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.......Speaking of Emmit Till, questions need answering!

....and speaking of complacency, it has been revealed by relatives, and family members older than I that Emmit Till was actually murdered by Caucasians around 1945 or 1946, as opposed to 1955.

If this is true, meaning Emmit Till was actually murdered in 1945 or 1946, then some of the Black people of this era, evidently went along with the program to allow Caucasians to change the facts, to escape restitution or punishment.

Black men had just returned from WWII, by sacrificing their lives, health, years out of their life, and personal family ties, to free the Jews, and other oppressed people. It would not be too far fetched to believe that foul play took place here, considering the "Jews" being awarded reparations for the atrocities of concentration camps.

If this happened like these individuals claim, in that Emmit Till was murdered in 1945, or 1946, it would behoove the perpetrators to distort the facts, falsify evidence, etc., etc., rather than give cause to Black serviceman returning from WWII any reason to rally in the protest in defense of an innocent black boy murdered by Caucasian bigots. Can't give reparations to Jews for the WWII atrocities, and ignore an Emmit Till atrocity. There would have been a serious confrontation between returning Black serviceman, and the authorities, many of these individuals placing their own life on the line to end atrocities of all forms. This being said, if Emmit Till was in fact murdered in 1946, it would make sense for Caucasians to falsify documents, etc., etc., to prevent a rebellion, a possible "blood bath" between returning War time Black veterans, and Caucasians.

It would not have looked good for the United States of America, had the reality of it been published or circulated, in that Emmit Till was actually killed in 1945 or 1946, and not 1955, as this link, and/or other sources claim.

Considering the many Black men maimed, killed, or other sacrifices upon returning to the U.S. from the battle fields of Italy, France, Germany, Japan, North Africa, etc., etc., for praise for the Black soldier's contribution to freeing the world of the atrocities of shame atributed to Adolf Hitler, his henchmen, other dictators, and their henchmen, it would not have looked good for the freest, and fairest nation in the world, meaning the U.S., to expose the 1946 murder of Emmit Till.

Here again, if this information is in fact true, in that Emmit Till was murdered at the end of WWII, or one year later, then the Black middleclass, the so-called Black elite, must have gone along with the program rather than stand tall in the name of being ethical, having backbone, etc.

....and I wouldn't put it past Caucasians to get Black people to go along with a lie, if the lie can change the facts to enable the perpetrators to escape punishment. Here again, if Black people supported the recording of mis-statements of fact, or false information, concerning the actual year of Emmit Till's murder by Caucasians, here again this would be a weakness that exists with the so-called Black middleclass, our own leadership, and not Caucasians.

.....Heck, if Caucasians can get Black people to support a lie, or go along with mis-statement of fact, it helps Caucasians to escape being brought to justice for the Emmit Till murder,
or for that matter other realities such as Los Angeles Superior Court Case #895188

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by ricardomath:
Lofton,

I don't suppose that you would have a link attesting to their being at least one other person on the planet who believes this, would you?

He would have been 4 or 5 years old when he was murdered, according to your theory.

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1941, July 25: Emmett Louis "Bobo" Till is born in Chicago's Cook County Hospital to Louis and Mamie Till.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/till/timeline/index.html


You wouldn't know anyway, ricardomath. It was brought to my attention by reputable sources that Emmit Till was murdered by Caucasians at age fourteen, in either 1945 or 1946. These individuals stated they were protesting his death, with a number of other individuals right after WWII.

This would not be illogical considering the madness that went on during the "Jim Crowe" years, to exhonerate any Caucasian for any crime perpetrated against Black people, no matter how severe the criminal act.

Heck, frame-ups, falsifying documents, planting evidence, etc., still occur in the year 2005, as it relates to police officers, agents and officials of government using illegal activity to cover up a criminal act that resulted in the egregious violation of property rights, death, or maiming of an innocent Black man or woman.

"All that glitters is not Gold" and "Everything that is published, is not fact".

Heck, it is not news that J. Edger Hoover, the FBI, etc., etc., was heavily involved illegal spying activities, counter-intelligence activities against Black activists to the point of sabotaging documents, frame-ups, planting false evidence, misleading the public, etc.

The Jim Crowe years were turbulent times. Again, it would not be too far fetched to believe that records, etc., etc., etc., were falsified, gravestones altered, etc.,etc., to conceal the truth, as it relates to the Emmit Till murder, and the perpetrators. It was even easier to get away with it then, because fewer Black people had the fortitude to speak out when in this situation, especially as this applies to the South, and as bad as it was in the South for Black people, some of the same activity occurred in the East, the West Coast, and the Midwest, as it pertains to cover-ups, falsifying information, etc., etc., to "railroad" black people, the perpetrators being Caucasian.

