quote:Originally posted by Oshun Auset:quote:Originally posted by Noah The African:quote:Originally posted by Oshun Auset:quote:Originally posted by Noah The African:quote:Originally posted by Oshun Auset:quote:Originally posted by Vox:
Noah, you have become an appallingly off base, out of touch character. It's at the point where you're actually sinking beneath the dignity of debate.
Nope Vox, he has become a troll, bringing Obama up in threads where he isn't even mentioned...
Can folks like me have one thread in the Issues and Politics section where this doesn't come up? Oh no, that would be too much like right!
This too is a lie. scroll down this forum page andsee if the evidence substantiates your claim. Its not hard to check. When people resort to lies and embellishment, to try to make a point...its obvious that they don't really have a valid point. There are plenty of post on this forum, the VAST majority of them, where I do not even post a reply. Yet, you chime in making the absurd claim that no one can have a conversation in here without me injecting anti-Obama Opinion.
I've unscientifically clicked on way too many 'unrelated to Obama' god-damn threads where you and Marcus X are spamming. Now cut the shit.quote:If I talk about economics and have a negative view all of a sudden its anti-OBama. Why.....because Obama has a plan which he says will turn things around. So the fact that my opinion is on the other side of OBama....I am bashing Obama. I am making the same arguments I have made for at least 5 years on this forum. Whats different now is that a black man is president and anything that I say against the Shytsem is born from a hatred of Obama. WRong....its born from a lack of confidence in the Shystem. All of a sudden I am supposed to jump on the bandwagon and become a partiot of the Shytstem because a black man is running it as the figure head? Just like with Tavis Smiley....its not us.....it the crazed and dazed support of OBama that is contorting reality.
You all are simply LYING. I understand that you don't like my opinion or rhetoric, but to have to resort to lies and embellishment does not speak well of you or your real motives. Everyone is free to have a conversation on this blog. There are only a few subject matters that I will participate in and I don't participate in the majority of the topics on this forum. Most of you have way more post than do I and I have been posting on this site for about 7 years.
No....if Obama came out made a profound statement and commitment to help the black condition....this forum's volume of activity would skyrocket, just like it skyrocted in anticipation and excitment over the possibility of his presidency. Now...however, people are no longer excited and subconsiously, if not consciously, a little or a lot dissapointed in what he has done thus far. Hence....this is why people are not posting. There is nothing good to report and they Hyped Obama so much that they are now muted. Then it pisses them off to hear me say...."I told you so" or post an article that caste aspersion on the hype. The TRUTH is that you all are hyper sensitive over OBama. Its not that I am dominating and or disrupting the forum...its that people just don't want to hear the negative about Obama. Now, you can post all day with Negatives about Bush, Republicans...and not be a troll or appalling. No one is sensitive to critism or negativity directed at people that the condemn....however, when its the entities that they worship....then, and only then, do they have a problem with certain behavior.
[rant]When I said PEOPLE LIKE ME, I a referring the Pan Africanist's who think that the leader of ANY capitalist nation is going to do the bidding of the corporate/banking elite... so therefore I really don't give an 'extra' fock about talking about Obama all the god-damn time like you do... and I sure won't go aroud calling the vast majority of our people a bunch of 'Negros' because we disagree politically. That is some self loathing shit. I'm sick of fake ass nationalists bitching about Obama instead of focussing on the shitstem... So why the fock are you posting all this extra bs about Obama in response to ME? Damn spambot...[/rant]
This thread was about Stepin Fetchit Clarence Thomas... Who goes beyond even what the republocrat elite and the conservative image demands of African/Blacks in out-whiting YT... Stop trolling.
Look, I don’t give a fock about what you feel a pan Africanist should be talking about. I too am a Pan Africanist and I don’t remember you being elected arbiter of whom and what we should talk about. I don’t live in every focking Capitalistic nation. I live in this damn one and I am going to talk about this shitstem and the figure heads running it. If that upsets you then too damn bad. If you see shit laying on the side walk, you can choose to step the fock over it or step into it. Aint nobody up in here forcing anyone from side stepping the shit I write and just moving on to the conversation you want to have. Nope, but you crybaby as sissies want to act like I am ruining sh1t for you. How? What gives me that type of power that I can prevent a grown azz man from picking the conversation he wants to have? Mine is not the only response to the threads. Just pick the damn conversation that meets your liking and respond to it and shut the fock up talking that sh1t to me. I am not spamming. I have presented topics on Rape in South Africa, The auto industry, the economy and a host of other topics. In regards to the use of the term Negro, I consider myself a Negro. Malcolm X used the term Negros in referring to “US”. Martin Luther King Jr. Used the word Negro. How the fock you going to try to say the term Negro is denigrating to black people? Do you think Malcolm X was denigrating his people by using the term? Do you think that MLK was denigrating his people by using the term? Get the fock out of here with that stupid azz reasoning.
