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Noah, you have become an appallingly off base, out of touch character. It's at the point where you're actually sinking beneath the dignity of debate.


nono Nope Vox, he has become a troll, bringing Obama up in threads where he isn't even mentioned...

Can folks like me have one thread in the Issues and Politics section where this doesn't come up? Oh no, that would be too much like right! Mad


This too is a lie. scroll down this forum page andsee if the evidence substantiates your claim. Its not hard to check. When people resort to lies and embellishment, to try to make a point...its obvious that they don't really have a valid point. There are plenty of post on this forum, the VAST majority of them, where I do not even post a reply. Yet, you chime in making the absurd claim that no one can have a conversation in here without me injecting anti-Obama Opinion. bs



I've unscientifically clicked on way too many 'unrelated to Obama' god-damn threads where you and Marcus X are spamming. Now cut the shit.

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If I talk about economics and have a negative view all of a sudden its anti-OBama. Why.....because Obama has a plan which he says will turn things around. So the fact that my opinion is on the other side of OBama....I am bashing Obama. I am making the same arguments I have made for at least 5 years on this forum. Whats different now is that a black man is president and anything that I say against the Shytsem is born from a hatred of Obama. WRong....its born from a lack of confidence in the Shystem. All of a sudden I am supposed to jump on the bandwagon and become a partiot of the Shytstem because a black man is running it as the figure head? Just like with Tavis Smiley....its not us.....it the crazed and dazed support of OBama that is contorting reality.

You all are simply LYING. I understand that you don't like my opinion or rhetoric, but to have to resort to lies and embellishment does not speak well of you or your real motives. Everyone is free to have a conversation on this blog. There are only a few subject matters that I will participate in and I don't participate in the majority of the topics on this forum. Most of you have way more post than do I and I have been posting on this site for about 7 years.

No....if Obama came out made a profound statement and commitment to help the black condition....this forum's volume of activity would skyrocket, just like it skyrocted in anticipation and excitment over the possibility of his presidency. Now...however, people are no longer excited and subconsiously, if not consciously, a little or a lot dissapointed in what he has done thus far. Hence....this is why people are not posting. There is nothing good to report and they Hyped Obama so much that they are now muted. Then it pisses them off to hear me say...."I told you so" or post an article that caste aspersion on the hype. The TRUTH is that you all are hyper sensitive over OBama. Its not that I am dominating and or disrupting the forum...its that people just don't want to hear the negative about Obama. Now, you can post all day with Negatives about Bush, Republicans...and not be a troll or appalling. No one is sensitive to critism or negativity directed at people that the condemn....however, when its the entities that they worship....then, and only then, do they have a problem with certain behavior.


[rant]When I said PEOPLE LIKE ME, I a referring the Pan Africanist's who think that the leader of ANY capitalist nation is going to do the bidding of the corporate/banking elite... so therefore I really don't give an 'extra' fock about talking about Obama all the god-damn time like you do... and I sure won't go aroud calling the vast majority of our people a bunch of 'Negros' because we disagree politically. That is some self loathing shit. I'm sick of fake ass nationalists bitching about Obama instead of focussing on the shitstem... So why the fock are you posting all this extra bs about Obama in response to ME? Damn spambot...[/rant]

This thread was about Stepin Fetchit Clarence Thomas... Who goes beyond even what the republocrat elite and the conservative image demands of African/Blacks in out-whiting YT... Stop trolling.


Look, I don’t give a fock about what you feel a pan Africanist should be talking about. I too am a Pan Africanist and I don’t remember you being elected arbiter of whom and what we should talk about. I don’t live in every focking Capitalistic nation. I live in this damn one and I am going to talk about this shitstem and the figure heads running it. If that upsets you then too damn bad. If you see shit laying on the side walk, you can choose to step the fock over it or step into it. Aint nobody up in here forcing anyone from side stepping the shit I write and just moving on to the conversation you want to have. Nope, but you crybaby as sissies want to act like I am ruining sh1t for you. How? What gives me that type of power that I can prevent a grown azz man from picking the conversation he wants to have? Mine is not the only response to the threads. Just pick the damn conversation that meets your liking and respond to it and shut the fock up talking that sh1t to me. I am not spamming. I have presented topics on Rape in South Africa, The auto industry, the economy and a host of other topics. In regards to the use of the term Negro, I consider myself a Negro. Malcolm X used the term Negros in referring to “US”. Martin Luther King Jr. Used the word Negro. How the fock you going to try to say the term Negro is denigrating to black people? Do you think Malcolm X was denigrating his people by using the term? Do you think that MLK was denigrating his people by using the term? Get the fock out of here with that stupid azz reasoning.


