Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!

I would really be interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tyler Perry in general. I must confess that I have only seen one Tyler Perry product, Madea's Family Reunion, and that was under duress. I had real problems with what I perceived to be less than one dimensional caricatures of African Americans. I have refrained from watching anything else associated with Perry's name. I realize that his work is popular, but that does not necessarily mean that it is good. Am I missing something?
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!


Yup the buzz is it's a good movie and as for the Oscar thingy Blacks only win the Academy Award for playing thugs, hoodlums, ne'er-do-wells, hookers and whores. Denzel has an impressive resume of distinguished roles but yet and still he won the award for playing a murderous crooked cop.

P.S. I'm looking forward to seeing Jill Scott in this movie and the upcoming "#1 Women Detective Agency" where she'll play the role of a female South African (I think)detective. Jill is my cutie----I like a sistah with a little heftiness on dem bones. To this day I don't know what the NAACP's criteria is for giving awards for family-oriented and/or Black relationship movies!
Tyler Perry has the African-American Christian locked up. Of all of the plays that used to run on the Chitlin' circuit, he had the most successful. But I think that there is also a strong desire in the our community to see movies about ourselves other than comedies. This movie had comedic elements, but that doesn't make it a comedy. I wish that the movie industry would stop calling our lifestyle or drama movies comedies. If there is a serious movie about black life, there is no 'box' for it because most big shots in the industry can't relate to serious black life. yea it was off topic, but....well what are your thoughts kresge?
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Originally posted by kresge:
I would really be interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tyler Perry in general. I must confess that I have only seen one Tyler Perry product, Madea's Family Reunion, and that was under duress. I had real problems with what I perceived to be less than one dimensional caricatures of African Americans. I have refrained from watching anything else associated with Perry's name. I realize that his work is popular, but that does not necessarily mean that it is good. Am I missing something?


"Under duress," as u put it, I actually saw "Why Did I Get Married" this weekend. I hated it; I was like, "Why Did I Go See This Garbage."

It was the first Tyler Perry product I had seen, and if as disgusted with it as I could've been, it was because my expectations were extremely low.

These are the 21 Century version of the Blaxploitation movies. In the 70s, what was being exploited, or pandered to, was our hunger to see ourselves in "powerful black man" roles, and to see ourselves physically beating the crap out of "the man." Today it's a little different, but we still have a certain hunger to see ourselves in certain kinds of roles, and, like in the 1970s, that hunger is still so severe that many of us devour the product, without exercising any kind of discernment whatsoever in terms of the quality of the product we're looking at.

Some of the pandering elements in this movie were just absurd. I'm sure this was a masterpiece compared to the bits and pieces I've seen of the Madea movies, but I'm not giving him a pass just because he's a black filmmaker putting out movies with positive messages and positive characters. Let's keep those messages, but how about being like Spike Lee and lay off the insult to our intelligence in the process.
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!


Yup the buzz is it's a good movie and as for the Oscar thingy Blacks only win the Academy Award for playing thugs, hoodlums, ne'er-do-wells, hookers and whores. Denzel has an impressive resume of distinguished roles but yet and still he won the award for playing a murderous crooked cop.

P.S. I'm looking forward to seeing Jill Scott in this movie and the upcoming "#1 Women Detective Agency" where she'll play the role of a female South African (I think)detective. Jill is my cutie----I like a sistah with a little heftiness on dem bones. To this day I don't know what the NAACP's criteria is for giving awards for family-oriented and/or Black relationship movies!


Maybe Tyler Perry's future movies will have "Oscar buzzes," if they become a little more dramatic.

I agree with you zodo to an extent with the Oscars. Not every black Oscar winner played a thuggish role. Sidney Poitier didn't play a thug in "Lillies of the Field." Jamie Foxx won as Ray Charles in "Ray." I know that Ray Charles wasn't a thug nor a ne'er do-well. He was shrewd businessman and gifted legendary singer/musician, and his role was positive.

Denzel wasn't the first guy to win an Oscar for a playing a villain, and he won't be the last. As many corrupt cops are in the LAPD, NYPD, and nationwide, it's way too late and too long to get upset about Denzel winning Best Oscar playing a crooked cop in "Training Day." Even after the stuff that happened with Sean Bell, Louima and Diallo, we can no longer pretend that there's NO corrupt cops in America...white, black or otherwise.

Forest Whitaker won earlier this year playing Idi Amin for "The Last King of Scotland." Idi Amin was a real person. And he was a villain, a dictator. There are as many villains in this world, fictional and real, as there are heroes in this world. And nobody will never appreciate a hero, unless there's a villain around to test him or her.

How can any of us honestly get upset about the roles that we win or get nominated in the Academy Awards, when the number one show watched in black households last year was "Flavor of Love?" If we don't support movies or TV shows that are positive, why should we be surprised that there aren't enough of them on the TV or movie screens, when we barely watch them at all, if ever?

