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Rather than get into a he-said/he-said contest about understanding Cosby's statements, I figured I'd just post them. They have probably been posted a while ago, but if its going to be such an ongoing discussion, its good to have easy access to his actual comments (rather than journal articals that are 'summarizing' what he said). So as I find the different transcripts I'll post them. Anyone else do the same.

http://www.eightcitiesmap.com/transcript_bc.htm


DR BILL COSBY SPEAKS


at the 50th Anniversary commemoration

of the Brown vs Topeka Board of Education

Supreme Court Decision



Transcript kindly provided by

Dr Bill Cosby's public relations representatives.


(*Editor's note: Please understand that there may be some minor typographical inaccuracies resulting from audio to text software resolution issues.)





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Ladies and gentlemen, I really have to ask you to seriously consider what you've heard, and now this is the end of the evening so to speak. I heard a prize fight manager say to his fellow who was losing badly, "David, listen to me. It's not what's he's doing to you. It's what you're not doing. (laughter).


Ladies and gentlemen, these people set, they opened the doors, they gave us the right, and today, ladies and gentlemen, in our cities and public schools we have fifty percent drop out. In our own neighborhood, we have men in prison. No longer is a person embarrassed because they're pregnant without a husband. (clapping) No longer is a boy considered an embarrassment if he tries to run away from being the father of the unmarried child (clapping)

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Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are [not*] holding their end in this deal. In the neighborhood that most of us grew up in, parenting is not going on. (clapping) In the old days, you couldn't hooky school because every drawn shade was an eye (laughing). And before your mother got off the bus and to the house, she knew exactly where you had gone, who had gone into the house, and where you got on whatever you had one and where you got it from. Parents don't know that today.


I'm talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit. Where were you when he was two? (clapping) Where were you when he was twelve? (clapping) Where were you when he was eighteen, and how come you don't know he had a pistol? (clapping) And where is his father, and why don't you know where he is? And why doesn't the father show up to talk to this boy?



The church is only open on Sunday. And you can't keep asking Jesus to ask doing things for you (clapping). You can't keep asking that God will find a way. God is tired of you (clapping and laughing). God was there when they won all those cases. 50 in a row. That's where God was because these people were doing something. And God said, "I'm going to find a way." I wasn't there when God said it... I'm making this up (laughter). But it sounds like what God would do (laughter).


We cannot blame white people. White people (clapping) .. white people don't live over there. They close up the shop early. The Korean ones still don't know us as well...they stay open 24 hours (laughter).


I'm looking and I see a man named Kenneth Clark. He and his wife Mamie...Kenneth's still alive. I have to apologize to him for these people because Kenneth said it straight. He said you have to strengthen yourselves...and we've got to have that black doll. And everybody said it. Julian Bond said it. Dick Gregory said it. All these lawyers said it. And you wouldn't know that anybody had done a damned thing.



50 percent drop out rate, I'm telling you, and people in jail, and women having children by five, six different men. Under what excuse, I want somebody to love me, and as soon as you have it, you forget to parent. Grandmother, mother, and great grandmother in the same room, raising children, and the child knows nothing about love or respect of any one of the three of them (clapping). All this child knows is "gimme, gimme, gimme." These people want to buy the friendship of a child....and the child couldn't care less. Those of us sitting out here who have gone on to some college or whatever we've done, we still fear our parents (clapping and laughter). And these people are not parenting. They're buying things for the kid. $500 sneakers, for what? They won't buy or spend $250 on Hooked on Phonics. (clapping)


A\Kenneth Clark, somewhere in his home in upstate New York...just looking ahead. Thank God, he doesn't know what's going on, thank God. But these people, the ones up here in the balcony fought so hard. Looking at the incarcerated, these are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake! Then we all run out and are outraged, "The cops shouldn't have shot him" What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand? (laughter and clapping). I wanted a piece of pound cake just as bad as anybody else (laughter) And I looked at it and I had no money. And something called parenting said if get caught with it you're going to embarrass your mother. Not you're going to get your butt kicked. No. You're going to embarrass your mother. You're going to embarrass your family.


If knock that girl up, you're going to have to run away because it's going to be too embarrassing for your family. In the old days, a girl getting pregnant had to go down South, and then her mother would go down to get her. But the mother had the baby. I said the mother had the baby. The girl didn't have a baby. The mother had the baby in two weeks. (laughter) We are not parenting. Ladies and gentlemen, listen to these people, they are showing you what's wrong. People putting their clothes on backwards. –isn't that a sign of something going on wrong? (laughter)



Are you not paying attention, people with their hat on backwards, pants down around the crack. Isn't that a sign of something, or are you waiting for Jesus to pull his pants up (laughter and clapping ). Isn't it a sign of something when she's got her dress all the way up to the crack...and got all kinds of needles and things going through her body. What part of Africa did this come from? (laughter). We are not Africans. Those people are not Africans, they don't know a damned thing about Africa. With names like Shaniqua, Shaligua, Mohammed and all that crap and all of them are in jail. (When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What's the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up).



Brown Versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem. We've got to take the neighborhood back (clapping). We've got to go in there. Just forget telling your child to go to the Peace Corps. It's right around the corner. (laughter) It's standing on the corner. It can't speak English. It doesn't want to speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk. "Why you ain't where you is go, ra," I don't know who these people are. And I blamed the kid until I heard the mother talk (laughter). Then I heard the father talk. This is all in the house. You used to talk a certain way on the corner and you got into the house and switched to English. Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads. You can't land a plane with "why you ain't..." You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth. There is no Bible that has that kind of language. Where did these people get the idea that they're moving ahead on this. Well, they know they're not, they're just hanging out in the same place, five or six generations sitting in the projects when you're just supposed to stay there long enough to get a job and move out.


Now look, I'm telling you. It's not what they're doing to us. It's what we're not doing. 50 percent drop out. Look, we're raising our own ingrown immigrants. These people are fighting hard to be ignorant. There's no English being spoken, and they're walking and they're angry. Oh God, they're angry and they have pistols and they shoot and they do stupid things. And after they kill somebody, they don't have a plan. Just murder somebody. Boom. Over what? A pizza? And then run to the poor cousin's house. They sit there and the cousin says "what are you doing here?" "I just killed somebody, man." "What?" "I just killed somebody, I've got to stay here." "No, you don't." "Well, give me some money, I'll go..." "Where are you going?" "North Carolina." Everybody wanted to go to North Carolina. But the police know where you're going because your cousin has a record.


