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What is the worth or value on an opinion these days? For humans, need and scarcity produces value while lack of need and or abundance reduces value. It is easy to see that an opinion is the latter, being that it is ubiquitous amongst humans. Moreover, most opinions are simply the regurgitating or replaying of opinions of the opinions of others by those whom are considered "Authorities" on the subject. For the most part, very little pondering goes into the construction of an opinion. Humans simply shop around for the "Authority" or ideology that preaches rhetoric that falls in line with their individual needs or desires, then reproduce those opinions as being their own.

In a democracy, opinions of the public are what theoretically control the representatives and hence public policy. However, this theory assumes that the individuals are fully informed of all sides and angles of an issue and that they are pondering conclusions from that raw data to form their own opinions. That is not the case. The reason being is that information is disseminated and filtered down from the Top, the Top being the elites of particular ideologies, and released to the masses. This filtered information is thus picked up by those aligning themselves with a particular ideology, for self-gain, and subsequently accepted and repeated by these individuals. The information is rarely scrutinized by the receiver due to the fact of the receiver's confidence that that the particular ideological elites has an agenda that coincides with their personal goals.

What further complicates this thing called opinions is the fact that these opinions become surrounded and protected by emotions. Emotions are the nemesis of logic and reasoning and thus, people opinions RARELY change even when their opinions cannot be logically supported against another opinion. Consequently, people passionately exchange and share their opinions with others, some in agreement and some in dissent, with nothing ever gained in the end due to the fact that emotions have thoroughly prevented the influence of logic and truth. We all know of the example of people who get into or stay into relationships that are logically bad for them, for emotional reasons. There is no logic that you can use for these people, which will penetrate the emotional force field of their beliefs or desires.

The only value that I see in opinion is that it gives the person who is giving the opinion and audience, for most people wants to be heard or listened to. However, the effect of the heard opinion by others is negligible. Those that agree with it will welcome and embrace you in their club, while those that disagree with it will castigate you. Thus, in the end, the opinion produced not real change in beliefs, just refortified the trenches that people were all ready emotionally dug into.

The rare individual with an "Open mind" is one who is not emotionally or personally vested in any particular ideal or ideology to such a degree that it paralyzes the influence of logic and reasoning and is thus impervious to change. These rare people are the TRUTH seekers, for their passion and emotions are reserved for the ideology of truth and righteousness. These are the people who are pensive ponders, philosophers if you will, who take the raw data and universal laws of existence, the present, the past and the future and mix it all together to form an ORIGINAL opinion, the product and the patent of the individual creator.

We all should strive to be the CREATORS of our opinions and we all should strive to be seekers of truths first and foremost, which will thusly break down emotional barriers that will allow the light of truth to shine in on our areas of darkness. The difference between a creator of an opinion and a buyer or borrower of an opinion is that of the difference between of buying a cake from the bakery vs. making a cake from the raw materials. Of course, the type of cake you make from scratch depends on the recipe that you chose to follow, which is usually the creation of someone else as well. However, if you think "outside the recipe" and experiment with different ideas, you might just come up with something superior to that which has thus far manifested.

The truth has the effect of sunlight upon vampires when exposed to the wicked. If one recoils and does not embrace the light of truth....they are likely vampires.
Vita vya panzi (ni) furaha ya kunguru. War among grasshoppers delights the crow. Msema kweli hana wajoli. The speaker of truth has few friends. ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( Noah The African in America
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Brother Noah,

Opinions are basically unsupported statements based on a desire of what one WOULD LIKE to see stand as true. They carry little weight in the world at large unless the audience is one who wants to agree with the opinion that was stated. And we all know a group of fools can invalidate one intelligent person....in that arena anyway. Facts override all logic and are absolute in nature. I personally try to always stick to facts....because there would be nothing more disparaging than someone sitting me down and actually being able to truthfully and factually tell me beyond my rebuttal why I am thinking like a damn fool........there is not much fear of that in an informal message board as I see people basically re-iterate Fox News and standard jargon for those of their philosophies...particularly those black people whose ideas do not even fit the reality they or their families face or have faced. You see things like the poor supporting policies that only benefit the rich...or blacks supporting whites who work in a racist manner to destroy the opportunities of other blacks. I think they do not even believe the things they say....its just that being viewed as a "different kind of negro" is more important than thinking pro-black. From an academic standpoint....I see an opinion as parallel to a research hypothesis....an individual's unproven thought..and like academic research, until one can prove the generalizability of their thoughts.......i.e, the opinion being true in more eyes than just theirs...it is only their thought and nothing significant.....
I agree with you brother Kevin, however, you give people much more credit than I, in that you analogized their opinions with logical hypothesis. Hypothesis is logical inductions or deductions derived from other known or proven data and theories, as you know, it often refered to as an "intelligent guess". Most peoples opinions do not involve that degree of thought or intelligence, its just regurgitation. My whole thing centers on the fact that people are not thinking. I think with so many issues in life and in the world, there is not enough time or enough reward in researching and pondering them all. Thus, we just accept the opinions of the ideological elites whose opinions we traditionally support out of self-interest, digest it, then repeat it in our rhetoric of opinion.