It's just like voting, you can't complain if you don't support/participate.
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Originally posted by kresge:
I would really be interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tyler Perry in general. I must confess that I have only seen one Tyler Perry product, Madea's Family Reunion, and that was under duress. I had real problems with what I perceived to be less than one dimensional caricatures of African Americans. I have refrained from watching anything else associated with Perry's name. I realize that his work is popular, but that does not necessarily mean that it is good. Am I missing something?


I happen to like Tyler Perry! Smile And I like him much more personally than I do his movies/plays. So far the only one of his productions that I've liked all the way through was "Diary of a Mad Black Woman" and I enjoyed a lot of "Daddy's Little Girls" too.

However, the couple of his plays I've seen and the other movies always leave me ... a little unsatisfied, i guess I would say. Its hard to find a comedy that is truly "funny" to me .. and his are no exception. sck

However, I agree with what Yemaya has said about him. He comes from a highly Christian-value side of things and that is reflected in everything he does. But, I respect him highly for being a Black man with a vision/dream and making it come true. I respect him for staying true to his values .. even if I find them a little offbeat. He is a Black man in it for Black people .. and gives a lot of Black actors who would otherwise not be working a job. He highlights the excellence of Black talent in all of his works ... and has not gained his success by selling his soul to the Devil! Eek

I have been hearing his name mentioned in the same breath with the word "Oscar" and, though I haven't seen this movie, from the one's I've seen, I don't really think his works are ready for that (but then again, they gave those awards to Halle and Denzel for roles that were not worthy, so, maybe talent and not substance is the criteria for which they are given out! Eek).

But, if there is an award for personal character and integrity ... I think Tyler should receive it ... he has certainly exhibited more than a lot of other Black actors/producers .. and gives back to his people. And I think that's commendable! Smile
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by kresge:
I would really be interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tyler Perry in general. I must confess that I have only seen one Tyler Perry product, Madea's Family Reunion, and that was under duress. I had real problems with what I perceived to be less than one dimensional caricatures of African Americans. I have refrained from watching anything else associated with Perry's name. I realize that his work is popular, but that does not necessarily mean that it is good. Am I missing something?


"Under duress," as u put it, I actually saw "Why Did I Get Married" this weekend. I hated it; I was like, "Why Did I Go See This Garbage."

It was the first Tyler Perry product I had seen, and if as disgusted with it as I could've been, it was because my expectations were extremely low.

These are the 21 Century version of the Blaxploitation movies. In the 70s, what was being exploited, or pandered to, was our hunger to see ourselves in "powerful black man" roles, and to see ourselves physically beating the crap out of "the man." Today it's a little different, but we still have a certain hunger to see ourselves in certain kinds of roles, and, like in the 1970s, that hunger is still so severe that many of us devour the product, without exercising any kind of discernment whatsoever in terms of the quality of the product we're looking at.

Some of the pandering elements in this movie were just absurd. I'm sure this was a masterpiece compared to the bits and pieces I've seen of the Madea movies, but I'm not giving him a pass just because he's a black filmmaker putting out movies with positive messages and positive characters. Let's keep those messages, but how about being like Spike Lee and lay off the insult to our intelligence in the process.


appl appl appl @ Vox & Kresge,

I don't like Tyler Perry's stuff personally. I find it mind numbing. And I just can never get comfortable with a brother dressed up as a sister particularly for the purpose of comedic mocking. All my female friends don't understand why. Everything I have seen has been 'under duress'(from them) also.

I keep expecting to see him jump with his arms streched out, wearing white gloves, singing 'mammy'!.
I like Tyler Perry and plan to see "Why Did I Get Married" this afternoon (today).

Any brother trying to be positive in his message will get my support. There are plenty of white producers/actors/etc. . .who are not even as good as Tyler but they get accolades undeservingly so.

I'll always 'back' the BROTHER giving him the benefit of the doubt reserve for my PEOPLE. He has come this far on his own NOT somebody's white son or relative.
And we all know hollywood is a tough business and even more so for black people.

T. Perry may need to fine-tune his work but what artist/writer/actor/producer doesn't?

I'm gonna support...or better yet 'BACK BLACK', period. tfro

Well, within reason. 4
I saw it Saturday night, and thought it was a nice, "feel good" movie.

Jill Scott actually stole the movie, IMO. She showed more range as an actress than I thought she had. Janet Jackson was ok (but fine to watch, as were some of the other actresses.)

The storyline was somewhat predictable, but it had several comical, enjoyable, and uplifting moments.

I'll likely add it to the DVD collection when it comes out.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by kresge:
I would really be interested in hearing people's thoughts about Tyler Perry in general. I must confess that I have only seen one Tyler Perry product, Madea's Family Reunion, and that was under duress. I had real problems with what I perceived to be less than one dimensional caricatures of African Americans. I have refrained from watching anything else associated with Perry's name. I realize that his work is popular, but that does not necessarily mean that it is good. Am I missing something?


