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Originally posted by Fabulous:
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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So what do you suggest that we do?

I'm referring to those of us who want to 'do' something before it's too late? OR, are you suggesting it IS 'already' too late?


I have been talking about a recommended reading list for I don't know how long. I spent 4 months trying to get a Black librarian to get a book about electronics in stock.

http://destee.com/forums/showp...p=505484&postcount=9

http://africanamerica.org/eve/...911078853#4911078853

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I wasn't aware of your reading list but I 'will' check it out.

Thanks tfro


OK, I"m back and I have a question. . .

Which book do you suggest I read 'first'?
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OK, I"m back and I have a question. . .

Which book do you suggest I read 'first'?


Are you expecting me to be decisive?
I Refuse. lol

I have no idea where your head is at in general interest or what you are in the mood for so I'll give you four.

1. Rule by Secrecy by Jim Marrs (history-politics)
http://www.paraview.com/marrs/index.htm

The last 2 chapters get too weird even for me.

8. The Screwing of the Average Man by David Hapgood (economics)
http://www.amazon.com/screwing...apgood/dp/B0006W84KK

That book altered my entire perspective of economics.

19. The Games People Play by Berne MD (psychology)
http://www.ericberne.com/trans...ysis_description.htm

The psychiatric profession seems to have buried that information.

28. Black Men: Single, Obsolete, Dangerous by Haki Madhubuti
http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/browse.php?id=6

Your question brings up something interesting about the last book. He has a reading list of about 350 books. At a book a week that is almost SEVEN YEARS of reading and there is no clue as to what might be more important. What I found really strange was separating the books by Black and non-Black authors. It would never have occurred to me to do that. I would have done it by fiction/non-fiction.

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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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OK, I"m back and I have a question. . .

Which book do you suggest I read 'first'?


Are you expecting me to be decisive?
I Refuse. lol

I have no idea where your head is at in general interest or what you are in the mood for so I'll give you four.

1. Rule by Secrecy by Jim Marrs (history-politics)
http://www.paraview.com/marrs/index.htm

The last 2 chapters get too weird even for me.

8. The Screwing of the Average Man by David Hapgood (economics)
http://www.amazon.com/screwing...apgood/dp/B0006W84KK

That book altered my entire perspective of economics.

19. The Games People Play by Berne MD (psychology)
http://www.ericberne.com/trans...ysis_description.htm

The psychiatric profession seems to have buried that information.

28. Black Men: Single, Obsolete, Dangerous by Haki Madhubuti
http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/browse.php?id=6

Your question brings up something interesting about the last book. He has a reading list of about 350 books. At a book a week that is almost SEVEN YEARS of reading and there is no clue as to what might be more important. What I found really strange was separating the books by Black and non-Black authors. It would never have occurred to me to do that. I would have done it by fiction/non-fiction.

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I appreciate your input Smile

but the reason for my question is. . .

I'm interested in reading something related to the topic at hand. In other words, which book applies to this thread topic?
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I appreciate your input graemlin:Smile but the reason for my question is. . .I'm interested in reading something related to the topic at hand. In other words, which book applies to this thread topic?


Then you have to chose between #8 and #28.

Although #8 is about economics though I recall nothing in it specifically about Black people. Since #28 is about Black men it has to involve economics by default but he doesn't focus on that enough. In that list of 350 books he put together only about 3 books involve economics and none about technology. Economics without technology in 2008 or even in 1991 is a joke.

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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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I appreciate your input graemlin:Smile but the reason for my question is. . .I'm interested in reading something related to the topic at hand. In other words, which book applies to this thread topic?


Then you have to chose between #8 and #28.

Although #8 is about economics though I recall nothing in it specifically about Black people. Since #28 is about Black men it has to involve economics by default but he doesn't focus on that enough. In that list of 350 books he put together only about 3 books involve economics and none about technology. Economics without technology in 2008 or even in 1991 is a joke.

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Greenwood is a neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As one of the most successful and wealthiest African American communities in the United Stated during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street" until the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. The riot was one of the most devastating race riots in history and it destroyed the once thriving Greenwood community. Greenwood is still being rebuilt today because of the destruction over 80 years ago.


Last night I was listening to a great show on BlogTalk Radio that discussed the history of blacks in Milwaukee with Dr. Ivory Abena Black. You know how they got rid of the black community there. First they were redlined, then the city stopped servicing the community with public works and then they opted to build an interstate highway right through the community displacing tens of thousands of black people.
If whites don't displace blacks through violence, they use the government to do it. This is their system. below is a link to the show if anyone would care to listen.
Queen Ifama, Truth Terrorist
I believe that this more slick way of dispersing the black community was done in various cities around the nation. The outright violent approach was the earlier approach. After the Civil Rights Movement this was the way things began to be done.


