What Kobe Bryant Doesn’t Get About Trayvon—or Colorblindness

The NBA All-star is entitled to his opinion about Trayvon Martin. But he should know what he’s talking about before he chastises his pro-athlete colleagues.

Posted: March 27 2014 3:05 PM
 
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Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers addresses the media before the 2014 NBA All-Star game at the Smoothie King Center on February 16, 2014, in New Orleans. 

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Come on, Kobe Bryant. If you’re going to play the colorblind card, then at least try to think through what you’re actually saying.

And if you don’t want to be pigeonholed for your outlook on race in America, then maybe you shouldn't pigeonhole your NBA colleagues when they express their views.

No professional athlete—black, or otherwise, including you—is under any obligation to speak out or offer his opinion on the issues of the day. But if any athlete—including you—decides to get into the pundit business, then he should make an effort to be well informed about the subject.

This time, though, I’m not sure that you did.

For anyone who missed it, in a New Yorker profile when Bryant was asked about fellow All-star LeBron James and his Miami Heat teammates donning hoodies last year in a photo to show support for Trayvon Martin’s family, Bryant reacted thusly:

"I won’t react to something just because I'm supposed to, because I’m an African American," he said. "That argument doesn't make any sense to me. So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we've progressed as a society? Well, we've progressed as a society, then don't jump to somebody's defense just because they're African-American. You sit and you listen to the facts just like you would in any other situation, right? So I won't assert myself."

I'm sure he thought—and probably intended to sound like—he was taking a balanced approach, effectively saying, "Just because I'm black, doesn't mean I come down on the side of any and every cause associated with another African American."

Ok, Kobe. That's fine.

And, almost as surely, he's saying that if we've made any strides toward a colorblind society, then just like everyone else, black folks have to "listen to the facts."

Also fine.

But without re-litigating the acquittal of Trayvon's killer, George Zimmerman, the "facts" remain that an armed adult shot an unarmed teenager after following that teenager down the street at night and was still at the scene with his gun when police arrived. But that armed adult wasn't charged with a crime until there was a national outcry.

Yes, people were outraged by the Zimmerman verdict. But the frustration expressed by so many Americans—not just African Americans—was that before Zimmerman was even charged, the cops seemed to accept his version of events at face value.

Even if you accept the jury's verdict—and the assertion that the prosecution didn't prove its case—it's hard to imagine the episode playing out the same way if the roles were reversed.

So even if Bryant has his doubts, personally, about what actually happened—which he's perfectly entitled to—his suggestion that anyone else who rallied to Trayvon's cause did so only out of some knee-jerk racial solidarity is, at best, a gross misunderstanding of the way the Zimmerman controversy escalated, and, at worst, Bryant's own knee-jerk evaluation of the impact of race in our judicial system.

That’s not being fair and balanced; that sounds like someone who wasn’t paying close attention. Plus, Kobe misunderstands what "progress" means in this case.

If his overriding concern is how much we’ve progressed as a society, then it's unfortunate that he's assuming LeBron was just jumping on the Trayvon bandwagon because he’s black. After all, if Kobe has the right to sit the controversy out, then James has every right to jump in.

No one asked Bryant to "assert" himself here. But he did—so did James. And in our ongoing conversations about race, it wouldn't mean we've progressed if James had held back on his own views out of fear that he wouldn't come across as colorblind.

And if Bryant was as forward-thinking as he appears to think he is, he'd see that.

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So, it means absolutely nothing to him that Trayvon Martin was a child. 

 

It mean absolutely nothing to his dumb ass that if HE had been walking in Trayvon Martin's shoes that night, it would have been Him.

 

If he feels so strongly about what he is claiming to believe, why don't he just come on down south or take his Black ass to certain parts of America, or certain sides of town or into certain communities in America and just walk around [without telling anyone Who he his], or drive his car, etc.

 

That's one low-down, callus attitude for him to have and he is too stupid to realize that his money and fame give him the luxury of living in a protective bubble, a luxury the average Black male, especially young Black male in America does not have, and even that is no guarantee that he will not be singled out for to be murdered by a racist merely because he happens to be Black.  

 

 

  What the FOCK?  Is this brotha HIGH on somethin?  Cuz that's exactly what it seems like.  I didn't UNDERSTAND a gdamn thang he said or what the fock he meant.  He is example of the black motherfuckers that pissed me off trying to pretending he doesn't understand the black thang.  Motherfucker YES YOUR STUPID ASS does.  You understand! Don't play that I didn't grow up in the black experience!    Hell... your parents are BLACK-not from Africa asshole....but!  From the focking HOOD!  Geez.  No wonder our culture is sliding down fast into the abyss of freedom and civil rights NEVER HAPPENING.  Motherfocker don't YOU know blackfolks DIED for your STUPID IGNORANT ass?  Guess not.  This is why I do not UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES...[don't care if he is black] LIKE KOBE BRYANT.  I do not like him.  I do not like him.  I just can't stand a stupid ass below the curve n$gger...[yes I said it]..I don't care how much money he has up his ass.  Can't stand the coon-this brotha is the true coon. He is an embarrassment to our culture.  Bottom line.   But! 

 

 

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And this isht:  "So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense?" 