Five or six different children, same woman, eight, ten different husbands or whatever, pretty soon you're going to have to have DNA cards so you can tell who you're making love to. You don't who this is. It might be your grandmother. (laughter) I'm telling you, they're young enough. Hey, you have a baby when you're twelve. Your baby turns thirteen and has a baby, how old are you? Huh? Grandmother. By the time you're twelve, you could have sex with your grandmother, you keep those numbers coming. I'm just predicting.


I'm saying Brown Vs. Board of Education. We've got to hit the streets, ladies and gentlemen. I'm winding up, now , no more applause. I'm saying, look at the Black Muslims. There are Black Muslims standing on the street corners and they say so forth and so on, and we'rere laughing at them because they have bean pies and all that, but you don't read "Black Muslim gunned down while chastising drug dealer." You don't read that. They don't shoot down Black Muslims. You understand me. Muslims tell you to get out of the neighborhood. When you want to clear your neighborhood out, first thing you do is go get the Black Muslims, bean pies and all (laughter). And your neighborhood is then clear. The police can't do it .


I'm telling you Christians, what's wrong with you? Why can't you hit the streets? Why can't you clean it out yourselves? It's our time now, ladies and gentlemen. It is our time (clapping). And I've got good news for you. It's not about money. It's about you doing something ordinarily that we do"”get in somebody else's business. It's time for you to not accept the language that these people are speaking, which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown V. Board of Education if nobody wants it?



What is it with young girls getting after some girl who wants to still remain a virgin. Who are these sick black people and where did they come from and why haven't they been parented to shut up? To go up to girls and try to get a club where "you are nobody..," this is a sickness ladies and gentlemen and we are not paying attention to these children. These are children. They don't know anything. They don't have anything. They're homeless people. All they know how to do is beg. And you give it to them, trying to win their friendship. And what are they good for? And then they stand there in an orange suit and you drop to your knees, "(crying sound) He didn't do anything, he didn't do anything." Yes, he did do it. And you need to have an orange suit on too (laughter, clapping).


So, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for the award (big laughter) and giving me an opportunity to speak because, I mean, this is the future, and all of these people who lined up and done..they've got to be wondering what the hell happened. Brown V. Board of Education, these people who marched and were hit in the face with rocks and punched in the face to get an education and we got these knuckleheads walking around who don't want to learn English (clapping) I know that you all know it. I just want to get you as angry that you ought to be. When you walk around the neighborhood and you see this stuff, that stuff's not funny. These people are not funny anymore. And that ˜s not brother. And that's not my sister. They're faking and they're dragging me way down because the state, the city and all these people have to pick up the tab on them because they don't want to accept that they have to study to get an education.



We have to begin to build in the neighborhood, have restaurants, have cleaners, have pharmacies, have real estate, have medical buildings instead of trying to rob them all. And so, ladies and gentlemen, please, Dorothy Height, where ever she's sitting, she didn't do all that stuff so that she could hear somebody say "I can't stand algebra, I can't stand...and "what you is." It's horrible.


Basketball players, multimillionaires can't write a paragraph. Football players, multimillionaires, can't read. Yes. Multimillionaires. Well, Brown V Board of Education, where are we today? It's there. They paved the way. What did we do with it. The white man, he's laughing, got to be laughing. 50 percent drop out, rest of them in prison.

You got to tell me that if there was parenting, help me, if there was parenting, he wouldn't have picked up the Coca Cola bottle and walked out with it to get shot in the back of the head. He wouldn't have. Not if he loved his parents. And not if they were parenting! Not if the father would come home. Not if the boy hadn't dropped the sperm cell inside of the girl and the girl had said, "No, you have to come back here and be the father of this child." Not .."I don't have to."



Therefore, you have the pile up of these sweet beautiful things born by nature raised by no one. Give them presents. You're raising pimps. That's what a pimp is. A pimp will act nasty to you so you have to go out and get them something. And then you bring it back and maybe he or she hugs you. And that's why pimp is so famous. They've got a drink called the "Pimp-something." You all wonder what that's about, don't you? Well, you're probably going to let Jesus figure it out for you (laughter). Well, I've got something to tell you about Jesus. When you go to the church, look at the stained glass things of Jesus. Look at them. Is Jesus smiling? Not in one picture. So, tell your friends. Let's try to do something. Let's try to make Jesus smile. Let's start parenting. Thank you, thank you (clapping, cheers)
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Okay, maybe now someone will explain that "50% Drop Out" rate stuff he was ranting about.


And it is what it is: All manner of SELF-LOATHING.

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We cannot blame white people. White people (clapping) .. white people don't live over there. They close up the shop early. The Korean ones still don't know us as well...they stay open 24 hours (laughter).


Roll Eyes
"You and I build churches and let the white man build schools. You and I build churches and let the white man build up everything for himself. Then after you build the church you have to go and beg the white man for a job, and beg the white man for some education. Am I right or wrong? Do you see what I mean? It's too bad but it's true. And it's history. So it shows that these childlike people -- people who would be children, following after the white man --"

- Malcolm X
Black Man's History
"The economic philosophy of Black Nationalism only means that we should own and operate and control the economy of our community. You would never -- You can't open up a black store in a white community. White men won't even patronize you. And he's not wrong. He's got sense enough to look out for himself. You the one who don't have sense enough to look out for yourself. The white man -- The white man is too intelligent to let someone else come and gain control of the economy of his community. But you will let anybody come in and take control of the economy of your community, control the housing, control the education, control the jobs, control the businesses, under the pretext that you want to integrate. No, you're ought of your mind."

- Malcol X
The Ballot or the Bullet
"Why is -- Why does this loom to be such an explosive political year? Because this is the year of politics. This is the year when all of the white politicians are going to come into the Negro community. You never see them until election time. You can't find them until election time. They're going to come in with false promises, and as they make these false promises they're gonna feed our frustrations and this will only serve to make matters worse."
- Malcolm X
The Ballot or the Bullet
".... It is a duty, it is your and my duty, as men, as human beings, it's our duty to our people, to organize ourselves. Let the government know if they don't stop that Klan, we'll stop it ourselves. Then you'll see the government start doing something about it. But don't ever think they are going to do it on some morality basis, no. So I don't believe in violence, that's why I want to stop it."
- Malcolm X
Racist in Reverse
Bill Cosby Gets Down With Hip-Hop
By Clover Hope
Date: 11/6/2004 2:41 pm



Actor/Comedian Bill Cosby and various Hip-Hop artists have joined with Ras Baraka, Deputy Mayor of Newark, New Jersey, to launch Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E., a national community service program aimed at underprivileged urban youth.
The mission of Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E. (Providing Education Opportunity, Prosperity and Life Eternally) is to enlighten inner city youth on the reality of gangs by tapping into the power of Hip-Hop.

