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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
You left one off the list... Assimilation.

What we wnted was integration... what we got was assimilation...

This, in my opinion, is the single most devistating change...

For many people, integration = assimilation. I have heard the dichotomy that I think you are trying to make expressed as, "We wanted desegregation but got intergration."
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Originally posted by kresge:

For many people, integration = assimilation. I have heard the dichotomy that I think you are trying to make expressed as, "We wanted desegregation but got intergration."
With the exception of spelling "wanted" wrong, I said what I meant...

Regardless of what your interpretation of the words integration and assimilation are, they are two completely different words with two different meanings...

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From ERose:
But it did seem like a good idea at the time...
It was a great idea, we were just hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray...
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Originally posted by AudioGuy:
It was a great idea, we were just hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray...


Alright Malcolm... Big Grin

I voted for the breakdown of the Black family. I think if our familial ties were stronger, so many things would improve in the Black community and we would be better off in every area of life.
Many may disagree with this but I voted for Black middle class flight out of all Black neighborhoods and the creation of projects. Before desegregaton or whatever you want to call it you had middle class, working class, working poor, unemployed, etc. living in neighborhoods together. Children were more aware of what their options were. People of different economic backgrounds knew eachother and didn't fear eachother. The "project" was a success: "Let's put all these economically depressed, overwhelmingly Black and Hispanic people all together in one spot so that everyone they see is just as poor as them. We won't have to do much, just make sure that drugs and weapons are readily available and all the surrounding institutions (e.g. schools, banks, 'criminal justice' system) are continuing to do their part in maintaining the status quo. We'll make sure that success is measured in how many material things you can acquire and the only people they see acquiring these things are the people who entertain us (sports figures, musicians etc.) or people participating in that criminal lifestyle and contributing to their own destruction. It's a one in a million shot that they will become that superstar athelete/entertainer so hopefully they'll take the path of self-destuction. Then just sit back and watch them self-destruct."
As far as the other options, in my opinion the breakdown of the Black family is important but look at the fact that our families have been forcibly broken up since the time of slavery but before the 1980's there seemed to be more of a sense of unity. How many people before the 1980s were raised by single moms? Of course the ideal would be to devoted parents but it does take a village to raise a child and children used to have the opportunity to see other types of role models in more economically diverse Black neighborhoods. I'm 28 so maybe I'm just romanitcizing the past, but that's what it seems like to me. I don't have the impression that things were perfect back then but the unity seemed to be stronger. It seems that we can better come up with solutions to our problems is we begin from a more unified foundation.
As far as political apathy is concerned I have to admit to being kind of apathetic myself. Don't get me wrong, I follow politics and I vote in every single election, but I have very little faith that my vote makes a difference. To be quite honest, the only reason I continue to vote is because I see it as a method of honoring my ancestors. I know that many believed that this was the solution for us, and many suffered and died to bring this into a reality for us. It is to honor their memories that I vote. Often I vote for one of the more obscure political parties (not democrat or republican) just because the difference between the "big 2" is lost on me.
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Many may disagree with this but I voted for Black middle class flight


Yea. What she said. fro

The black family was broken and remains broken IMHO since slavery. We were making head way until the start of CRM when we were integrated. The black middle class left the black community and the poorer people had no other positive images or examples.
Personally, I think #3 is the most destructive change in the Black community, #2 and #1 probably result from #3. I think the cause of political apathy in the Black Community is because politics today are dominated by Big Business (both parties) and so the average people become disillusioned with no one truly representing them.