"Under duress," as u put it, I actually saw "Why Did I Get Married" this weekend. I hated it; I was like, "Why Did I Go See This Garbage."

It was the first Tyler Perry product I had seen, and if as disgusted with it as I could've been, it was because my expectations were extremely low.

These are the 21 Century version of the Blaxploitation movies. In the 70s, what was being exploited, or pandered to, was our hunger to see ourselves in "powerful black man" roles, and to see ourselves physically beating the crap out of "the man." Today it's a little different, but we still have a certain hunger to see ourselves in certain kinds of roles, and, like in the 1970s, that hunger is still so severe that many of us devour the product, without exercising any kind of discernment whatsoever in terms of the quality of the product we're looking at.

Some of the pandering elements in this movie were just absurd. I'm sure this was a masterpiece compared to the bits and pieces I've seen of the Madea movies, but I'm not giving him a pass just because he's a black filmmaker putting out movies with positive messages and positive characters. Let's keep those messages, but how about being like Spike Lee and lay off the insult to our intelligence in the process.


appl appl appl @ Vox & Kresge,

I don't like Tyler Perry's stuff personally. I find it mind numbing. And I just can never get comfortable with a brother dressed up as a sister particularly for the purpose of comedic mocking. All my female friends don't understand why. Everything I have seen has been 'under duress'(from them) also.

I keep expecting to see him jump with his arms streched out, wearing white gloves, singing 'mammy'!.



yeah I haven't seen it... but I'll wait for it to come out on video... I've never "got" him or his stuff either.... what I have seen "Diary of a Mad Black Woman" had a good message that was overshadowed by bufoonery and overly simplistic messages about a very real complex topic...
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Originally posted by TruthSeeker:
I saw it Saturday night, and thought it was a nice, "feel good" movie.

Jill Scott actually stole the movie, IMO. She showed more range as an actress than I thought she had. Janet Jackson was ok (but fine to watch, as were some of the other actresses.)

The storyline was somewhat predictable, but it had several comical, enjoyable, and uplifting moments.

I'll likely add it to the DVD collection when it comes out.


I'm leaving to go see it in an hour. . .thanks for the heads up. tfro

I'm always happy to see so many BLACK ACTORS on the big screen and who else provides that?

Usually, whenever there's a black person in the leading role, the supporting character or LOVE INTEREST is always 'white' or hispanic or asian.

As far as I'm concerned, T. Perry gets kudos from me for simply showing BLACK LOVE (sorta speak). . .

. . .in other words, black people with BLACK PARTNERS or BLACK LOVE INTERESTS or a BLACK FAMILY.

If other people can do better than what Tyler is doing, I'd like to see them try.

Or maybe send him a script or something. . .

He seems like an open-minded kinda guy. Smile
Yeah, I also saw WDIGM over the weekend and it was just okay to me.

As far is it even being anywhere near Oscar-Worthy, hell no.

The movie wasn't bad, it just wasn't memorable to me, and what I do remember is Jill Scott's smile and her performance, as well as Tasha Smith's.

They made it very entertaining. Everyone else seemed to be plodding through their lines.

And as far as TP's plays, the only thing I liked was the music. I love hearing the sonic performances and talented and powerful singers.. primarily the voices of David and Tamela Mann.. especially Tamela.
Saw the movie last night. It was better than I expected. I believe Jill Scott had the best performance. Tash Smith's performance was incredible. The only problem I had was all those single, fine sistas in the movie theater. Unbelievable! I'm in a committed relationship. But after see what I saw last night, I think I don't want to get married.
I thought it was very entertaining and OMG! All those FINE brothers on the big screen was almost more than I could bear. lol j/k

I thought Tyler Perry did a decent enough job and Jill Scott gave a moving performance, imo.

I wasn't too happy with Janet Jackson's performance, though, she seemed fake and seemed to overact, again, imo. Ah well. She wasn't bad, just 'fake,' well, to me.

All in all, it was worth the price of the ticket and I plan to buy the DVD when it comes out.

Parts of it was VERY funny. lol

just an observation. . .

I noticed couples were hugging as they exited the theatre. . .don't know if the movie had anything to do with this BUT! just about all the couples I saw were giving each other a hug.
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
I thought it was very entertaining and OMG! All those FINE brothers on the big screen was almost more than I could bear. lol j/k

I thought Tyler Perry did a decent enough job and Jill Scott gave a moving performance, imo.

I wasn't too happy with Janet Jackson's performance, though, she seemed fake and seemed to overact, again, imo. Ah well. She wasn't bad, just 'fake,' well, to me.

All in all, it was worth the price of the ticket and I plan to buy the DVD when it comes out.