"The concept of [the] project is to use Hip-Hop as a vehicle to educate on anti-violence in all forms," Cosby told AllHipHop.com in a statement.

According to Baraka, Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E is meant to build on the peace treaty that The City of Newark negotiated between the Bloods and Crips in May 2001.

The program's objective is to prevent violence caused by recent surges in gang activity in the East Coast.

"The City of Newark appreciates Dr. Cosby's support in our on-going efforts to combat gang violence and to take back our communities," said Baraka. "Through Hip-Hop, there is no denying that we will get our message across to the youth."

Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E utilizes the forums of music and film to reach out to and educate youth.

In addition to a documentary depicting the poverty and oppression that exists in the Hip-Hop generation, the program plans to release a compilation CD in early 2005.

New Jersey-bred Hip-Hop artists Queen Latifah, Wyclef Jean, Rah Digga, Redman and Treach of Naughty by Nature are set to contribute to the documentary and CD.

Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E recently released a mixtape featuring local New Jersey artists"”Skully, Money Green, Jace, Alcatraz, Love and Kandi Kane among others.

Black 45 and Biz Markie DJ/Producer Cool V serve as production coordinators for the project.
Cosby spoke no 'bitter gospel' at meeting here
By Sylvester Brown Jr.
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
07/27/2006

Sylvester Brown Jr.
[More columns]
[Sylvester's Biography]

Bill Cosby has every right to criticize black people, and Michael E. Dyson has every right to criticize Cosby. That's always been my position on the public spat between the actor, comedian and philanthropist and the professor and author. Until now.

In a recent Washington Post commentary that ran in the Post-Dispatch Wednesday, Dyson wrote that Cosby spreads his "bitter gospel . . . in rigged town-hall meetings ... where he assembles folk and experts who agree" that poverty is the fault of the poor.

As an organizer of a Cosby "Call Out" meeting in our town last year, I take exception to Dyson's depiction. But, first, a little background.

No one was more surprised than I when Cosby called asking that I organize the forum. It had been nearly a year since I'd written about Cosby's controversial comments where he accused (among other spicy admonitions) "lower-economic" blacks of shoddy parenting, claiming that their kids wore backward clothes and spoke foul and poor English.
Unlike Dyson's assertion, some of the folks Cosby asked to organize his forums weren't in line with his views. I certainly wasn't. Although I defended his right to criticize blacks, I wrote that he used too broad a brush in his stereotyping.

Dyson's right about one thing, however. Cosby did ask for a specific audience: "This is not for the upper-income folk, the politicians or the bureaucrats," he told me. "I want people who live in the lower-, lower-economic neighborhoods, who are tired of seeing their kids shot down . . . tired of hearing their children curse . . . people who are just sick and tired."

Cosby didn't ask for an audience who blamed the poor for being poor, as Dyson alleges. He asked me to put the word out in the community, and that's what I and a few volunteers did.

Nearly 1,000 people showed up for the program June 20, 2005, at Harris-Stowe University, which aired live on a local hip-hop station. Before Cosby came to the podium, I spoke briefly. The "Cos" had no idea what I would say.

"I am one of those lower-economic people," I said, turning to our esteemed guest, adding that some of his comments had offended me.

Cosby didn't fidget or fuss when I said "poverty is no joke" and that I understood that deprivation can lead to acts of desperation. There was no disagreement from the man as I detailed how poverty, crime, disrespect and low self-esteem were colorless afflictions. Cosby clapped and nodded vigorously as I spoke of ghetto heroes who had accomplished great things despite great odds.

We had invited some of those "heroes" to share the stage with us. Poor mothers, wayward students, former gang members and community workers delivered gut-wrenching testimony detailing destructive habits and changed lives dedicated toward helping children popularly defined as "at-risk."

Some of Dyson's criticisms are valid. "Race and structural forces" do indeed play damaging roles in the lives of the poor. In fact, it is Dyson's analysis that best counter those who cower behind Cosby's words to articulate their preconceived biases. Yet, Dyson diminishes his argument when he characterizes Cosby as an elitist, disconnected villain. An elitist would throw stones from afar. Cosby takes his message to the streets.

I wish Dyson had witnessed the phenomenon I experienced in St. Louis. When Cosby urged blacks to "step up," it wasn't an indictment of the entire race. There were "Amens" and "Yes, Lords" when he chided church-going Christians who drive by community problems. There was raucous applause when Cosby complimented "black Muslims" for confronting criminals and teaching their children to respect authority. When he shouted, "The revolution starts in the neighborhoods," there was no disagreement.

St. Louis' "Call Out" was a far cry from the "blame-the-poor tour," Dyson describes. There was no hatred, no "bitter gospel." Up close and personal, without the divisive distraction of sensationalized sound bites, Cosby came off like a neighborhood preacher, barber or the wise old elder who lives up the street. He wasn't elitist. He was just one of us.
Something To Die For
-Tupac Shakur
Strictly for my N.I.G.G.A.Z

I've changed...
You mothafuckas kill me
I've changed...

It ain't that i've changed
But it's strange how you mothafuckas rearrange
When I found fame
Point ya finger at tha bad guy

You know what my momma usta tell me
If ya can't find something ta live 4

Then you BEST, find something ta die 4

(eazy saying 'if there's hell below, we're all gonna
go'--this is all through out tha interlude)

Deep deep

La'tasha Hardings
Remember that name...
Cause a bottle of juice...
Ain't something 2 die 4

Young Quaid
Remember that name...
Cause all you mothafuckas
That go to your grave with that name on your brain
Cause jelousy and recklousness
Is NOT, something 2 die 4

All you Niggas out there
[echoed laughter]
Got a crack that crumbles
When I say all you Niggas (all you niggas)
Unite
One nigga, teach 2 niggas
4 niggas teach more niggas
All tha poor niggas
Tha penn niggas
Tha rich niggas
Tha strong niggas
UNITE

There's more of us than there is of them
Look around...
Check your strip

Deep deep

That's something 2 die 4

Black

That's something 2 live 4

What do I know?
2PAC LYRICS

"Young Niggaz"
Me Against the World

I wanna dedicate this one to Robert 'Yummy' Sanderford
and all other lil' young niggaz that's in a rush to be gangstas