I have connections on both Coasts. Other than your foreign born wife, you have absolutely no connection to any U.S. born Black person.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
He says that this information was revealed by relatives and family members older than he ...!!! ek ek

You know that genetics thing can be a powerful beast sometimes!! scream

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That response is to be expected coming from you. In the search for truth, an individual has to cast aside garbage from time to time, your response being garbage.
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You wouldn't know anyway, ricardomath. It was brought to my attention by reputable sources that Emmit Till was murdered by Caucasians at age fourteen, in either 1945 or 1946. These individuals stated they were protesting his death, with a number of other individuals right after WWII.

This would not be illogical considering the madness that went on during the "Jim Crowe" years, to exhonerate any Caucasian for any crime perpetrated against Black people, no matter how severe the criminal act.

Heck, frame-ups, falsifying documents, planting evidence, etc., still occur in the year 2005, as it relates to police officers, agents and officials of government using illegal activity to cover up a criminal act that resulted in the egregious violation of property rights, death, or maiming of an innocent Black man or woman.

"All that glitters is not Gold" and "Everything that is published, is not fact".

Heck, it is not news that J. Edger Hoover, the FBI, etc., etc., was heavily involved illegal spying activities, counter-intelligence activities against Black activists to the point of sabotaging documents, frame-ups, planting false evidence, misleading the public, etc.

The Jim Crowe years were turbulent times. Again, it would not be too far fetched to believe that records, etc., etc., etc., were falsified, gravestones altered, etc.,etc., to conceal the truth, as it relates to the Emmit Till murder, and the perpetrators. It was even easier to get away with it then, because fewer Black people had the fortitude to speak out when in this situation, especially as this applies to the South, and as bad as it was in the South for Black people, some of the same activity occurred in the East, the West Coast, and the Midwest, as it pertains to cover-ups, falsifying information, etc., etc., to "railroad" black people, the perpetrators being Caucasian.




Lofton, this is even more bizarre than your "illegal immigrants Merv Dymally and Shirley Chisolm" story.

Let's just suppose, for thesake of the arguement, that the government were able to cover up the murder in 1945 or 1946, and that that coverup was successful for a decade.

Why open a whole new can of worms in 1955 by making up a story of a murder in that year? Why not simply leave well enough alone? Why jepardise a decade long successful coverup?

I swear, Lofton. I didn't think it possible, but you are actually getting even loonier as time goes on.

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Other than your foreign born wife, you have absolutely no connection to any U.S. born Black person.


Ummmm...you might want to proofread this sentence, Lofton. lol
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Let's just suppose, for thesake of the arguement, that the government were able to cover up the murder in 1945 or 1946, and that that coverup was successful for a decade.


...more likely you have to proof read your work.
...again ricardomath you have no connection to any U.S. born Black person.

....and considering the seriousness of the atrocities perpetrated by Caucasians against, an Emitt Till, or otherwise, it would not be too far fetched to believe that the old "bait and switch" game took place to protect the perpetrators, and/or diffuse a possible very violent set of circumstances involving returning Black war veterans, and any publicity associated with the murder of Emmit Till after WWII.

The U.S. government has been known to conceal realities for many years, and not disclose such information, until it can bring forth less controversy. Coretta Scott King has asked the U.S. government to refrain from disclosing the infidelity of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., and now almost four decades later the information is published for all who wish to know about it.

It certainly won't be the first time or the last time that the U.S. government publishes or gives access to such information, information which once published can end up anywhere, as applied to stormfront, protest warriors, the Los Angeles Times, overseas, etc.


....as far as Merv Dymally the message remains the same. It is not important to me what Buckwheat thinks of me!
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
I know this is stupid of me to ask, but ...

Lofton, do you have supportive evidence? Other than the usual "They said"?

Please ... Please ... For once ... back up your statement with facts that can be verified, or at least checked.


If I knew the answer to this one I wouldn't be asking the question!!!!

.....and any response from any Caucasian in a ricardomath will not suffice, because to expect the truth to come out of a Caucasian in a ricardomath would be a conflict of interest, meaning more so than not, rather than the truth, the Black community would be misled once again!