 

 

But it was alright when people came to his defense when he was being wrongly accused of raping that White girl?  

 

Is he really stupid enough to believe that Black backlash against the time honored tradition of certain White women falsely crying rape against a Black man in this country and African American opinion, and African American Civil Rights Leaders watching that case closely, had nothing to do with his even getting a fair trial or being able to show his face in public today?  

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This one hit the nail squarely on the head in how far too many Black people think[the red chicken], not just African Americans, but Black people Globally, even in Africa.

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Kobe has a history of being Black only when convenient....

"

In a rare public appearance since he was accused of rape, basketball star Kobe Bryant and his wife Vanessa attended the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was picked as the favorite male athlete.

Accepting the award, he said, “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere,” paraphrasing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Entertainment Tonight Online reported.

The show was taped Saturday night at the Universal Amphitheater.

Bryant held his fist in the air after claiming his trophy, a multicolored surfboard emblazoned with the words “Teen Choice Awards 2003.” He also won last year."

 

http://www.simpletoremember.co...les/a/kobewinsaward/

 

 

Originally Posted by RadioRaheem:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Kobe has a history of being Black only when convenient....

"

In a rare public appearance since he was accused of rape, basketball star Kobe Bryant and his wife Vanessa attended the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was picked as the favorite male athlete.

Accepting the award, he said, “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere,” paraphrasing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Entertainment Tonight Online reported.

The show was taped Saturday night at the Universal Amphitheater.

Bryant held his fist in the air after claiming his trophy, a multicolored surfboard emblazoned with the words “Teen Choice Awards 2003.” He also won last year."

 

http://www.simpletoremember.co...les/a/kobewinsaward/

 

 

That has nothing to do with the statement he made?  How you gonna be mad at somebody for trying to save his hide?  The dude said he does not like to react to things until he has facts.  What is wrong with that?  

CommentaryNews— 27 March 2014
Kobe Bryant – Don’t EVER Say Another Word about Trayvon Martin

History matters. Knowing one’s history matters even more.

Kobe Bryant clearly believes he has all of the answers. Be it due to his upbringing outside of America or life as an NBA superstar inside the velvet rope; clearly Kobe feels he has it all figured out.

The player who has never stood in solidarity, shoulder-to-shoulder with ANYONE except his teammates on the court (or lawyer in the court room) wants to pontificate on “aggregate” African-American behavior?

“I won’t react to something just because I’m supposed to, because I’m an African-American,” he said. “That argument doesn’t make any sense to me. So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we’ve progressed as a society? Well, we’ve progressed as a society, then don’t jump to somebody’s defense just because they’re African-American. You sit and you listen to the facts just like you would in any other situation, right? So I won’t assert myself.” So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense?”

*  Kobe Bryant on the Miami Heat ‘Hoodie’ photo of solidarity

There’s nothing wrong with having an opinion, just know that they are not all created equal. Some are less-informed, others are misinformed and even altogether uninformed.

Why does Kobe Bryant gleefully advance the stereotypical notion that African-Americans are incapable of individual decision-making or engage in unbridled group-think? It’s the same as suggesting African-Americans only voted for Barack Obama “because he is Black.” And that would make sense, only if you ignored the truth that Al Sharpton, Herman Cain, and Alan Keyes couldn’t win an election if their lives depended on it. And also ignored the truth that more African-Americans voted for Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis than  Jesse Jackson during EITHER Democratic primary of ’84 or ’88.

And…you also ignore the facts that politicians like Ken Blackwell, Lynn Swann, Michael Steele and others could not generate significant African-American support and lost their elections on a statewide level.  Why does Kobe (and others) feel that “we” must justify and validate our feelings, concerns and decisions as being based in something other than color? 

Can’t “justice” be reason enough to support Trayvon Martin? If Kobe would like to discuss the forensics, the autopsy and medical report related to the case and why I (like many other African-Americans) feel that there was an injustice committed, I will fill his ear all day. But to employ the reductionist reasoning that “we” (including the Miami Heat and the President of the United States) are only concerned because Trayvon was also Black is patently offensive and ignorant beyond measure. None of Kobe’s 30,000 points in the NBA mitigate or change this fact.

It’s hard to reason with abject stupidity and stereotypes, but that is what Kobe Bryant is asking you and me to do. Bryant of all people should be mindful of stereotyping African-Americans given his life accomplishments are all inextricably linked to bouncing a basketball, minimal formal education, being named after a food item and (rumored) rampant sexual behavior outside of his marriage and accused of violent felonies.

History matters.

Be careful with stereotyping African-Americans Kobe. You have promulgated plenty of them on your own.

The death of Trayvon Martin had and still has everything to do with the fight for justice. To say you individually wish not to show any public support of Trayvon is your choice, Kobe. Keep me out of it. Keep the Heat out of it. Don’t indict the rest of African-Americans who do support the Martin family.  Don’t be silent WHILE the case progressed and NOW have a critique to offer more than a year later.  

That’s cowardice masquerading as concern; just the latest acknowledgment of who you really are.

You Kobe, (like OJ) were all good with the African-American community support as you traveled back and forth to Colorado to handle the litigation of (at best) your infidelity or (at worst) sexual criminality.  Maybe you forgot how undeserving of support you really were.  Your most recent remarks are reminding us.

