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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
As Nurse Chapel or Luxanna Troi ... although I don't believe she appeared on Voyager ..

Wasn't she also the voice of the Enterprise computer?


Here's her bio, where it is stated that "she became the only actor to work on all six Star Trek television series".

Had no idea that she was also Number One for the ST Pilot (with Capt. Pike), but the network forced him to drop her b/c she was a woman.
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Originally posted by Wiz:
there is no reason why James T Kirk should be hitting Uhuru (Yes they did have the first interracial kiss on television, but that would have been years after this point and during that kiss there was no indication that their had been any prior activity between them, I mean, at the time they were under some space crap or something).


I agree. I remember that kiss. It was forced upon the two of them (the characters). Nichelle was dating Gene Roddenberry at the time, though, and Roddenberry wanted to prove to the world that interracial romance was okay.




I guess that was before he married Nurse Chapel?


No. Nichols was definitely seeing him while he was married to "Nurse Chapel", though I don't know if she was seeing him while "Nurse Chapel" was actually on the show.

That actress (the wife) had intermittent appearances on the series.

I believe, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry appeared in every version of the Star Trek saga with the exception of the last Enterprise.



As Nurse Chapel or Luxanna Troi ... although I don't believe she appeared on Voyager ..

Wasn't she also the voice of the Enterprise computer?


Hmmm....remembering those "voices", it doesn't seem possible. But anything is possible I suppose.

But, I love the fact that Star Trek was a pioneer on dealing with "race" relations. Now, I just wonder how much of that "unity" we can use as we move forward in trying to explore the newly discovered planets that resemble earth.

To be part of the team that reaches and "explores" that???

PriceLess.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Going To Find Out What It Will Take!"
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
As Nurse Chapel or Luxanna Troi ... although I don't believe she appeared on Voyager ..

Wasn't she also the voice of the Enterprise computer?


Here's her bio, where it is stated that "she became the only actor to work on all six Star Trek television series".

Had no idea that she was also Number One for the ST Pilot (with Capt. Pike), but the network forced him to drop her b/c she was a woman.


Woo Hoo! I learned a new Star Trek fact today...she WAS the computer....LOL...

...and I forgot all about that site! It's been FOREVER since I was on that...

She was very good as Luxanna...loved this character's antics. Reminded me of my own mother.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Remembering Her Character!"
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Nichols was definitely seeing him while he was married to "Nurse Chapel", though I don't know if she was seeing him while "Nurse Chapel" was actually on the show.


I was wrong. It seems that the affair was over and done with before the series began (while he was married to his first wife, not "Nurse Chapel"). Sorry, HB... you were right after all.

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Here's a neat comment:

"She considered quitting Star Trek midway through its first season, when her character had been given little to do beyond perpetually opening hailing frequencies. In one interview, she famously described Uhura as "a glorified telephone operator in space". Then, at a civil rights protest, she met Martin Luther King Jr. -- who told her that he was a big fan of Star Trek. According to Nichols, when she told King she was thinking of quitting the show, he was shocked. "Don't you know you have the first non-stereotypical role in television?" she recalls King saying. "For the first time the world will see us as we should be seen -- people of quality in the future. You created a role with dignity and beauty and grace and intelligence. You're not just a role model for our children, but for people who don't look like us to see us for the first time as equals."

I think Rev. King was right. tfro
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
As Nurse Chapel or Luxanna Troi ... although I don't believe she appeared on Voyager ..

Wasn't she also the voice of the Enterprise computer?


Here's her bio, where it is stated that "she became the only actor to work on all six Star Trek television series".

Had no idea that she was also Number One for the ST Pilot (with Capt. Pike), but the network forced him to drop her b/c she was a woman.



OK ... she made it on all 6 shows as the computer voice ... 19
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Originally posted by Huey:
How can folks get ticked off at "Monster's Ball," when at the same time, BET: UNCUT used to air music videos 5-6 days a week, that would make "Monster's Ball" look like a Disney cartoon?


Well... I'm ticked off at those, too. And none of the video hoes are running for best actress off of their performances in the videos, either.


Well, video hoes don't get nominated for best actress, because what's the point of learning any lines, when all they have to do is shake their behinds in front of a camera? Confused
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Originally posted by Huey:
Well, video hoes don't get nominated for best actress, because what's the point of learning any lines, when all they have to do is shake their behinds in front of a camera? Confused


I know, Huey. The point is that the video women and Halle (in this film) both perpetuated a harmful sterotype. Hers was more impactful, simply because of the wide-reaching venue of the big screen and her name.