Since this Emmit Till situation was before my time, and in conferring with people closer to this situation than I, I'm convinced that these individuals may very well be telling the truth. The way it was presented, in that it was stated that they vehemently protested with other Black people in the Baltimore, MD, area in 1945 or 1946, a civil protest in response to the Emmit Till murder, leads me to believe that the 1955 reference is misleading! It is very doubtful that anyone would forget such an experience, as it pertains to the murder of Emmit Till. Slim chance exists that any individual involved in the protest of the murder of Emmit Till would forget the year of reference of such a serious set of circumstances.


Compton, California Corruption, The sleaze of Compton elected officials, etc.!

...as for no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, Kevin Murray, Jesse Jackson, Henry Lyons, Pat Moore, Martin Ludlow, etc., etc., etc., the response remains the same. Enough information exists to show that these individuals are both unfit for public office and unworthy of praise!
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It was brought to my attention by reputable sources that Emmit Till was murdered by Caucasians at age fourteen, in either 1945 or 1946. These individuals stated they were protesting his death, with a number of other individuals right after WWII.---Michael

In what city?

Ooops!! My oversight. Baltimore.

Someone has failing memory, or

I think somebody lied to you.

I didn't hear of such an event, either in the death of Till, or the street protests.

When?

Where?

Since I clearly didn't read all of your post, I went back to read it again.

I don't doubt your belief in what someone told you, but...

I saw the article and pictures of Till's funeral in Jet Magazine in 1954.

There was no Jet Magazine in 1946.

Information got twisted somewhere.

Maybe like my not reading all of your post.

Things happen.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by Michael:

.....and any response from any Caucasian in a ricardomath will not suffice, because to expect the truth to come out of a Caucasian in a ricardomath would be a conflict of interest, meaning more so than not, rather than the truth, the Black community would be misled once again!


I'm not sure why you would imagine that I have either any first hand knowledge of the date (So far as I know, I was born in 1957, unless you have a family member who claims that I was actually born a decade earlier), or why I would have a conflict of interest in revealing the truth if I did have such first hand knoweledge.

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Since this Emmit Till situation was before my time, and in conferring with people closer to this situation than I, I'm convinced that these individuals may very well be telling the truth. The way it was presented, in that it was stated that they vehemently protested with other Black people in the Baltimore, MD, area in 1945 or 1946, a civil protest in response to the Emmit Till murder, leads me to believe that the 1955 reference is misleading! It is very doubtful that anyone would forget such an experience, as it pertains to the murder of Emmit Till. Slim chance exists that any individual involved in the protest of the murder of Emmit Till would forget the year of reference of such a serious set of circumstances.


It's much easier to believe that the memory of one of Lofton's family members is faulty, than to believe that everybody elses memory, and the documentary record, is faulty.
"It's much easier to believe that the memory of one of Lofton's family members is faulty, than to believe that everybody elses memory, and the documentary record, is faulty." by Buckwheat

....and for me, it is much easier to call you the name you deserve which is "Buckwheat"!

...again the words of wisdom from a ricardomath, A.K.A, "Buckwheat", don't count, because there would indeed be a conflict of interest for any Caucasian to present the truth in commenting on this issue.

Caucasians have falsified documents, lied, etc.,..... even against their own. Heck, Caucasians have used false pretenses to acquire land from the native American Indians, so it would not be too far fetched to believe that Caucasians have concocted the story that Emmit Till was murdered in 1955. Furthermore the Black middleclass have a history of selling out, of being deceitful, meaning it would not be too far fetched to believe that the Jet magazine, the NAACP, etc., went along with the program to decieve the Black community. Heck, some of these individuals, meaning the "Sell Outs" receive gratuities from the Caucasian community to keep the Black community fooled!

......But I'm not fooled, and the individuals who shared this reality with me, have not been fooled.


"I saw the article and pictures of Till's funeral in Jet Magazine in 1954." by James Chester

....and I don't place much faith or credence in the jet magazine, the Los Angeles Sentinel, etc., because these publications don't have a history of publishing the truth about Black people. These publications are considered tabloids, "Yellow journals", etc., etc. Furthermore, I'm not the only one around who refers to these publications as being tabloid, substandard journalism, etc.

If I knew the answer to this one I wouldn't be asking the question!!!!

.....and any response from any Caucasian in a ricardomath will not suffice, because to expect the truth to come out of a Caucasian in a ricardomath would be a conflict of interest, meaning more so than not, rather than the truth, the Black community would be misled once again!