Yet you want to talk about how far we’ve progressed as a society? Well, we’ve progressed as a society, then don’t jump to somebody’s defense just because they’re African-American. You sit and you listen to the facts just like you would in any other situation, right?”

In 2003 when you Kobe Bryant were charged with sexual assault after admitting to having intercourse with a then 19-year-old hotel employee, the “facts” did not support your version of events. Events, when faced with a civil lawsuit from your accuser, you opted for the route of non-disclosure agreement and settlement; not exoneration and vindication. The civil trial settlement included the provision that the accuser would drop the criminal charges.

Facts…inconvenient they are at times.

All of us would have loved to have sat and listened to the facts as they were presented in a Colorado courtroom, but you paid to make sure that didn’t happen. History matters, especially yours.

In the discussion of race, stereotypes and their impact on the American judicial system, you Kobe overlook the obvious. “Kevin Jackson” from Philadelphia would likely either still be in jail or out on parole and prominently featured on the sex offender registry. There would be no future 48 million dollar contract at age 35.

Nevertheless, you thanked “fans” for their unwavering support along the way, despite not having earned any of it. No number of made jump shots verifies one’s integrity or validates your version of the story. You bought your accuser’s silence and that 4 million dollar apology ring/press conference bought your way back into your own house.

You sit and you listen to the facts just like you would in any other situation, right?”

Right Kobe…just like I would in any other situation. I listened intently. Here are some facts regarding other “situations.”  Please sit and listen.

Kobe Bryant has never lent his name, image, likeness or brand in the name of social justice. Maybe in the past 18 years of his career in the NBA, he just never found time. I get it. Losing all of one’s endorsement deals to sexual assault allegations makes one a bit skittish after you managed to build them back up. It takes a long time and a lot of work to get them, lose them and then get them back.

Either way, Kobe Bryant has no social justice activism on his résumé.

None.

Wait…take that back. Kobe has spoken in support of Magic Johnson’s gay son.

Why should anyone be surprised? What I can’t tolerate is a lack of tolerance.”

Yes, that came from the guy fined $100,000 for referring to an NBA referee as a f*****g f****t. Yes, and Paula Deen “can’t tolerate a lack of tolerance” either if asked.   All of my “racially tolerant” friends routinely yell “f****** N*****” in front of 18,997 and television cameras without blinking an eye when they’re angry.

Yes Kobe…history does matter.

Let’s not forget, Kobe also chastised a fan for an “anti-gay” tweet. Of course…and Mel Gibson is the newly elected Sheriff to police antisemitism. Hell, why not?

Kobe Bryant went from homophobic slur on TV-user to the champion of gay rights…all in one year. Next thing you know, Kobe will be giving anti-misogyny lectures and criticizing his accused sexual assault brethren of Darren Sharper and CeeLo Green.

Hell, why not?

Because as long as Kobe tries to act as if history and facts don’t matter in the discussion of aggregate African-American sensibilities, why the hell not?

And today in his latest act of hypocrisy, Bryant quoted Dr. Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech on his Instagram account.  Yes, Kobe has the same dream as Dr. King of a supposed colorblind society…right after he finished insulting all and only African-Americans.

KobeKing

And so did Trayvon.  How “colorblind” of you Kobe.

If Kobe actually studied Dr. King beyond instagram memes, he would know that King would not have sat idly by in the face of injustice. He would have known that King would have saluted public solidarity among high-profile members of the community, not threw rocks from across the street to criticize it.  Dr. King would have had plenty to say about changing the social conditions which would  allow an unarmed youth to be profiled and shot with no legal repercussion.  Dr. King’s record of social activism is clear.  And so is yours, Kobe.

There is no record of any “intolerance of intolerance,” social activism or behavioral consistency as to what is appropriate or not in the face of injustice by Kobe Bryant.  Instead, just a whole lot of baskets.  Bully for the Kobester.

Bryant’s cursory knowledge of the interrelation of history, social justice and race is proof positive of how ONE history class beyond the 12th grade would have come in awful handy right about now.  Lastly, here is the period in the discussion of the comparison of Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan…

(At least Michael managed to remain a jerk in secret.)

Originally Posted by nuggyt:
Originally Posted by RadioRaheem:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Kobe has a history of being Black only when convenient....

"

In a rare public appearance since he was accused of rape, basketball star Kobe Bryant and his wife Vanessa attended the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was picked as the favorite male athlete.

Accepting the award, he said, “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere,” paraphrasing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Entertainment Tonight Online reported.

The show was taped Saturday night at the Universal Amphitheater.

Bryant held his fist in the air after claiming his trophy, a multicolored surfboard emblazoned with the words “Teen Choice Awards 2003.” He also won last year."

 

http://www.simpletoremember.co...les/a/kobewinsaward/

 

 

That has nothing to do with the statement he made?  How you gonna be mad at somebody for trying to save his hide?  The dude said he does not like to react to things until he has facts.  What is wrong with that?  

+ it is about the history of that brother, thus the reason for his usage of the Dr. King quote while facing rape charges.  He also represents a drastic change in what we are use to from the mind of one of our athletes.  Compare him to Ali, Jabbar, Jim Brown, etc...from the 1960's and 70's.  Those brothers represented the community correctly.  In regards to Trayvon, he simply should have not commented on things that he doesn't care about.  What the Miami Heat did was epic.    

