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*What is God to you? - a spirit? a consciousness? a myth? a human being? something else?

*If you believe in God where is He? -in the air? in space? on earth? in your imagination? not physically located?


* Who is He? - a woman? Jesus? MFM? Buddha? Vishnu?

* How do you communicate with Him if you believe in His existence? - prayer? meditation? signs? rituals? intuition? sacred text?

*What benefit do you derive from this personally?


*How do you know its God?

* What do you expect the outcome purpose of your life to be?


Excuse me if this has been asked before..... but may I have your opinion please?



Peace,
Virtue
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I'm not quite sure if I know who or what God is or even if it makes sense to define him... I'm formally an agnostic...

But I find that when I stop complicating things by thinking about them too hard... when I just live my life the best way that I can... then I find the strangest sense of purpose and unity to life... Situations work out the way they should - not always favorable to me - but there is a rightness that prevails...

I meditate ... and the purpose of meditation (for me) is to help me to live in the present... to achieve clarity and awareness...

My obligation to God? ... To live a life of awareness devoted to the truth as best I understand it... 'Truth' is higher than God because without the love of Truth one cannot desire to truly know God... and to strive for justice in the world....

I find divine thoughts in all sacred texts ... I'm especially fond of Buddhist sutras.... but I've also read the Bible and Koran... the Upanishads and the Gita...

For me these books are poems about thoughts that are otherwise too deep to express... you cannot capture or fully express the infinite in finite words... You can only suggest... hint... point the way....

I also find intimations of the divine in art, in science, in music, in the beauty of woman, and in the laughter of children...

The Bible says "I AM THAT I AM"... I think "IT IS AS IT IS" is closer to my sense of things... 'God' is everything and everyone and no thing at all...

I could have given a more "philosophical" answer... and there have been threads with a more abstract philosophical bent... but I find abstract intellectual approaches to this question ultimately unenlightening.. in fact, they can lead one further from the path....

So I chose to give a more 'poetic' response here...
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- What is God to you? The Creator, a spirit
- Who is He? The name given several times in the Holy Bible is masculine.
- How do you communicate with Him if you believe in His existence? He speaks through the Holy Bible and gives instructions via casting lots. I pray several times daily.
- What benefit do you derive from this personally? An abundant life
- How do you know its God? Things that has happened in my life.
- What do you expect the outcome purpose of your life to be? An eternal existence in his presence
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Originally posted by virtue:

*What is God to you? - a spirit? a consciousness? a myth? a human being? something else?

God is all... noun, verb, and adjective.

The description I believe works best is that of a man walking on a path. God is the man, the path, and the action of walking.

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Originally posted by virtue:
*If you believe in God where is He? -in the air? in space? on earth? in your imagination? not physically located?

See above.

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Originally posted by virtue:
* Who is He? - a woman? Jesus? MFM? Buddha? Vishnu?

The word "who" implies a singularity. I don't believe this applies to God. The Tao Te Ching describes the Tao (translation: Path) as empty and full. Like a drinking glass... the solidness is full, but the emptiness between the solid portions allow it to be usable. Same with a wheel... the spokes and rim are solid, but the empty space in between is what makes it usable. The Tao is both yin and yang.

This is how the Tao is described, but the Tao is not God. The Tao is the path to God. That is why I never refer to the Tao as God. God is "nameless". God cannot be labled, only experienced.

The only reason I ever use the word God, is because if I did not no one would have any clue what I was talking about. bsm

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Originally posted by virtue:
* How do you communicate with Him if you believe in His existence? - prayer? meditation? signs? rituals? intuition? sacred text?

Meditation. I ask for knowledge of God's will for me, and then I await a response.

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Originally posted by virtue:
*What benefit do you derive from this personally?

As an individual person, I am only intimately aware of two wills... mine and God's. Attemting to force my will on the world around me leads to confusion, fear, anger, hatred, and suffering. On the other hand, executing God's will brings clarity, courage, happiness, love, and peace.

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*How do you know its God?

By the results.

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* What do you expect the outcome purpose of your life to be?