That's some bullshit and you know it. YOU KNOW Malcolm X and Martin were using the terminology of their time... Which was quite a while ago. You think they would use it today? And Malcolm began to refer to us as Africans in the latter years anyhow. That's the weakest excuse I have ever heard someone attempt to use to castigate his own people with terminology that if used by YT would require an ass whooping. Every Pan Africanist I have ever met, organized with, read, and heard speak uses the term AFRICAN to describe themselves and our people. Only fake ass folk use anything else... I call bullshit when I see it, especially when it's ego trippin disguised as fake militancy. If you don't speak to the masses of our people from a base of love you are full of shit and calling our folks Negro isn't 'love'. BTW, you don't call yourself a Negro... You call yourself an African. I actually used to like reading your posts because of this fact before you jumped on Marcus 3X 'Negro' bandwagon...Change your name to "Noah the Negro"... and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

Here is a test for you... Let's use a person who lived passed the 60's... Did Kwame Ture CONTINUE to use the word Negro after SNCC? What about when he was in the BBP? How about the AAPRP... He used to use Negro when he was Martin and Malcolm's contemporary, but after such archaic terminology was tossed into the trash bin of history he left it there where it belonged. Did you miss the Black is beautiful period? 17

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Now, I will admit that I was probably wrong in posting what I said in a thread about Clarence. I should have just started another thread because I was for damn sure going to expose the blatant hypocrisy.


Yes, you were wrong... and don't expect your hypocrisy card not to get pulled...


Look, I don’t have a problem with telling anyone to kiss my azz on this forum. The only time I use Negro as a pejorative is when I qualify it with the term “House” in front of it, as in “House Negro”. That is the ONLY time Negro is sent out to communicate negativity by me. Now, communication is a two way process. What you are guilty of is PROJECTING. What YOU are saying is that to YOU the word is a pejorative because it is not the CURRENT way a certain people refer to themselves. What you grant deference to is that you are an individual and I am a separate individuals and I am not bound to see and interpret things the way you are. Why should I be bound by verbal chains just because you are? Furthermore, I don’t have a Problem with Noah The Negro. 7 or 8 years ago when I created my membership here, I was not using the term Negro. Negro, as I said, is a term that I recently (the last few years) started using after I looked at some old footage of Malcolm X. Again, the issue here is that YOU have a problem with the term and you are attempting to superimpose your interpretation to be that of mine. It’s not going to happen and I am not going to stop using the term just because YOU interpret it a certain way. Again, I don’t follow along to get along. I am a pan African by virtue of how I define Pan Africanism and not based upon the official Pan African hand book. I don’t box myself in like that. I am a free thinking searching for truth and not letting others define it for me.


Let me explain something to you. White people saw our humanity and being as INFERIOR. Whatever terminology they used for us would ALWAYS be a pejorative. The issue was not the TERM; the issue was their perception of our inferiority. Hence, when they spoke of us and about us any term used by them to identify us was a pejorative. Can you understand that? The issue is not words or terms, the issue is BELIEFS. I principally reject all Inferiority and inferiority doctrines. So when I use a term to point to our people, whatever term I choose to use it can NEVER be a pejorative because I could NEVER see our people as inferior. Now, we manifest inferior behavior in many respects, but that is born from oppression as every action manifest a reaction. Furthermore, did you know that there are Many, Many black people who reject the term “African”? Do you know that many Black Americans see Africa as something they do not want to be associated with? It is not until recently that black Americans did not cringe at being referred to as African. Try an experiment. Go up to an older Black American and say “Hey African” and see if he gives you a dirty look or not. You will get a dirty look and they might try to whoop yo azz…lol. “I aint no damn African”…..LOL. I KNOW black Americans like this. So to them, you are denigrating them by referring to them as African. Just because YOU or I might use the term favorably, that does not mean that we can superimpose our beliefs upon them.


You see the real demon is white supremacy and its corollary of black inferiority. The only way a term can have impact is if one buys into this fundamental fallacy. For example, if everyone was the same height and weight, would anyone be fat or skinny, given relativity? To denigrate and castigate require some sort of baseline of relativity. To denigrate black people would require one to accept that blacks do not meet the baseline of the baseline of humanity. I have spent much more time arguing against mainstream white positions on predominately white forums and exposing their implicit black inferiority beliefs, than I participate in this forum. You have NEVER heard me say anything that would suggest that blacks are inferior. Now, again, blacks have MANY issues that is a REACTION to 400 years of oppressive actions against our humanity which manifest in the inferiority of CONDITION and BEHAVIOR. Again, I don’t have a problem pointing out these dysfunctions and saying that black folks aint shit in some of our behavior, because I link this behavior to the actions of this society and culture in its treatment of black people. Call it the mental chains of slavery or whatever…..we got some issues and I be damn if I am not going to point them out….whoever the fock it upsets. Sometimes getting upset lights a fire that needs to be lit.
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Noah, you have become an appallingly off base, out of touch character. It's at the point where you're actually sinking beneath the dignity of debate.


nono Nope Vox, he has become a troll, bringing Obama up in threads where he isn't even mentioned...