Originally Posted by RadioRaheem:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:
Originally Posted by RadioRaheem:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Kobe has a history of being Black only when convenient....

"

In a rare public appearance since he was accused of rape, basketball star Kobe Bryant and his wife Vanessa attended the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was picked as the favorite male athlete.

Accepting the award, he said, “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere,” paraphrasing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Entertainment Tonight Online reported.

The show was taped Saturday night at the Universal Amphitheater.

Bryant held his fist in the air after claiming his trophy, a multicolored surfboard emblazoned with the words “Teen Choice Awards 2003.” He also won last year."

 

http://www.simpletoremember.co...les/a/kobewinsaward/

 

 

That has nothing to do with the statement he made?  How you gonna be mad at somebody for trying to save his hide?  The dude said he does not like to react to things until he has facts.  What is wrong with that?  

+ it is about the history of that brother, thus the reason for his usage of the Dr. King quote while facing rape charges.  He also represents a drastic change in what we are use to from the mind of one of our athletes.  Compare him to Ali, Jabbar, Jim Brown, etc...from the 1960's and 70's.  Those brothers represented the community correctly.  In regards to Trayvon, he simply should have not commented on things that he doesn't care about.  What the Miami Heat did was epic.    

It ain't about none of those other guys.  All the dude said is that he don't want to jump conclusions.  All that other bullshit you threw in there is simply bullshit...ps, how you gonna be mad at somebody for trying to get his ass out of trouble.  

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This is the schism in African American thought, between neo-liberalism and nationalism.

 

All Kobe said he ain't the type to jump to conclusions because if America is like they say it is, then we shouldn't base it on race/ethnicity.

 

And he uses the doctrine of liberalism to explain his position. 

 

And African Americans get pissed, even though majority of African Americans are liberals all the way of some stripe. 

 

It's funny. 

  Folks can say what the FOCK they want.  I KNOW an oreo when I see one.  I don't NEED anyone to justify it for ME!  The motherfocker is two curbs less than an uncle Tom-if he didn't have all that money....trust and believe no one would focking CARE what he had to say.  And even with his little dollars...I care less cuz to me?  And I'm speaking for myself-a GROWN ass woman with adult CHILDREN...his sick sadist white obsession mentality is no different than the OJ Simpsons of the world.  You know ball players who forget they are black once they start making a little money-to me that's still a slave.

 

Some black men get smoke up their asses and think they can dismiss the black cause simply cuz they have the dollars to attract light skin or white women to confirm their value-Not!  He is in my opinion....and I repeat a n$gger coon with money with no empathy, sympathy or concern for the people who look like him.  Now yall can defend him all you want ain't gonna change a thang.  He is sooooooooo removed from the black experience that his parents can't even reach him to remind him that in fact he is BLACK. Not a little black...or a portion of black.  But black!

 

Now when a brotha disses his own father-in a world where having black father around is somewhat rare in the black community?  That tells you hugely who this motherfucker only wants to suck on that limp thang he call a manhood.  Just keeping it real.    No....he didn't try to RAPE a black woman....that's not his sickness to confirm his power...no he ran after white trash...like the trash he married except for she is not white but the same difference as far as I'm concerned.  

 

So no...don't get the shyte twisted....Kobe will NEVER be the leader in my life...he will NEVER be anyone I consider a mentor for young black boys either.  He is selfish, self-serving, self-absorb, stupid, ignorant, suffering from color-stroke syndrome, insecure, arrogant, hypocrite, and hold a nothing ass character flaw-that's this brotha.    He has no love for the culture that SET THE STAGE for his nothing ass to play basketball and make MONEY.  Bottom line.  He is unappreciative of those black heroes who went before him,  And he thinks the sun rise and set on his coon ass...but!  It doesn't.  Basketball is a white man's game.  Always have been.  He's just a nothing ass n$gger who is enjoying the 15 minute fame that will soon dissipate once he gets older.  And then no one will know who he is/was except for those who are basketball idiots and even then it will be about the numbers and not about the man[cuz the man has DONE nothing for his own people let alone society...]. Pitiful..But!

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Brotha RR wrote:  + it is about the history of that brother, thus the reason for his usage of the Dr. King quote while facing rape charges.  He also represents a drastic change in what we are use to from the mind of one of our athletes.

 

He used Dr. King quote to make it appear that he was a part of the black experience since he claims that he grew up aboard.   And that somehow it was impossible for him...a black man not from the HOOD...to rape anyone.  And this is important why?  Cuz white society always used the BIG BLACK BRUTE persona as evidence of a rapist.  He did his homework to save his ass....bottom line.  And it worked. 

 

Compare him to Ali, Jabbar, Jim Brown, etc...from the 1960's and 70's. Those brothers represented the community correctly.  

 

I agree.  Absolutely.  They had a pride in them that CLEARLY Kobe doesn't have.  He is an arrogant prick.  And quite frankly he hasn't done the work to be that FOCKING arrogant.  As if I was his mother?  I would be totally PISSED off at him.  Cuz most black women do not raise their black sons to deny their culture in the way that Kobe has.  