I also like the way these members put it:

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Originally posted by powerflower:
Many may disagree with this but I voted for Black middle class flight out of all Black neighborhoods and the creation of projects. Before desegregaton or whatever you want to call it you had middle class, working class, working poor, unemployed, etc. living in neighborhoods together. Children were more aware of what their options were. People of different economic backgrounds knew eachother and didn't fear eachother. The "project" was a success: "Let's put all these economically depressed, overwhelmingly Black and Hispanic people all together in one spot so that everyone they see is just as poor as them. We won't have to do much, just make sure that drugs and weapons are readily available and all the surrounding institutions (e.g. schools, banks, 'criminal justice' system) are continuing to do their part in maintaining the status quo. We'll make sure that success is measured in how many material things you can acquire and the only people they see acquiring these things are the people who entertain us (sports figures, musicians etc.) or people participating in that criminal lifestyle and contributing to their own destruction. It's a one in a million shot that they will become that superstar athelete/entertainer so hopefully they'll take the path of self-destuction. Then just sit back and watch them self-destruct."



quote:
Originally posted by AudioGuy:
You left one off the list... Assimilation.

What we wnted was integration... what we got was assimilation...

This, in my opinion, is the single most devistating change...


Political apathy, the breakdown of the Black Family, Black-on-Black crime, Black Flight and token integrationism is railroading the Black community.
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
Personally, I think #3 is the most destructive change in the Black community, #2 and #1 probably result from #3. I think the cause of political apathy in the Black Community is because politics today are dominated by Big Business (both parties) and so the average people become disillusioned with no one truly representing them.

I also like the way these members put it:

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Originally posted by powerflower:
Many may disagree with this but I voted for Black middle class flight out of all Black neighborhoods and the creation of projects. Before desegregaton or whatever you want to call it you had middle class, working class, working poor, unemployed, etc. living in neighborhoods together. Children were more aware of what their options were. People of different economic backgrounds knew eachother and didn't fear eachother. The "project" was a success: "Let's put all these economically depressed, overwhelmingly Black and Hispanic people all together in one spot so that everyone they see is just as poor as them. We won't have to do much, just make sure that drugs and weapons are readily available and all the surrounding institutions (e.g. schools, banks, 'criminal justice' system) are continuing to do their part in maintaining the status quo. We'll make sure that success is measured in how many material things you can acquire and the only people they see acquiring these things are the people who entertain us (sports figures, musicians etc.) or people participating in that criminal lifestyle and contributing to their own destruction. It's a one in a million shot that they will become that superstar athelete/entertainer so hopefully they'll take the path of self-destuction. Then just sit back and watch them self-destruct."



quote:
Originally posted by AudioGuy:
You left one off the list... Assimilation.

What we wnted was integration... what we got was assimilation...

This, in my opinion, is the single most devistating change...


Political apathy, the breakdown of the Black Family, Black-on-Black crime, Black Flight and token integrationism is railroading the Black community.


Ummm... yeah too...


Peace,
Virtue
None of the above. I would say crack(in other words Reaganomics)...which has contributed to making all of the above choices epidemic problems.

There was the African community in Amerikkka before and after crack IMO.

Ever see the movie 'Letter to the president"?... It is based upon this premise.
Peace....



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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
None of the above. I would say crack(in other words Reaganomics)...which has contributed to making all of the above choices epidemic problems.

There was the African community in Amerikkka before and after crack IMO.

Ever see the movie 'Letter to the president"?... It is based upon this premise.


yeah



Kai
I changed my mind....

The Most Destructive Change in the Black Community happened before our arrival here in North America.....

It was the mentality that Europeans have something greater (gold, religion, white women, friendship, promised land, weapons, drugs,intellectual prism etc....)to offer than our own self determination, unity, intellect and freedom....

We continue to fall hook, line and sinker for this today.....

and our divisiveness is a reflection of this.... from the halls of Howard and Hahvaaad where we propagate their racist viewpoints to the ghettoes within Baltimore and Compton where we propagate their superiority complex with our economic dependency..... and everywhere we propagate immorality, hedonistic thinking,classism, colorism, environmental destruction, familial distortion, gender distortion and cultural bias..... we are divided over how thoroughly we will align ourselves with white folks......



Peace,
Virtue

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