Also, the Academy was under some serious pressure to do something about their lack of AA male/female best actors and it is my personal opinion that both she and Denzel (cmon, an Academy award for playing a thugged out cop but not Malcolm X?) were chosen politically.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Huey:
Well, video hoes don't get nominated for best actress, because what's the point of learning any lines, when all they have to do is shake their behinds in front of a camera? Confused


I know, Huey. The point is that the video women and Halle (in this film) both perpetuated a harmful sterotype. Hers was more impactful, simply because of the wide-reaching venue of the big screen and her name.

Also, the Academy was under some serious pressure to do something about their lack of male/female best actors and it is my personal opinion that both she and Denzel (cmon, an Academy award for playing a thugged out cop?) were chosen politically.


I agree with that...the fact that she had to find solace in a Racist White Man disturbed me A LOT!

I don't care how much people have been drinking, knowing the history in this country between Black Women and White Men and knowing the film maker made a point to allow us to see that character as a racist individual should have been key indicators that they needed to be a lot more careful about how they walked that storyline.

She got the award for showing her "breasteses" and a whole lot more...and that is what pisses me off. I love Halle, don't get me wrong...what I don't love is how she was used in this instance.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Discerning!"
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Originally posted by Wiz:
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Originally posted by Cholly:
I have a question:

If the White guy was Brad Pitt, Hugh Jackman or George Clooney hittin' Halle Berry instead of Billy Bob Thorton in Monster's Ball, would this movie be gettin' some love and liked by Black people?? Cool
Generally speaking, it is really hard for me to see a movie with any interacial relations involving black women. with one exception and that was Love Actually.

Right now I am really, really struggling with the idea of seeing the new Star Trek movie. On the one hand, I am a fan of the Star Trek Line (Deep Space Nine was the best show ever), but as far as I am concerned, there is no reason why James T Kirk should be hitting Uhuru (Yes they did have the first interracial kiss on television, but that would have been years after this point and during that kiss there was no indication that their had been any prior activity between them, I mean, at the time they were under some space crap or something). I really think I am going to pass on it though.

While I know that does not make a movie bad, it does make me enjoy it a lot less to see that and I am very hesitant to spend money on it. Nah, not gon do it.



Let's not get facetious here, Wiz. We've all known that Kirk and Uhura were undercover lovers for the past 40-plus years, so it's wayyy too late for anybody on this thread or website, for that matter to be all ek surprised and shocked about it.

Damn, people. Star Trek supposedly takes place in the 22nd or 23rd centuries. IT'S SCIENCE FICTION!! Emphasis on the "FICTION" part. If folks weren't burning crosses when Kirk was sleeping with blue women, green women, purple women and *gasp* thuggish-ass Klingon women...then Kirk being with Uhura or been with Uhura when they were younger, shouldn't even be a freaking surprise.
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Originally posted by Huey:
If folks weren't burning crosses when Kirk was sleeping with blue women, green women, purple women and *gasp* thuggish-ass Klingon women...then Kirk being with Uhura or been with Uhura when they were younger, shouldn't even be a freaking surprise.


20 You know, I always said that if Roddenberry could get away with letting Kirk kiss a green Orion woman, he figured he could let Kirk kiss a sista. But I have never seen Kirk kiss a Klingon!

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In all seriousness, the kiss was a big deal. It was the 1st interracial kiss on television. They did two takes, where Kirk resisted it and another (aired) where he did it under extreme duress...

... and to make sure we knew how awful that was, he then proceded to whip the sh*t out of her. 6
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Originally posted by shulamite:
Here's a neat comment:

"She considered quitting Star Trek midway through its first season, when her character had been given little to do beyond perpetually opening hailing frequencies. In one interview, she famously described Uhura as "a glorified telephone operator in space". Then, at a civil rights protest, she met Martin Luther King Jr. -- who told her that he was a big fan of Star Trek. According to Nichols, when she told King she was thinking of quitting the show, he was shocked. "Don't you know you have the first non-stereotypical role in television?" she recalls King saying. "For the first time the world will see us as we should be seen -- people of quality in the future. You created a role with dignity and beauty and grace and intelligence. You're not just a role model for our children, but for people who don't look like us to see us for the first time as equals."


tfro appl bow

"Wisdom Is A Woman Grateful For EncourageMent!"
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Huey:
Well, video hoes don't get nominated for best actress, because what's the point of learning any lines, when all they have to do is shake their behinds in front of a camera? Confused


I know, Huey. The point is that the video women and Halle (in this film) both perpetuated a harmful sterotype. Hers was more impactful, simply because of the wide-reaching venue of the big screen and her name.

