Within the exclusively Euro-American/Judeo-Christain context in which we live, I'm having a hard time understanding what black separatism really means. Can someone help explain this?

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Personally I regard it as a kind of avoidance of Euro-think, a kind of intellectual segregation.

I noticed this quite a bit in college when I was in a fraternity but at the time I mostly just found it amusing. In order to be "intelligent" you MUST think like them. lol

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Originally posted by MBM:
Within the exclusively Euro-American/Judeo-Christain context in which we live, I'm having a hard time understanding what black separatism really means. Can someone help explain this?


Rejection of white supremacy in all forms not only relegated to that which is overt... as well as promotion of self determination,including Nation Building...
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by MBM:
Within the exclusively Euro-American/Judeo-Christain context in which we live, I'm having a hard time understanding what black separatism really means. Can someone help explain this?


Rejection of white supremacy in all forms not only relegated to that which is overt... as well as promotion of self determination,including Nation Building...


I hear you and understand your words, but I have a hard time really understanding what that means in a society and world where white supremacy thoroughly saturates every corner. As I said in another thread, what is the notion of separatism, practically, in a world where we speak their language, wear their clothes, go to their schools, eat their food, spend their dollars, drive their cars, pray to their gods, etc., etc., etc. Sure, some of us may claim a more Afrocentric corner of that landscape - but it seems we're still on the plantation.

It's like in college, even though some schools have black dorms and most black kids eat at the same table - they're still on a white campus in a white town in a white state in a white country. Big deal?

Even those of us who go to HBCU's and live in black neighborhoods and attend black churches and spend their money at black stores - at the end of the day - they still operate within a system that still serves white interests. So I struggle with the practical significance of the notion of black separatism.
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Originally posted by MBM:
Within the exclusively Euro-American/Judeo-Christain context in which we live, I'm having a hard time understanding what black separatism really means. Can someone help explain this?


Black Separatism is the antithesis of that self-same 'exclusivity' as chronicled above.

As in the above scenario, Black Separatism is but a mocking and a joke. Given the alternative, as an advocate for Black Separation I for One, would rather be a 'joke'.
While acknowledging the 'narrowness' of my focus, 'Black Separatism' as being described here strikes me a a substitute for...a form of...identity.

Clearly, all the things you say are true, yet the need to distinguish oneself continues to exist.

The 'effort' in all other Americans is called 'an expression to their ethnicity'.

I think it the same animal...just a different 'color'.

And that is where the 'rub' begins.

When it is 'black', it has to be 'put back'.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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Absent a clear objective and a concerted strategic plan to achieve it, I'm not sure what value burning a flag and wearing western military style clothing does to move black folks towards separation or liberation. It may make us feel good in the short term (and I agree that that has value), but does it put more food on the table and increase the power over our lives?

Honestly, black folks have rightfully articulated our grievances with this country since 1619. I have still yet to see a clear objective for our complete separation (where we going?); not any hint of a set of strategies and tactics to get us there. This is what frustrates me. The longer and longer that black folks go without a defined objective and strategy to achieve a "Black Nation" then the more and more black folks are going to buy into alternative visions for their lives.
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Originally posted by MBM:
Within the exclusively Euro-American/Judeo-Christain context in which we live, I'm having a hard time understanding what black separatism really means. Can someone help explain this?


Rejection of white supremacy in all forms not only relegated to that which is overt... as well as promotion of self determination,including Nation Building...


I hear you and understand your words, but I have a hard time really understanding what that means in a society and world where white supremacy thoroughly saturates every corner. As I said in another thread, what is the notion of separatism, practically, in a world where we speak their language, wear their clothes, go to their schools, eat their food, spend their dollars, drive their cars, pray to their gods, etc., etc., etc. Sure, some of us may claim a more Afrocentric corner of that landscape - but it seems we're still on the plantation.

It's like in college, even though some schools have black dorms and most black kids eat at the same table - they're still on a white campus in a white town in a white state in a white country. Big deal?

Even those of us who go to HBCU's and live in black neighborhoods and attend black churches and spend their money at black stores - at the end of the day - they still operate within a system that still serves white interests. So I struggle with the practical significance of the notion of black separatism.