 

In regards to Trayvon, he simply should have not commented on things that he doesn't care about.

 

Yep!  I agree.  He should have gotten advisement from those million dollar attorneys he has on retainer to bail his ass out when he falls from grace.  

 

What the Miami Heat did was epic.    

 

I agree my brotha.  That's how you do it.  In solidarity and with black pride.  Our pride has been RAPED...and torn away from our culture like hyenas on a wildebeest.  It's no wonder Kobe has this unconcerned attitude toward blackness.  I bet he is the guy white men can invite to a party and tell black jokes knowing he will probably tell a couple of 'em himself.  I wouldn't be surprised one bit!  But.  

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Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

What hypocrisy!

Kobe can say how 'he' feels and others can't? Please.  

 

I comprehend all to well what he had to say and I believe HE reflects a stereotype…

 

You are pretty much saying if the reader doesn't agree with Kobe, there's something wrong with their comprehension…

 

Now THAT'S funny. 

Originally Posted by GoodMan:

This is the schism in African American thought, between neo-liberalism and nationalism.

 

All Kobe said he ain't the type to jump to conclusions because if America is like they say it is, then we shouldn't base it on race/ethnicity.

 

And he uses the doctrine of liberalism to explain his position. 

 

And African Americans get pissed, even though majority of African Americans are liberals all the way of some stripe. 

 

It's funny. 

 

The majority of African Americans are liberals, huh? Please post your source.

 

For the record, the only people that have referred to me as Fabolous have been the white racists on AOL's Black Voices.  I've had my screen name since 1998 and during all that time only the haters have put an "o" in the spelling for their own group thinking reasons.

 

The hater who went by the screen name "Libra" had your same writing style. 

 

I'm just sayin' 

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Originally Posted by nuggyt:
Originally Posted by RadioRaheem:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Kobe has a history of being Black only when convenient....

"

In a rare public appearance since he was accused of rape, basketball star Kobe Bryant and his wife Vanessa attended the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was picked as the favorite male athlete.

Accepting the award, he said, “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere,” paraphrasing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Entertainment Tonight Online reported.

The show was taped Saturday night at the Universal Amphitheater.

Bryant held his fist in the air after claiming his trophy, a multicolored surfboard emblazoned with the words “Teen Choice Awards 2003.” He also won last year."

 

http://www.simpletoremember.co...les/a/kobewinsaward/

 

 

That has nothing to do with the statement he made?  How you gonna be mad at somebody for trying to save his hide?  The dude said he does not like to react to things until he has facts.  What is wrong with that?  

According to YOU 'nothing'.

 

LOL

 

 

Originally Posted by Fabulous:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:
Originally Posted by RadioRaheem:
Originally Posted by nuggyt:

It is clear by the comments on this topic that none of you actually read Kobe's comments.  Those of you that did, you read them from a position of such prejudice that you can not even comprehend what he had to say.  

Kobe has a history of being Black only when convenient....

"

In a rare public appearance since he was accused of rape, basketball star Kobe Bryant and his wife Vanessa attended the 2003 Teen Choice Awards, where he was picked as the favorite male athlete.

Accepting the award, he said, “An injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere,” paraphrasing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Entertainment Tonight Online reported.

The show was taped Saturday night at the Universal Amphitheater.

Bryant held his fist in the air after claiming his trophy, a multicolored surfboard emblazoned with the words “Teen Choice Awards 2003.” He also won last year."

 

http://www.simpletoremember.co...les/a/kobewinsaward/

 

 

That has nothing to do with the statement he made?  How you gonna be mad at somebody for trying to save his hide?  The dude said he does not like to react to things until he has facts.  What is wrong with that?  

According to YOU 'nothing'.

 

LOL

 

 

What’s wrong with that?

 

Theoretically, nothing. Let me rap with you about going beyond the game of hiding behind a bush and jumping out at people loudly crying “Stupid!” That has its limits.  All of us to have strong feelings.

 

Now, for starters, let’s agree about the importance of facts. With the supposedly “self-defense” assassination of Trayvon Martin, we find the greatest majority of whites and blacks lined up with obvious positions. We might notice that both sides have knee-jerk reactions. I can dig that.  Being “black” is a subset of being a human being. A human being can see both sides of shit beyond identity politics. Cool. Extremely cool when it happens. 

 

Let’s think about this as human beings. One guy, a neighborhood patroller, calls the cops to report possibly suspicious behavior. He also keeps track of the “suspect”, Trayvon Martin.   Here’s where some factual details glare out. Zimmerman decides to track Trayvon Martin right up close.  Trayvon Martin states that some “cracka” is so close by that he can make out the facial features and race of the stalker, George Zimmerman.

 

Put yourself, for a moment, in the mind of young Trayvon Martin. He is coming back to his grand-folks’ home. Now, before entering the house, Trayvon thinks twice. He is clearly being aggressively followed.  This looks a lot more like danger than safety.    Zimmerman lets Trayvon know he is following him. He is right out in view so that young Mr. Martin senses real danger. What young man would allow himself to let a psycho know where he lived?! You?  The probability is on that stroke. No one.  Young Martin ducked out.  He would not want to let a way out-front ominous stalker know where his family lived. Hell, no.