I have no expectations regarding this. Surely, my life has purpose... but, I need not know what it is for me to accomplish it. I will do God's work, whether I want to or not. The more I resist, the longer the work takes... even if it takes more than this lifetime. When the work is done, then I will leave. bsm
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by virtue:

*What is God to you? - a spirit? a consciousness? a myth? a human being? something else?

God is all... noun, verb, and adjective.

The description I believe works best is that of a man walking on a path. God is the man, the path, and the action of walking.

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Originally posted by virtue:
*If you believe in God where is He? -in the air? in space? on earth? in your imagination? not physically located?

See above.

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Originally posted by virtue:
* Who is He? - a woman? Jesus? MFM? Buddha? Vishnu?

The word "who" implies a singularity. I don't believe this applies to God. The Tao Te Ching describes the Tao (translation: Path) as empty and full. Like a drinking glass... the solidness is full, but the emptiness between the solid postions allow it to be usable. Same with a wheel... the spokes and rim are solid, but the empty space in between is what makes it usable. The Tao is both yin and yang.

This is how the Tao is described, but the Tao is not God. The Tao is the path to God. That is why I never refer to the Tao as God. God is "nameless". God cannot be labled, only experienced.

The only reason I ever use the word God, is because if I did not no one would have any clue what I was talking about. bsm

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Originally posted by virtue:
* How do you communicate with Him if you believe in His existence? - prayer? meditation? signs? rituals? intuition? sacred text?

Meditation. I ask for knowledge of God's will for me, and then I await a response.

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Originally posted by virtue:
*What benefit do you derive from this personally?

As an individual person, I am only intimately aware of two wills... mine and God's. Attemting to force my will on the world around me leads to confusion, fear, anger, hatred, and suffering. On the other hand, executing God's will brings clarity, courage, happiness, love, and peace.

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Originally posted by virtue:
*How do you know its God?

By the results.

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Originally posted by virtue:
* What do you expect the outcome purpose of your life to be?

I have no expectations regarding this. Surely, my life has purpose... but, I need not know what it is for me to accomplish it. I will do God's work, whether I want to or not. The more I resist, the longer the work takes... even if it takes more than this lifetime. When the work is done, then I will leave. bsm



Lord help me....


I was trying not to make comments here.... but

I seem to not be keeping my word on being quiet...

I guess I am in the season of responding.....

But I feel compelled to say....

that somehow....

your responses....speak to me....

BV I did a paper in philosophy class comparing Confucious' ideas... to Taoism.....


and the disagreements.....

in allowing oneself to go with the flow (for lack of better words) with "the way"..... or impacting one's will on "the way"..... you know when I feel up to it.... I'd really like to discuss this with you...... if you don't mind.....


Peace,
Virtue
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
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Originally posted by virtue:
* Who is He? - a woman? Jesus? MFM? Buddha? Vishnu?

The word "who" implies a singularity. I don't believe this applies to God.


Not only a singularity but the practice of applying human language to 'God' tends to make of him but a mere object among other objects...


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The Tao is both yin and yang.

This is how the Tao is described, but the Tao is not God. The Tao is the path to God. That is why I never refer to the Tao as God. God is "nameless". God cannot be labled, only experienced.


Isn't it written that "He who names it does not know what it is"?

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The only reason I ever use the word God, is because if I did not no one would have any clue what I was talking about. bsm


Me too... I feel no need to use the term 'God' at all... I used to tell people I was an agnostic and refused to use the term on principle..but I find that this causes misunderstanding... so I now use 'God' so that I have something of a common language with others.

But I feel that the practice of constantly using the word - as some do - cheapens it and trivializes it.... 'God' this and 'God' that... You'd think that God was a personal assistant the way some talk... I've always liked the Hebrew practice of maintaining the holiness of the name by refusing to utter it or otherwise depict it...

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Attempting to force my will on the world around me leads to confusion, fear, anger, hatred, and suffering. On the other hand, executing God's will brings clarity, courage, happiness, love, and peace.


