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So then you favor an annual tax on all US citizens and businesses.

My only reservation with that is that I don't think the very wealthy beneficiaries of slave labor would be paying their "rightful" share. The strain would be born by the middle/working class. So they would pay this extra tax and then get a little reparations money and be right back at square one.

But at the same time, I think it's probably the easiest and most palatable source of funding.

I can't really make up my mind, but if I had to consider nothing else but my whims, I'd say an annual tax on white people.
First of all, I would've included an "all of the above" option Frenchy. It's so hard to choose just one! lol Seriously, I think that the restitution issue will never go away until all debts are paid in full. I think we are still deciding how that debt should be paid in full.
I would like to see funds come directly from the people, governments and businesses that profited and continue to profit from legalized slavery of the past and of today.
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Originally posted by Shango67:

How about a category called "The Fat Chance, Stop Dreaming Negro, and Build Your Own Collective Wealth" fund?


I think we have a better shot now at reparations than any reasonable person could have thought Africans had at being emancipated and blended into society (however imperfectly) at the turn of the 19th century.
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Originally posted by Shango67:

How about a category called "The Fat Chance, Stop Dreaming Negro, and Build Your Own Collective Wealth" fund?


I think we have a better shot now at reparations than any reasonable person could have thought Africans had at being emancipated and blended into society (however imperfectly) at the turn of the 19th century.

Both are quixotic concepts.

**Sorry - I clicked the wrong button to reply to you.**
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Shango67:

How about a category called "The Fat Chance, Stop Dreaming Negro, and Build Your Own Collective Wealth" fund?


I think we have a better shot now at reparations than any reasonable person could have thought Africans had at being emancipated and blended into society (however imperfectly) at the turn of the 19th century.


I don't think so. An example of restitution that was ordered by the federal government was the payment of money to black farmers who were actively discriminated against in getting loans to save their farms. The judgement was for the Department of Agriculture to pay the farmers. As of last the judgement against the Department of Agriculture has not been paid in full. As a matter of fact, some black farmers marched down ot D.C. in 2004 to demand payment in full. This story was ONLY covered by black press.
This is a clear example of misconduct on part of the American government that affected only African-Americans, it was proven in a court of law, restitution was ordered and STILL has not been paid. This was only a few million dollars. How do you think that companies, governments and individuals would react to losing a potential of billions of dollars?
I don't think they're going to come up off that kind of money at ANY time in history. Sorry MBM
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First of all, I would've included an "all of the above" option Frenchy. It's so hard to choose just one! lol


*Yemaya approaches every white person she sees with a clipboard.*

"Sir, have you or any one in your family tree ever own slaves, benefitted from slave labor, knew someone who owned slaves and didn't criticize them in any way, laughed during a showing of 'Roots', or ever used the phrase 'What's the big deal? Slavery is over'?"

"You have?"

*Fills out an invoice.*

"Please remit your payment immediately."


laugh

There really are a whole lot of people that should be getting a bill if we are going to narrow it down to who rightfully deserves to pay.

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How about a category called "The Fat Chance, Stop Dreaming Negro, and Build Your Own Collective Wealth" fund?

Then you feel Black people should pay for reparations. How? An annual fee based on income mailed to a Black organization? Where does the money for the Fat Chance Fund come from?
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Then you feel Black people should pay for reparations. How? An annual fee based on income mailed to a Black organization?

Actually, I am against the movement and do not support it.


Are you against it because you feel it is an impractical/impossible challenge or because you disagree that slave descendants deserve it?
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Then you feel Black people should pay for reparations. How? An annual fee based on income mailed to a Black organization?

Actually, I am against the movement and do not support it.


Are you against it because you feel it is an impractical/impossible challenge or because you disagree that slave descendants deserve it?

Impractical, impossible and a supreme waste of talent, time, and human resources.
Even if you are against the movement, you clearly feel that Black people are owed something and are functioning at some sort of handicap (otherwise we wouldn't need the Fat Chance Fund). What I want to know is where this money in your opinion should come from. How does Black America get the money to improve our situation?
I can't answer your question Frenchie cause I disagree with part of the premise... The "handicap" is mostly due to our inability to reject non-liberating ideology such as integration and assimilation - and therefore, there isn't any amount or combination of land or money that can lead to Black empowerment.

Okay... let me ask this question.

What are the goals and objectives of the movement?
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I can't answer your question Frenchie cause I disagree with part of the premise... The "handicap" is mostly due to our inability to reject non-liberating ideology such as integration and assimilation


Okay, but the other part of it is fiscal, no? How does Black America "get its money straight?" bsm
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Originally posted by Shango67:
I can't answer your question Frenchie cause I disagree with part of the premise... The "handicap" is mostly due to our inability to reject non-liberating ideology such as integration and assimilation


Okay, but the other part of it is fiscal, no? How does Black America "get its money straight?" bsm

In a capitalist society, the only way to get our money straight is to move from consumer to producer. The movement does not address this issue. In fact, it is a monetary issue and not a fiscal one. It does not make any sense to put MORE money into the hands of people who are already consumer driven and motivated.
The definition of fiscal I am using is "having to do with finances" not the definition partaining to government finances.

I very much agree that any upward movement in a capitalist society must address controlling goods/industry. Which is why I want to know how you think Black people go about doing this. Where specifically does the money for improvement come from in a perfect world, if you could instantly think and make it so?

I'm not speaking on behalf of any movement. Smile

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