Didn't the Riots of Tulsa, OK and Rosewood and elsewhere had many black victims because of state and/or federal laws, made it illegal for blacks to own handguns, thus making it difficult to defend themselves against the KKK?
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:

Then you have to chose between #8 and #28.

Although #8 is about economics though I recall nothing in it specifically about Black people. Since #28 is about Black men it has to involve economics by default but he doesn't focus on that enough. In that list of 350 books he put together only about 3 books involve economics and none about technology. Economics without technology in 2008 or even in 1991 is a joke.

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I confess I have read quite a few books but almost never do I agree completely with any of them. I think a book that I agree with 60% is pretty damn good but even one that I only agree with 10% might have some really important information.

Most books I have seen on Black economics usually boil down to doing a better job of imitating Honkynomics. I don't recall ever seeing a book about Black economics that said anything about planned obsolescence. So as far as I am concerned they are ALL WRONG!!!

I haven't seen anything about suggesting that accounting be mandatory for ALL BLACK KIDS either. Most Black business men I have met don't seem to want Black consumers to have it really on the ball either. We put too much effort into competing with each other.

I just saw video about the OLPC in Nigeria.

http://video.google.com/videop...-7242425422174872586

At the very beginning he is talks about giving the children a chance to "compete with the rest of the world". Like you are supposed to learn in order to compete. Curiosity is irrelevant of course.

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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:

Then you have to chose between #8 and #28.

Although #8 is about economics though I recall nothing in it specifically about Black people. Since #28 is about Black men it has to involve economics by default but he doesn't focus on that enough. In that list of 350 books he put together only about 3 books involve economics and none about technology. Economics without technology in 2008 or even in 1991 is a joke.

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I confess I have read quite a few books but almost never do I agree completely with any of them. I think a book that I agree with 60% is pretty damn good but even one that I only agree with 10% might have some really important information.

Most books I have seen on Black economics usually boil down to doing a better job of imitating Honkynomics. I don't recall ever seeing a book about Black economics that said anything about planned obsolescence. So as far as I am concerned they are ALL WRONG!!!

I haven't seen anything about suggesting that accounting be mandatory for ALL BLACK KIDS either. Most Black business men I have met don't seem to want Black consumers to have it really on the ball either. We put too much effort into competing with each other.

You make a good point (above highlighted). And that way of thinking is detrimental to our progress as a group/race.

I just saw video about the OLPC in Nigeria.

http://video.google.com/videop...-7242425422174872586

At the very beginning he is talks about giving the children a chance to "compete with the rest of the world". Like you are supposed to learn in order to compete. Curiosity is irrelevant of course.

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I'm listening to the video as we speak (sorta speak) 3
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
@LieDecrypter. . .

I was talking to my younger brother the other day about some of what I've read in your thread thus far (he has also seen the videos you posted). . .

he's all fired up but I had to laugh when he said, "we need to start our own organization with people who think like we do, who want to see black people progress as a group" (or something to that effect)

Hey, he's my youngest brother. . .he usually pays attention when he's trying to hit on one of my friends. (I'm kidding, sort of) 4

Anyway, I wasn't laughing because I thought what he said was funny, I laughed because I had a 'link' to share with him. 3

I'm sure I speak for others (who are also open to this discussion & the information) when I say. . .

the time you have put into this thread/topic is much appreciated. tfro



Your younger brother sounds like the kind of young positive soldier that we need as a people...I remember that phase being all fired up ready to take on the world (it's still there only more refined now) I realized as I matured in my knowledge and understanding that Black folk are going to need to be motived as a WHOLE through conditions and not just their will to change.

Sure there will always be small factions and elements within the race that are ready,willing and able to make real change. However, we can't do it without the full cooperation of our brothers and sisters so we need to give them time to get up to speed. Once more of us discover once and for all what the TRUTH is then they will be ripe for change. Until then I will keep making my contribution to help reach out to those who will listen NOW before their life depends on it.

I hope your brother will develop this concept as well. Tell him I said keep up the good work and that he should stay strong even in the face of opposition...With our people you are fighting against hundreds of years of ingrained miseducation so they will put up fierce resistance at first.... even though you are right...You need only to look at my first thread on this topic for proof of this.
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by Raptor:
Like I said in the immigration mexican thread, if 'we' do and work for that which is in our interest, we are [called] nationalist, reverse-racist, militants and that other bullcrap. Letting psy-ops compromise where we need and can go as a community.

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I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.