As a young nigga, I'm almost ?swellin? in the wind
Give anythang, to be that innocent again, when I was ten
I didn't bang but I was hangin with the homies
tell them niggaz started slangin that they don't know me
I got my hustle on, learned to ignore what couldn't pay me
Lately I've been tryin to make a bill-ion, can you play me
with that jealousy they need to miss me, don't sweat me
If them cowards really want me, come get me, and even I
someday will die but I'm cautious, I'm fin' to ride
Put down the top, now we flossin
Hit the freeway, let the wind blow, drop the window
Workin with a twenty sack of indo, feelin good
Stop through the hood, grab the young thugs
And I can't help but reminisce back when we slung drugs, know it's bad
but all we had was our hopes and dreams
Couldn't see unless we learned to slang dope to fiends
as young niggaz

He's the kind of G like everybody knows
As a young nigga
He's always G'd up, from head to toe
My memories as a young nigga
Always got it blown like Al Capone
Young nigga
He's the downest G I've ever known

Back in Junior High, when we was barely gettin by, when daddy died
That's when my momma started gettin high
My neighborhood was full of drivebys, couldn't survive
All our homies livin short lives, I couldn't cry
Told my momma if I did die, just put a blunt in my casket
let me get my dead homies high
Come follow me throughout my history, it's just
_Me Against the World_ stuck in misery; as a young nigga
My only thing was to be paid
Life full of riches avoid snitched cause they shady, back in the days
We always found the time to play,
but that's before they taught them gangbangers how to spray
Not just L.A., but in the Bay and in Chicago and even St. Louis
Every stadium that I go, when will they change?
Stuck in the game like a dumb nigga
Remember how it was, to be a young nigga

He's the kind of G like everybody knows
As a young nigga
He's always G'd up, from head to toe
My memories as a young nigga
Always got it blown like Al Capone
Young nigga
He's the downest G I've ever known

I'm tellin you..
.. to be young, have your brains and have every ? and all that
Yo, y'all niggaz don't know how good you really do got it
Muh'fuckers need to just calm down
and peep what the fuck they wanna do for the rest of the life
'Fore you end your life before you BEGIN your life
You dumb nigga

Now that I'm grown, I got my mind on bein somethin
Don't wanna be another statistic, out here doin nuttin
Tryin to maintain in this dirty game, keep it real
and I will even if it kills me, my young niggaz
break away from these dumb niggaz
Put down the guns and have some fun nigga, the rest'll come nigga
Fame is a fast thang, that gangbangin
puttin niggaz in a casket, murdered for hangin
at the wrong place at the wrong time, no longer livin
Cause he threw up the wrong sign, and every day
I watch the murder rate increases, and even worse
the epidemic and diseases, what is the future?
The projects lookin hopeless, where
more and more borhters givin up and don't care
Sometimes I hate when brothers act up, I hit the weed
and I proceed to blow the track up, for young niggaz

He's the kind of G like everybody knows
For these young niggaz
He's always G'd up, from head to toe
My memories as a young nigga
He always got it blown like Al Capone
Take it slow nigga, it's for the young niggaz
He's the downest G I've ever known
As a young nigga

He's the kind of G like everybody knows
He's always G'd up, from head to toe
Memories as a young nigga
He always got it blown like Al Capone
He's the downest G I've ever known
['Pac talking overlaps singing last four lines]
This go out to the young thugs, the have-nots (you know)
Little bad motherfuckers from the block (that's right)
Them niggaz that's thirteen and fourteen
Drivin Cadillacs, Benzes and shit (I see you boy)
Young motherfuckin hustlers (make that money boy)
Stay strong nigga
You could be a fuckin accountant, not a dope dealer
youknowhatI'msayin? (Go to school nigga, go to school)
Fuck around and, you pimpin out here
You could be a lawyer (really doe)
Niggaz gotta get they priorities straight
(Don't see Johnny Cochran out in this motherfucker)
Really doe.. young niggaz.. little RahRah
(sup nigga) Especially my little cousins don't be no dumb guy
(Don't be a dumb nigga, listen, young niggaz)
For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.

So as I've said over and over again, Cosby wasn't the first to make these accuzations. I don't know how many people you need me to post on here that have said things similar to Cosby to 'validate' the man, but its not a hard job. All you've got to do is listen to some old school hip hop, or underground stuff and they talk about these same issues.

So even if you want to call Cosby a sell-out, do you say the same thing about these other people? Do you say the same thing about Malcolm X, whose comments agree heavily with Cosby?

Ephesians says, "We argue not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".

So Nmaginate, you can keep finding reasons to criticize Cosby and ignore the obvious, but there are certain principalities that are being preached in our ghettos and thats where we need to begin to focus energy.

Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?
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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.


And??

YOu being "pissed off" means what?
And what's up with the UNCLE TOM reference?

Who has said that here? How come you can't speak directly to what people have said?


quote:
Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?


False Dichotomy.
quote:
Okay, maybe now someone will explain that "50% Drop Out" rate stuff he was ranting about.


And it is what it is: All manner of SELF-LOATHING.


Ok, I'll edit my last statement:
But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man (like his comments are just a manner of SELF LOATHING), that shit pisses me off, because you're just ignoring the issues.

I don't know what the dropout rate is, and yes I doubt (and I pray) that its 50%. Here's how I heard it explained:


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/22/arts/22COSB.html?ex=1...007&partner=USERLAND

"Mr. Cosby said yesterday that what was left out of those comments, first reported by The Associated Press and The Washington Post, was that he began his remarks by talking about what he said was a 50 percent high school dropout rate among poor blacks. The National Center for Education Statistics, a federal agency, says that in 2000 the dropout rate for blacks was 13.1 percent. Mr. Cosby's publicist, David Brokaw, said it was Mr. Cosby's understanding that the rate was 50 percent in some inner-city schools."
Cosby's actions speak as loudly as his words
Look for comedian to bring his blunt message to Milwaukee, too
Posted: Sept. 18, 2004


Eugene Kane


Newark, N.J. - None other than Bill Cosby himself invited me to Newark to witness his crusade to save black America up close and personal.

I'm here to report it was pretty impressive. Milwaukee could use something like this.

The event in Newark featured black educators, government officials, community activists and black youth coming together to come up with a strategy to address nagging social problems in the African-American community.

We all know the issues: too many out-of-wedlock teen pregnancies, too many absentee fathers, too much violence, too little personal responsibility and a general lack of dedication to education in too many black families.

"This will be a transforming experience," Cosby told me in a telephone conversation.

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Since making headlines earlier this year with provocative comments about the dysfunction that resides in much of the African-American community, Cosby has initiated a raging debate in some circles.

Some blacks felt he was too strident in his remarks about black dysfunction. (OK, I was among them.)

Others lauded his courage to speak about the dirty laundry many African-Americans hate to see exposed in public due to fears it can become even more ammunition for racist beliefs about blacks in general.

As he told me months ago, Cosby has little concern about those who use his words to justify their disdain for blacks. It simply doesn't matter to him; his mission is much bigger than that.