Since this Emmit Till situation was before my time, and in conferring with people closer to this situation than I, I'm convinced that these individuals may very well be telling the truth.

The individuals who expressed this reality are very credible individuals, meaning retired Black credentialed school teachers, from every level of teaching, and/or other credible individuals. Every Black person from this era was not a sellout, and did not make it their business to move through life being deceitful, sleazy, etc., etc. The only known truth as expressed by this link is that Emmit Till was murdered at age fourteen. As for the rest, the information is misleading because Emmit Till was murdered prior to 1950, more likely 1946, 1947, or 1948.

The way it was presented, in that it was stated that they vehemently protested with other Black people in the Baltimore, MD, area in 1945 or 1946, a civil protest in response to the Emmit Till murder, leads me to believe that the 1955 reference is misleading! It is very doubtful that anyone would forget such an experience, as it pertains to the murder of Emmit Till. Slim chance exists that any individual involved in the protest of the murder of Emmit Till would forget the year of reference of such a serious set of circumstances.


Compton, California Corruption, The sleaze of Compton elected officials, etc.!

...as for no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, Kevin Murray, Jesse Jackson, Henry Lyons, Pat Moore, Martin Ludlow, etc., etc., etc., the response remains the same. Enough information exists to show that these individuals are both unfit for public office and unworthy of praise!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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First, to Kweli4Real: Sorry for the "Do as I say, not as I do" bit... nono

But Lofton. The true year of Emmitt Till's murder is an incredibly easy thing to learn for sure. He had friends, relatives, a mother who was only in her early 20s herself at the end of WW2, burial records (they are exhuming his body now, after all)... There is absolutely no way that this type of thing could have been covered up.

Maybe the records were washed away in that lake the US stole from Russia.
This is one conspiracy theory that has absolutely no wheels.
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Originally posted by Michael:
.......Speaking of Emmit Till, questions need answering!

....and speaking of complacency, it has been revealed by relatives, and family members older than I that Emmit Till was actually murdered by Caucasians around 1945 or 1946, as opposed to 1955.

If this is true, meaning Emmit Till was actually murdered in 1945 or 1946, then some of the Black people of this era, evidently went along with the program to allow Caucasians to change the facts, to escape restitution or punishment.

Black men had just returned from WWII, by sacrificing their lives, health, years out of their life, and personal family ties, to free the Jews, and other oppressed people. It would not be too far fetched to believe that foul play took place here, considering the "Jews" being awarded reparations for the atrocities of concentration camps.

If this happened like these individuals claim, in that Emmit Till was murdered in 1945, or 1946, it would behoove the perpetrators to distort the facts, falsify evidence, etc., etc., rather than give cause to Black serviceman returning from WWII any reason to rally in the protest in defense of an innocent black boy murdered by Caucasian bigots. Can't give reparations to Jews for the WWII atrocities, and ignore an Emmit Till atrocity. There would have been a serious confrontation between returning Black serviceman, and the authorities, many of these individuals placing their own life on the line to end atrocities of all forms. This being said, if Emmit Till was in fact murdered in 1946, it would make sense for Caucasians to falsify documents, etc., etc., to prevent a rebellion, a possible "blood bath" between returning War time Black veterans, and Caucasians.

It would not have looked good for the United States of America, had the reality of it been published or circulated, in that Emmit Till was actually killed in 1945 or 1946, and not 1955, as this link, and/or other sources claim.

Considering the many Black men maimed, killed, or other sacrifices upon returning to the U.S. from the battle fields of Italy, France, Germany, Japan, North Africa, etc., etc., for praise for the Black soldier's contribution to freeing the world of the atrocities of shame atributed to Adolf Hitler, his henchmen, other dictators, and their henchmen, it would not have looked good for the freest, and fairest nation in the world, meaning the U.S., to expose the 1946 murder of Emmit Till.

Here again, if this information is in fact true, in that Emmit Till was murdered at the end of WWII, or one year later, then the Black middleclass, the so-called Black elite, must have gone along with the program rather than stand tall in the name of being ethical, having backbone, etc.

....and I wouldn't put it past Caucasians to get Black people to go along with a lie, if the lie can change the facts to enable the perpetrators to escape punishment. Here again, if Black people supported the recording of mis-statements of fact, or false information, concerning the actual year of Emmit Till's murder by Caucasians, here again this would be a weakness that exists with the so-called Black middleclass, our own leadership, and not Caucasians.