Parts of it was VERY funny. lol


I agree with what you said about Janet's performance, Fab. She didn't appear to be into her role. Perhaps it has something to do with her family problems.
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Originally posted by Dissident:
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
I thought it was very entertaining and OMG! All those FINE brothers on the big screen was almost more than I could bear. lol j/k

I thought Tyler Perry did a decent enough job and Jill Scott gave a moving performance, imo.

I wasn't too happy with Janet Jackson's performance, though, she seemed fake and seemed to overact, again, imo. Ah well. She wasn't bad, just 'fake,' well, to me.

All in all, it was worth the price of the ticket and I plan to buy the DVD when it comes out.

Parts of it was VERY funny. lol


I agree with what you said about Janet's performance, Fab. She didn't appear to be into her role. Perhaps it has something to do with her family problems.


You may be right about the family problems but dang, she could've done a better job.

Then there were times she simply looked too much like her brother Michael to be believable.

And all the plastic surgery that comes with his 'look'. lol
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Originally posted by Dissident:
I agree with what you said about Janet's performance, Fab. She didn't appear to be into her role. Perhaps it has something to do with her family problems.


Not to be rude or anything ... but, when has Janet ever acted into her "role"?? Confused Even as Penny on Good Times, her performance seemed strained! Eek
Janet did OK in Poetic Justice, ER. No? But her acting in the Nutty Professor II was too bland for my taste. As far as her part on Good Times I'll give her a pass since she was just getting started at the time. But it's safe to assume Tyler Perry only put Janet in his movie because of here name and not because of her 'acting' abilities. Most movies need a recognizable name to feature in a film. I don't see any other reason why Janet would be in this movie other than that very reason.
Okay ... I can give you "OK" for Poetic Justice ... only because it has probably been her best performance ever! Big Grin Razz

And, I think name recognition might have had something to do with it (although his name is pretty popular in itself) but also ... as I alluded to before, I'm thinking Tyler just wanted to give a non-working 'actress' a job! Eek I wouldn't be surprised if he put out a casting call ... and she answered it ... and it was mutually beneficial to both parties.
Thanks for the link on the indie flick, Dissident. Honestly, Janet's acting was very lackluster and uninspiring. I enjoyed the movie because there were a bunch of black folks there interacting with the film. That always makes movies like that better. The right audience!
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler
with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!


Yup the buzz is it's a good movie and as for the Oscar thingy Blacks only win the Academy Award for playing thugs, hoodlums, ne'er-do-wells, hookers and whores. Denzel has an impressive resume of distinguished roles but yet and still he won the award for playing a murderous crooked cop.

P.S. I'm looking forward to seeing Jill Scott in this movie and the upcoming "#1 Women Detective Agency" where she'll play the role of a female South African (I think)detective. Jill is my cutie----I like a sistah with a little heftiness on dem bones. To this day I don't know what the NAACP's criteria is for giving awards for family-oriented and/or Black relationship movies!


Maybe Tyler Perry's future movies will have "Oscar buzzes," if they become a little more dramatic.

I agree with you zodo to an extent with the Oscars. Not every black Oscar winner played a thuggish role. Sidney Poitier didn't play a thug in "Lillies of the Field." Jamie Foxx won as Ray Charles in "Ray." I know that Ray Charles wasn't a thug nor a ne'er do-well. He was shrewd businessman and gifted legendary singer/musician, and his role was positive.

Denzel wasn't the first guy to win an Oscar for a playing a villain, and he won't be the last. As many corrupt cops are in the LAPD, NYPD, and nationwide, it's way too late and too long to get upset about Denzel winning Best Oscar playing a crooked cop in "Training Day." Even after the stuff that happened with Sean Bell, Louima and Diallo, we can no longer pretend that there's NO corrupt cops in America...white, black or otherwise.

Forest Whitaker won earlier this year playing Idi Amin for "The Last King of Scotland." Idi Amin was a real person. And he was a villain, a dictator. There are as many villains in this world, fictional and real, as there are heroes in this world. And nobody will never appreciate a hero, unless there's a villain around to test him or her.

How can any of us honestly get upset about the roles that we win or get nominated in the Academy Awards, when the number one show watched in black households last year was "Flavor of Love?" If we don't support movies or TV shows that are positive, why should we be surprised that there aren't enough of them on the TV or movie screens, when we barely watch them at all, if ever?

It's just like voting, you can't complain if you don't support/participate.


Huey, there are numerous slices of Black life in the USA we encompass multiple life-styles and multi-anythings. My contention is that the negatives within our community are replayed on screen like a scratched record. Tyler Perry's films are a breath of fresh air. I like most his films like "Diary of a Mad Black Woman" and "Daddie's Little Girls" which are pure family fare. I wish more Black film makers( and Hollywood too) could produce movies like "Finding Forrester", "Drumline" and "Antwone Fisher" .
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler
with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!


Yup the buzz is it's a good movie and as for the Oscar thingy Blacks only win the Academy Award for playing thugs, hoodlums, ne'er-do-wells, hookers and whores. Denzel has an impressive resume of distinguished roles but yet and still he won the award for playing a murderous crooked cop.