The power of opinion is that like all thoughts it is the precursor to actions. Thus to affectively bring about change, one must first sway opinions. But again, people opinions and beliers are too protected by emotions, usually because there is something to be gained or lost to the individual, from the counter opinion. Consequently, emotions create inertia of opinions and beliefs and things never change.

You are correct in that some of our people seek opposing opinion simply because they see a benefit or reward offered in the larger society from taking such a position against the mainstream of black thought.

The truth has the effect of sunlight upon vampires when exposed to the wicked. If one recoils and does not embrace the light of truth....they are likely vampires.
Melesi,

The discussion of "the different negro" is based on the illogical premise of one promoting things that are detremental to one's own race in terms of MEASURABLE, TANGIBLE, QUANTIFIED outcomes and having no basis of explaining that sh-t to the majority of black folks as beneficial to the group as a whole. For example, when negroes in the office spout off about being against affirmative action....and their job had to be part of a protected class for that very same company that forced the hiring of qualified people who looked like them on the basis of historical racial excusion. Or being in favor of things that caused black college enrollment and participation in various professional sectors to drop and still trying to give some lame azz argument in support of those policy actions as a black person. When people like Colin and Condi, as sharp as they are....and people like myself who are waaay less sharp than those two but yet a fairly high acheiver can acknowledge how affirmative action assisted us but blacks whose paths were clearly assisted socially and economically..in some instances to a greater extent than ours argue against that fact, then that is what i call "the different kind of negro"....what in the hell made them so damn special if they did not come to the table with unique skills that are borderline exotic. Hell I had skills at 26 one wouldn't believe...but i still saw "affirmative action candidate" on my file...which gave me the chance to be CONSIDERED despite being the highest qualified. Or when you have a group of negroes who swear they are the progressive thinkers of the race when they espouse views that are counter to 92% of their race politically, what makes them that "different negro" that can attest to the fact that the majority of their race cannot think clearly for themselves.....and they are the vanguard thinkers. So you see Melesi, it is not based on opinions at all..it is based on the clear factual observation of a small group that runs counter to the larger group on every issue. An opinionated premise would be if I THOUGHT they think that way....but they come out and inform you of the FACT they are conservative and articulate the counter black-majority view on an issue by issue basis....it is not MY perception (opinion), others in here will tell you the same thing.....which in turn gives the perception of them a great degree of generalizability......and makes it factual in nature......it is waaaay above and beyond my individual observation.....
Norland,

I think it begins with understanding the role and structure of families with normal socilization of children included. I think the other thing would be a concrete indoctrination of what a proper value system is where the attainment of materialistic goods is not so closely linked to self-adequacy. Afterwards, collective economic clout needs to be emphasized, from the standpoint of creating one's own infratstructure and wielding it for political gains inside the established political platforms....i think that is the greatest strength of Jews in america.....that is why they are small in mumber and large in clout.......just a thought bro.....
I concur with brother Kevin, the uncle Toms have never traveled the world and lived in a country other than the US but yet brag about the ˜Greatness' of the morally bankrupt US Nation. They use disdain when referring to black people qualifying them as ˜corrupt, brutal and murderous' people their own brethrens and kin -If they are black at all! They remain in denial and do not want to recognize that their kids and their grand kids, in fact their whole sorry ass generations to follow, will FOREVER BE SECOND CLASS CITIZEN (third class in America if you are black), that they will NEVER be in a position to contribute to a society fully, that they will always be the black face next door...These Uncle Toms feel the need to share their selfish ill begotten material gains with the rest of us righteous African men and women who believe in sharing, in communal living. They don't even realize that their "FREEDOM" do not bring them joy..If whitey loved them/us so much why THEY STILL IN 2003 HAVE ALL THE WEALTH ECONOMIC POWER? Idiots they hide their head in the sand while whitey butt fuck US ALL...The sad story is that these Uncle Toms are the real problem to the black race because whitey never launched a direct, frontal attack on Africans. In all the places he conquered, he first divided the people by looking for a Judas among them. With the promise of material benefits, Judas' are always used by the devil to destroy their own societies. For exemple Joseph Désiré Kabila and Mobutu Sesse Seko were/are the great Judas in Congo.. Lastly, these uncle Toms have the guts and cheek to portray the Caucasian as a guardian angel. Their biasness stinks to the high heavens and make me sick..