Can folks like me have one thread in the Issues and Politics section where this doesn't come up? Oh no, that would be too much like right! Mad


This too is a lie. scroll down this forum page andsee if the evidence substantiates your claim. Its not hard to check. When people resort to lies and embellishment, to try to make a point...its obvious that they don't really have a valid point. There are plenty of post on this forum, the VAST majority of them, where I do not even post a reply. Yet, you chime in making the absurd claim that no one can have a conversation in here without me injecting anti-Obama Opinion. bs



I've unscientifically clicked on way too many 'unrelated to Obama' god-damn threads where you and Marcus X are spamming. Now cut the shit.

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If I talk about economics and have a negative view all of a sudden its anti-OBama. Why.....because Obama has a plan which he says will turn things around. So the fact that my opinion is on the other side of OBama....I am bashing Obama. I am making the same arguments I have made for at least 5 years on this forum. Whats different now is that a black man is president and anything that I say against the Shytsem is born from a hatred of Obama. WRong....its born from a lack of confidence in the Shystem. All of a sudden I am supposed to jump on the bandwagon and become a partiot of the Shytstem because a black man is running it as the figure head? Just like with Tavis Smiley....its not us.....it the crazed and dazed support of OBama that is contorting reality.

You all are simply LYING. I understand that you don't like my opinion or rhetoric, but to have to resort to lies and embellishment does not speak well of you or your real motives. Everyone is free to have a conversation on this blog. There are only a few subject matters that I will participate in and I don't participate in the majority of the topics on this forum. Most of you have way more post than do I and I have been posting on this site for about 7 years.

No....if Obama came out made a profound statement and commitment to help the black condition....this forum's volume of activity would skyrocket, just like it skyrocted in anticipation and excitment over the possibility of his presidency. Now...however, people are no longer excited and subconsiously, if not consciously, a little or a lot dissapointed in what he has done thus far. Hence....this is why people are not posting. There is nothing good to report and they Hyped Obama so much that they are now muted. Then it pisses them off to hear me say...."I told you so" or post an article that caste aspersion on the hype. The TRUTH is that you all are hyper sensitive over OBama. Its not that I am dominating and or disrupting the forum...its that people just don't want to hear the negative about Obama. Now, you can post all day with Negatives about Bush, Republicans...and not be a troll or appalling. No one is sensitive to critism or negativity directed at people that the condemn....however, when its the entities that they worship....then, and only then, do they have a problem with certain behavior.


[rant]When I said PEOPLE LIKE ME, I a referring the Pan Africanist's who think that the leader of ANY capitalist nation is going to do the bidding of the corporate/banking elite... so therefore I really don't give an 'extra' fock about talking about Obama all the god-damn time like you do... and I sure won't go aroud calling the vast majority of our people a bunch of 'Negros' because we disagree politically. That is some self loathing shit. I'm sick of fake ass nationalists bitching about Obama instead of focussing on the shitstem... So why the fock are you posting all this extra bs about Obama in response to ME? Damn spambot...[/rant]

This thread was about Stepin Fetchit Clarence Thomas... Who goes beyond even what the republocrat elite and the conservative image demands of African/Blacks in out-whiting YT... Stop trolling.


Look, I don’t give a fock about what you feel a pan Africanist should be talking about. I too am a Pan Africanist and I don’t remember you being elected arbiter of whom and what we should talk about. I don’t live in every focking Capitalistic nation. I live in this damn one and I am going to talk about this shitstem and the figure heads running it. If that upsets you then too damn bad. If you see shit laying on the side walk, you can choose to step the fock over it or step into it. Aint nobody up in here forcing anyone from side stepping the shit I write and just moving on to the conversation you want to have. Nope, but you crybaby as sissies want to act like I am ruining sh1t for you. How? What gives me that type of power that I can prevent a grown azz man from picking the conversation he wants to have? Mine is not the only response to the threads. Just pick the damn conversation that meets your liking and respond to it and shut the fock up talking that sh1t to me. I am not spamming. I have presented topics on Rape in South Africa, The auto industry, the economy and a host of other topics. In regards to the use of the term Negro, I consider myself a Negro. Malcolm X used the term Negros in referring to “US”. Martin Luther King Jr. Used the word Negro. How the fock you going to try to say the term Negro is denigrating to black people? Do you think Malcolm X was denigrating his people by using the term? Do you think that MLK was denigrating his people by using the term? Get the fock out of here with that stupid azz reasoning.