 

We must also realize that Zimmerman would not have tracked young Mr. Martin right out in the open had Zimmerman not been packing deadly heat.   This is a scary situation. This is not how officers of the law conduct themselves.   If a private guard company stalked members of the public in this way, that company could be sued for its employees acting with undue aggression. Zimmerman acted loco, plain and simple.

 

Young Mr. Martin was the subject of undue aggression by Zimmerman. The stalker acted fearlessly enough to let him be seen in clear sight by Mr. Martin.  Again, if he was not packing deadly force, Zimmerman would not be so brazen. He is misusing his gun in this instance. And now, at this absurdly reckless juncture, technically depending on using his gun, if need be.  Already Way Over the line! He is right there, out front for Mr. Martin to clearly see him.   

 

Are you going to let some psycho stalker find out where you and your family live! Of course not, unless you are an extreme coward.

 

 

Realize that at this point Mr. Martin is being openly stalked by a speechless ominous man. Mr. Martin at this point, feels under attack. There is danger here. It’s scary shit, right?  He wants to get the fuck out of there.

 

Zimmerman does not explain himself although he has brazenly placed himself in clear view of Mr. Martin At some point, Zimmerman  should have announced out loud who he was as he came in to plain view (why not?) , but no, Zimmerman says nothing. That makes things more frightening. Zimmerman is way out of bounds. He was acting out some emotional fantasy. He was out of touch with reality. He acted dangerously and somewhat insanely provoked Trayvon Martin.

 

While Zimmerman is eyeballing him in plain view, Mr. Martin manages to duck off. At this point, the 17 year old Mr. Martin has been terrorized by a crazy guy who is in no way acting like a public or private police officer. The basic fact is that Zimmerman was way, way out of line in terrorizing this young man. Zimmerman aggravated Mr. Martin to the point that he directly feared for his physical safety and that of his family. That is a natural response.  Disagree?

 

Young Trayvon may also thought of committing a heroic act, of kicking the ass of the irrational stalker, George Zimmerman. Maybe he felt that the situation needed to be dealt with on the spot. If he went back to his family’s place who knows, maybe the crazy craka would be hiding in the mud under a bush and watching him.  Zimmerman would be correctly perceived as mentally  unbalanced and acting outside the law in an extreme manner.

 

Understand that Zimmerman terrorized young Mr. Martin who inferred that he was under attack or of undue acts of aggression. He needed to stand his ground.  He was under probable imminent attack. He was under attack or presumed to be under attack within moments.    

 

Enough said, okay.    At this point it’s now commonly known that Zimmerman is a faulty fuse. He’s a little nuts, dangerously nutz. KB, if his head was not “up his ass”, would have this common knowledge about how more shit has unfolded in the media about loco George.  Loco George acted recklessly and with undue aggression toward Mr. Martin. Agree? If not, how not? Tell ‘em to get his head out of his butt, Zim man is a fuckin’ nut, a too loose cannon! Keeping it real.  

Originally Posted by GoodMan:

This is the schism in African American thought, between neo-liberalism and nationalism.

 

All Kobe said he ain't the type to jump to conclusions because if America is like they say it is, then we shouldn't base it on race/ethnicity.

 

And he uses the doctrine of liberalism to explain his position. 

 

And African Americans get pissed, even though majority of African Americans are liberals all the way of some stripe. 

 

It's funny. 

 

 

+what he did was essentially blame others with the 'balls' to speak up about a current trial and a current event action by the masses.  When Toby, err..i mean Kobe made his comments it was AFTER the verdict...no one was expecting Toby, err..i mean, kobe to speak on this because he isn't Black unless he wants the community to rally behind him after being charged. No one is asking him to stand up for this case because he and Trayvon are Black males, anymore than other Black celebs weren't called out for NOT supporting the DC Sniper (wrong is wrong).  What many of us see is that Kobe didnt speak up because the Massa pays him well and he didnt want to risk that.  BTW< Lebron has made more money AFTER the hoodie photo and has not received a finanical backlash....Kobe couldnt risk speaking up after Massa let him back on the proch.  Kobe should have just been honest and stated that he can't speak on issues anymore because the media will paint him in a bad light like they did Ray Lewis, Mike Tyson, and Mike Vick...Black men that have been labeled evil whether they have paid their debt to society or not

 

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Wow!

 

I can only surmise that he is either delusional or a coward.

 

Let's see, about a year after the fact, he still doesn't have enough information about the case? To enlighten Kobe Bryant and negropeans who think like him, here are the facts.

 

1. Trayvon Martin, a teenager, was walking home with a bag of skittles and a container of iced tea when he was stalked by a Neighborhood Blackwatch, oops, Blockwatch member; otherwise known as George Zimmerman.

 

2. Trayvon was minding his own business, talking on a cell phone to his friend. He was not engaged in any suspicious behavior like robbery. The only thing Zimmerman found suspicious about him was that he was Black, wearing a hoodie, and in a predominantly white gated-neighborhood. In Zimmerman's mind, those three facts automatically made Trayvon suspicious. After all, there had been some robberies in the area. And we all know that ALL blacks steal. 

