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At first, I thought 'blaqfist' was being harsh.

But now, I wondering.

What you are saying is that this acknowledgement would be something new.

It would appear it is you who have not been paying attention.

African American acknowledges exactlly what you are arguing for.

African American IS NOT simply about color. Have you been walking around with your eyes closed?

Americans who are African American are the children of native-born People of unknown African ancestry, AND are frequently the product of unions with a wide variety of other people of (unknown African ancestry), and often in added combination with people of European, and/or American Native, and/or etc.

I think your goal could be applied to persons like the current example in the public eye Barak Obama who is Kenyan and Irish-American AND is therefore NOT African American.

Now that's a distinction with a difference.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by Brown:
Curious as to what each of you have running through your blood.

I know society identify's you as African American based on the color of your skin but why don't we embrace who we truly are?

For me, I can trace my blood to Africa, Native American, and Ireland.

I'm an American in the truest sense of the word. I represent the diversity that America prides itself on. I remember when Tiger Woods corrected a reporter saying that he wasn't African American but multicultured and how the black community erupted in anger, frustration, and ignorance.

There were two sides of the argument and I could agree with both but the upper hand went to Tiger b/c that's how HE defined himself instead of society.

I believe some of us are afraid to embrace our whole identity b/c it may mean embracing the slave master but if that's what it takes to break free from the bond of ingorance then some of us have our work cut out for us.


Your momma's in my blood.
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I believe some of us are afraid to embrace our whole identity b/c it may mean embracing the slave master but if that's what it takes to break free from the bond of ingorance then some of us have our work cut out for us.



statements like that and the entire jist of your "argument" kinda' blames blaq people for our predicament.

it's just insulting.

i say i am black/african/sankofan; because if i tried to show up at the german "side" of my families 4th of july pic'nic, they would probably call security.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
Hmmm... curious.

So, if all blood is Black blood...

How can there be any dilution at all? 19


You're not really curious..... you're baiting... to make your own point....it's cool though....

*grabbing bait*

however... I didn't say ALL FLUID was black blood....

dilution occurs through the addition of a solvent... thereby "diminishing the strength, flavor and brilliance" of the original...

but since it seems it will be necessary to be basic.... my statement wasn't meant to be taken so literally... it was a tongue in cheek slap at the silliness of the intent behind the question itself...

anything can be diluted.... with another foreign substance of a suitable consistency... dear brother...where you can sorta see its foundation... but ya hafta look harder..... most solutions are defined by the dominant property e.g. SALTwater, however if the process continues thereafter the solution eventually no longer remains a mixture...it becomes something else entirely...


just a comment.... that "others" seemed to get....

*removing the hook now*

lol


V
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Originally posted by virtue:
however... I didn't say ALL FLUID was black blood....

No, you didn't. But, we're not talking about ALL FLUID here. We're talking about blood... right?

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dilution occurs through the addition of a solvent... thereby "diminishing the strength, flavor and brilliance" of the original...

You're so cute when attempt to get all scientific.

So, since we ARE talking about blood...

How does blood act as a solvent upon itself? Hmmm?

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but since it seems it will be necessary to be basic.... my statement wasn't meant to be taken so literally...

laugh

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it was a tongue in cheek slap at the silliness of the intent behind the question itself...

I agree with you here. It was a tongue in cheek slap... but that slap had nothing to do with the question.

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anything can be diluted.... with another foreign substance of a suitable consistency...

Are we still talking about blood here?

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dear brother...where you can sorta see its foundation... but ya hafta look harder..... most solutions are defined by the dominant property e.g. SALTwater, however if the process continues thereafter the solution eventually no longer remains a mixture...it becomes something else entirely...


just a comment.... that "others" seemed to get....

Oh yes... dear Sister. Don't ever forget to put the quote marks around the "others".
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
No, you didn't. But, we're not talking about ALL FLUID here. We're talking about blood... right?


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You're so cute when attempt to get all scientific.

So, since we ARE talking about blood...

How does blood act as a solvent upon itself? Hmmm?


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I agree with you here. It was a tongue in cheek slap... but that slap had nothing to do with the question.


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Are we still talking about blood here?


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Oh yes... dear Sister. Don't ever forget to put the quote marks around the "others".


You're so cute when you take the bait...
Big Grin

V
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
you can count on me to "take it" anywhere I please.


Okay

I tend to back out of discussions when I feel the person I'm dealing with has motives which have nothing to do with sincere dialogue....

I try not to deal with people who have vendettas....

It's better to bow out than explain things to someone who really doesn't want an explanation, they just want to pick at you....

So, if it is your wish to consistently turn a discussion into personal attacks, because I refuse to give further explanation, I understand...

Just know that I don't have to engage them....

Big Grin
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Originally posted by virtue:
I tend to back out of discussions when I feel the person I'm dealing with has motives which have nothing to do with sincere dialogue....

I try not to deal with people who have vendettas....

It's better to bow out than explain things to someone who really doesn't want an explanation, they just want to pick at you....

So, if it is your wish to consistently turn a discussion into personal attacks, because I refuse to give further explanation, I understand...

Just know that I don't have to engage them....

Big Grin

Oh please...

All I did was point out the inherent contradiction in your statement.