That's some bullshit and you know it. YOU KNOW Malcolm X and Martin were using the terminology of their time... Which was quite a while ago. You think they would use it today? And Malcolm began to refer to us as Africans in the latter years anyhow. That's the weakest excuse I have ever heard someone attempt to use to castigate his own people with terminology that if used by YT would require an ass whooping. Every Pan Africanist I have ever met, organized with, read, and heard speak uses the term AFRICAN to describe themselves and our people. Only fake ass folk use anything else... I call bullshit when I see it, especially when it's ego trippin disguised as fake militancy. If you don't speak to the masses of our people from a base of love you are full of shit and calling our folks Negro isn't 'love'. BTW, you don't call yourself a Negro... You call yourself an African. I actually used to like reading your posts because of this fact before you jumped on Marcus 3X 'Negro' bandwagon...Change your name to "Noah the Negro"... and maybe you'll have a leg to stand on.

Here is a test for you... Let's use a person who lived passed the 60's... Did Kwame Ture CONTINUE to use the word Negro after SNCC? What about when he was in the BBP? How about the AAPRP... He used to use Negro when he was Martin and Malcolm's contemporary, but after such archaic terminology was tossed into the trash bin of history he left it there where it belonged. Did you miss the Black is beautiful period? 17

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Now, I will admit that I was probably wrong in posting what I said in a thread about Clarence. I should have just started another thread because I was for damn sure going to expose the blatant hypocrisy.


Yes, you were wrong... and don't expect your hypocrisy card not to get pulled...


yeah thanks
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I just read this in the Ive had enough of the African American label thread...

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You should recognize that language is not an exact science. For example, you prefer the term Black, but people are not literally “Black”. Secondly, we live in the America’s, named after Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucci. The America’s is a Continent consisting of North America, Central America and South America. Hence, there is no official country called “America”. The country that we live in is called the United States of America. So Brazilians are Americans, Nicaraguans are Americans and Canadians are Americans. However, from popular usage, most people know that America is used to refer to the United States. In the same way, the term African American is a popular usage that is understood by intelligent people to distinguish a genetic heritage.

I am sure that you have a name….right? Let’s say that your name is Ted Dorkosky. Now, your name serves the purpose not to define you, but to uniquely identify you. In the same way, African American, the term, does not define us, it just uniquely identifies us. Hence, it does not matter whether we were born in African or not. That said, if someone planted the fertilized egg of a black women, fertilized by a black man, into your mothers Ovaries long ago and she gave birth to this child after carrying it for 9 months, it does not make that child your brother biologically. Just because the child was birthed from her womb, does not make that child indigenous to her womb....like you are. In the same way, just because people are born in America, does not make them indigenous American. We are indigenous to Africa. The white guy from South Africa you know is a citizen of an African country, but his phenotype is not indigenous to Africa. He is not African by design but African by birth and citizenship. Now, the Ethiopian is most definitely indigenous to Africa and hence is an African American if currently a citizen of this country.


Noah, why are you contradicting your own argument here in another thread, in multiple ways?

Firstly, in the above you are acknowledging the need to be tied to land of origin, ie. Africa. Yet in this thread you are arguing against the usage of the term Africa because it is not indigenous, and for the term Negro which has no land connection(and is also not indigenous BTW).

Secondly, you are arguing for the term 'African American' which you just referred to as, and I quote...

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The era of the term “African American” is the era of complacency and assimilation.


Thirdly, you mention that people are not literally Black,(alluding to that as a as a reason to not use the term for identity) yet, Negro is nothing but Black in another language...

How can you argue two different and opossing positions about the same thing at the same time? Which is it Noah? Are you just arguing to argue and because your ego makes you incapable of handling a criticism about your behavior(usage of the word Negro to insult folkd with different political views) on the board?

Looking forward to your dance. Warning: The '09 Whirling Dirvish award is up for grabs...


Nope, I was not arguing against the use of the term Africa. I was simply pointing out that ALL the terms we are using to indentify us; NONE are born from the African family of languages. I was trying to make the argument that the no matter what we call ourselves, we are not truly liberated until we use terms born from OUR indigenous language. My goal is OVERSTANDING. As long as the term used allows me to understand the target population set....I don't have a problem with it if it is not used with malice of intent.

What you have to understand is that I am less focused on semantics and literal interpretation. Language is not an exact science. Context and intent are key. If a white person is reading Mark Twain and reads the word Nigger…..I am not going to jump up and whoop his azz. Why? Context and intent. Now, if he was looking at me with anger and or disdain and then called me a Nigger, then I am going to whoop his azz or he is going to get the opportunity to whoop mine. In fact, he can call me Prince Noah, but if he says it within the context of malice and contempt….he likely still has an azz whooping coming.

Anyway, My goal with Ted was to expose the hypocrisy, simply using facts. I was not arguing or advocating any particular use, but rather, defending the usage. Defending is Defensive, advocacy is offensive. I believe that as long as it is understood what group is being referred, I don’t have a problem with whatever term our people use. So you have some fundamental misunderstanding of my position.