Also, the Academy was under some serious pressure to do something about their lack of AA male/female best actors and it is my personal opinion that both she and Denzel (cmon, an Academy award for playing a thugged out cop but not Malcolm X?) were chosen politically.


I've talked about this in earlier posts. I wish I knew which thread it was, so I can paste it. I know the reason why Denzel and Halle won their Oscars because not too many people of color actually win for Best Lead Actor/Actress. The year before they won, "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" won 4 Oscars out of 10 nominations. The Academy wasn't going to tick off the Asian community and shut them out, the way "The Color Purple" was shut out for their 11 nominations. And Benecio Del Toro won Best Supporting Actor for "Traffic." So you had Asians and one Latino winning Oscars, so you KNOW somebody black was gonna win next year...which would be Denzel and Halle. Halle could've been wrapped up like a mummy, she or some other black actress was going to win Oscar.

However, you and I know very well Denzel wasn't going to win the Oscar for Malcolm X, simply for the fact that Spike Lee directed the film. Had it been ANY other film director of any race, or any other black director besides Spike Lee, Denzel would have another Oscar.

Secondly, I had a debate with one other black dude about this Malcolm vs. Training Day performances, he said to me that Denzel did a better job as Alonzo Harris in Training Day, than as Malcolm in Malcolm X.

In fact, the same guy said that Jamie Foxx was more accurate playing Ray Charles in Ray than Denzel's version of Malcolm, but that's a whole other debate.

Thirdly, the reason why I ask this dude thought Denzel's performance in "Training" was better than in "X" was...

1. Denzel was a dark-skinned black man playing a light-skinned black man/historical figure.

2. He thought, as well as some others, that Lawrence Fishburne would've been portrayed Malcolm X better than Denzel, just for the physical appearances alone. Fishburne is much lighter than Denzel and much closer to Malcolm's skin color.

3. We both agreed, that if another black director other than Spike Lee, would've directed "Malcolm X", Denzel would've won it.

4. Dirty cops exist in the world. Let's not be naive about this. After all the stuff in the news about Diallo, Sean Bell, Rodney King, Abner Louima and what happened earlier in Oakland, CA, it's too late now to act like L.A.P.D. don't have corrupt cops. Like it or not, Denzel played that role to a T.

5. This is not the first time an actor won on Oscar for playing a villain. And it won't be the last. Not everybody who wins an Oscar, plays the hero.

Here's a list of actors who won playing villains:

Marlon Brando--The Godfather
Joe Pesci--Goodfellas*
Jeremy Irons--Reversal of Fortune*
Gene Hackman--Unforgiven
Denzel Washington--Training Day
Forrest Whitaker--The Last King of Scotland*
Javier Bardem--No Country for Old Men


*Oscar-winning roles based on real people
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Originally posted by Huey:
However, you and I know very well Denzel wasn't going to win the Oscar for Malcolm X, simply for the fact that Spike Lee directed the film.


Oh yeah, I had forgotten about this.

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he said to me that Denzel did a better job as Alonzo Harris in Training Day, than as Malcolm in Malcolm X.


I agree with this, though (imo) he did not do a better job than Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind and Malcolm was still an Oscar worthy performance. The fact that he won, given his competition, made the whole affair suspect to me.

By then, the Academy had to know that "Happyness", and "Scotland" were in the pipeline. I think they could have waited a couple of years on him.

But maybe they figured this would be Denzel's last significant performance for a while and wanted to tag him while the tagging was good.
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Originally posted by shulamite:

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he said to me that Denzel did a better job as Alonzo Harris in Training Day, than as Malcolm in Malcolm X.


I agree with this, though (imo) he did not do a better job than Russell Crowe in A Beautiful Mind and Malcolm was still an Oscar worthy performance. The fact that he won, given his competition, made the whole affair suspect to me.

By then, the Academy had to know that "Happyness", and "Scotland" were in the pipeline. I think they could have waited a couple of years on him.

But maybe they figured this would be Denzel's last significant performance for a while and wanted to tag him while the tagging was good.



At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.


I agree. After The Color Purple I was no longer impressed with their ability to be credible or politically objective.

But... they do have a large presence in this country, and to a somewhat lesser extent, worldwide. So they, along with other media potraying black folks, do have influence. Hence my dislike of Monster's Ball.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:

At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.


yeah

I like the "film festivals", as they tend to introduce us to really good films that often get overlooked. This is true especially of the documentaries and foreign films. I'm always pleased at their offerings and generally look forward to immersing myself in something new.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Appreciating Artists Off The Beaten Path!"
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.