That's some bullshit and you know it. YOU KNOW Malcolm X and Martin were using the terminology of their time... Which was quite a while ago. You think they would use it today? And Malcolm began to refer to us as Africans in the latter years anyhow. That's the weakest excuse I have ever heard someone attempt to use to castigate his own people with terminology that if used by YT would require an ass whooping. Every Pan Africanist I have ever met, organized with, read, and heard speak uses the term AFRICAN to describe themselves and our people. Only fake ass folk use anything else... I call bullshit when I see it, especially when it's ego trippin disguised as fake militancy. If you don't speak to the masses of our people from a base of love you are full of shit and calling our folks Negro isn't 'love'. BTW, you don't call yourself a Negro... You call yourself an African. I actually used to like reading your posts because of this fact before you jumped on Marcus 3X 'Negro' bandwagon...Change your name to "Noah the Negro"... and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.
Here is a test for you... Let's use a person who lived passed the 60's... Did Kwame Ture CONTINUE to use the word Negro after SNCC? What about when he was in the BBP? How about the AAPRP... He used to use Negro when he was Martin and Malcolm's contemporary, but after such archaic terminology was tossed into the trash bin of history he left it there where it belonged. Did you miss the Black is beautiful period?quote:Now, I will admit that I was probably wrong in posting what I said in a thread about Clarence. I should have just started another thread because I was for damn sure going to expose the blatant hypocrisy.
Yes, you were wrong... and don't expect your hypocrisy card not to get pulled...
Look, I don’t have a problem with telling anyone to kiss my azz on this forum. The only time I use Negro as a pejorative is when I qualify it with the term “House” in front of it, as in “House Negro”. That is the ONLY time Negro is sent out to communicate negativity by me. Now, communication is a two way process. What you are guilty of is PROJECTING. What YOU are saying is that to YOU the word is a pejorative because it is not the CURRENT way a certain people refer to themselves. What you grant deference to is that you are an individual and I am a separate individuals and I am not bound to see and interpret things the way you are. Why should I be bound by verbal chains just because you are? Furthermore, I don’t have a Problem with Noah The Negro. 7 or 8 years ago when I created my membership here, I was not using the term Negro. Negro, as I said, is a term that I recently (the last few years) started using after I looked at some old footage of Malcolm X. Again, the issue here is that YOU have a problem with the term and you are attempting to superimpose your interpretation to be that of mine. It’s not going to happen and I am not going to stop using the term just because YOU interpret it a certain way. Again, I don’t follow along to get along. I am a pan African by virtue of how I define Pan Africanism and not based upon the official Pan African hand book. I don’t box myself in like that. I am a free thinking searching for truth and not letting others define it for me.
Let me explain something to you. White people saw our humanity and being as INFERIOR. Whatever terminology they used for us would ALWAYS be a pejorative. The issue was not the TERM; the issue was their perception of our inferiority. Hence, when they spoke of us and about us any term used by them to identify us was a pejorative. Can you understand that? The issue is not words or terms, the issue is BELIEFS. I principally reject all Inferiority and inferiority doctrines. So when I use a term to point to our people, whatever term I choose to use it can NEVER be a pejorative because I could NEVER see our people as inferior. Now, we manifest inferior behavior in many respects, but that is born from oppression as every action manifest a reaction. Furthermore, did you know that there are Many, Many black people who reject the term “African”? Do you know that many Black Americans see Africa as something they do not want to be associated with? It is not until recently that black Americans did not cringe at being referred to as African. Try an experiment. Go up to an older Black American and say “Hey African” and see if he gives you a dirty look or not. You will get a dirty look and they might try to whoop yo azz…lol. “I aint no damn African”…..LOL. I KNOW black Americans like this. So to them, you are denigrating them by referring to them as African. Just because YOU or I might use the term favorably, that does not mean that we can superimpose our beliefs upon them.
You see the real demon is white supremacy and its corollary of black inferiority. The only way a term can have impact is if one buys into this fundamental fallacy. For example, if everyone was the same height and weight, would anyone be fat or skinny, given relativity? To denigrate and castigate require some sort of baseline of relativity. To denigrate black people would require one to accept that blacks do not meet the baseline of the baseline of humanity. I have spent much more time arguing against mainstream white positions on predominately white forums and exposing their implicit black inferiority beliefs, than I participate in this forum. You have NEVER heard me say anything that would suggest that blacks are inferior. Now, again, blacks have MANY issues that is a REACTION to 400 years of oppressive actions against our humanity which manifest in the inferiority of CONDITION and BEHAVIOR. Again, I don’t have a problem pointing out these dysfunctions and saying that black folks aint shit in some of our behavior, because I link this behavior to the actions of this society and culture in its treatment of black people. Call it the mental chains of slavery or whatever…..we got some issues and I be damn if I am not going to point them out….whoever the fock it upsets. Sometimes getting upset lights a fire that needs to be lit.