Ok…..I see….I am going to do a dance huh? Now…..is NOT that a sign of disrespect? You claim to be a “go by the book Pan African” who does not believe in casting aspersion on other black people, but here you just disrespected my integrity. That’s what you all don’t seem to get. You can disrespect someone without using expletives or terms generally associated with disrespect. When I explain and attempt to clarify my position, to promote understanding, I am Dancing. Ok…you see these sissy azz stealth statements of disrespect is why I go off. I am not going to do a sissy azz disrespect back. Keep that shit up and you will see. If you cannot accept the integrity and honesty of my answer, then don’t pose the question/statement. My intent is not beholden to your interpretation. I have been down this path on this forum before, when dissenters try to hold me TO THEIR INTERPRETATION of what I meant and then use that as a straw man.
Strawman my ass. I've just said all there is to say. You didn't start calling other posters 'Negros' with frequency until AFTER your Obama hangup. Check your own posting record. 'Nuff said.
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Strawman my ass. I've just said all there is to say. You didn't start calling other posters 'Negros' with frequency until AFTER your Obama hangup. Check your own posting record. 'Nuff said.


You have been making a variety of claims that may be motivated by my use of the term Negro but is hardly summarized by my use of the term Negro. Because you are offended by my use of the term, you try tried to discredit my assertions in order to discredit me. You went to another thread posted by Ted, in which I responded, to try to discredit me with seeming contradiction. That was/is your goal….to discredit me. THAT is the strawman. I don’t give a fock about when you think I started using the term…..with frequency. The fact is that I have been using that term for some time. In fact, I used it with my brother Faheem years ago when he coined the phrase “scared to death Negroes”. So the fact that you feel the need to qualify my usage by saying “with frequency” means that you realize that I have used the term longer than your claim that I did not start using it until Marcus X. Maybe Marcus X started using it because I did?

On an unrelated note, you said you used to like reading my post because I used “African” in my alias. I did not mention it at the time, but that reflective of you in its superficiality. You are a “surface thinker”. You don’t think deeply or profoundly. You liked reading my post JUST because I used “African”. I would hope that people who like reading my post, at least in the past before Obama came along, liked reading because of sound reasoning and not because of what I called myself or not because I happen to be defending one of their biases. The fact that you are all caught up in semantics exemplifies your superficiality.

This whole "Negro" thing is just a silly azz obfuscation. The context of my arguments has been socioeconomic racial equality....and what the fock do you Negroes focus on....my use of the term "Negro". If that aint some damn fillibustering for yah I don't know what is. Discredit the Negro who is trying to stand up for Negroes and defend the One Negro who aint (Obama). GTFOOH! This is ALL about people being upset with the critisim of Obama. Hence, the strategy is to find anything to discredit me in order to discredit my critisim of Obama. That is transparent as the wind.

Here we have Negro Pan Africanist who is essentially upset that am being critical of the leader of a Shitsthem/Babylon that Pan Africans recognize has been counter productive to black peoples. This same damn Negro Pan African sit back and did not say Jack Sh1t when the shitsthem was headed by Bush and to condemn it using the name of Bush....Oh no...but when the sthitsthem of babylon is headed by Obama...all of a sudden he is upset for the shitsthem being attacked under the name of OBama. You should have been equally upset with people Attacking Bush as you are with People attacking OBama...but you are not....
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Not for nothing, but a historical search of Noah's use of the term negro(es) as a pejorative is exactly as O.A. has indicated. Although Noah first uttered the term on April 9, 2003 at 07:09 PM.] his usage was in defense of Black people.

Here, on March 17, 2004 Noah uses the term, in defense of Black folks, as the conservatives use it [notice how much their usage differs from your original usage of the term, but is exactly how you currently use the term].

Here is the first time Noah used the term toward an AA.org member [as a perjorative]. Notice he is using the term to ridicule a Black conservative [ConFeed].

Up until the primary season [i.e., Obama's coming on the scene] Noah's usage of the term filled less than 2 search pages [and was mostly directed externally, i.e., "those white wanted negroes to ..."; however, Noah's first "Y'all Negroes" posts began on February 1, 2008 in an argument for why Black folks shouldn't support an Obama run for the presidency.

And from there Noah went on to spiral down the intellectual drain, as evidenced by 14 subsequent pages of "Y'all/Yaw negro" posts directed toward AA.org members as a perjorative ... Again, the seminal [apparent triggering] event, as O.A. correctly identified was Noah's "Obama hangup."

On a side note, the process of conducting the above historical search has allowed me to witness a very sad de-evolution of a Black mind from a clear love for Black folks to a having contempt for anyone/everyone that disagrees with him. Sad ... so very, very sad.
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Not for nothing, but a historical search of Noah's use of the term negro(es) as a pejorative is exactly as O.A. has indicated. Although Noah first uttered the term on April 9, 2003 at 07:09 PM.] his usage was in defense of Black people.

Here, on March 17, 2004 Noah uses the term, in defense of Black folks, as the conservatives use it [notice how much their usage differs from your original usage of the term, but is exactly how you currently use the term].