This reminds me of a conversation I had regarding multiculturalism in the class. I said to and individual that I was against it, strongly even, because it meant somebody's cultured was gonna get short changed. Who's culture is first to get a 'raw deal'?

I later told the individual that I am however, for one becoming a multiculturalist. That is, to study different cultures individually.



Raptor, I think you are correct in that being 'multi-cultural' in ones pursuits should be regulated only to personal studies and individual growth. I personally enjoy learning about other culture's I think it makes for a well rounded person. However, for a group of people to put 'multi-culturalism' above their own rational self interest is suicide.

Speaking of the whole Black/Latino "alliance" thing by the way. There was a point in time that Blacks (when we were the majority minority) could have extracted some kind of benefit by dealing with Latino's.

What's different now than in the past is that Blacks are now being BOXED IN slowly but SURELY into a FORCED state coopertive survival whether they know it or not. Blacks have reached a CRITICAL MASS in their spiritual and socio-economic existence in this country. Let me break this down to you... there are FUNDAMENTAL changes that are going to take place in this country over the next 10-20 years that will render blacks a PERMANENT underclass... and nothing less than blacks doing a COMPLETE 180 and cutting out all the B.S. and or DIVINE INTERVENTION will prevent this.

Why would I say such a HARSH thing? lets look at the facts...Since we were brought here Blacks have "enjoyed" for lack of a better term the status as the MAJOR minority. In the past this has worked for us because we were the loudest voice complaining so the white power structure had to at least toss us a few crumbs to get us to shut up. Now the loudest voice complaining has a SPANISH accent so the white power base is more inclined to toss THEM those crumbs previously designated for blacks and they GLADLY eat it up with a side of salsa.

The so called "black leaders" are in part to blame for this to and they have their hand in the "salsa bowl" also. Because these idiots have sold the LIE to blacks that hispanics are our "Latino brothers and sisters" and somehow our destinys are linked but NOTHING could be further from the TRUTH. Latinos see Blacks for the most part as a COMPETITOR that must be REPLACED this is their agenda. All of their organizations from street gangs to the "National Council of La Raza" (for those who don't know "La Raza" means the RACE and you can bet your last money they aint talking about black folk) are COMMITED to this.

To a large degree they have been successful with this already by shifting the national debate. When was the last time you saw a national forum discussing "Black issues"? Now it's ALL about "immigration reform". Hispanics and Asians are projected to DOUBLE their populations in this country over the next 10-20 years. One cannot and must not underestimate the negative implications that this has for the already struggling Black community in this country.

The reason I say these things is because it is the HARSH truth and out of tough LOVE for my people. We can ill afford SUGAR COATING at this juncture. So unlike the past Blacks can no longer take the easy way out and they MUST start FINALLY acting like a SINGLE and UNIFIED race and cut out all this "I'm just gonna do me" nonsense. You see my friend the party is already OVER but blacks are still just dancing around to the music left in their brain.


black folk are not paying attention to what's right in front of them. instead, we are forever trying to 'fit in' to be accepted by the masses.

Too many of us are of the mind-set, "It's not about race". .

when... in fact ...it IS about 'race'.

What a sad legacy to leave for black children: permanent underclass. Frown

I don't want this for my child OR black children, period. This is why I keep checking this thread.

because every video you post or words of wisdom/knowledge & insight, I am passing along to my peeps.




I'm glad you are passing on info to those you care about thats why I do this... you never know who you might touch...it all goes back to that old saying "each one teach one"....

By the way what you are describing in your first statement is the psychosis that seems to be unique to Blacks which says that since Blacks have been so brutalized by racial discrimination somehow the onus is on us to move beyond race. No other group of people takes the position that if THEY have been the ones mistreated that it's THEIR responsibility to reconcile it. When the 'Jews' suffered the 'Holocaust" for example they didn't feel the need or inclination to rationalize and minimize the Nazis actions. They embraced their victimhood and owned it and used it to extract a considerable amount of compensation not just from the country that victimized them i.e. Germany but also the U.S.

They have no shame whatsoever in playing up the whole TWELVE YEARS that they were victimized under the Nazis and juicing it for all it's worth and then some. Meanwhile, Blacks haven't received even a FRACTION of the compensation that they have after nearly FOUR HUNDRED years. Then you even have those so called 'conservative' type Blacks (Just what it is that they want to conserve I have no idea) who want to sweep the past four hundred years under the rug like they're ashamed or embarassed or something.