P.S. I'm looking forward to seeing Jill Scott in this movie and the upcoming "#1 Women Detective Agency" where she'll play the role of a female South African (I think)detective. Jill is my cutie----I like a sistah with a little heftiness on dem bones. To this day I don't know what the NAACP's criteria is for giving awards for family-oriented and/or Black relationship movies!


Maybe Tyler Perry's future movies will have "Oscar buzzes," if they become a little more dramatic.

I agree with you zodo to an extent with the Oscars. Not every black Oscar winner played a thuggish role. Sidney Poitier didn't play a thug in "Lillies of the Field." Jamie Foxx won as Ray Charles in "Ray." I know that Ray Charles wasn't a thug nor a ne'er do-well. He was shrewd businessman and gifted legendary singer/musician, and his role was positive.

Denzel wasn't the first guy to win an Oscar for a playing a villain, and he won't be the last. As many corrupt cops are in the LAPD, NYPD, and nationwide, it's way too late and too long to get upset about Denzel winning Best Oscar playing a crooked cop in "Training Day." Even after the stuff that happened with Sean Bell, Louima and Diallo, we can no longer pretend that there's NO corrupt cops in America...white, black or otherwise.

Forest Whitaker won earlier this year playing Idi Amin for "The Last King of Scotland." Idi Amin was a real person. And he was a villain, a dictator. There are as many villains in this world, fictional and real, as there are heroes in this world. And nobody will never appreciate a hero, unless there's a villain around to test him or her.

How can any of us honestly get upset about the roles that we win or get nominated in the Academy Awards, when the number one show watched in black households last year was "Flavor of Love?" If we don't support movies or TV shows that are positive, why should we be surprised that there aren't enough of them on the TV or movie screens, when we barely watch them at all, if ever?

It's just like voting, you can't complain if you don't support/participate.


Huey, there are numerous slices of Black life in the USA we encompass multiple life-styles and multi-anythings. My contention is that the negatives within our community are replayed on screen like a scratched record. Tyler Perry's films are a breath of fresh air. I like most his films like "Diary of a Mad Black Woman" and "Daddie's Little Girls" which are pure family fare. I wish more Black film makers( and Hollywood too) could produce movies like "Finding Forrester", "Drumline" and "Antwone Fisher" .


Zodo, I'm not disagreeing with you. hug Granted, the Tyler Perry movies are a breath of fresh air. They're good, but they're not great, not yet. If he can make a movie where there's not a hint of Madea, they can have the potential to have Oscar buzz.

And I'm glad that you added "Antwone Fisher," because that was such a moving film. I dare anyone to see that film and not get a lump in your throat.

I know some black folks that aren't fans of Tyler Perry's films or plays. I'm not a hardcore fan myself, but I'll pick his films over a "Big Momma's House" any day.
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Huey:
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Originally posted by zodo:
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry racked in $21.5 million this weekend with his movie "Why Did I Get Married". Tyler Perry has had a pretty successful run so far in the movie business. But why don't you hear terms like 'oscar buzz' associated with him? And where is his NAACP awards? I could be wrong on the NAACP thing, but really Tyler
with the help of the black community, especially sisters is kicking some serious butt!


Yup the buzz is it's a good movie and as for the Oscar thingy Blacks only win the Academy Award for playing thugs, hoodlums, ne'er-do-wells, hookers and whores. Denzel has an impressive resume of distinguished roles but yet and still he won the award for playing a murderous crooked cop.

P.S. I'm looking forward to seeing Jill Scott in this movie and the upcoming "#1 Women Detective Agency" where she'll play the role of a female South African (I think)detective. Jill is my cutie----I like a sistah with a little heftiness on dem bones. To this day I don't know what the NAACP's criteria is for giving awards for family-oriented and/or Black relationship movies!


Maybe Tyler Perry's future movies will have "Oscar buzzes," if they become a little more dramatic.

I agree with you zodo to an extent with the Oscars. Not every black Oscar winner played a thuggish role. Sidney Poitier didn't play a thug in "Lillies of the Field." Jamie Foxx won as Ray Charles in "Ray." I know that Ray Charles wasn't a thug nor a ne'er do-well. He was shrewd businessman and gifted legendary singer/musician, and his role was positive.

Denzel wasn't the first guy to win an Oscar for a playing a villain, and he won't be the last. As many corrupt cops are in the LAPD, NYPD, and nationwide, it's way too late and too long to get upset about Denzel winning Best Oscar playing a crooked cop in "Training Day." Even after the stuff that happened with Sean Bell, Louima and Diallo, we can no longer pretend that there's NO corrupt cops in America...white, black or otherwise.