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Originally posted by virtue:
All blood is black blood....

some have more dilution than others...

Both of these things cannot be true.

Either...

A) All blood is not Black blood

or...

B) Any amount of dilution by mixing blood is impossible

Let me know when you've made up your mind.
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
Let me know when you've made up your mind.


I have made up my mind.... and this is my last post to you.... and I'm only responding... so it will be clear...

I have a "history" with you on this site... therefore, knowing that you and I fundamentally disagree with much of what I hold dear....I really don't consider anything you ask to be a quest for sincere dialogue (not with me).....

so...

When you ask me questions now, my goal has been to deflect and be as lighthearted as possible... when I feel that doesn't work, I try to bow out, regardless as to whether or not my point was made....

Instead of engaging you lightheartedly I should've ignored you..... advice that's been given to me more than once...

I will not make this mistake again....

V
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Originally posted by virtue:
I have a "history" with you on this site... therefore, knowing that you and I fundamentally disagree with much of what I hold dear....I really don't consider anything you ask to be a quest for sincere dialogue (not with me).....

I see. So, because we fundamentally disagree with much of what you hold dear, there can be no dialogue. Got it.

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Instead of engaging you lightheartedly I should've ignored you..... advice that's been given to me more than once...

I will not make this mistake again....

Neither will I.
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Originally posted by blaqfist:
quote:
I believe some of us are afraid to embrace our whole identity b/c it may mean embracing the slave master but if that's what it takes to break free from the bond of ingorance then some of us have our work cut out for us.



statements like that and the entire jist of your "argument" kinda' blames blaq people for our predicament.

it's just insulting.

i say i am black/african/sankofan; because if i tried to show up at the german "side" of my families 4th of july pic'nic, they would probably call security.

God forbid us blacks are responsible for our current predicament... Roll Eyes

I don't see you boycotting radio stations that play negative content music that degrads our women and enourages our young men to take up arms against each other.

I don't see you slamming these black politicians for selling out our community.

I don't see you pressing for public school reform in our communitys.

Face it, we are in the predicament we are in b/c we are too lazy to get up, get out, and do something. It's a lot easier to sit in a nice cool office and revolutionize on a computer though. Microwave society at it's finest.
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Originally posted by Brown:
quote:
Originally posted by virtue:
All blood is black blood....

some have more dilution than others...



V

Technically all blood is blue...but I get your point.

Touche' lol.... I like that.... just a bit of sarcasm is all....

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I just don't see the need to raise a fist for any one ethnicity if that same fist is a mixture of many ethnicity's.


I can't help you with why you don't see a need to raise a fist.... I'm learning very quickly not to waste too much energy explaining it to those who are not ready or willing to consider that their method of success for the upliftment of our people may not be the best prism to assess our climb....

yet.... just be sure, dear brother, that you continue to fight (whatever injustices, internally or externally, you think hinder us as a people).... in whatever way you deem fit.... we don't have to fight the same way.... or even necessarily view the fight the same way....just remember to guard yourself and try not to get punched as you refuse to raise a fist...


Peace....
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Originally posted by virtue:
I can't help you with why you don't see a need to raise a fist.... I'm learning very quickly not to waste too much energy explaining it to those who are not ready or willing to consider that their method of success for the upliftment of our people may not be the best prism to assess our climb....

yet.... just be sure, dear brother, that you continue to fight (whatever injustices, internally or externally, you think hinder us as a people).... in whatever way you deem fit.... we don't have to fight the same way.... or even necessarily view the fight the same way....just remember to guard yourself and try not to get punched as you refuse to raise a fist...


Peace....

I'm not as concerned about the african american community as I am about civilization as a whole.
There are single white female parents that struggle just as some Latino's and blacks.
There are white men in prison just as there are blacks and asians.
There are prominant blacks with poltical and economic power just as there are whites and indians.
We have the opportunity here in america to change our own fortunes and squander them as we see fit.
It's the people in these rundown, section 8 community's that are to blame for it's condition. Not some white man on capitol hill.
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Originally posted by Brown:
I'm not as concerned about the african american community as I am about civilization as a whole.
There are single white female parents that struggle just as some Latino's and blacks.
There are white men in prison just as there are blacks and asians.
There are prominant blacks with poltical and economic power just as there are whites and indians.
We have the opportunity here in america to change our own fortunes and squander them as we see fit.
It's the people in these rundown, section 8 community's that are to blame for it's condition. Not some white man on capitol hill.


I assumed as much, I've read your other postings here...

I understand humanism.... and your concern for ALL people....

When you get around to responding to an issue that solely focuses on Black folks....

I'm simply saying you have an ally regardless of your "general" stance...

Unless you can't possibly see that happening... then as I've stated before...

this conversation is a waste of both our time..

Peace.....
quote:
Originally posted by virtue:
I assumed as much, I've read your other postings here...

I understand humanism.... and your concern for ALL people....

When you get around to responding to an issue that solely focuses on Black folks....

I'm simply saying you have an ally regardless of your "general" stance...

Unless you can't possibly see that happening... then as I've stated before...

this conversation is a waste of both our time..

Peace.....

What issues do African Americans face that no other race hasn't faced or is not facing right now?

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