Here is the first time Noah used the term toward an AA.org member [as a perjorative]. Notice he is using the term to ridicule a Black conservative [ConFeed].

Up until the primary season [i.e., Obama's coming on the scene] Noah's usage of the term filled less than 2 search pages [and was mostly directed externally, i.e., "those white wanted negroes to ..."; however, Noah's first "Y'all Negroes" posts began on February 1, 2008 in an argument for why Black folks shouldn't support an Obama run for the presidency.

And from there Noah went on to spiral down the intellectual drain, as evidenced by 14 subsequent pages of "Y'all/Yaw negro" posts directed toward AA.org members as a perjorative ... Again, the seminal [apparent triggering] event, as O.A. correctly identified was Noah's "Obama hangup."

On a side note, the process of conducting the above historical search has allowed me to witness a very sad de-evolution of a Black mind from a clear love for Black folks to a having contempt for anyone/everyone that disagrees with him. Sad ... so very, very sad.


This is so absurd that it is pathetic. So let me get this straight. If I use the term Negro in the context of a debate where I am castigating policies of conservatives…..the term is NOT a pejorative. However, if I use the term in a debate where I am castigating liberal policies or individuals, then my use IS a pejorative. Hence, whether the term is a pejorative or not DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT OFFENDS THE READER. Kweli is establishing the president that the term, in and of itself, is not a pejorative. He established this when he characterized my use of the term Negro, to DEFEND black people. Hence, if indeed the term Negro is a pejorative, then it’s contradictory to say that I used it in defense of black people. Moreover, he is obviously establishing that I was DEFENDING BLACK PEOPLE as the CONTEXT of my usage. So Kwile has actually presented information establishing president and pattern. He has established that I used the term IN DEFENSE OF BLACK PEOPLE. Hence, if I was DEFENDING black people and use the term NEGRO, which refers to a race that we belong to, then obviously it establishes that my INTENT was not pejorative.

How did kweli glean INTENT from my supposed FIRST usage of the term? He gleaned INTENT from the fact that I was Defending Black people, but more importantly, because we were ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. In other words, Kweli was not upset with the conclusions. Hence, my use of Negro was not a pejorative, because a term cannot be a pejorative UNLESS IT OFFENDS. Kweli was not offended by me attacking conservatives, despite me using the term Negro. So this establishes an important point. The point is that whether one sees the use as a pejorative or not depends on whether they are in agreement with you or disagreement with you. II can say Negro all day every day, as long as I am bashing whites, conservatives or Negroes like Clarence Thomas. When I do that, then I as seen as DEFENDING BLACK PEOPLE. However, as soon as I use Negro in the context of attacking Democratic Policies, the Democratic Party or black liberals, and more importantly, OBAMA, then the context of my arguments becomes hurtful to the readers and hence Negro becomes a pejorative because the readers don’t like what I am saying. So the key here seems to be whether one is in agreement with my general argument or not. If they agree with it, then Negro is not a pejorative but if they disagree it becomes a pejorative. That, my Negro friends, is hypocrisy.

That said, I am defending black people now. I keep talking about 40 million black people and socioeconomic inequality that needs to be addressed and reconciled. To me, that is defending black people. Defending ONE black person, in Obama, is not defending black people. Obviously in the case of Clarence Thomas it clearly establishes that just because someone is black that they will be positive for the collective of black peoples. In fact, my theme has been consistently in defense of black people. The ONLY thing that has changed is the appearance of Obama. I see Obama as a NET LOSS for the collective of 40 million African Americans. Hence, I defend black people by pointing out things about Obama’s actions and inactions. So I am continuing my Defense of Black people….AS ALWAYS. That puts me at odds with most of the people on this forum and hence turns my opinions into pejoratives. Let me say that again. My OPINION is a pejorative because it offends Obama supporters.


All that said, it is as I said. I have not just started using the term Negro and I don’t use it as a pejorative. Now, it indeed may have the EFFECT of a pejorative if someone is offended by what I am saying or by the word itself, however, how you interpret something has no bearing on the proof of my intent.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Not for nothing, but a historical search of Noah's use of the term negro(es) as a pejorative is exactly as O.A. has indicated. Although Noah first uttered the term on April 9, 2003 at 07:09 PM.] his usage was in defense of Black people.

Here, on March 17, 2004 Noah uses the term, in defense of Black folks, as the conservatives use it [notice how much their usage differs from your original usage of the term, but is exactly how you currently use the term].

Here is the first time Noah used the term toward an AA.org member [as a perjorative]. Notice he is using the term to ridicule a Black conservative [ConFeed].

Up until the primary season [i.e., Obama's coming on the scene] Noah's usage of the term filled less than 2 search pages [and was mostly directed externally, i.e., "those white wanted negroes to ..."; however, Noah's first "Y'all Negroes" posts began on February 1, 2008 in an argument for why Black folks shouldn't support an Obama run for the presidency.