I flew to Newark last week to attend the community rally where Cosby spoke. The event was sponsored by the deputy mayor of Newark, Ras Baraka; the Newark public school system; and a youth group made up of former gang members.

That night, more than 600 people packed into a sweltering Newark Vocational High School to hear local experts discuss how to use education to break the chains of poverty in the African-American community.

Before the meeting, I talked with David Muhammad, an assistant to Baraka, who explained how Cosby had come to appear in Newark.

"He called us," Muhammad said. "He said he had been hearing about the problems in our city and he wanted to help."

Newark, just a stone's throw from New York City, is a metropolis buffeted by many of the same demons as Milwaukee: gang warfare and other violence, failing public schools, teen pregnancy, irresponsible black parents, you name it.

The event was Cosby's third visit in little more than a month. Muhammad said he and other city officials were shocked by how seriously Cosby had taken his promise to return to their city to inspire the black community to solve its problems.

During one visit, he met with a group of gang members who had recently declared a truce from fighting. Cosby told them he would provide encouragement as long as they were doing the right thing.

For many of them, Muhammad said, it was the first time in their lives anyone had showed them such compassion.

"These were some tough young brothers," Muhammad said. "But Mr. Cosby talked to them, and the room was so quiet you could hear a pin drop."

At the meeting last week, the high school auditorium was filled with the very people Cosby has criticized in his public speeches.

I sat in the audience as a roster of speakers took the podium, including Baraka, the superintendent of Newark Public Schools, a local minister from the Nation of Islam, and a trio of high-achieving young black men who had all become doctors after graduating from local public schools.

Eventually, Cosby took the stage, dressed casually in an athletic warm-up suit. His message was characteristically blunt.

"It's time to turn the mirror around," he told the cheering crowd, talking about the negative images of black people that have been too long accepted.

"It's very depressing when I read that 55 percent of African-American males are dropping out of school in the ninth grade, and that 90 percent of the people incarcerated are black males, and 70 percent of them are illiterate. . . ."

He questioned the motivation of young dropouts, and their parents.

"Tell me, when you decided to drop out of school at 14 years old, what was your big dream?

"And who is it that you were living with who did not take issue with your decision to drop out of school at 14?"

Although Cosby made it a point to acknowledge societal factors that hindered some blacks - "Yes, systemic racism does exist" - he stressed the need for more personal responsibility.

He talked about drug dealers who sold poison to their community, and women who allowed multiple men into their lives and their children's lives.

He talked about children raised by these types of parents and the domestic abuse that often ensued. He described children who ended up feeling powerless to change anything:

"Then they grow up hating their mother and writing rap lyrics about bitches and ho's!"

The room exploded in affirmation.

As usual, he decried the tendency of too many to blame whites for their own dysfunctions.

"The white man is not going 'down low' on the black woman," he said, to cries of shock and recognition about the recently reported problem of bisexual black men living secret lives in the black community.

"The white man is not bringing HIV to the black community, giving black women a death bullet that can't be taken back!"

Clearly, this was Bill Cosby, raw and uncensored.

He was saying the things that make many blacks cringe but that few can truthfully deny. He was accepting no excuses for wrong behavior, and pointing the finger squarely where it belonged.

But with every harsh word, he also demonstrated his compassion and love for the audience. This is the part of Cosby's message that often goes unreported.

"You are strong people," he told the very crowd he had been chastising. "You are loved.

"I want you to keep coming out to these meetings, keep bringing your children. If you're a parent, be a parent. You don't have to win the world championship for best parent, but you have to try."

Cosby talked about the need for more action, not just words.

"We're going to keep having these meetings; it's serious," Cosby said. "There are people waiting to see if it works."

Before he went on stage, I was summoned to a back room where, for the first time after several phone conversations, I met Bill Cosby - a childhood hero of mine who grew up, as I did, in North Philadelphia - face-to-face.

He told me that he wanted to come to Milwaukee; he knew the city from articles about the Charlie Young Jr. beating and a recent New York Times Magazine piece detailing welfare reform and poverty here.

I was excited; I promised to alert the city of his plans to come here and do the same sort of community event as had happened in Newark.

He grabbed my arm in an urgent manner.

"No, don't say, 'He's planning to come,' " he said, sternly. "Tell them I am coming." Consider it done:

Bill Cosby is coming to Milwaukee. Looks like all we have to do is get ready for him.
I'm still waiting to hear something that hasn't been said (for generations) previously in the black community. Self-help did not start with Bill Cosby, his trememdous financial contributions notwithstanding.

I appreciate Cosby's past efforts. Perhaps his people should create a metric so we can chart successes and dulicate successful delivery models in other "lower socio-economic" communities. Now, I might really be impressed with something like that.

Bottom line is this.... people, churches, organizations are working every day in communities across America to make a difference and help people who have finally decided to help themselves.

I really wish more attention were paid to these efforts.
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Originally posted by Blake Manner:
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?


False Dichotomy.


Why?


NEXT!!!!

When you get a pulse, holla back.
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Originally posted by Blake Manner:
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Okay, maybe now someone will explain that "50% Drop Out" rate stuff he was ranting about.


And it is what it is: All manner of SELF-LOATHING.


Ok, I'll edit my last statement:
But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man (like his comments are just a manner of SELF LOATHING), that shit pisses me off, because you're just ignoring the issues.

I don't know what the dropout rate is, and yes I doubt (and I pray) that its 50%. Here's how I heard it explained:


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/22/arts/22COSB.html?ex=1...007&partner=USERLAND

"Mr. Cosby said yesterday that what was left out of those comments, first reported by The Associated Press and The Washington Post, was that he began his remarks by talking about what he said was a 50 percent high school dropout rate among poor blacks. The National Center for Education Statistics, a federal agency, says that in 2000 the dropout rate for blacks was 13.1 percent. Mr. Cosby's publicist, David Brokaw, said it was Mr. Cosby's understanding that the rate was 50 percent in some inner-city schools."


Dude, you are late again. I done already posted stuff to that effect. When I said Cosby was ILLITERATE and when you failed to address that very issue (Cosby's belligerent INACCURACY) then I highlighted and quoted some of that very same stuff.

You should never even fix your mouth to complain about me or anyone "ignoring" your posts when you have this recurring issue with ignoring and completely disregarding factual information posted only to come back with uncanny irony and emphasize the very thing you ignored when other people posted it.

And I asked you a direct question:
Who has called Bill Cosby an UNCLE TOM here?

If your position is about anything at all you should have to exaggerate and make up stuff or bring up stuff that is NOT relevant here.