I agree. After The Color Purple I was no longer impressed with their ability to be credible or politically objective.

But... they do have a large presence in this country, and to a somewhat lesser extent, worldwide. So they, along with other media potraying black folks, do have influence. Hence my dislike of Monster's Ball.


If the Academy Awards aren't the apex of film achievement, then what is? I know it can't be the IMAGE awards, because there's no way in the world you can tell me that "The Parkers" is a more better sitcom than "The Bernie Mac Show."
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.


I agree. After The Color Purple I was no longer impressed with their ability to be credible or politically objective.


yeah I haven't even watched them since the The Color Purple shut out...
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.


I agree. After The Color Purple I was no longer impressed with their ability to be credible or politically objective.


yeah I haven't even watched them since the The Color Purple shut out...



http://africanamerica.org/eve/...?r=53810019#53810019

My last two posts on the thread, that I pasted above, should suffice.
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Originally posted by Huey:
If the Academy Awards aren't the apex of film achievement, then what is?


I'm not arguing whether it is or is not the apex of film achievement. I am arguing that their decision making is socio-politically motivated and that by being *widely accepted* as the apex of film achievement, that whatever socio-politically informed choices regarding AA portrayals they make have reverberations on us all over this world.

Monster's Ball was not a good look for us in that regard...
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
At the end of the day, I don't take the Academy Awards as any indication of the quality of a film.


I agree. After The Color Purple I was no longer impressed with their ability to be credible or politically objective.

But... they do have a large presence in this country, and to a somewhat lesser extent, worldwide. So they, along with other media potraying black folks, do have influence. Hence my dislike of Monster's Ball.


If the Academy Awards aren't the apex of film achievement, then what is? I know it can't be the IMAGE awards, because there's no way in the world you can tell me that "The Parkers" is a more better sitcom than "The Bernie Mac Show."



How about the Palme d'Or at Cannes?
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Huey:
If the Academy Awards aren't the apex of film achievement, then what is? I know it can't be the IMAGE awards, because there's no way in the world you can tell me that "The Parkers" is a more better sitcom than "The Bernie Mac Show."



How about the Palme d'Or at Cannes?



lol I think he means in the Americas...


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I'd love to visit Cannes, though.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
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Originally posted by Huey:
If the Academy Awards aren't the apex of film achievement, then what is? I know it can't be the IMAGE awards, because there's no way in the world you can tell me that "The Parkers" is a more better sitcom than "The Bernie Mac Show."



How about the Palme d'Or at Cannes?



lol I think he means in the Americas...


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I'd love to visit Cannes, though.


Exactly, what she said. I'd love to visit Cannes, too. Very few American films win anything at Cannes. The only American films that I know of from the top of my head that have won Palme d'Or at Cannes are Spike Lee's She's Gotta Have It and Quentin Tarantino's Pulp Fiction.

Maybe the Golden Globes perhaps.


I hate to say it but all the Wesley Snipes movies after the Blade movies series.

7 Seconds

The Marksman

Hard Luck

Chaos

The Detonator

The Contractor

The Art Of War II: Betrayal

Everything listed went straight to DVD.

Now I know that the following statement made by Wesley in his 1977 Ebony interview angered Black women and sent his very soul to the Devil for every Arican American women in the U.S. and possibly abroad:

This is the complete text of Snipes’ 1997 interview with Ebony contributor Lynn Norment. Here’s what he actually said:
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The Asian model and restaurateur he introduces as “my lady, Donna [Wong]” has been Snipes’ companion for the past year and a half When asked if he dates Black women, he says: “Primarily all of my life I’ve dated Black women…. Oh, most definitely. Oh, my God. Mostly. But it just so happens that now I’m dating an Asian woman. It’s different.

Different energy, different spirit, but a nice person.” He says he is not ready for marriage; nor is Donna. “She’s got to learn to deal with the love scenes in the movies first,” says Snipes as he chuckles. “Got to get to a place where it’s very comfortable.”

Wesley says he realizes that there are Black women still who get an attitude about Black men with Asian, White or Hispanic women. “I know we’ve all been hurt, and we’re all very wounded,” he says, addressing Black women. “We have to acknowledge that, both male and female, in the Black experience. We’re a wounded people. And we want to possess and we want to own. We don’t want to compromise. We feel like we’ve compromised enough. But in any relationship you have to compromise. There’s no way around it. And I say to Black women also, Brothers who are very, very successful, or who have become somewhat successful, usually it’s been at a great expense, unseen by the camera’s eye….