Yes.. I definitely agree on this...
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Originally posted by virtue:
you know when I feel up to it.... I'd really like to discuss this with you...... if you don't mind.....

Hmmm... I don't know. Let me look at my calander...

*Black Viking thumbs through pocket calander... crosses out hot date and pencils in "Virtue".*

Just kidding... Wink

Sure V, anytime you like. I'm not that versed in Confucionism... I look forward to your perspective.

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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
Not only a singularity but the practice of applying human language to 'God' tends to make of him but a mere object among other objects...

I agree. This is part and parcel to putting God in a box. The phenomenon starts with the assumtion that God can be understood by the human mind.

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Isn't it written that "He who names it does not know what it is"?

You are correct. That is written in the Tao Te Ching.

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But I feel that the practice of constantly using the word - as some do - cheapens it and trivializes it.... 'God' this and 'God' that... You'd think that God was a personal assistant the way some talk...

I used to feel that way. But, I eventually decided that the word itself is cheap and trivial compared to what it is intended to describe/explain. It becomes that way when it enters the mind of the unaware. Since that's not a realm I have any control over, I can only do my best to communicate whatever thought I'm trying to get across, and leave the task of interpretation/validation up to them. Smile
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Originally posted by virtue:
*What is God to you? - a spirit? a consciousness? a myth? a human being? something else?


What is "God" to me? "God" is all that is form, all that is essence and all this is potential. God is spirit, matter, mind, etc. Yes, God is a human being because every human is/is part of God. Wink

God is All and None. Neither X nor Y, nor both, nor neither.

I like HonestBrother's and Black Viking's explanations:

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Originally posted by HonestBrother
I feel no need to use the term 'God' at all...so I now use 'God' so that I have something of a common language with others.


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Originally posted by Black Viking
The only reason I ever use the word God, is because if I did not no one would have any clue what I was talking about. bsm


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*If you believe in God where is He? -in the air? in space? on earth? in your imagination? not physically located?


Everywhere and nowhere. All-thingness and No-thingness. As well as neither.

To me, it's not so much "believing in God", it's "believing God".


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* Who is He? - a woman? Jesus? MFM? Buddha? Vishnu?


All of these things are but objects. God being these would merely make God an object among objects. Nothing particularly special. Just a human writ large. That's more like a lower-case "g" god to me.

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* How do you communicate with Him if you believe in His existence? - prayer? meditation? signs? rituals? intuition? sacred text?


"He"? So now God is a person or a singular object with a gender? Smile I refuse to refer to God by "He", "She" or "It" because it assumes that God is a thing. I view that as trying to put God in a box to make the concept palatable to the human mind. I kind of like the ancient Hebrew concept or refusing to name "God" in belief that it cheapens the Unspeakable and de-values the Unnameable. Smile

But anyway, I believe these are all valid mortal ways of communion with Ultimate Reality. Although I believe some communions are more effective than others. I believe that transpersonal meditation, meta-psychological contemplation and intense prayer are the most effective methods.

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*What benefit do you derive from this personally?


A more profound appreciation for the universe and a better understanding of my"self".


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*How do you know its God?


When I can't fathom it with simple rational thought. When it has to be experienced hands-on. I like the Dao De Jing saying, "The Dao that can be named is not the Eternal Dao." I also like Buddha's and Shankara's instances that things that can be contemplated simply on finite rational thought are but "skandhas" (imaginal forms) and "maya" (illusion). fro

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* What do you expect the outcome purpose of your life to be?


What I make of it. tfro


Excellent thread, sis! tfro appl
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Originally posted by Black Viking:
Hmmm... I don't know. Let me look at my calander...

*Black Viking thumbs through pocket calander... crosses out hot date and pencils in "Virtue".*

Just kidding... Wink

Sure V, anytime you like. I'm not that versed in Confucionism... I look forward to your perspective.


Just so you know.....

There is somewhat of a disagreement between Confucious and the Tao....

Confucious: The path (way) can be directed or altered by one's will....

Tao: The path (way) must be adhered to and responded to correctly



more later...

Peace,
Virtue

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