Accepting that as your true beliefs do you feel any dissonance in regards to your euphoria over Obama and what it means practically for African Americans? The system of supremacy you speak of elected Obama……same system, different face on it. That is what I really and truly has a hard time reconciling. Why all the excitement over Obama when we live in a representative majority rule Republic in which European Americans are in dominance. Whose interest do we really think Obama is going to look out for, when the white majority accepts the state of socioeconomic racial inequality. The only way we can get our issues looked out for....is if we co-sign the majority opinion on the matter....which has de facto become the case to get Obama elected as president.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

Accepting that as your true beliefs do you feel any dissonance in regards to your euphoria over Obama and what it means practically for African Americans? The system of supremacy you speak of elected Obama……same system, different face on it.


First, I do not oppose the separatist movement. If Jews can have Zionism, then why can't African Americans have their nationalist movement? I honestly just don't know how practical it is any more. Again, where are we going and how are we going to get there are fundamental questions that I have never heard cogent responses to.

Second, some people believe that they can only support the ultimate objective without expending any effort toward any short term gains. I disagree. Barack will have a positive impact on black folks today. Will he deliver us into nationalist black nirvana? Of course not. So, I support him, as I support vigorous participation in our current system because I believe it can have real and practical benefits to black people. This does not preclude thinking and planning at different levels to better our collective lot in this world long term.
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Thanks, but I never heard anyone suggest that Obama was supposed to lead us to separatism. I had dissonance in regards to an Obama presidency. On one hand it was positive and on the other hand it was negative. Dissonance is like being glad to be an American, while black, but realizing that how most of us got to be American is from 3 centuries of our ancestor’s oppression. Can I be really glad to be an American when the process involved so much oppression and pain from our ancestors….and hence; I am glad that they went through it because I got to live in America in this day?

I should not project the dissonance that I experienced over the Obama presidency to be held by others. I just saw it as a step forward and one and a half steps backwards. The step forward was black individual accomplishment and the one and a half step backwards is the subduing of the struggle for racial equality. Why? The reason being is that for all intents and purposes, the Obama presidency will be used to represent closure on the issue of racial equality, cosigned by blacks.
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I just saw it as a step forward and one and a half steps backwards.


Whatever steps "backward", IMO, would be more than offset by the positive impact to black peoples lives of Obama doing some of the things that he has promised. Creating a higher minimum wage, instituting universal healthcare, shoring up civil rights laws, doing things to bring jobs back to America etc. are all things that can have an immediate and positive impact on black folks. If there is a negative, or step back, it would seem to be more philosophical and could, therefore, be sacrificed, IMHO, on the altar of better health, better jobs, better education, etc.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I just saw it as a step forward and one and a half steps backwards.


Whatever steps "backward", IMO, would be more than offset by the positive impact to black peoples lives of Obama doing some of the things that he has promised. Creating a higher minimum wage, instituting universal healthcare, shoring up civil rights laws, doing things to bring jobs back to America etc. are all things that can have an immediate and positive impact on black folks. If there is a negative, or step back, it would seem to be more philosophical and could, therefore, be sacrificed, IMHO, on the altar of better health, better jobs, better education, etc.


I would have to agree with this. Something along the lines of "a rising tide lifts all boats".

There are enough perceptive, politically active Americans (of all hues) to recognize that a symbol of racial closure in Obama does not equal the end of American racism or our collective responsibility to combat it.
Well, that which is being proposed by Obama is typical Democratic policies. The different socioeconomic impact of the two major political parties in America, upon the African American community, is acknowledged. It definitely represents a distinction with a difference….at least over the last 30 years or so. However, what I am arguing is that Obama has shown nothing, policy wise, which separates him, in degree or kind, from the typical Democrat. There were never such great expectations and hope, in my lifetime, placed by blacks upon a president. What will Obama deliver to the black condition that the last democratic presidents did not….other than matching colors?