“He doesn’t want to come home to someone who’s going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.’ He doesn’t want to come home to that. He doesn’t want to come home to have a fight with someone who is supposed to be his helpmate. So it’s very natural that he’s going to turn to some place that’s more compassionate…. You’ve worked hard and you deserve to come home to comforting. And usually a man who has that will appreciate it. Because I’ve never known one cat, all those cats I’ve hung out with and still hang out with, who found something that they really, really like and didn’t go back to it. They all go back. It’s very simple.”

When asked for clarification, Snipes emphasizes that he is not saying that a Black woman can not be that type of woman a man wants to come home to. “Not at all,” he declares. “Absolutely not. That’s the point. I want to come home and I don’t want to argue. I want to be pleasing, but if I ask you to get me a glass of water, you’re going to say, `Them days is over.’ please. Come on,” Wesley says. “A man likes that. I don’t know why. It’s been that way forever. It makes him proud, you know, like when the guys come over and your lady comes out with a tray of food and says `I made this up for you.’ And the guys are like, `Oh man, you’ve got a great woman.’ And the man says, `Yeah, I do.’ A man will appreciate it when you’re kind and when you’re nice.

“For successful women, it’s hard,” he continues, obviously quite comfortable and articulate on the subject of relationships. “The competition is fierce. And if he’s a man of success and power who happens to be handsome, of course you’re not the only one who thinks he’s handsome. But you don’t have to punish him because of that once you get with him. Don’t punish him because somebody else likes him.”

Continuing with his openness, Snipes says he’s had his heart broken more than once, and at times by Black women. “Most definitely. Most definitely,” he says.
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Now I know that y'all will all say that Karma is a bitch and "what goes around comes around" many feel that he lost focus and he believed that his shit didn't stink and additionally with his tax woes and 3 year conviction, he's been totally blacklisted in Hollywood but can a Black brother be forgiven?

Can he get a reprieve for time served????

Ladies, it's been 11.5 years. Hasn't he been punished enough?

I don't want Wesley to receive some type of African American Lifetime Achievement Award when he's in his 70's.

I know that this "Wesley thang" has been probably discussed on this blog site at some point in the past (and I am in total agreement: what he said was foul and he committed the ultimate sin: completely dissing Black women) but come on ladies............just a teeny wee bit of dap and consideration????

You guys hold the key to his Hollywood fate and possible continued acting success. You have held and tightly squeezed Wesley's nuts in your hands for long enough.

My man can act and y'all know that!!!!

Half of the Hollywood actors (Black or White) don't have a tenth of the acting chops of Snipes and now he sits miserably in the bargin bins (buy 2, get one free) of every Blockbuster and video distributor nationwide.

Please? bow
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Originally posted by Huey:

Let's not get facetious here, Wiz. We've all known that Kirk and Uhura were undercover lovers for the past 40-plus years, so it's wayyy too late for anybody on this thread or website, for that matter to be all ek surprised and shocked about it.

Damn, people. Star Trek supposedly takes place in the 22nd or 23rd centuries. IT'S SCIENCE FICTION!! Emphasis on the "FICTION" part. If folks weren't burning crosses when Kirk was sleeping with blue women, green women, purple women and *gasp* thuggish-ass Klingon women...then Kirk being with Uhura or been with Uhura when they were younger, shouldn't even be a freaking surprise.


No, I did not 'know' that and there was nothing in the series or the movies that would indicate it. My issue with the interracial relationships in media is the way I have seen them play out. Like for instance in the movie 'Jackie Brown' It was not so bad that Pam Grier's true love was a white man, nor it was really bad that Samuel L Jackson's girlfriend was a white girl, but the way the two relationships played out is too typical of how Hollwood plays IR relationships.

(for those with no inclination to see the movie, the white dude did everything he could for Jackie Brown while Samuel L Jackson drugged and basically pimped out his girlfriend)

I don't know. It just seems very unfair when it comes to IR relationships in the media when a black man is involved.
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Originally posted by Wiz:
No, I did not 'know' that and there was nothing in the series or the movies that would indicate it. My issue with the interracial relationships in media is the way I have seen them play out. Like for instance in the movie 'Jackie Brown' It was not so bad that Pam Grier's true love was a white man, nor it was really bad that Samuel L Jackson's girlfriend was a white girl, but the way the two relationships played out is too typical of how Hollwood plays IR relationships.

(for those with no inclination to see the movie, the white dude did everything he could for Jackie Brown while Samuel L Jackson drugged and basically pimped out his girlfriend)

I don't know. It just seems very unfair when it comes to IR relationships in the media when a black man is involved.


yeah I have Jackie Brown...that movie had a lot of stuff (crap) in it that was just wrong...lol.