Forest Whitaker won earlier this year playing Idi Amin for "The Last King of Scotland." Idi Amin was a real person. And he was a villain, a dictator. There are as many villains in this world, fictional and real, as there are heroes in this world. And nobody will never appreciate a hero, unless there's a villain around to test him or her.

How can any of us honestly get upset about the roles that we win or get nominated in the Academy Awards, when the number one show watched in black households last year was "Flavor of Love?" If we don't support movies or TV shows that are positive, why should we be surprised that there aren't enough of them on the TV or movie screens, when we barely watch them at all, if ever?

It's just like voting, you can't complain if you don't support/participate.


Huey, there are numerous slices of Black life in the USA we encompass multiple life-styles and multi-anythings. My contention is that the negatives within our community are replayed on screen like a scratched record. Tyler Perry's films are a breath of fresh air. I like most his films like "Diary of a Mad Black Woman" and "Daddie's Little Girls" which are pure family fare. I wish more Black film makers( and Hollywood too) could produce movies like "Finding Forrester", "Drumline" and "Antwone Fisher" .


Zodo, I'm not disagreeing with you. hug Granted, the Tyler Perry movies are a breath of fresh air. They're good, but they're not great, not yet. If he can make a movie where there's not a hint of Madea, they can have the potential to have Oscar buzz.

And I'm glad that you added "Antwone Fisher," because that was such a moving film. I dare anyone to see that film and not get a lump in your throat.

I know some black folks that aren't fans of Tyler Perry's films or plays. I'm not a hardcore fan myself, but I'll pick his films over a "Big Momma's House" any day.



tfro Big Grin
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry has the African-American Christian locked up. Of all of the plays that used to run on the Chitlin' circuit, he had the most successful. But I think that there is also a strong desire in the our community to see movies about ourselves other than comedies.


I'll only say this. I'm part of the African-American Christian circuit and I have serious concerns about the imagery in Tyler Perry films/plays. I've enjoyed the singing in a couple, but can't overlook the stereotypes and lack of genuinely positive roles in the plays. I'd love to see a serious drama about us, some comedies that don't lampoon us, an action film that doesn't criminalize us. There are surely enough of us asking for them to insure a market for them. I won't be seeing Why Did I Get Married after reading a few reviews about the immorality and unfortunate imagery the film conveys, even if there is a redemptive message thrown in down the line. That's just my opinion.
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Originally posted by Mothawizdm:
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Originally posted by Yemaya:
Tyler Perry has the African-American Christian locked up. Of all of the plays that used to run on the Chitlin' circuit, he had the most successful. But I think that there is also a strong desire in the our community to see movies about ourselves other than comedies.


I'll only say this. I'm part of the African-American Christian circuit and I have serious concerns about the imagery in Tyler Perry films/plays. I've enjoyed the singing in a couple, but can't overlook the stereotypes and lack of genuinely positive roles in the plays. I'd love to see a serious drama about us, some comedies that don't lampoon us, an action film that doesn't criminalize us. There are surely enough of us asking for them to insure a market for them. I won't be seeing Why Did I Get Married after reading a few reviews about the immorality and unfortunate imagery the film conveys, even if there is a redemptive message thrown in down the line. That's just my opinion.


Well, I went to the movie and the only thing that I saw were human beings acting like human beings and facing the trials that come up in marriages everyday. Eventually working through those trials. So I don't see where the immorality from the movie comes in to play. Also I am curious about the reviews that discuss the 'immorality and unfortunate imagery' of this film? Please post links or cite the sources for those film reviews. Thanks Motherwizdm.
All and all I thought it was a pretty good film.
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Originally posted by Yemaya:

Well, I went to the movie and the only thing that I saw were human beings acting like human beings and facing the trials that come up in marriages everyday. Eventually working through those trials. So I don't see where the immorality from the movie comes in to play. Also I am curious about the reviews that discuss the 'immorality and unfortunate imagery' of this film?


I thought the film was mind-numbing, vacuous nonsense, but otherwise I totally agree with Yemaya: where was the immorality and negative imagery? That was the only positive thing about it, was that these weren't a bunch of buffoons, thugs, and sambos. Just human beings with good qualities and some frailties that they were trying to work out. Where was the "immorality" being glorified? Confused
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Originally posted by Vox:
I thought the film was mind-numbing, vacuous nonsense, but otherwise I totally agree with Yemaya: where was the immorality and negative imagery? That was the only positive thing about it, was that these weren't a bunch of buffoons, thugs, and sambos. Just human beings with good qualities and some frailties that they were trying to work out. Where was the "immorality" being glorified? Confused


What exactly made the film "mind numbing, vacuous nonsense?"

I got from your earlier post that you don't care for TP's work, but beyond all that, especially in light of your post above, what made this film so bad?
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Originally posted by TruthSeeker:
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Originally posted by Vox:
I thought the film was mind-numbing, vacuous nonsense, but otherwise I totally agree with Yemaya: where was the immorality and negative imagery? That was the only positive thing about it, was that these weren't a bunch of buffoons, thugs, and sambos. Just human beings with good qualities and some frailties that they were trying to work out. Where was the "immorality" being glorified? Confused


What exactly made the film "mind numbing, vacuous nonsense?"