The black struggle has always been driven by black opposition to the status quo, but always made possible by whites coming on board realizing the injustice and siding with us to break down barriers. What a black presidency does is send the message to white America that blacks have made it and that the only true obstacles to black progress is blacks themselves. Such will expedite the erosion of Affirmative Action and race based policies and even rhetoric. Furthermore, blacks will subdue their “pressing” and agitation of the government in an attempt to promote a successful Obama presidency, by not putting him on the spot in regards to divisive issues that could turn white sentiment against him if he is seen as leaning to much to the “black” or playing favoritism. The same rational that kept blacks from confronting Obama with racial inequality issues during the campaign will prove to be the same rationale that keeps blacks from pressing his administration. The fallacy was the idea that this only needed to happen to get him elected and that he can play it cool until he gets elected…..then it will be a different story. Well…..he is looking at reelection and to have a successful presidency….so the strategy will never change.
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Whatever steps "backward", IMO, would be more than offset by the positive impact to black peoples lives of Obama doing some of the things that he has promised. Creating a higher minimum wage, instituting universal healthcare, shoring up civil rights laws, doing things to bring jobs back to America etc. are all things that can have an immediate and positive impact on black folks. If there is a negative, or step back, it would seem to be more philosophical and could, therefore, be sacrificed, IMHO, on the altar of better health, better jobs, better education, etc.


yeah It would seem that some would starve to death because they see no way to eat the entire elephant in a single bite, let alone, sitting.

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The reason being is that for all intents and purposes, the Obama presidency will be used to represent closure on the issue of racial equality, cosigned by blacks.


Only if we let them ... Only when we allow them to define the what racial equality looks like.

Acknowledging progress is not the same as saying "mission accomplished". In fact, it could be argued that human nature requires such acknowledgement in order for there to be continued movement towards any long-range goal.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
it could be argued that human nature requires such acknowledgement in order for there to be continued movement towards any long-range goal.


This also is true.
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Originally posted by MBM:
what is the notion of separatism, practically,


Most separatists I've known do not see separatism as a one time big event... ala Garvey "let's all get on the boat" or a huge war.. (though these historically have been catalysts)

But a mindset wherein all collective actions lead toward full self determinism...

Think of the "spook that sat By the Door"

Everyone has a part to play but the goal is the same..
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

Most separatists I've known do not see separatism as a one time big event... ala Garvey "let's all get on the boat" or a huge war.. (though these historically have been catalysts)

But a mindset wherein all collective actions lead toward full self determinism...

Think of the "spook that sat By the Door"

Everyone has a part to play but the goal is the same..


Interesting. Do you have a sense as to how current efforts (whatever they may be) are moving us toward "full self-determinism"?
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

Most separatists I've known do not see separatism as a one time big event... ala Garvey "let's all get on the boat" or a huge war.. (though these historically have been catalysts)

But a mindset wherein all collective actions lead toward full self determinism...

Think of the "spook that sat By the Door"

Everyone has a part to play but the goal is the same..


Interesting. Do you have a sense as to how current efforts (whatever they may be) are moving us toward "full self-determinism"?

No.. because that's too broad..

Determinism is defined by each individual..

A Black President to one person may represent a step towards a more peaceful integration into CURRENT society... the concern for black people as a whole not being an issue... this will represent a step towards image enhancement that may make it easier to secure resources for the benefit of themselves within this political/social framework.. they like where they are they just want it to be a bit more comfortable...

A Black President to another person may represent a step towards image enhancement for black people in general which may make it easier for international and domestic negotiations for resources that were previously unopened to them... the goal being to amass resources and take advantage of this opportunity on the road to a full self determining Nation... they do not like where they are but will tolerate and milk it until they get their own...

oh and why is this an issue for you.. it feels like you're playing around with the topic... I thought you were anti separatist...
The idea of a self determined black nation is a foolish dream and has wasted countless amounts of time, effort, and money.
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

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Originally posted by MBM:
Within the exclusively Euro-American/Judeo-Christain context in which we live, I'm having a hard time understanding what black separatism really means. Can someone help explain this?


Rejection of white supremacy in all forms not only relegated to that which is overt... as well as promotion of self determination,including Nation Building...