As I said though the 'Jews' feel no such shame in claiming and owning their victimization and they have benefitted GREATLY because of it. They have not only benefitted as a group but also as individuals with countless romanticized stories of being 'Holocaust survivors" whether real or fake (as Oprah just recently found out). In fact with so many stories that have come out about those who SURVIVED the Holocaust it makes me wonder who actually DIED.
Originally posted by Liedecrypter
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As I said though the [/b]'Jews'[/b] feel no such shame in claiming and owning their victimization and they have benefitted GREATLY because of it. They have not only benefitted as a group but also as individuals with countless romanticized stories of being 'Holocaust survivors" whether real or fake (as Oprah just recently found out). In fact with so many stories that have come out about those who SURVIVED the Holocaust it makes me wonder who actually DIED.



fro They have played this CARD too death. Distracting the current events of those whose cultures are actually being exterminated as we speak. They are NOT the only victims of human wrongdoings....it continues to happen. Just look to the right......look to the left....it's everywhere. The Amerindians could tell their heartwrenching stories as well about the woes of genocide by the hands of the European.

Personally, I have grown numb to their [Jews] story. Maybe cuz history shows they were slavetraders of Africans too. And when it came back on them-payback is a mutha [or...whatever goes around, comes around]....they continue to CRY like a baby. I'm not moved....or impressed...but! That's just me. fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
fro I totally agree Brotha LD. This "I'm gonna do me" is destroying our culture. I remember growing up how everyone watched over each other's children. Couldn't do nothing as a kid. If I smoked a cigeratte in the alley with my friends....by the time I got home everyone on my block including my mother knew about it.

I'm just an optimist when it comes to my people...and looking at our history and what we have accomplished with NOTHING...I just feel with this newer generation of youth it just got to turn around....but! We have soooooooooooo many social hangups...from being colorstroked to being jealous/envious [with each other] regarding the most stupid things[and unfortunately we are passing this nonsense onto our unsuspecting children].....we desperately need to get over this. I know our potential and is why I work HARD with children [the ones no one wants] to keep reminding them of our excellence.

A lot of blackfolks, though, DO NOT WANT to do the work necessary to make this happen. They want to rest on their laurels[and talk about it]....and almost like a video....watch it unfold instantly without liftng a voice or finger. Many have been LAZY in thought and action. And priorities are soooooooo ridiculous/twisted. We need to get BACK to the basic of being "BLACK" first. And know what it means. Many either have forgotten or pretending to be something they are NOT!

So. I hear ya. And hopefully through this media and other commuication measures we can send out the message: Time is NOW...cuz NEVER will be forever......for us and our descendents. Great topic Brotha LD.tfro fro



Koco, your commentary here reminds me of a disscussion I once had with another member along these lines...They tried to suggest that I was overlooking the practical things that Blacks could do now to help the situation. I revealed that they were incorrect and I never got a proper response.... so I will repost it here just to higlight the point that you made.....

*Note* that ironically your name came up in that conversation in order to prove a point so don't be alarmed when you read it.....

what other member says is numbered....

1."Even under our present circumstances, it doesn't take anything for African Americans to pursue long-term relationships, preferrably healthy marriages and community-supported families, rather than a series of sex-centered recreational relationships in order to secure finanical prosperity and a stable life for our children."

My replies are in bold....

This is true but you are overlooking some very key reality's that currently act as a stumbling block to this....In fact it's ironic that you made this statement because I was just thinking long and hard about this very subject the other day and I realized something. This current society's entire social structure in not conducive to building and maintaining a strong Black family unit...Think about it when were Black families at the height of our INTEGRITY and STRENGTH? The answer is during periods that we were the most SEPARATED from extraneous negative influences this is no coincidence. The confilicting messages of "rugged individualism" and the pursuit of "integration" have DEVASTATED the notion of a "community" among Blacks. In fact integration which has been a goal for Blacks for over 40 years and is actually the antithesis of group unity and solidarity... because it fragments Blacks into different socio-economic enclaves that work counter to any goals that would help the group as a whole.

The fall-out of all this with regard to our interpersonal relationships has been equally devastating...Case and point you don't really have many places to go where Blacks are exclusively able to interact and build common community bonds.

Even our churches are divided... in some Black cities you have 2 or 3 different churches per BLOCK. When it comes to dating where do most Blacks go by the way?... to "da club" this reinforces those "sex-centered recreational relationships" that you bemoaned. In fact our women actually energize and perpetuate this by competing with each other on who has the best "freak um" dress...but of course you know all about this judging by this exchange below that you once had with Kocolicious...(love her name by the way)

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C'mon on now Sister Koco, don't even tell me that you don't a have a couple of freak um' dresses in your closet. EVERY woman owns at least ONE freak um' dress for those times when she needs to make up to her man for something. I keeps a form-fitting freak um' dress in my closet. I'm telling you, girl, a pump and a bump goes a loooong way in the mind of man. All I gotta do is put my freak um' dress on and all is forgiven. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=Big Grin"


Now I ask you how can we as Black men truly take the proper leadership back in our community in a society like this when we even have to contend with the reality that our own women are taking a page from the white woman's book of "sexual manipulation" in order to try to control us... as evidenced by your aforementioned statement?