I got from your earlier post that you don't care for TP's work, but beyond all that, especially in light of your post above, what made this film so bad?


I hate to get into it, because I'm sure I'm gonna sound snobbish. But basically, almost everything that happened in that movie seemed designed intentionally to elicit a certain emotional response from a viewer who either lacks interest in exercising some discernment or who doesn't know how to. For example, you saw scenes that were designed to make you go, "Gasp! Oh, that's so terrible! The airline made Jill Scott get off the plane because she's too fat, and her husband stayed on the flight with his girlfriend and told her to drive instead! Oh, goodness, that's so mean of him! Poor Jill! She should leave him and find somebody better! You need to build your self-esteem, girl!" Never mind how absurd the whole scene was, and how absurd it was that she actually did drive.

Scenes with that kind of goofy pandering played out through the whole movie, and on a couple of occasions I noticed a couple of filmic emphasis techniques (I studied a bit of this in college) that led me to believe that it was intent, and not just lack of talent, that led Tyler Perry to do some of this. It was just so transparent and vacuous. I don't expect a lot of agreement from people, but you asked, so I answered.
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Originally posted by Vox:
I hate to get into it, because I'm sure I'm gonna sound snobbish. But basically, almost everything that happened in that movie seemed designed intentionally to elicit a certain emotional response from a viewer who either lacks interest in exercising some discernment or who doesn't know how to. Scenes designed to make you go, "Gasp! Oh, that's so terrible! The airline made Jill Scott get off the plane because she's too fat, and her husband stayed on the flight with his girlfriend and told her to drive instead! Oh, goodness, that's so mean of him! Poor Jill! She should leave him and find somebody better! You need to build your self-esteem, girl!" Never mind how absurd the whole scene was, and how absurd it was that she actually did drive.

Scenes with that kind of goofy pandering played out through the whole movie, and on a couple of occasions I noticed a couple of filmic emphasis techniques (I studied a bit of this in college) that led me to believe that it was intent, and not just lack of talent, that led Tyler Perry to do some of this. It was just so transparent and vacuous. I don't expect a lot of agreement from people, but you asked, so I answered.



yeah

At the risk of sounding like a snob too ... Eek


Yes. It sounds like there was intent ... and that Tyler Perry is not lacking in * skill * ...

... but * talent * can do better. In fact, it strives to do better.


Taking my snobbish behind back on out of here. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Vox:
Scenes with that kind of goofy pandering played out through the whole movie, and on a couple of occasions I noticed a couple of filmic emphasis techniques (I studied a bit of this in college) that led me to believe that it was intent, and not just lack of talent, that led Tyler Perry to do some of this. It was just so transparent and vacuous. I don't expect a lot of agreement from people, but you asked, so I answered.


THANK YOU!

TP is not a newbie to story writing and when I saw that airplane scene, and the subsequent scene with her driving down the highway, praying, mouthing "I'm going to save my marriage..." peering down the highway and over the horizon, I'm saying to myself, "TP, c'mon bruh.. this is about some cheesy shit right here!"

Then I thought about the lack of accountability..and then that is what pisses me the fuck off!! Mad

All of the people in my circle of friends are married, (Except yours truly...the only divorcee) and have been for a long time and THERE. IS. NO. WAY. IN. HELL.. that any of my homeboys (or their wives) would gloss over the cruel treatment of any of the women in my circle of friends like these sorry assed people did!

These are "supposedly" all best friends since college (the transitory period where you form many of your lifelong friendships) and you mean to tell me that ain't nobody got the balls to get in this fools face and MAKE HIM (not suggest) him take his mistress back home???!!!

Pure cheese. Limburger cheese at that!
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Originally posted by Vox:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TruthSeeker:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vox:
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Scenes with that kind of goofy pandering played out through the whole movie, and on a couple of occasions I noticed a couple of filmic emphasis techniques (I studied a bit of this in college) that led me to believe that it was intent, and not just lack of talent, that led Tyler Perry to do some of this. It was just so transparent and vacuous. I don't expect a lot of agreement from people, but you asked, so I answered.


~I agree with you, Vox. Some scenes, like the one on the plane, were a tad over the top and therefore not realistic at all. Fellow citizens aren't quite THAT bad, that NO ONE in the immediate vicinity (the seats in front of, behind, across the aisle) would speak up about the rude policy. SOMEBODY around would have *gasped* just as we in the audience did, I'm sure. I would hope so anyway.

And how about the scene on the train. Waaaaaay over the top! But, I guess there's a method to T.P.'s madness. LOL! Anybody in the watching audience even REMOTELY like that woman in their real lives would HAVE to have been squirming in their collective theatre seats, not to mention hiding their toes! I suppose by being cheesey, he makes sure he doesn't go over anyone's head (like the very impressionable young).