I hear you and understand your words, but I have a hard time really understanding what that means in a society and world where white supremacy thoroughly saturates every corner. As I said in another thread, what is the notion of separatism, practically, in a world where we speak their language, wear their clothes, go to their schools, eat their food, spend their dollars, drive their cars, pray to their gods, etc., etc., etc. Sure, some of us may claim a more Afrocentric corner of that landscape - but it seems we're still on the plantation.

It's like in college, even though some schools have black dorms and most black kids eat at the same table - they're still on a white campus in a white town in a white state in a white country. Big deal?

Even those of us who go to HBCU's and live in black neighborhoods and attend black churches and spend their money at black stores - at the end of the day - they still operate within a system that still serves white interests. So I struggle with the practical significance of the notion of black separatism.


@ MBM ... I got a question ....

BEFORE the CRM and integration, when the majority of Black people were not welcomed to be a part of White society and had to depend on each other for many things/necessities ....

Using as examples cities such as Tulsa and Harlem ... can you see that as an example of a Black Separatist situation? Confused

I'm asking because (to me) you are asking for a definition of a complete and total impossibility - a completely separate Black nation within the boundaries of a White-run establishment. And if that is impossible, why even ask? Confused

But it does seem to me like there can be, as it was in Tulsa and other places, a situation where Black people take care of Black people .. ourselves and each other. And couldn't that, considering the circumstances, also be considered to be a separate Black Nation, if everything we do is centered on our own empowerment?
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First, I do not oppose the separatist movement. If Jews can have Zionism, then why can't African Americans have their nationalist movement?


Zionism is an international ideology and organized movememnt, maybe instead of an micro-nationalist solution of literalist 'seperatism'(which BTW I do not see most folk labelled seperatists concerned with this, I like how Khalliqa broke that down) we should then focus on Pan Africanism? Just a thought...

As far as strategies and tactics... You may want to check out...

Ahmed Sékou Touré. Strategy and tactics of the revolution.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
@ MBM ... I got a question ....

BEFORE the CRM and integration, when the majority of Black people were not welcomed to be a part of White society and had to depend on each other for many things/necessities ....

Using as examples cities such as Tulsa and Harlem ... can you see that as an example of a Black Separatist situation? Confused


I'd call that ethno-aggregation...
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
So, I support him, as I support vigorous participation in our current system because I believe it can have real and practical benefits to black people. This does not preclude thinking and planning at different levels to better our collective lot in this world long term.


well stated!
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
So, I support him, as I support vigorous participation in our current system because I believe it can have real and practical benefits to black people. This does not preclude thinking and planning at different levels to better our collective lot in this world long term.


well stated!


Wasn't me sis. Cool
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
@ MBM ... I got a question ....

BEFORE the CRM and integration, when the majority of Black people were not welcomed to be a part of White society and had to depend on each other for many things/necessities ....

Using as examples cities such as Tulsa and Harlem ... can you see that as an example of a Black Separatist situation? Confused


I'd call that ethno-aggregation...


Okay .. which is a fancy name for 'Black folks taking care of each other socially and economically', right? Confused

Or no? 19

And if this is true ... what is not "Black Nation" about that?? Regardless of where (the confines in which) it takes place ... would that not be considered 'nation-building'?? Confused
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I use to write about this a long time ago. I brings back memories.

There can be not "seperation" without nationhood. So you can ideologically agree with the premise of seperatism but you can't say you practice seperatism unless either you are a hermit that lives off the land, or you are in a nation of Blacks that have completed divested themselves of America.

That is why Elijah M. from the Nation had it correct in theory when he targeted the southern states for an "independent" land. Why Marcus Garvey had it correct when he wanted to relocate us to Liberia.

You can't be seperate as long as you live and exist non-subsistently in a country that you (meaning Black folks) do not control.

One CAN NOT completely psychologically divest themselves from a system in which they willfully participate EVERYDAY. This is the double consciousness WEB D. wrote about. The dichotomy of the African American consciousness whereby they recognize oppression, yet want to wear the Air Jordan's produced by that system that oppresses.
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I'd call that ethno-aggregation...


So would Dr. Claude Anderson. tfro

I believe that Black Separatism while remaining in and/or a part of the United States is an impossibility.