.....Heck, if Caucasians can get Black people to support a lie, or go along with mis-statement of fact, it helps Caucasians to escape being brought to justice for the Emmit Till murder,
or for that matter other realities such as Los Angeles Superior Court Case #895188

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


family members and relatives, thats your only source, well my family members who actually lived in Mississippi quite well remember the murder. But then they are members of my family and not on the medications that obiviously you and your family are hooked on.

Now it makes sense why the authorities have it in for your family, you all are a bunch of loons. The fact that Uncle Sam would go so far out of his way to hide a murder when the whole time frame of the country at that time was full of the murders of innocent black men, why his murder to hide?
"family members and relatives, thats your only source, well my family members who actually lived in Mississippi quite well remember the murder. But then they are members of my family and not on the medications that obiviously you and your family are hooked on." by Jazzdog

"Now it makes sense why the authorities have it in for your family, you all are a bunch of loons. The fact that Uncle Sam would go so far out of his way to hide a murder when the whole time frame of the country at that time was full of the murders of innocent black men, why his murder to hide?" by Jazzdog

My family members and associates are very credible. As for the many Black poverty pimps and that Black middle class who defend them.....

....their credibility is in the toilet!

....nope, my immediate family is batting 1000. more than likely they have it in for the race card players, the poverty pimps, and the Black middle class who defend them! The only loony tunes are the Jesse Jacksons, the Al Sharptons, the ambulance chasing Johnny Cochrans, the no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymallys, the caught with his pants down in broad daylight having lewd sex in a government vehicle no good California State Assemblyman Kevin Murrays, the Reverend Felony Henry Lyons, etc., and that Black middle-class who defend or praise these individuals.

You won't find any criminal case against any of my family members that sticks, or any insanity decree to where any member of my family sits in any asylum.


If the authorities truly had it in for my family members none of us would be walking free, or be around to express many of the issues that I've expressed as it relates to that no good Black middleclass, treasonous Black elected leadership, and the worth much much less than a dime a dozen no good poverty pimping jack leg Black preachers.

...and neither jazzdog, Kevin41, Ricardomath, Nmaginate, Kweli4Real, Herustar, EbonyRose, etc., etc., can shut me up, send me to prison, or any asylum, nor can any of you send any of my family members to any prison or any asylum.

A few Black people tried, but the truth, Los Angeles Superior Court Case #C895188, the belief in ourselves, and Caucasian America, shut that treasonous Black middle class up!

...Sure feels good to be a free individual, free to express thoughts, in the greatest and fairest nation ever devised, meaning the U.S.

.....Had I done the same in Haiti, Mozambique, Zambia, Nigeria, Ghana, Iraq, the Sudan, any predominately Black community, etc., where Black people are large and in charge ....chances are very strong that the freedom of expression would have resulted in a death sentence, confinement to a mental institution, or forcefully sedated with mind bending medication!


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Sheriff's New Tactic on Shooting: Contrition
Baca's reaction to the Compton barrage deflected anger and surprised activists.

By Sandy Banks and Richard Winton Times Staff Writers, Times Staff Writers

May 22, 2005

When the grainy videotape of deputies peppering a Compton neighborhood with 120 bullets began making the rounds of national news, local community activists wasted no time calling in their big guns.

The Rev. Al Sharpton's phone began ringing in New York on Tuesday afternoon, the day after the May 9 shooting that wounded a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy and the driver of a cornered SUV and shattered windows and walls of homes.

By Wednesday, the renowned law enforcement critic was in Los Angeles, calling the barrage "the shootout at the OK Corral." Activist circles buzzed with rumors that the Rev. Jesse Jackson would be coming to town.

Los Angeles County seemed poised once again to stand in the eyes of the nation as the epicenter of police brutality.

But county Sheriff Lee Baca had been making his rounds too. By noon Monday, less than 12 hours after the shooting, he had offered this blunt critique: "I know there were too many shots fired. I don't need an investigation to tell me that."

By 3 a.m. Tuesday, Baca was dressed and ready for appearances on "Good Morning America," the "Today" show and news programs on Fox News, CNN and MSNBC. For the next 90 minutes, he was live on national TV promising a thorough review of the shooting, which followed an early morning, low-speed chase through residential streets.

The next afternoon, Baca began walking door to door in Compton, tallying bullet holes and offering apologies. Sharpton met up with him there.

That night, the sheriff took the stage at a town hall meeting offering residents compensation for homes damaged in the shooting spree.

Taking a cue from their leader, the deputies involved offered a striking public apology Friday.