But, aside from being dumbed down like that, I really enjoyed it. I knew I wasn't going to the art house to see an indie film, so I wasn't disappointed. I love his plays, too. He really knows who's watching and I just think that he's very skilled at keeping that in mind when he goes "cheese".

There were LOTS of points made that would make great threads on the Dating Forum!

- Do you tell if you find out that your friends mate is cheating on him/her?

- Men, do any of you find BBW attractive. Are you able to concentrate on their personality?

- Women, do you emasculate your men by using your money
against them?

- Women, do you loudtalk/overtalk your men?

- Men, do you overly criticize your mates flaws? Do you step to others when they do the same to her?

-Women do you ever use sex as a weapon?

-How long have you (men/women) gone without sex in one stretch?

-Do you pray?

-Guys, do you really talk like that when you are together (get up close and personal with each others' business the way that women do with each other)?


-Regarding professional ethics (not to mention being close friends), do you keep secrets that have the potential to cause physical harm?

-If you are friends with a couple, how do you pick which one to be the most loyal to? It's probably guy to guy and girl to girl, right?

etc., etc.... a waterwell of issues! Eek Let me stop! I'm getting carried away! LOL!
Hmmm ... I can see the cheesy thing! Big Grin But, I think that that's just Tyler's way. His films/plays are very intent on delivering a message .. usally one of the Christian ones, (i.e., "Thou shall not ...whatever"), so I think he goes a little over the top sometimes just to drive the point home. To me, I don't consider that great filmmaking. (I used to feel the same way about Spike Lee movies and would pay to go to one of them with somebody else's money! Eek But, some people probably get something out of movies like that.


@Vox ... And as absurd as it may have seemed that a man would disrespect his wife with his mistress in that manner ... AND ... that a wife would not go that length in that way in order to keep her no-good, disrespecting man and save her marriage .... I'm not so sure that isn't real life for a lot more people than you would imagine! Eek

You'd be surprised what couple will put each other through. sck
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Originally posted by Vox:
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Originally posted by TruthSeeker:
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Originally posted by Vox:
I thought the film was mind-numbing, vacuous nonsense, but otherwise I totally agree with Yemaya: where was the immorality and negative imagery? That was the only positive thing about it, was that these weren't a bunch of buffoons, thugs, and sambos. Just human beings with good qualities and some frailties that they were trying to work out. Where was the "immorality" being glorified? Confused


What exactly made the film "mind numbing, vacuous nonsense?"

I got from your earlier post that you don't care for TP's work, but beyond all that, especially in light of your post above, what made this film so bad?


I hate to get into it, because I'm sure I'm gonna sound snobbish. But basically, almost everything that happened in that movie seemed designed intentionally to elicit a certain emotional response from a viewer who either lacks interest in exercising some discernment or who doesn't know how to. For example, you saw scenes that were designed to make you go, "Gasp! Oh, that's so terrible! The airline made Jill Scott get off the plane because she's too fat, and her husband stayed on the flight with his girlfriend and told her to drive instead! Oh, goodness, that's so mean of him! Poor Jill! She should leave him and find somebody better! You need to build your self-esteem, girl!" Never mind how absurd the whole scene was, and how absurd it was that she actually did drive.

Scenes with that kind of goofy pandering played out through the whole movie, and on a couple of occasions I noticed a couple of filmic emphasis techniques (I studied a bit of this in college) that led me to believe that it was intent, and not just lack of talent, that led Tyler Perry to do some of this. It was just so transparent and vacuous. I don't expect a lot of agreement from people, but you asked, so I answered.


But Vox, the reason I love the movie is that I personally believe that the movie portrayed real characters out there in the world particularly in the case of Jill Scott's character in relation to her husband....the problem is that we probably seen it happen or know someone who is or has been through such experiences but yet just watched....verbal abuse in relationships is real and it just saddens me that it is so blown off nowadays. I seen it happen in my parents and for that reason, I have learned to be a better man by not being my dad.
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Originally posted by folobatuyi:

But Vox, the reason I love the movie is that I personally believe that the movie portrayed real characters out there in the world particularly in the case of Jill Scott's character in relation to her husband....the problem is that we probably seen it happen or know someone who is or has been through such experiences but yet just watched....verbal abuse in relationships is real and it just saddens me that it is so blown off nowadays. I seen it happen in my parents and for that reason, I have learned to be a better man by not being my dad.


That's a pretty good insight on why people would like it, and I appreciate that... But I've seen the same kinds of experiences in real life. For me personally, I would just like to have seen it done a little less cheesily... Well, a LOT less cheesily. For me it's the same with music, when there's a song about a topic I care about, but the song itself is not well written or put together. And as you might expect, it's a case of different strokes for different folks. Luckily for TP, a whole lot of different folks are feeling what he's doing...

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