And from there Noah went on to spiral down the intellectual drain, as evidenced by 14 subsequent pages of "Y'all/Yaw negro" posts directed toward AA.org members as a perjorative ... Again, the seminal [apparent triggering] event, as O.A. correctly identified was Noah's "Obama hangup."

On a side note, the process of conducting the above historical search has allowed me to witness a very sad de-evolution of a Black mind from a clear love for Black folks to a having contempt for anyone/everyone that disagrees with him. Sad ... so very, very sad.


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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by *Muhammad Cipher*:
As soon as I saw 8-1, sadly I knew who the decenting opinion.


When a conservative white man is on your side more than another black man......all I can is you know that brotha is all kinds of effed up.


What is up EP? Man...you ain't never lied....but some negroes like CF will leap over a racist to prove they are more self-hating than the racist is towards their own kind.....it is like they have something to prove.....but in reality they are self-loathing and want to transfer their personal misery/afflictions to others......
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What we are supposed to not criticize a house nigger because he is not or does not look half white?


Good point. It is absurd and borders on the door step of super dumb if anyone attempts to ideologically compare Obama to Thomas.

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Are we supposed to see Barack Obama as somehow not one of us because he is half white.


Only to those whose caustic Tar Baby politics and cynicism have blinded them to reality and the common sense God gave a dog. His having a white parent has no bearing nor impact with his ability to think and function as a black man. Think not? Then let’s start with Walter White and Frederick Douglas……

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In America, any Black in you makes you Black if white people know that you have any in you. So, Barack Obama is just as much African American as any of us, including Clarence Thomas.


Ya got that right. I’ve found these nefarious and ridiculous arguments about Obama’s racial identity to be laughable, meaningless and pointless at the same time. Obama is a black man and he is an American. EVERY ONE IN THE WORLD REALIZES THIS EXCEPT DISGRUNTLED, CONFUSED AND MISGUIDED TOXIC AMERICAN NEGROES. E’nuff said…….

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Either you do not fully understand African American concept of a house nigger or you are just arguing points, just for the fun of debate. That weak right wing/republican definition of what WE consider a house nigger is not it.


Clarence Thomas is the darling and beloved poster boy of white conservatives. He has shamelessly embraced the most openly indifferent and hostile anti-black elements of white conservatism. Everything this man (Thomas) stands for is echo of their whims and desires. Obama is nowhere close to the patronizing and white conservative errand boy fever demonstrated by Thomas. Besides, the same white conservatives who hold Clarence Thomas, Larry Elders, Armstrong Williams, Shelby Steele, Rev Jessie Lee Peterson (a clinically psychotic Negrophobe) and Thomas Sowell in high esteem -are mortal enemies of Obama. Like their eager counterparts (the Negro haters), white conservatives are in high gear, aggressively churning out one diatribe after another, bleating negative accusations and attempting to cast doubt and undermined the public faith in Obama, on a daily basis -even though the man has been POTUS for barely six months! WTF..??!!

And why would or should I align myself with hostile forces against the first black president? Now, I do not believe Obama is above criticism nor do I believe any harsh analysis of his administration should be censored. But I do find the racial carping to be obnoxious and disingenuous. It serves no real purpose. Don’t like his position on foreign policy? Fine. Don’t like his bail outs of banks and the automotive industry? Fine. Don’t like his health care initiatives? Fine. Those are legitimate concerns. But I’ve found the race baiting, name calling and fraudulent racial accusations to be without substance or merit.
Man….what planet have you people lived on and whose history have you been studying? Sure, laws reflected a one drop rule so if just got off the slave ship or if you were the 1% black, the LAWS applied equally against you (unless you could pass). However, in practice, there was no more loathed and feared individual in America than the big black Negro male. Hell, were the hell do you all think that light skinned preference came from in the black community? It came from the dominant culture. I get sick of hearing people say this stuff because it is blatantly false.

The reason that I pointed out the race of Obama is in noting that Clarence represents a closer microcosm of black America than does Obama. The average African American does not have a white mother a Kenyan father nor were they raised by white Grand Parents in "hard nock life" Hawaii. Thus, my point being that to diss Clarence Thomas is more a betrayal of the culture and experience of descendants of slaves than it is to diss Clarence Thomas.

Hell, you can go to any racist white forum and here them credit anything positive they see in Obama to his white side, probably the same way they would link athletic prowess of a mixed race person to their black side. Some of you really do not understand how white supremacy works. A mixed black is superior to a pure black in their eyes because that is the doctrine of white supremacy. Although a mixed black is superior to a pure black the mixed black is still inferior to the pure white and hence is to be discriminated against as a black.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
Man….what planet have you people lived on and whose history have you been studying? Sure, laws reflected a one drop rule so if just got off the slave ship or if you were the 1% black, the LAWS applied equally against you (unless you could pass). However, in practice, there was no more loathed and feared individual in America than the big black Negro male. Hell, were the hell do you all think that light skinned preference came from in the black community? It came from the dominant culture. I get sick of hearing people say this stuff because it is blatantly false.