 

3. Zimmerman stalked and then eventually confronted Trayvon. Trayvon had no idea who he was being stalked by. It could be the resident lunatic, ax murderer, or child rapist for all he knew. Trayvon did the right thing by not going straight home. Police tell people all the time, if you are being followed, DO NOT GO HOME. Why would anyone knowingly allow a lunatic to follow him or her home? Trayvon didn't want Zimmerman, a threatening stranger, to know where he lived!

 

4. Trayvon had every right to defend himself against a perceived or real harm. It is called stand your ground in a stand your ground state. Zimmerman had a gun. Trayvon didn't. Kobe Bryant needs to answer this question: Why did Zimmerman have a right to stand his ground but Trayvon didn't? Trayvon was the one who was being threatened!

 

5. The police dispatcher told Zimmerman to stay in his vehicle. He chose to ignore that advice.

 

6. Zimmerman shot Trayvon after he stalked and threatened Trayvon. Trayvon didn't deserve this no more than a black woman deserves to die for knocking on a door to ask for help. I wonder what Kobe's thoughts are on this.

 

When it comes to group-think, Whites have cornered the market. The majority of whites automatically believed that Zimmerman had a right to shoot Trayvon without any facts to support it. The excuses they came up with were: He was black; he was wearing a hoodie; he shouldn't have been out so late (and in the rain!); he looked suspicious; there were robberies in the area; he smoked pot; he wasn't a model student, so on and so on. They even inflated his height (up to 7 feet tall at one point), his weight (near 300 pounds at one point), and even imagined gold teeth in his mouth! I wonder what Kobe has to say about that.

 

Next time, Kobe Bryant, you are in trouble, please don't come grovelling to us for help and support. 

 

"Let's see, about a year after the fact, he still doesn't have enough information about the case? To enlighten Kobe Bryant and negropeans who think like him, here are the facts."

 

BINGO!

 

"Next time, Kobe Bryant, you are in trouble, please don't come grovelling to us for help and support."

 

JACKPOT!

 

Why are so many Black men battling for the title of King Coon??  

 

http://www.yourblackworld.net/...bout-trayvon-martin/

 

ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith Says Kobe Bryant Was Right About Trayvon Martin

 
 
 

NBA star Kobe Bryant sparked a great deal of outrage last week when his reason for not rallying behind Image stephen-a.-smith-300x168.pngTrayvon Martin was revealed. In an interview from the March 31st issue of the The New Yorker, Bryant said he was unwilling to support someone just because they’re black. Although many within the black community were outraged by that statement, ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith had Bryant’s back.

 

On an episode of the Arsenio Hall show on Friday, Smith said Bryant was basically “on point” with his comments. He added that even though blacks are outnumbered in American society, that doesn’t give blacks “license to be unfair” and that we all need to “exercise a level of fairness and justice.”

Here’s what Bryant said while responding to a question about the Miami Heat’s support for the slain teen:

I won’t react to something just because I’m supposed to, because I’m an African-American,” he said. “That argument doesn’t make any sense to me. So we want to advance as a society and a culture, but, say, if something happens to an African-American we immediately come to his defense? Yet you want to talk about how far we’ve progressed as a society? Well, we’ve progressed as a society, then don’t jump to somebody’s defense just because they’re African-American. You sit and you listen to the facts just like you would in any other situation, right? So I won’t assert myself.

Since then, many pundits have pointed out that George Zimmerman made the issue about race when he profiled Martin, and that Trayvon Martin supporters only wanted the man who gunned down the teen to be arrested and stand trial.

Just what Black people does Stepin A. Smith think are exercising any “license to be unfair” and exactly who are the Black people that he believes did not “exercise a level of fairness and justice” in George Zimmerman murdering Trayvon Martin?

 

Some boot-licking, groveling ass Black people need to have their damn teeth kicked in and somebody's size 12 or 16 or 22 up their self-hating, brown-nosing asses.  

 

Yeah, there are a lot of Black people in America [and the world over] that will throw Black people under the bus in a New York minute, even Black children, to get on or to stay on 'massa's' "porch".

 

What his punk-ass and Kobe Bryant's punk-ass is really saying is that they don't give damn if there are racists and psychos roaming around America murdering Black children with impunity.   

 

 

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That's EXACTLY what it means my sista.  As I always say massa don't need to worry about eradicating black folks...cuz some ignorant ass black folks are doing it all on their own.  Massa no longer has to do the work.  N$ggers are doing it for him so he can sit back and be entertained. But! 

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Uncle Kobe and Uncle Stephen want a pat on the back for digressing over a meaningless point. Of course, George Z is not guilty solely  because Trayvon Martin was  black.  George Z is guilty due to the facts.  These heads up their ass Uncles want to avoid those inconvenient details.                  

As always, Dr. Boyce Watkins brings that heat!!!

 

http://financialjuneteenth.com...e-bryants-ignorance/

 

DR BOYCE: STEPHEN A, PLEASE DON’T DEFEND KOBE BRYANT’S IGNORANCE

Published On March 31, 2014 | By Staff | Dr Boycefinancial commentaryFinancial NewsNews

 

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by Dr. Boyce Watkins

I’ve always loved Stephen A. Smith.  His energy, intellect and instinct as a sports analyst is second-to-none.  I also appreciate the fact that every time I was on Stephen’s Show (“Quite Frankly, which ESPN should never have taken off the air), he always treated me with decency and respect.   I appreciated his show because there are few media spaces where black men can congregate for intelligent discourse, which makes his show even more precious than the amazing work being done right now by Arsenio Hall.