And I most certain don't care that you're "pissed" off. What do you think that is suppose to mean to me? Be pissed off. That won't help your struggling position here.
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Dude, you are late again. I done already posted stuff to that effect.

I asked you a direct question:
Who has called Bill Cosby an UNCLE TOM here?

If your position is about anything at all you should have to exaggerate and make up stuff or bring up stuff that is NOT relevant here.

And I most certain don't care that you're "pissed" off. What do you think that is suppose to mean to me? Be pissed off. That won't help your struggling position here.


If you didn't call him an Uncle Tom, then don't respond to that. But you did say that 'his comments are a manner of SELF LOATHING', so respond to that.

I shouldn't need to detail you to every conversation I've had with everyone about these Cosby comments to 'back up' my statements. If you don't believe he's an Uncle Tom, then we agree on SOMETHING. But respond to your comments about SELF LOATHING.
Nope. Who here has called him an Uncle Tom?

It's a simple, direct question which will explain WHY YOU SAID THAT HERE!


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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.


You were addressing people here. WHO WERE YOU TALKING TO? Who here has called Cosby an Uncle Tom?

It shouldn't be that hard. You had the nerve to say. YOu even went on to put my name in your post. Now... WHO SAID THAT?

And WHY would you act as if someone has said that (as if that's been what a number of people have said about Cosby) when you don't or can't say who said it or things like it.

Uncle Tom. Sell Out. House Negro. That's about it. WHO HAS SAID THINGS LIKE THAT?


Again, if your position was about something....
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
And I most certain don't care that you're "pissed" off. What do you think that is suppose to mean to me? Be pissed off. That won't help your struggling position here.


Why should you care? you shouldn't care. But you should be just as pissed off as I am because the more you focus this thing on Cosby, the more the issues get ignored. All I have been trying to talk about since I joined this board is the issues and you keep trying to pull me into these little arguments on Cosby himself.

Lets talk about the issues. Cosby made the statements because he was pissed! I'm making these statements because I'm pissed. Maybe you're not pissed, maybe thats why you're just tip toeing around the subject rather than talk about the issues head on.

So I will ask you again, Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?

Listen to the local rap radio station wherever you live. I'm willing to bet right now that they're talking about some big beef in hip hop, or promoting some concert or having some joke session where they laugh at the problems in Black America.

The amount that these stations promote sex is something that should piss you off. It surely pisses me off. But maybe you don't care about kids having kids. Maybe you don't care about the rise of the HIV rate amongst African Americans.

Marijuana is promoted on these radio stations like it's liqour during prohibirion. Now you've got 7th graders runnin around gettin killed over a nickel bag. That shit pisses me off. Maybe you don't care, but it pisses me off.

And what exponentiates the problem is that when somebody comes forward with a statement like "we need more positive rap on the radio" or "we need more positive Blacks on TV", we're hit with the response: "This IS Black America", or "This is what Black America wants", or "This is what's selling right now"

And all this is doing is glorifying more and more the same lifestyle that these radio announcers try to denounce when in between songs as they read one of the names of the people shot last night and try to sound all sympathetic.

Whats pissing me off is you don't want to discuss the issues. So, like I said in the other thread, if you don't want to talk about what the thread is about then don't post here. I started this thread because I was pissed off. If you don't care, then why are you taking the time to respond? Leave this thread to those who care!
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Nope. Who here has called him an Uncle Tom?

It's a simple, direct question which will explain WHY YOU SAID THAT HERE!


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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.


You were addressing people here. WHO WERE YOU TALKING TO? Who here has called Cosby an Uncle Tom?

It shouldn't be that hard. You had the nerve to say. YOu even went on to put my name in your post. Now... WHO SAID THAT?

And WHY would you act as if someone has said that (as if that's been what a number of people have said about Cosby) when you don't or can't say who said it or things like it.

Uncle Tom. Sell Out. House Negro. That's about it. WHO HAS SAID THINGS LIKE THAT?


Again, if your position was about something....


Man. just read the above post. I replied to this.
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Originally posted by Blake Manner:

Man. just read the above post. I replied to this.


And your reply wasn't worth the time took to put those words together.

Again, you posted that stuff here as if it was relevant or typical of what people have said here. But you do have a growing pattern of just saying stuff no matter how unrelated it is to reality or, as noted, how much that ignores what people have posted.

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you should be just as pissed off as I am because the more you focus this thing on Cosby, the more the issues get ignored.


Man this thing you have with saying the most ridiculous BS is amazing. You've been trying to defend Cosby instead of talking about whatever issues you feel are being "ignored." And don't you ever try to tell me what I should be.

Hmmm.... Funny how all that works...

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All I have been trying to talk about since I joined this board is the issues and you keep trying to pull me into these little arguments on Cosby himself.


Roll Eyes

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Lets talk about the issues. Cosby made the statements because he was pissed! I'm making these statements because I'm pissed.


Ummm.... Why are you talking about Cosby or you? Talk about the issues if that's the pretense (i.e. excuse) you're going to use now.

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So I will ask you again, Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?


And I'll tell you again and for however many times as you keep asking asinine questions like this... The Gangsta vs. Cosby thing is a FALSE DICHOTOMY. A FALSE and ridiculously silly choice.



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Listen to the local rap radio station wherever you live. ...they're talking about some big beef in hip hop, or promoting some concert or having some joke session where they laugh at the problems in Black America.


Maybe if you had an actual point...

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The amount that these stations promote sex is something that should piss you off.


Maybe if you had an actual point...

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But maybe you don't care about kids having kids. Maybe you don't care about the rise of the HIV rate amongst African Americans.


Maybe if you don't have an actual point...

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Marijuana is promoted on these radio stations like it's liqour during prohibirion. ...Maybe you don't care, but it pisses me off.


Maybe one of these days you'll find the time to get around to making an actual point.

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And what exponentiates the problem is that when somebody comes forward...


Wait a minute. There is no "when somebody comes forward" as if there has been some lack of people standing in that gap:Min. Farrakhan and others have said some of the same things "technically" but you don't hear Middle/Upper Class Black America enthusiastically yelling "Amen!" and promoting Farrakhan.

TRY AGAIN.


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we're hit with the response: "This IS Black America", or "This is what Black America wants", or "This is what's selling right now"


Dude, you really can GET YOUR RANT ON with somebody else. I AM NOT THE ONE!

You got some emotions and sentiments you want to vent about... I AM NOT THE ONE! You got some frustrations, you're feeling "pissed" (and don't know what to do with those emotions)... I AM NOT THE ONE! Oh and did I tell you... I AM NOT THE ONE?