The reason that I pointed out the race of Obama is in noting that Clarence represents a closer microcosm of black America than does Obama. The average African American does not have a white mother a Kenyan father nor were they raised by white Grand Parents in "hard nock life" Hawaii. Thus, my point being that to diss Clarence Thomas is more a betrayal of the culture and experience of descendants of slaves than it is to diss Clarence Thomas.

Hell, you can go to any racist white forum and here them credit anything positive they see in Obama to his white side, probably the same way they would link athletic prowess of a mixed race person to their black side. Some of you really do not understand how white supremacy works. A mixed black is superior to a pure black in their eyes because that is the doctrine of white supremacy. Although a mixed black is superior to a pure black the mixed black is still inferior to the pure white and hence is to be discriminated against as a black.



**Noah....that whole post is written from the premise that black people really give a schit what the inbreds think about us.....puleeze.....do you think any of us ever expect the descendants of plantation owners to evaluate black people from an objective perspective? I think not broham....I think not....
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
Man….what planet have you people lived on and whose history have you been studying? Sure, laws reflected a one drop rule so if just got off the slave ship or if you were the 1% black, the LAWS applied equally against you (unless you could pass). However, in practice, there was no more loathed and feared individual in America than the big black Negro male. Hell, were the hell do you all think that light skinned preference came from in the black community? It came from the dominant culture. I get sick of hearing people say this stuff because it is blatantly false.

The reason that I pointed out the race of Obama is in noting that Clarence represents a closer microcosm of black America than does Obama. The average African American does not have a white mother a Kenyan father nor were they raised by white Grand Parents in "hard nock life" Hawaii. Thus, my point being that to diss Clarence Thomas is more a betrayal of the culture and experience of descendants of slaves than it is to diss Clarence Thomas.

Hell, you can go to any racist white forum and here them credit anything positive they see in Obama to his white side, probably the same way they would link athletic prowess of a mixed race person to their black side. Some of you really do not understand how white supremacy works. A mixed black is superior to a pure black in their eyes because that is the doctrine of white supremacy. Although a mixed black is superior to a pure black the mixed black is still inferior to the pure white and hence is to be discriminated against as a black.



**Noah....that whole post is written from the premise that black people really give a schit what the inbreds think about us.....puleeze.....do you think any of us ever expect the descendants of plantation owners to evaluate black people from an objective perspective? I think not broham....I think not....


That was never my point. However, what white people think about us greatly impacts us, whether we don’t care what they think of us or not. Personally, I always value knowing my enemy.
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The reason that I pointed out the race of Obama is in noting that Clarence represents a closer microcosm of black America than does Obama. The average African American does not have a white mother a Kenyan father nor were they raised by white Grand Parents in "hard nock life" Hawaii. Thus, my point being that to diss Clarence Thomas is more a betrayal of the culture and experience of descendants of slaves than it is to diss Clarence Thomas.

Not even. We did not turn our backs on Clarence, he turned his back on us, if there is a betrayal, it is him who betrayed, not us. And, Obama, culturally speaking, had not one, but two outs of being black, as he has a white parent and an African parent who is not anywhere near American. But his choice was to embrace us, not as 'a people' but as 'his people'.
We as a people, have an open door policy, don't disrespect us and you can pretty much get in. The door was open for Obama and he came in. It is open for Clarence as well, but not only will he not have anything to do with us, he actively works to our detriment.

Step back for a minute. Look at how any black people have access to Obama. Then compare that with how many black people have access to Clarence 'Unca' Thomas. The blackest thing about him is the fat, ugly white woman he married.

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
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Originally posted by Empty Purnata:
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Originally posted by *Muhammad Cipher*:
As soon as I saw 8-1, sadly I knew who the decenting opinion.


When a conservative white man is on your side more than another black man......all I can is you know that brotha is all kinds of effed up.


What is up EP? Man...you ain't never lied....but some negroes like CF will leap over a racist to prove they are more self-hating than the racist is towards their own kind.....it is like they have something to prove.....but in reality they are self-loathing and want to transfer their personal misery/afflictions to others......


Hey, what's up man? His Royal House Negroness Uncle Thomas is at it again and this time he's back with a vengeance and on a roll. He recently made the vote in favor of the white firefighters at New Haven. I don't know all the details of the case but from what I heard the test was thrown out because it wasn't certified properly first. But since they're white Uncle Thomas is automatically on their side.

Death is going after all the wrong people. Got Bernie Mac, Isaac Hayes, Ed McMahon, Farah Fawcett, Michael Jackson (I'm still bummed about that Frown), Billy Mays, etc. but left old motherfuckers like Clarence Thomas, Dick Cheney (he done had 4 or 5 heart attacks), Karl Rove, etc. alive and kicking.

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