With that being said, sometimes, one brother has to check another.  Stephen is a friend to the athletes, and with those friendships come the trappings of cronyism.  Unfortunately, this can sometimes cause us to defend the indefensible or stand up for ignorance solely because the person spouting that ignorance happens to be a prominent and respected colleague.

In this case, that friend happens to be LA Lakers star Kobe Bryant.

Bryant made some unfortunate remarks this week about the Trayvon Martin case.  I hope he was misinterpreted when he stated during a recent interview that he doesn’t feel the need to stand up for someone just because they’re black.  Of course we can agree on this to a point, but in the Trayvon Martin case, there wasn’t much ambiguity.

Bryant then followed his untimely comments with a set of confused statements about our progress as a society and a misguided belief that somehow, racial harmony must be equated with changing the way we evaluate the thousands of cases of severe racial injustice that occur across the country and around the world.  The point for Kobe to consider is that you may not defend someone just because they’re black, but there are people who will kill you just because you’re black.  That’s still the America in which the rest of us reside.

Stephen A. spoke with Arsenio Hall recently and defended Kobe’s remarks, saying that Kobe was “on point” with his comments.

Really Stephen? On point about what exactly?  If you’re saying that he was on point about not defending any old buffoonery just because someone is black, I agree with that (see my many nasty discussions in the past with toxic hip-hop artists).  But if you’re using this argument to somehow defend Kobe’s aloof and disconnected reaction to the Trayvon Martin childslaughter, then that’s when we have to hit the breaks.

The fact of the matter is that despite what Kobe says, LeBron James and the Miami Heat should be applauded for breaking the typical athletic silence when it comes to severe racial injustice in America.  Black people are sick and tired of athletes spending so much time choking dollar bills down their throats that it murder their own vocal chords in even the worst of tragedies.   Black men should be better than this and we are meant to be more than petty corporate puppets.

The millions of young black males looking up to Kobe Bryant, buying his jerseys and supporting him on the court are looking for a black man who cares about them more than he cares about Nike sneakers.   However, if Kobe chooses to remain disengaged, that’s his right.  At the same time, he should not conveniently choose to become engaged when he chooses to urinate all over the hard work being done by those of us who actually give a d*mn about our kids.

Let us reiterate the simplicity of the Trayvon Martin case that brought the entire nation together:  Trayvon was unarmed, stalked and blasted in cold blood by a deranged, unauthorized security guard primarily for being a black man with a hoodie in the wrong neighborhood.  George Zimmerman was then acquitted for this murder and later proved to the nation that he is every bit the violent stalker that the world believed him to be.

The fact that a black man’s death must be such a squeaky clean case of injustice makes it virtually impossible for us to get justice or support in cases that might be more nuanced.  If a black man has a criminal record, then he must have deserved to die.  If he happened to have a gun to protect himself, then of course the white man had to shoot him.  The bar is set high when trying to explain why a black man might have been an innocent victim instead of the frightening monkey-men that the world believes us to be.  If anyone should appreciate the pain of these gross mischaracterizations, it would be tall, muscle-bound black professional athletes.

The idea that even a case as clear and unambiguous as that of Trayvon Martin still evades the consciousness of our most prominent athletes is resounding proof that many of these negroes have indeed been brainwashed and had their brains sold into slavery.

I love Stephen A. Smith and I maintain that he was a wonderful brother to meet in person, but in this case, he’s flat out wrong.  He and Kobe have to remember that there is a responsibility that comes with being a prominent African American and the world can’t start and stop with unhealthy cronyism.  If Kobe is really your friend, you’ll correct him.  Stephen, I think you know that I’m right.

Financial Juneteenth lessons from this article:

1)   African Americans have been economically disadvantaged historically.  This can often lead to excessive materialism and a suffocating belief that all matters of integrity should be abandoned for the sake of earning extra money.  This might produce a wealthy bank account, but a meaningless life and a soul that is effectively bankrupt.   You can get rich, buy fancy cars and use your money to enhance the greater good, all at the same time.  It doesn’t have to be one or the other.

2)   There is a reason that the best athletes in America are not very well educated, along with many leading hip-hop artists.  Corporate America doesn’t have a strong incentive to give platforms to educated, courageous and conscientious black men, for this would lead to the destruction of many of the white supremacist constructs that allow the existing power structure to maintain itself (which is why Arsenio Hall lost his show shortly after giving a platform to Min. Louis Farrakhan).  So effectively, athletes are kept uneducated and addicted to money for the same reasons that many pimps keep their prostitutes addicted to drugs.  An addict will almost never become an activist because an addict is too busy chasing more drugs.  Black men are becoming addicted to money, fear and complacency.  This has got to stop.

 

 

"Black men are becoming addicted to money, fear and complacency.  This has got to stop."

***********************************************************************************

 

And they've got to stop "Buck-Dancing" to get or keep a place on 'massa's' porch.  

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