But I see ethno-aggregation as an important first step towards pan-africanism [though I still don't really understand its many subtletie].
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Originally posted by urbansun:
I use to write about this a long time ago. I brings back memories.

There can be not "seperation" without nationhood. So you can ideologically agree with the premise of seperatism but you can't say you practice seperatism unless either you are a hermit that lives off the land, or you are in a nation of Blacks that have completed divested themselves of America.

That is why Elijah M. from the Nation had it correct in theory when he targeted the southern states for an "independent" land. Why Marcus Garvey had it correct when he wanted to relocate us to Liberia.

You can't be seperate as long as you live and exist non-subsistently in a country that you (meaning Black folks) do not control.

One CAN NOT completely psychologically divest themselves from a system in which they willfully participate EVERYDAY. This is the double consciousness WEB D. wrote about. The dichotomy of the African American consciousness whereby they recognize oppression, yet want to wear the Air Jordan's produced by that system that oppresses.


Did you just answer my question? Confused
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Originally posted by urbansun:
I use to write about this a long time ago. I brings back memories.

There can be not "seperation" without nationhood. So you can ideologically agree with the premise of seperatism but you can't say you practice seperatism unless either you are a hermit that lives off the land, or you are in a nation of Blacks that have completed divested themselves of America.

That is why Elijah M. from the Nation had it correct in theory when he targeted the southern states for an "independent" land. Why Marcus Garvey had it correct when he wanted to relocate us to Liberia.

You can't be seperate as long as you live and exist non-subsistently in a country that you (meaning Black folks) do not control.

One CAN NOT completely psychologically divest themselves from a system in which they willfully participate EVERYDAY. This is the double consciousness WEB D. wrote about. The dichotomy of the African American consciousness whereby they recognize oppression, yet want to wear the Air Jordan's produced by that system that oppresses.


Did you just answer my question? Confused


lol Not exactly ... But he did explain why we can have ethno-aggregation; but not Black Separatism. lol
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I'd call that ethno-aggregation...


So would Dr. Claude Anderson. tfro

I believe that Black Separatism while remaining in and/or a part of the United States is an impossibility.

But I see ethno-aggregation as an important first step * towards pan-africanism [though I still don't really understand its many subtletie].


*For Africans in America

tfro appl
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
lol Not exactly ... But he did explain why we can have ethno-aggregation; but not Black Separatism. lol


LOL ... okay .... 'cause I wasn't sure if I was still confused or not! Big Grin

But ... while I'm understanding the 'Separatism' thing ... and have only the slightest concept of "ethno-aggregation" ... I believe I'm seeing a difference in Black Nation (building) (which I think is the same as the ethno-aggregation thing) .. and Black Separatism.

While Black Separatism (within the confines of America) is an impossibility ... Black Nation (building) is not.

Am I correct? Confused
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
But ... while I'm understanding the 'Separatism' thing ... and have only the slightest concept of "ethno-aggregation" ... I believe I'm seeing a difference in Black Nation (building) (which I think is the same as the ethno-aggregation thing) .. and Black Separatism.

While Black Separatism (within the confines of America) is an impossibility ... Black Nation (building) is not.

Am I correct? Confused


Might the confusion have to do with the building blocks, that make up what is ethno-aggregation are similar, if not the same, as that which it would take to build a nation?

...Okay, now I'm confussed.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
lol Not exactly ... But he did explain why we can have ethno-aggregation; but not Black Separatism. lol


LOL ... okay .... 'cause I wasn't sure if I was still confused or not! Big Grin

But ... while I'm understanding the 'Separatism' thing ... and have only the slightest concept of "ethno-aggregation" ... I believe I'm seeing a difference in Black Nation (building) (which I think is the same as the ethno-aggregation thing) .. and Black Separatism.

While Black Separatism (within the confines of America) is an impossibility ... Black Nation (building) is not.

Am I correct? Confused


Might the confusion have to do with the building blocks, that make up what is ethno-aggregation are similar, if not the same, as that which it would take to build a nation?


I think so, Raptor! Big Grin

But ... I can't really get a clear definition of what 'ethno-aggregation' is (I think OA thinks I'm not being sincere and am just trying to pull her chain .. but my ignorance is completely real!).

