professor Kevin40Ounce and the likes, had any say or authority. Again Kevin-40-Ounce with more "mouth to the ounce", ..... this "so called Professor" has no jurisdiction over me or anyone else, as it pertains to freedom of expression. Should I post information on 1000 message boards, or newspapers, again this would be my option, and not any "Kevin 40 Ounce" or otherwise." by Lofton

"If anyone needs to be THANKED, it's the NATIVE AMERICANS, some of the most BEAUTIFUL people on the planet. Come to Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and see for yourself. Afterall, these were THEIR lands and the spirits still abound. Once a year (Schmitzen) they gather from all over the country in their tribal finery and the sight is just breathtaking/majestic!!!!!" by Norland

No doubt, this was the land of the Native American Indians. However, as reality would have it, land belongs to no one. God created the "Heavens, the Other Planets, and the Planet Earth". Those strong enough to hold land maintain temporary possession of land because:

A. Man or Woman will soon perish, they don't live forever.

B. The possession of land will pass to some other individuals, be it through victory of war, payment in assets, etc.

C. Loss through a devastating natural dissaster such as a huge "Earth Quake", Flooding, Volcanic erruption, etc.

Can't discuss the past at it relates to the Native American Indians controlling the America's when such a past does not exist in the year 2003. It would behoove an individual to use the resources of today to acquire, possess, and/or to protect property rights, because relying on the plight of Native American culture will not help you to protect your rights within the "Great U.S of A. Should anyone doubt this just try using the plight of Native American Indians, and/or any other irrelevant response to prove your claim in any court proceeding, to which you already have valid information to prove your claim, and I guarantee you, the use of irrelevant information will destroy your chance of winning.

What sovereign governments on this planet have Black people come up with that can compare with the U.S., in terms of citizenship protections? Don't all answer at once. Should any of you detractors come up with so much as one country that Black people control, which can measure up to anything within the U.S., Michael Lofton, will refrain from making so much as one more posting on this message board.

Heck, in Haiti, an individual can be illegally incarcerated for years, before having so much as a trial, or to be faced by his or her accuser. In many countries across Black Africa, where Black people are "Large and In Charge" there is so much political unrest and bloodshed, that your chances of survival as a Black man, woman, or child, would be about as good as a slow moving fully loaded one hundred car freight train running over someone being forced to lie across railroad tracks in the path of the train.

Should you speak out against an oppressive government in any one of these countries, as it pertains to Haiti, Uganda, Mozambique, the Sudan, the Ivory Coast, etc., again your chances of survival would be between slim an nil.

Those of Black America, who have such disdain for being under the control of the sovereignty of the U.S., which is indeed the greatest nation on the planet with regard to citizenship rights protections, you are not bound in chains to remain in the United States of America, like the African slaves who were brought here. The door of opportunity is wide open to anyone of you to relocate to the Sudan, Haiti, the Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Ghana, Pakistan, Cuba, China, the Philippines, etc. It is certain that should you jump through this "Hoop" of indifference, each of you would be begging for just one last chance to return to the U.S., solely for the benefit of what it means to be a U.S. citizen.

The U.S. Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, etc., define the institution of government and the government's duty to serve the people within the U.S. The institution and establishment of these very important documents, etc., are Caucasian America's doing, to which each of these documents is well written, and are very valuable in terms of what it means to be a U.S. citizen.

Black America's own leadership, and/or some U.S. citizens of Black American heritage who devalue the meaning of what it means to be a citizen within the United States of America, can only blame themselves for not insuring that this document means something in our community.

Heck, should any truly law abiding U.S. citizen attempt to use the Constitution of the United States, specifically as it pertains to the "Bill of Right", "Tort issues", etc, to petition former Councilperson Nate Holden, using false pretenses to hold elected office 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne B. Burke, Congresspersons Diane Watson or Maxine Waters, Non U.S. citizen Merv Dymally, and/or many other Black elected leaders who hold office within the jurisdictions to which Black people reside, these individuals:

D. Prefer to plays games.

E. are Sleazy.

F. Will destroy your petition for redress, by trashing the petition in a waste basket.

G. Bend over backwards to align themselves with every other ethnic group but those of Black America who have been violated.

H. Summons the policing authorities to arrest you, for having the gall to petition them for redress of a government very seriously gone awry.

I. will agree to an appointment to resolve the issue, and on the date and time of the appointment, have their administrative assistant make statements such as, "the elected office holder concerned is not in", "ie., Nate Holden, Yvonne B. Burke, etc., etc, just left the office, but he or she should return shortly". You wait perhaps an hour, and still the elected office holder has not returned. No sooner than you leave, after being deceived, the administrative assistant being the "lookout" informs the elected office holder who has been hiding in some back office room, that the "Coast is Now Clear", that he or she can now come out of hiding, now that the petitioner has left the premises.

This is one of many sleazy acts, that Black America's own elected leaders play on the truly law abiding of Black America who petition them for redress of a government in serious violation of the law.

J. Side with the wrongdoers before they will stand up and be counted in the name of being ethical.

K. to which the blame rests solely on the shoulders of our own elected leadership more so, than any wrong doing on the part of Caucasian America, or otherwise.

It certainly does little good to complain about the vestibule of slavery long past, to which the only slavery that exists in the year 2003, is that which Black people place on each other.

That's All Folks!

Michael Lofton

[This message was edited by Lofton on June 03, 2003 at 10:26 PM.]

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