But it was an interesting thing...what did you think about when he shot ol' boy in the trunk? Or what about when she played them all?

"Wisdom Is A Woman Curious!"
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
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Originally posted by Cholly:


I hate to say it but all the Wesley Snipes movies after the Blade movies series.


AFTER the Blade movie series?? Confused 19 Confused

It was downhill for Wesley with that airplane movie he did! Eek

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You mean Passenger 57? That movie was good to go and it was in the mainstrean venues of action movies. It made the big screen and people liked it.

You and your sisterhood hold the key?

Wesley Snipes: A black prisoner without parole....give me SOMETHING!! bow bow bow bow Big Grin bow bowbowPLEASE!!!
LOL ... yes, it was Passenger 57 ... and he should have let Bruce Willis or Tom Cruise or some other White superhero do that movie! Eek The plot sucked, he sucked, and nobody has been able to take him seriously since! lol

and yeah ... his ass is locked down and locked out. But not from just that one stupid interview ... but from a lifetime of being an ASSHOLE! He is so full of himself, I doubt there's room for another woman (or another man for that matter Eek) in his life!!

He can't keep his foot out of his own mouth ... or apparently, his hands to himself either ... as rumor has it that he's a woman-beating lunatic in addition to all his other issues!

Yeah ... he can act, alright .... act a DAMN FOOL which is why his ass is in the pokey for tax evasion right now!!!! lol

Instead of trying to be the Black Superman ... he needs to try to play a BLACK MAN, PERIOD!! Maybe Wesley needs to go to Jamaica and find him a nice, chocolate Caribbean sista with dimples so he can "Get His Groove Back"!! laugh lol

It's not us Black women that need to *release* Mr. Snipes ... he needs to let go of that 'anal-retentive', holier-than-thou attitude ... and he'll feel much better!! Big Grin But then again ... maybe he should wait until his sentence is over for that! ek
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Originally posted by Cholly:


I hate to say it but all the Wesley Snipes movies after the Blade movies series.

7 Seconds

The Marksman

Hard Luck

Chaos

The Detonator

The Contractor

The Art Of War II: Betrayal

Everything listed went straight to DVD.

Now I know that the following statement made by Wesley in his 1977 Ebony interview angered Black women and sent his very soul to the Devil for every Arican American women in the U.S. and possibly abroad:

This is the complete text of Snipes’ 1997 interview with Ebony contributor Lynn Norment. Here’s what he actually said:
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The Asian model and restaurateur he introduces as “my lady, Donna [Wong]” has been Snipes’ companion for the past year and a half When asked if he dates Black women, he says: “Primarily all of my life I’ve dated Black women…. Oh, most definitely. Oh, my God. Mostly. But it just so happens that now I’m dating an Asian woman. It’s different.

Different energy, different spirit, but a nice person.” He says he is not ready for marriage; nor is Donna. “She’s got to learn to deal with the love scenes in the movies first,” says Snipes as he chuckles. “Got to get to a place where it’s very comfortable.”

Wesley says he realizes that there are Black women still who get an attitude about Black men with Asian, White or Hispanic women. “I know we’ve all been hurt, and we’re all very wounded,” he says, addressing Black women. “We have to acknowledge that, both male and female, in the Black experience. We’re a wounded people. And we want to possess and we want to own. We don’t want to compromise. We feel like we’ve compromised enough. But in any relationship you have to compromise. There’s no way around it. And I say to Black women also, Brothers who are very, very successful, or who have become somewhat successful, usually it’s been at a great expense, unseen by the camera’s eye….

“He doesn’t want to come home to someone who’s going to be mean and aggravating and unkind and who is going to be `please me, please me.’ He doesn’t want to come home to that. He doesn’t want to come home to have a fight with someone who is supposed to be his helpmate. So it’s very natural that he’s going to turn to some place that’s more compassionate…. You’ve worked hard and you deserve to come home to comforting. And usually a man who has that will appreciate it. Because I’ve never known one cat, all those cats I’ve hung out with and still hang out with, who found something that they really, really like and didn’t go back to it. They all go back. It’s very simple.”

When asked for clarification, Snipes emphasizes that he is not saying that a Black woman can not be that type of woman a man wants to come home to. “Not at all,” he declares. “Absolutely not. That’s the point. I want to come home and I don’t want to argue. I want to be pleasing, but if I ask you to get me a glass of water, you’re going to say, `Them days is over.’ please. Come on,” Wesley says. “A man likes that. I don’t know why. It’s been that way forever. It makes him proud, you know, like when the guys come over and your lady comes out with a tray of food and says `I made this up for you.’ And the guys are like, `Oh man, you’ve got a great woman.’ And the man says, `Yeah, I do.’ A man will appreciate it when you’re kind and when you’re nice.