By Saturday morning, while activists were busy urging residents to turn out for a Monday rally, Baca had managed to deflect community anger and keep agitators at bay. He did it by borrowing a page from activists' own handbook "” denouncing the shootings, ordering an inquiry and meeting with residents to, as he says, "absorb their pain."

The shooting involved 10 deputies trying to stop the unarmed driver of an SUV. The investigation may not be complete for weeks, but one thing has become clear: Baca's response represents a new approach to handling the fallout from controversial shootings. And it has left community activists scrambling to compete.

They had expected stonewalling, denials, delay. Instead they got a contrite sheriff and a multiracial corps of apologetic deputies, who stood somberly before news cameras while their attorney conveyed "their unqualified and sincere apology to those who ... were affected by the shooting."

Although they stopped short of saying that their tactics toward a man they had believed to be armed and dangerous were wrong, the symbolism proved compelling.

Then Jackson, who had arrived in Los Angeles that weekend, called the shooting a hate crime and an act of terrorism.

Local activists were forced back on their heels, caught between the fiery rhetoric of Jackson and Sharpton and the evolving reality on the streets: Only a handful of people showed up at what was supposed to be a protest Monday morning.

Najee Ali of Project Islamic HOPE contemplated what to say to the lone news camera.

"How would it look for us to be up there now slamming these deputies," he said as he stood on a sidewalk outside Compton City Hall, considering whether he should instead criticize Jackson.

When the camera rolled, Ali was on cue. "An apology is not enough," he said. "We're outraged and will continue to be."

Privately, he had already conceded that in the court of public opinion, Baca had probably scored a victory.

Jackson's "hate crime" characterization seemed out of sync with reality. Of the 10 deputies who fired weapons, three were black, four Latino and three white.

By that afternoon, Ali had split ranks with Jackson. The civil rights leader's comments were, he said, "inflammatory, counterproductive and false."

"He'll say this stuff, then go on back to Chicago, and we're left here to try to work with these officers," Ali complained later.

Indeed, within days, Jackson and Sharpton were gone, headed for Mexico to meet with President Vicente Fox over remarks he had made about blacks that were considered disparaging.

And the Compton shooting, which had been videotaped by a freelance cameraman and replayed for days on the national news, began fading from public consciousness.

The incident started after deputies, responding to a call that shots had been fired in the area, approached a vehicle that resembled the one involved in the incident. The SUV they approached was driven by Winston Eugene Hayes, 44. After a slow pursuit, deputies began firing when they cornered the SUV and it backed toward them.

In the televised scene, the residential Compton street resembled a war zone. Sharpton called the display of police firepower the most reckless he had ever seen.

"Police were shooting up the neighborhood like it was the wild, wild West," he said.

Law enforcement officials say the deputies might have panicked and responded to the initial gunfire volley with so-called contagious fire, resulting in a flurry of wild shots.

Community leaders are far from being of one mind about the sheriff's sensitivity effort. Is this payoff from years of activism, or just law enforcement finally learning the value of timely spin?

"There's a reason why Baca has shown leadership," Ali said. "He's shown leadership because of our efforts organizing against police brutality. We feel those years of work have led us to a major victory: the [deputies'] unprecedented apology. That's never happened in the history of law enforcement here."

Even tough-talking Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton, who once called Ali a "nitwit," shows signs of softening his rhetoric. He has apologized for characterizing gang members as thugs and terrorists, and he declared his officers' flashlight beating of a car thief suspect last year "a mess" that warranted discipline.

Skeptics suspect that the touchy-feely approach will be window dressing if policies don't change.

"Bratton and Baca as soft-sell PR persons are almost like firemen having to douse the flames and show their departments' good face to the community," said commentator Earl Ofari Hutchinson. "But when these things keep happening, after a while people see through that approach. You cannot just placate and pacify people."

Residents of the block where the shooting occurred say they are not mollified by mea culpas.

"It didn't make me feel better," said Terry Moore, who witnessed the shootings, along with her sister, daughter and niece. "They need to be retrained, to learn how to shoot.

"I'm not against them," she said. "I know I live in a neighborhood where I may have to pick up this phone and call them at any given time. I just don't like the way they came in here and shot up the neighborhood. I would never want that to happen again."

Even Baca's natural adversaries credit him for using his long history of community involvement and political sophistication to forge alliances in volatile cases.