Just checking...

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And all this is doing is glorifying more and more the same lifestyle...


In other words, you really don't have a point.


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Whats pissing me off is you don't want to discuss the issues.


Be honest. You've had plenty of time to talk about "the issues." You chose to try to defend and make up sh*t in defense of Cosby instead of talking about the issues.

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I started this thread because I was pissed off.


Roll Eyes

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If you don't care, then why are you taking the time to respond? Leave this thread to those who care!


Roll Eyes
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http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/nov/article327.html

"There is a book titled "The Directory of Certified Uncle Toms." Some of the prominent names mentioned in the book are Bill Cosby, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Star Jones, Clarence Thomas, Tiger Woods, Oprah Winfrey and a few surprises such as the Wayans Brothers, Ice Cube and Shaquille O'Neal. This caused me to ponder what constitutes being an Uncle Tom and more important, what message are we sending our children by applying this message to prominent blacks? "

I never declared that someone HERE called him an Uncle Tom. But people are calling him an Uncle Tom, whether you believe it or not.
How hard is it to come to a DISCUSSION FORUM and have a DISCUSSION about something? Are my topics too controversial to discuss? Why does everything have to be about Cosby, and nothing about the issues? I repeat, thats why I started this thread. Its entitled 'What Cosby Actually Said' for a reason. We've been discussing all these people analyzing his comments, why not just look at the comments themselves and form opinions based on what we see? Are we too immature for that?

Nmaginate, you had me fooled for a second because you actually brought up an issue with your first statement, but instead of discussing it, you keep going back to "I didn't call him an Uncle Tom". Dude, get over it. You know the negative things you've said about Cosby and when you say he's doing nothing more than SELF LOATHING, you fall into the same category of individuals I was originally criticizing - the group that wants to sit around and call Cosby names and not talk about the issues.
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you keep going back to "I didn't call him an Uncle Tom". Dude, get over it. You know the negative things you've said about Cosby...


And, if you knew that and since you can't point to people here who have called Cosby an "UNCLE TOM" then why did you say it, as if someone here called him that?

Clearly, all you're doing over and over is showing the weakness of your position when you have to FABRICATE things and hope that emotions make the point you can't manufacture otherwise.

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you fall into the same category of individuals I was originally criticizing - the group that wants to sit around and call Cosby names and not talk about the issues


And when Cosby is TOO ILLITERATE to be ACCURATE and he refers to INACCURATE info. as a way to CASTIGATE (if not denigrate) Black folks then that is the very definition of SELF-LOATHING. All this "I'm pissed" stuff from you is SELF-LOATHING. That's not name calling. That's identifying your and his issues. It ain't that damn hard to speak honestly about what is at issue.

Further, since I was clear and unequivocal in saying Cosby was ILLITERATE and SELF-LOATHING then that's what you could have said you were pissed about if I fit in this imaginary group of yours. No but you thought you'd get more mileage out of that Uncle Tom bullschitz. ... or whatever silly reason you said that HERE.
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Originally posted by Blake Manner:

I never declared that someone HERE called him an Uncle Tom. But people are calling him an Uncle Tom, whether you believe it or not.



Roll Eyes

Typical. ... and typically weak.

And this issue was not about my "beliefs".

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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.


The highlighted clause was not one where you were engaging, speaking to somebody who wrote a book. You were directing your statement to and referring to people here in this forum.


TRY AGAIN.
Nmaginate,

Forget about Cosby. I'm not here to defend the man. You and I have already had that discussion on him.

But do you have any opinions on anything other than how much you hate him?

Focus the thread on Malcolm X who said similar things:

"The economic philosophy of Black Nationalism only means that we should own and operate and control the economy of our community. You would never -- You can't open up a black store in a white community. White men won't even patronize you. And he's not wrong. He's got sense enough to look out for himself. You the one who don't have sense enough to look out for yourself. The white man -- The white man is too intelligent to let someone else come and gain control of the economy of his community. But you will let anybody come in and take control of the economy of your community, control the housing, control the education, control the jobs, control the businesses, under the pretext that you want to integrate. No, you're ought of your mind."

- Malcol X
The Ballot or the Bullet



Are you at all interested in discussing these issues, or is your whole purpose on this board to gramatically correct people on this board?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:

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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.


The highlighted clause was not one where you were engaging, speaking to somebody who wrote a book. You were directing your statement to and referring to people here in this forum.


TRY AGAIN.


So I grouped the Cosby haters and 'Uncle Tom name callers' into one group. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINT. DO you want me to admit that NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!
NOBODY ON THE BOARD HAS EVER CALLED COSBY AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!

Shit man, get over it.
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So I grouped the Cosby haters and 'Uncle Tom name callers' into one group. WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR POINT.


Trying to figure out what was your point and why, like Cosby, you have to manufacture things to make a "point."

For both you and Cosby, you want an awful lot of allowances. A lot of things you want people to overlook and "get over".

You have the floor and plenty of AIR & OPPORTUNITY to talk about the issues. You keep wasting posts responding to me with all this emotionalism... all this energy you could apply to examining the "issues."

Indeed, you can do both at the same time. Me... I'm trying to figure out what TALKING ABOUT IT is going to DO ABOUT IT.
So... What is Cosby and his supporters like you going to do when it comes to...

[1] The local rap radio station promoting beefs in hip hop, concerts, sex, drugs, etc., etc., etc.

Shame 'em into not promoting beefs, sex, concerts, etc.?

[2] Those same rap stations you say have these "joke sessions" laughing at the problems in Black America.

WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO? Tell them he's "pissed?"

WOW!! Roll Eyes

[3] The AIDS epidemic.

What? Say keep your thing in your pants? What? WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO? And what is he going to say that's not being said?

[4] 7th graders getting killed running drugs?

What is he going to do? Say: DON'T DO THAT...?

[5] Folks glorifying the "thug life" (or what-have-you)?

What is he going to do? What is being "pissed" going to do? ( (*ahem*) He already made the suggestion about what to do as it relates to drugs and drug dealers in the community. Holla if you hear me.) )


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So I will ask you again, Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you"...


TRUTH or CONSEQUENCES:
What radio station said that?

.......... or .........

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"you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet",

THAT?

This is NOTHING BUT SELF-LOATHING nonsense!!!

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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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TA-NEHISI COATES: Well, I think it's quite clear that, you know, in the African-American community there are plenty of problems and we can look at the statistics and see that. But in terms of Bill Cosby and the remarks he made on both occasions, I think this is really a case of perception first as reality.