“For successful women, it’s hard,” he continues, obviously quite comfortable and articulate on the subject of relationships. “The competition is fierce. And if he’s a man of success and power who happens to be handsome, of course you’re not the only one who thinks he’s handsome. But you don’t have to punish him because of that once you get with him. Don’t punish him because somebody else likes him.”

Continuing with his openness, Snipes says he’s had his heart broken more than once, and at times by Black women. “Most definitely. Most definitely,” he says.
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Now I know that y'all will all say that Karma is a bitch and "what goes around comes around" many feel that he lost focus and he believed that his shit didn't stink and additionally with his tax woes and 3 year conviction, he's been totally blacklisted in Hollywood but can a Black brother be forgiven?

Can he get a reprieve for time served????

Ladies, it's been 11.5 years. Hasn't he been punished enough?

I don't want Wesley to receive some type of African American Lifetime Achievement Award when he's in his 70's.

I know that this "Wesley thang" has been probably discussed on this blog site at some point in the past (and I am in total agreement: what he said was foul and he committed the ultimate sin: completely dissing Black women) but come on ladies............just a teeny wee bit of dap and consideration????

You guys hold the key to his Hollywood fate and possible continued acting success. You have held and tightly squeezed Wesley's nuts in your hands for long enough.

My man can act and y'all know that!!!!

Half of the Hollywood actors (Black or White) don't have a tenth of the acting chops of Snipes and now he sits miserably in the bargin bins (buy 2, get one free) of every Blockbuster and video distributor nationwide.

Please? bow


I don't know.. When I wish to see a movie and relax from working I like my actors to be in movies that bring me pleasure and peace and none of his movies did that for me.. moviegoers just like that.. I don't know why.. It makes us feel like we didn't waste our time... when we speak to our friends about spending our ten bucks.. like it was worth it you know? And our friends and family are like "Really!? It was good? But Wesley hasn't been kind and nice to his fans.. Tu Wong Foo was wrong.. and so we just had to abandon the likes of him... and look into some of the asian markets.. Chow Yun Fat and Jackie Chan are hot..

* Le sigh*
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
LOL ... yes, it was Passenger 57 ... and he should have let Bruce Willis or Tom Cruise or some other White superhero do that movie! Eek The plot sucked, he sucked, and nobody has been able to take him seriously since! lol

and yeah ... his ass is locked down and locked out. But not from just that one stupid interview ... but from a lifetime of being an ASSHOLE! He is so full of himself, I doubt there's room for another woman (or another man for that matter Eek) in his life!!

He can't keep his foot out of his own mouth ... or apparently, his hands to himself either ... as rumor has it that he's a woman-beating lunatic in addition to all his other issues!

Yeah ... he can act, alright .... act a DAMN FOOL which is why his ass is in the pokey for tax evasion right now!!!! lol

Instead of trying to be the Black Superman ... he needs to try to play a BLACK MAN, PERIOD!! Maybe Wesley needs to go to Jamaica and find him a nice, chocolate Caribbean sista with dimples so he can "Get His Groove Back"!! laugh lol

It's not us Black women that need to *release* Mr. Snipes ... he needs to let go of that 'anal-retentive', holier-than-thou attitude ... and he'll feel much better!! Big Grin But then again ... maybe he should wait until his sentence is over for that! ek


QUOTE from ER:"It's not us Black women that need to *release* Mr. Snipes ... he needs to let go of that 'anal-retentive', holier-than-thou attitude ... and he'll feel much better!!
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Well the jury is out and it seems that ole' Wes is doomed and his ghetto pass has permantely expired for life and all hopes of reconciliation is dashed. That's just sad. Frown

Outside of his troubles with taxes, what has Wesley said or done within the last 5+ years to warrant this response?

Or is it just his mere presence that just ticks you off?

Wesley has been completely quiet and has made little or no noise at all. Maybe only a media presence but what else has he said?

Ya'll (we all) forgave O.J. (the first time) and Marion Barry.

Can a brother get at least an appeal or a parole hearing? I guess not.

Wesley, my man, I tried. Maybe someone here of the Black female presuasion will give you holla but...................... Confused
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Originally posted by Cholly:
Can a brother get at least an appeal or a parole hearing? I guess not.


I was never mad at Wesley Snipes. I just never saw a movie of his (in which he was the lead) that really stood out to me, Blade included. He's like Bruce Willis to me... just lucky timing, and a damn good agent at snagging blockbusters.