So, I think that the rose just has a different name! But I can't really be for sure.
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First, I do not oppose the separatist movement. If Jews can have Zionism, then why can't African Americans have their nationalist movement? I honestly just don't know how practical it is any more.


It's not. After how many years has it been since we have been talking and yapping about it? It hasn't worked yet and there is nothing outside of fantatsy and schutle butt talk that suggest it ever will.

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Again, where are we going and how are we going to get there are fundamental questions that I have never heard cogent responses to.

Good question. And you never will get a definitive cogent answer. It's the same self intoxicating noise Negroes would rattle about back in the late 60's-early 70's about when the revolution comes. You know, the one Gil Scott Heron talked about in his recording The Revolution Will Not be Televised or the one the Last Poets and Leroi Jones (Amira Baraka now) talked about. Forty years later and it still ain't happened! Oh well……..
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
I believe that Black Separatism while remaining in and/or a part of the United States is an impossibility.


In a literal since, I would have to agree.
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Originally posted by Xeon:
After how many years has it been since we have been talking and yapping about it? It hasn't worked yet and there is nothing outside of fantatsy and schutle butt talk that suggest it ever will.
Couldn't be as farfetched as those waiting for the second coming, could it?

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Forty years later and it still ain't happened! Oh well……..


Xeon,

What would become of the manifest destiny, if yt had this attitude?

For it took far more than 40 years for their destiny to manifest, no?
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
@ MBM ... I got a question ....

BEFORE the CRM and integration, when the majority of Black people were not welcomed to be a part of White society and had to depend on each other for many things/necessities ....

Using as examples cities such as Tulsa and Harlem ... can you see that as an example of a Black Separatist situation? Confused


I'd call that ethno-aggregation...


Okay .. which is a fancy name for 'Black folks taking care of each other socially and economically', right? Confused


In a simplified manner, yes...

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And if this is true ... what is not "Black Nation" about that?? Regardless of where (the confines in which) it takes place ... would that not be considered 'nation-building'?? Confused


It's not 'literal separatism'(succession) which when given focus IMO is a distraction away from what we should be concentrating on, particularly considering that we live in a global society... Otherwise, I feel yah...
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I think so, Raptor! Big Grin

But ... I can't really get a clear definition of what 'ethno-aggregation' is (I think OA thinks I'm not being sincere and am just trying to pull her chain .. but my ignorance is completely real!).


I didn't think that you were pulling my chain. I just assumed we(who frequent the Issues & Politics section) had already discussed this in so many other threads(that you were a part of, now that I looked them up) that everyone already knew what it was... my bad.

ethno-aggregation: the pooling of resources and power to produce, distribute and consume in a way that creates goods and wealth that a particular ethnic group of people control.

ethno-aggregation as an economic strategy is a sound one used by other ethnic groups in the U.S. "Many have followed this strategy. The Asian community in Silicon Valley, for example, has its own venture capital network."


http://www.black-collegian.com...entury2002-1st.shtml
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Zionism is an international ideology and organized movememnt, maybe instead of an micro-nationalist solution of literalist 'seperatism'(which BTW I do not see most folk labelled seperatists concerned with this, I like how Khalliqa broke that down) we should then focus on Pan Africanism? Just a thought...

off BTW - what do you think of Gaddafi's concept of a United States of Africa?
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Originally posted by MBM:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Zionism is an international ideology and organized movememnt, maybe instead of an micro-nationalist solution of literalist 'seperatism'(which BTW I do not see most folk labelled seperatists concerned with this, I like how Khalliqa broke that down) we should then focus on Pan Africanism? Just a thought...

off BTW - what do you think of Gaddafi's concept of a United States of Africa?


Put it this way... The A-APRP has a yearly delegation meeting with him in Libya, and he was one of Kwame Ture's closest friends... Flying him to Libya to treat his cancer...

A United states of Africa is inevitable. It's just whether the unification will serve the interests of the masses of African people, or the mis-leaders(who are puppets) and the imperialists.

I like Muammar Gaddafi's rhetoric, have for years... and now that he has left the Arab League, I trust his 'African' loyalties a bit more... but you never know... We'll find out though won't we?

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