"Some people would say he is saving face, doing this to cover what happened. But I think it's more a sensitivity, an understanding that he has to listen to the community," said the Rev. Kerry Allison, whose phone call helped bring Sharpton to Los Angeles. "He has good people around him who give him good advice. That keeps him a step ahead of most people."

When Sharpton solicited a meeting with Baca, the sheriff invited the civil rights leader to join him on a walk through Compton.

"I happen to be a big admirer of the Rev. Sharpton "” with all his flaws. He is a voice for justice," Baca said later. The two surveyed the shooting scene like allies "” the bellowing, fiery Harlem minister alongside the soft-spoken, slender career cop.

The sheriff "came up and said he was sorry for everything, that there was no cause for a lot of this," said resident Moore. Even before Baca's visit, her block was swarming with deputies "asking us how we feel, what did we feel, are we all right," she said. "I know they were just trying to come over here and make everybody feel good."

And a few days later, two of the deputies involved in the shooting showed up unannounced to talk with residents.

Both Baca and Bratton understand the importance of public relations and community outreach, says Joseph D. McNamara, a fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and former San Jose police chief.

Former LAPD Chief Daryl Gates and the former, since deceased, L.A. County Sheriff Sherman Block "would stonewall whenever there was a crisis," McNamara said. "Bratton and Baca know the secret to surviving these crises is to have already established a relationship with the community.... People don't want double-talk. You need to get in front of the cameras and tell what happened."

For Baca, that meant facing a verbal pounding from frustrated residents in a Compton town hall. He absorbed it, telling the assembly, "we're not here to twist it, we're not here to sugarcoat anything, we're here to tell it exactly like it is "” the good, the bad and the ugly."

When he finished, longtime resident Mollie Bell, 58, thanked Baca for "stepping up to the plate."

Times staff writer Andrew Blankstein contributed to this report.

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....Los Angeles does not have any use or need for ambulance chasing Reverend Sleazy Jessie Jackson, or Reverend Al Sharpton!

...and the movement to send the poverty pimps, in Sleazy ambulance chasing self ordained Reverend Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the Black middleclass or otherwise who defend misfits packing, is picking up momentum!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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What the hell does the black middle class and jack leg preachers have to do with a innocent black teenager getting lynched in the most violent and ugly way by your favorite group of people, the poor downtrodden white man.

And no one is trying to shut you up or send you to prison, we are however trying to get you to provide some proof of the outrageous claims that you have made concerning Emmitt Till, everyone of your posts contains the same wild outrageous story about your family and how it has been victimized.

As a honest to God member of the black middle class, you really need to neither provide proof of all of us conspiring against you or give it a rest, we don't have to send you to the asylum, you are doing that to yourself.
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Originally posted by jazzdog:
What the hell does the black middle class and jack leg preachers have to do with a innocent black teenager getting lynched in the most violent and ugly way by your favorite group of people, the poor downtrodden white man.

And no one is trying to shut you up or send you to prison, we are however trying to get you to provide some proof of the outrageous claims that you have made concerning Emmitt Till, everyone of your posts contains the same wild outrageous story about your family and how it has been victimized.

As a honest to God member of the black middle class, you really need to neither provide proof of all of us conspiring against you or give it a rest, we don't have to send you to the asylum, you are doing that to yourself.


....Considering the circumstances, I don't find this material to be outrageous. Besides you made the statement, "Now it makes sense why the authorities have it in for your family, you all are a bunch of loons." to which I had no choice but to respond in the way I see it. With respect to the subject matter, I posed a question to which I did not have the answer, the question being, "Was Emmit Till Actually Murdered At the End of WWII?"

If this material is so inflammatory to the point that it goes against your grain, just like any other topic, you have the option to refrain from being a party to the conversation.

It is not important to me as to how angry you become. I'm going to express issues in the light that I see them, no ands, ifs, or buts.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
"But Lofton. The true year of Emmitt Till's murder is an incredibly easy thing to learn for sure. He had friends, relatives, a mother who was only in her early 20s herself at the end of WW2, burial records (they are exhuming his body now, after all)... There is absolutely no way that this type of thing could have been covered up." by Vox

....not having access to his friends, relatives, etc., it would be difficult for me to gain this information.

"Use Limitation Principle: Personal data should not be disclosed, made available or otherwise used for purposes other than those specified in accordance with the Purpose Specification Principle except: a) with the consent of the data subject; or b) by the authority of law."