As far as his thoughts on black women, I don't care. If he dislikes us that much, fine. As long as he ain't trying to date us (which he isn't), it's all good. And he's not broadcasting his thoughts on that subject 24/7. If he made a movie I wanted to see, I'd go see it in a heartbeat.

The only African-American artist I categorically refuse to support based on moral grounds is R. Kelly.
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by Cholly:
Can a brother get at least an appeal or a parole hearing? I guess not.


I was never mad at Wesley Snipes. I just never saw a movie of his (in which he was the lead) that really stood out to me, Blade included. He's like Bruce Willis to me... just lucky timing, and a damn good agent at snagging blockbusters.

As far as his thoughts on black women, I don't care. If he dislikes us that much, fine. As long as he ain't trying to date us (which he isn't), it's all good. And he's not broadcasting his thoughts on that subject 24/7. If he made a movie I wanted to see, I'd go see it in a heartbeat.

The only African-American artist I categorically refuse to support based on moral grounds is R. Kelly.

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Big Grin A glimmer of hope. Big Grin
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
. or apparently, his hands to himself either ... as rumor has it that he's a woman-beating lunatic in addition to all his other issues!


Is he the one that hit Halle Berry and damaged her hearing?

Yep. He beat her such that she is deaf in one ear to this day.
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Originally posted by kresge:
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Originally posted by shulamite:
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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
. or apparently, his hands to himself either ... as rumor has it that he's a woman-beating lunatic in addition to all his other issues!


Is he the one that hit Halle Berry and damaged her hearing?

Yep. He beat her such that she is deaf in one ear to this day.


Damn.

I'd heard that they had dated, but wasn't sure if he was the one behind the loss of hearing.
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Originally posted by Cholly:

Wesley, my man, I tried. Maybe someone here of the Black female presuasion will give you holla but...................... Confused




Most healthy women do not pine after someone who has singled them out for rejection... in addition, his movies suck.. so there is no reason to overlook his lack of sensitivity/ respect in favor of an over riding talent.. He has not displayed any in a long while...
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Originally posted by Khalliqa:
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Originally posted by Cholly:

Wesley, my man, I tried. Maybe someone here of the Black female presuasion will give you holla but...................... Confused




Most healthy women do not pine after someone who has singled them out for rejection... in addition, his movies suck.. so there is no reason to overlook his lack of sensitivity/ respect in favor of an over riding talent.. He has not displayed any in a long while...

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Let me correct myself. I did not mean "holla" in the sense of some sort of primal pining, but in the sense of some sort of reprieve.

Wesley knows that he fucked up but I think that his problem may not not be male ego or pride in his complete slience, but outright fear and uncertainity.

In the Black community, Wesley now knows (and knew for a long time) that he did one of the worst things that a man can do, completely disrespect and disregard the Black women.

Sometimes when things are going well and you're on top, you stop thinking, you don't give a damn about what you say or do because you believe that you will always get the benefit of the doubt (we do have a history of doing that).

That's the overwhelming Black love that Wesley felt and no matter what he did or say that love (in his mind) would never, ever go away.

Wesley got played. O.J. thought that and Tavis Smiley (politically) thought that too.

They all thought that you can walk away from Black but Black will never walk away from you.

Because no matter where you venture, you will always be Black and you can always come back home.

Wesley's solution? Walk away in shame wrapped in deflective male ego, (he did it in an extremely cocky manner), and find a false solice in a foreign White & Asian cultures that will not judge him harshy at all and that values the Asian and foreign White woman as not equal or considered as second class citizens.

Women that are traiditonally and generationally bred & taught to serve your man first, nurture your man first, are completely dependent on the man for their entire lifestyle & livelihood, listen completely to your man, values your man's opinions, have his family, don't ask any questions of your man and his dealing and keep your mouths shut.

Women, just suffer in silence.

Now that Wesley is in severe trouble; tax/money problems, pending prison, little or no career left, blacklisted by Hollywood and now completely shunned by both the Black community and now the very foreign White and Asian cultures who embraced him since he had lot his cred & swagger (the very thing and only thing that attracted them to him in the first place), he's lost: caught between what he had, what he lost (in the Black community), where he was (in the Asian/foreign White community) and now, no real home.

He is now like a man without a country.

And a culture.

Black folk don't want him, Asian/foreign Whites don't want him and American Whites don't want him.

What left? Indians?????

And yes, it's all his fault and his alone and in a million years he probably never thought that this would happen like this, maybe short term but this???

End result: absolutely no respect from anybody.

And to me, it's just kinda sad.

That's why I asked for just a little dap. tfro

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