So when Bill Cosby called out young African-American women and says that we're having a four, five, six, I'm sorry, they're having four, five, six seven babies at a time, I have to look at that and consider that the teen pregnancy rate over the past decade among young black women has declined by 40 percent. When he says that young black kids are not valuing education, I think that disparages the very real fact that the gap in SAT scores between whites and blacks has been cut by half. When he critiques black criminality and sort of gives us this picture of young black boys running wild in the street, I think that stands in contrast with the fact that since 1994, the crime rates across the border plunged, and particularly among young black men.


Not to say we don't have any real problems. There have been studies in New York that have basically concluded that among African-American men, the employment rate is around 50 percent or so. There have been plenty of studies that have looked at the fact that they have too many households in which there's only one-parent homes. So I don't think, you know, it's so much that we are without fathers, I think it's the nature and the way in which the dialogue is taking place.

The solutions to those problems don't lie in attacking the way people dress, they don't lie in attacking the way people talk, they certainly don't lie in attacking what people name their kids, as Bill Cosby did. My name is Ta-Nehisi, my son's name is Samari, my partner's name is Kinyata; my best friend's son's name is Kamati... all these people are God fearing honest people who want the same thing that any other American would want. And when Bill Cosby points us out because of the way we talk, the way we name our kids as opposed to sticking with the reality, have you to wonder how much of this is actually about reality and how much of it is actually about appearance.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/entertainment/july-dec04/cosby_7-15.html


Point there is, while Cosby is talking and speaking WITHOUT REFERENCE... There are folks out there making a difference and, by Cosby's rhetoric (and yours... well, mostly yours), one would think there wasn't any decreases in Teen Pregnancy, etc.
What do you mean without reference?

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I'm saying Brown Vs. Board of Education. We've got to hit the streets, ladies and gentlemen. I'm winding up, now , no more applause. I'm saying, look at the Black Muslims. There are Black Muslims standing on the street corners and they say so forth and so on, and we'rere laughing at them because they have bean pies and all that, but you don't read "Black Muslim gunned down while chastising drug dealer." You don't read that. They don't shoot down Black Muslims. You understand me. Muslims tell you to get out of the neighborhood. When you want to clear your neighborhood out, first thing you do is go get the Black Muslims, bean pies and all (laughter). And your neighborhood is then clear. The police can't do it .


He made a clear call for action in the neighborhoods.

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Actor/Comedian Bill Cosby and various Hip-Hop artists have joined with Ras Baraka, Deputy Mayor of Newark, New Jersey, to launch Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E., a national community service program aimed at underprivileged urban youth.
The mission of Hip-Hop for the P.E.O.P.L.E. (Providing Education Opportunity, Prosperity and Life Eternally) is to enlighten inner city youth on the reality of gangs by tapping into the power of Hip-Hop.


He's trying to do things to change the effect of hip hop on the youth, particularly the endorsing of sex and violence that usually goes along with Hip Hop.
But I started this thread, not to defend nor insult Cosby, but to talk about the issues which he brought up. Because even if you don't like his solutions, maybe we can come up with some things here today to help strategize. This is not just Cosby's problem, so we should all be thinking of things to help. You asked whats the use of talking without actions, well we need to talk in order to make plans for the actions. But our talk has to be in terms of plans and strategies. Thats the whole purpose of this thread. I wanted to exchange ideas on the issues rather than just sit and play the blame game.

Maybe the church should take a larger role in the communities and particularly in the role of helping teach parents to be parents. I know my church has all kinds of meetings for Alcoholics Anonymous, and various other self help groups that meet during the week. Maybe something like that would be helpful and should be started

I don't know all the answers, but I'm definately interested in reading people's ideas on how to stop these problems.
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Thats the whole purpose of this thread. I wanted to exchange ideas on the issues rather than just sit and play the blame game.


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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.

So as I've said over and over again, Cosby wasn't the first to make these accuzations. I don't know how many people you need me to post on here that have said things similar to Cosby to 'validate' the man, but its not a hard job. All you've got to do is listen to some old school hip hop, or underground stuff and they talk about these same issues.

So even if you want to call Cosby a sell-out, do you say the same thing about these other people? Do you say the same thing about Malcolm X, whose comments agree heavily with Cosby?

Ephesians says, "We argue not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".

So Nmaginate, you can keep finding reasons to criticize Cosby and ignore the obvious, but there are certain principalities that are being preached in our ghettos and thats where we need to begin to focus energy.

Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?
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Thats the whole purpose of this thread. I wanted to exchange ideas on the issues rather than just sit and play the blame game.


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For those of you who disagree with Cosby's statements, I understand that and have no problem with you disagreeing. But when you start calling Cosby names like Uncle Tom and against Black America and whatever other insulting adjectives you've used to describe the man, that shit pisses me off.

So as I've said over and over again, Cosby wasn't the first to make these accuzations. I don't know how many people you need me to post on here that have said things similar to Cosby to 'validate' the man, but its not a hard job. All you've got to do is listen to some old school hip hop, or underground stuff and they talk about these same issues.

So even if you want to call Cosby a sell-out, do you say the same thing about these other people? Do you say the same thing about Malcolm X, whose comments agree heavily with Cosby?

Ephesians says, "We argue not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".

So Nmaginate, you can keep finding reasons to criticize Cosby and ignore the obvious, but there are certain principalities that are being preached in our ghettos and thats where we need to begin to focus energy.

Whats worse, the radio station saying "High school aint for you", "you aint nothin but a gangsta or a hoe", "you aint shit if you aint got a kid yet", or the guy who says that its stupid to believe these things?


Whats confusing about these statements. I even put in the Bible verse to indicate that this is not with Flesh and Blood. Its not about Cosby, its about these issues in Black America. Cosby isn't the first to mention their existence, you may not have liked Cosby's delivery on them and I dont care about that. But Cosby making the statements shouldn't make him whatever you called him (I have no idea what you mean by 'SELF LOATHING'. I guess you're gonna have to talk to me like I'm a 3rd grader cause these terms you're using aren't making any sense). But even if it does, it still doesn't address the issue that the problems exist.

All I want in this thread is to talk about the issues. Hopefully we can exchange some ideas that inspire some positive thought. But right now, I'm trying to exercise a procedure called 'brainstorming'. We just throw out ideas in hope to find some really good ones that we can begin to use to help clean up our community.

You say that talk isn't helpful, but as a mathematician, I can say that its very helpful to me with solving math problems. Just today, I sat with a friend and brainstormed about a problem neither of us could get. Then after a few attempts, I was able to come up with a strategy but I couldn't quite finish it. Then my friend understood what I was trying to do and was able to solve the rest of the problem.

Thats all I'm trying to do here. Can we just brainstorm on these issues?

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