...besides, if exercised the right to privacy on the part of the Till family may block access to the information you have referenced.
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Originally posted by jazzdog:
What the hell does the black middle class and jack leg preachers have to do with a innocent black teenager getting lynched in the most violent and ugly way by your favorite group of people, the poor downtrodden white man.

And no one is trying to shut you up or send you to prison, we are however trying to get you to provide some proof of the outrageous claims that you have made concerning Emmitt Till, everyone of your posts contains the same wild outrageous story about your family and how it has been victimized.

As a honest to God member of the black middle class, you really need to neither provide proof of all of us conspiring against you or give it a rest, we don't have to send you to the asylum, you are doing that to yourself.


....Considering the circumstances, I don't find this material to be outrageous. Besides you made the statement, "Now it makes sense why the authorities have it in for your family, you all are a bunch of loons." to which I had no choice but to respond in the way I see it. With respect to the subject matter, I posed a question to which I did not have the answer, the question being, "Was Emmit Till Actually Murdered At the End of WWII?"

If this material is so inflammatory to the point that it goes against your grain, just like any other topic, you have the option to refrain from being a party to the conversation.

It is not important to me as to how angry you become. I'm going to express issues in the light that I see them, no ands, ifs, or buts.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


I'm going to be a party to the conservation if for no other reason to inject some logic and common sense something that you seem completely unable to do. Your whole reference for this outlandish claim are relatives and family members, well excuse us for not realizing that the esteem Lofton Family is the end all for information concerning lynchings in this country.

As for the question itself, the fact that there is hard proven evidence that goes aganist this whole silly notion seems to have escaped you. I for one am like all the others on this board want you to produce one single person (not a family member) or one piece of evidence not stamped "property of the Lofton Family Liberary" that supports your claim and the issue will be put to rest.

And please can you not at least post a link that has at least something remotely to do with the conversation. That link about the right to privacy talks to consumers and their right to privacy, not even close to this topic, but it was a nice attempt to shift the emphasis from the fact that you have absolutely no proof to back up your claims.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
See how easy it is to get caught up in the insanity? lol


As hard as I tried to avoid making comments on this fools statements, I just can't do it. Gee I'm sorry if he thinks that his family has been shit on, but the Emmitt Till story and the references "relatives and family members", give me a freaking break. And the motive, considering that black service members were assualted during WWII, what would Uncle Sam gain by trieding to hide this crime.

I just want some proof that is geniune and not tied to subject matter experts cosisting of nothing but Lofton family members.
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Originally posted by Michael:
Be it a Jazzdog, Kevin41, Kweli4Real or otherwise, ....you can't destroy my immediate family's and/or my own credibility.

Furthermore with respect to the typical Black middleclass, and/or psuedo elected Black leadership, their ethics, morals, responsibility to the duty to be competent is in the toilet!

...if I never hit another key stroke this message would remain true!




Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


See there you go again making a very simple and understandable mistake, to destroy your credibility, you would have to have some first and it is quite clear I would imagine to everybody on this board who have read your post that you don't have any. Providing some measure of proof to back up your wild claims would certainly help establish some.

....if you never hit another key stroke I think we would all feel fortunate.
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See there you go again making a very simple and understandable mistake, to destroy your credibility, you would have to have some first and it is quite clear I would imagine to everybody on this board who have read your post that you don't have any. Providing some measure of proof to back up your wild claims would certainly help establish some.

....if you never hit another key stroke I think we would all feel fortunate.



...same response. as for the sleazy, the greedy, etc., etc., that truly exist, and that Black middleclass who give praise to or honor misfit,

.....Oh Well.....
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Originally posted by jazzdog:
So how is the weather down in LA LA land?


Jazzdog

It is sunny and mild....but we still have a few fools here in LA who think they are an object of importance in the lives of others....to the extent that they think other people are going to take away time and resources from their everyday lives and devote their good time to to do something to THEM...as if other people see THEM in such a great light that they are actually WORTH the effort....the weather is good here, but some of the inhabitants are "off their rockers".......
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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Originally posted by jazzdog:
So how is the weather down in LA LA land?


Jazzdog

It is sunny and mild....but we still have a few fools here in LA who think they are an object of importance in the lives of others....to the extent that they think other people are going to take away time and resources from their everyday lives and devote their good time to to do something to THEM...as if other people see THEM in such a great light that they are actually WORTH the effort....the weather is good here, but some of the inhabitants are "off their rockers".......


......and it sures pays to be a professional in every aspect of your life!

I believe you need the treatment of some of your own advice Kevin41!
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