"Let the image of God be African. Let the angels be African as well and paint the devil any color you choose, but never the color of the Negro race." A.E. Beyioku.

[This message was edited by Lipati on April 30, 2003 at 03:05 AM.]
About the topic,

Noah it is becoming evident in many countries worldwide that journalism is used to produce biased public opinion. In the Westjournalism often involves lying and promoting ulterior agendas for instance in the interests of US and Britain. There are networks that specialize in such things, such as US FOX news, which proliferates watered down 'crap' that the government controls and censors before it comes through television. This work well on the American public...

There should be a need for truth in the news media, not a need for destructive, falsified testaments, disrespectful, sensationalist, defaming, insightful commentary to blind people.

Anyway my motto is always be skeptical no matter the source!

"Let the image of God be African. Let the angels be African as well and paint the devil any color you choose, but never the color of the Negro race." A.E. Beyioku.
Lipati posted,

The sad story is that these Uncle Toms are the real problem to the black race because whitey never launched a direct, frontal attack on Africans. In all the places he conquered, he first divided the people by looking for a Judas among them. With the promise of material benefits, Judas' are always used by the devil to destroy their own societies. For exemple Joseph Désiré Kabila and Mobutu Sesse Seko were/are the great Judas in Congo.. Lastly, these uncle Toms have the guts and cheek to portray the Caucasian as a guardian angel. Their biasness stinks to the high heavens and make me sick..



*yes sister Lipati,

You are very percpetive....between the ignorant who does not know what drives their psychologically destructive behavior and the apologist, caucasian loving loyalists....the progressive core of the black race is being weighed down.......as we try to drag everone forward and force them to see reality as it exists and think pro-black, not as whites tell them to think. I see what you are talking about all the time in corporate and academic america.......we have negroes who strive to be the "favorite" in the eyes of whites all the time....they do things to undermine other black professionals and students and in some cases have a track record of destroying the careers of other blacks. The sad part is, it is usually the nominally qualified butt kissing negro who obviously is not the most qualified, but the most self-subjugating. It is the kind of negro hired to give affirmative action a bad face....because once these negroes have served their purpose...they are usually cast aside in the most calloused way possible and do not perform without being propped up by gratuities for servitude. I think it is funny because then they want to affiliate with blacks and join mainstream black organizations now that they have been "wronged". I do not deal with them and think they deserve what the fu-k they got. I think in due time we will see what is weighing us down and not even give those kind of blacks the time of day.... through the education afforded to me by other black progressives, I have learned more about their afflictions and do not even try to rationalize with them anymore...there are websites that explain their clinically observable behavior. I still make them pay dearly whenever they come at me with that counter-to-black-self-interest nonsense in person. I can only imagine what our ancestors had to deal with through slavery and jim crow with the caucasian defending black....at least their plight was part of a psychological fear based on the horrors of that time....nowadays we just have people who defer to second-class citizentry because that is the natural pecking order in their minds.........to hell with them though...like the lady said in an article, "they'll be reminded of their blackness soon enough".......i'm just glad that there are many progressive blacks that know what time it is.......i'd be a loner otherwise........
I agree with my astute colleagues of African consciousness. In light of what we have discussed and the apparent inability of truth, logic and reasoning to penetrate the emotions of ones beliefs and opinions, it is obvious that another weapon is needed to promote change. I believe that the only weapon that can defeat the emotions surrounding and protecting beliefs are indeed Emotions themselves. The emotions of compassion love or fear are the only weapons to change entrenched beliefs and opinions protected by other emotions.

As a people, what we need is more emotions of love and compassion for each other, to go along with the centuries of facts of how we have been abused and how those abuses explains our current world state of depravity relative to others. For the life of me I cannot understand how any black person can ideologically align themselves with the forces that have wreaked havoc upon the black masses. I cannot understand why there is such a void of compassion and love for their people after all that we have been through as a people.

To answer a previouse question of your Lipati, I visited Ghana and Cote d'ivoire (Ivory Coast). Next year I hope to travel to either Tanzania or South Africa....God willing.

The truth has the effect of sunlight upon vampires when exposed to the wicked. If one recoils and does not embrace the light of truth....they are likely vampires.

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