2."It doesn't take anything for us to be more health conscious and to at least, gradually, adopt much less fattening diets, a preventative health care plan, and plans for long-term health."

That sounds all fine and dandy sista but how practical is it really for a lot of Blacks who survive on shoe string budgets to feed their families always with the most healthy food and provide them a "preventative health care plan"? Often times many Black families are a victim of circumstance due to a lack of transportation and are forced to shop at local Convenience stores and eat at restaurant's that provide very little in the way of proper nutrition.

Unless these types of issues are addressed for the Black community and resources allocated to it SPECIFICALLY instead of always being broadened to include all other minority groups... who in fact actually control the conduits of food and other necessities that enter THEIR communties.... the status quo will NOT change.


3."It doesn't take anything for us to be attentive to the personal, psychological, and physical development of our children"

Once again sista that sounds wonderful....and I am indeed a proponet of parents taking FULL responsibilty for the rearing of their children. However, considering the often quoted but never implemented adage "it's takes a village to raise a child" how will this effectively be done based on the fact that there is no unified Black village in this country as illustrated above?

Parents are very important in the rearing of children however it does not stop with them WE are responsible for all the children in our community not just the ones that we conceived. There used to be a time in the Black community that if a child acted up that ANY adult had the right to chastize that child and the parents sided with the ADULT. Now because of the many wedges that have been placed to divide the community the parents side with their CHILD whether right or wrong. The larger white society (from whence Blacks now get their social cues from) enforces this by either removing the child from the home under the label of "abuse" or punishing the adult by locking them up.


4."At present, these are PRACTICAL ways that we can ensure Black autonomy and self sufficiency. These are realistic and PRACTICAL ways that we can combat racism."

Clearly this statement is incorrect for the reasons I exposed above...if anything you have it backwards and you are putting the carriage before the horse...you cannot have any of your stated goal without FIRST having "Black autonomy and self sufficiency" and I can't think of a better way to combat racism than that.

5."Instead of waiting for utopia to eventually happen, let's start developing good habits of mind now. Let us put into practice, NOW, the acts of responsibility and values that we want the of children of TODAY to possess now and in the future instead of fantasizing about what we wish and hope things will be like once we obtain an independent society."

Obviously, you don't fully understand the gravity of our situation...when I speak of Black independence I'm not reffering to some obscure pipe dream. I talking about a practical and neccessary different way of living vital to our very SURVIVAL. In case you haven't noticed this current society is teetering on the brink of an economic collapse that will no doubt have a severe impact on the already struggling Black community. Unless we get our act together and start looking out for OURSELVES as a PEOPLE instead of just keeping the faith in YT's broken system we are DOOMED point blank period....is that practical enough for you?
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

In case you haven't noticed this current society is teetering on the brink of an economic collapse that will no doubt have a severe impact on the already struggling Black community. Unless we get our act together and start looking out for OURSELVES as a PEOPLE instead of just keeping the faith in YT's broken system we are DOOMED point blank period....[/b]



Generally speaking, there's quite a bit of psychological resistance or psychological denial around this, accepting that the system, which is comforting to some, is not everlasting and there is a need to prepare for that. It's like a shock to people's system to think that USA could go the way of USSR and one's community, rather than any system will become crucial...

it's easier to shrug it off as conspiracy nut chatter than to ACCEPT it and begin planning.
politicians and economists constantly soothing the populace doesn't help the matter either..

just my .02
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it's easier to shrug it off as conspiracy nut chatter than to ACCEPT it and begin planning.
politicians and economists constantly soothing the populace doesn't help the matter either..


Go stand by an 8-lane highway during rush hour. Tell yourself that every car and truck you see go by got added to GDP in some year or another and the economists and politicians called it ECONOMIC GROWTH.

But notice that some of those cars may be making funny noises and some may be putting out smoke that they shouldn't but ALL OF THEM ARE WEARING OUT. Now the trucks are probably CAPITAL GOODS and somebody is tracking their DEPRECIATION. That depreciation is being subtracted to compute Net Domestic Product.

But the economists NEVER TALK ABOUT Net Domestic Product!!!

It got ONE THIRD OF A PAGE in a 380 page economics book that costs $124.

http://www.amazon.com/Macroeco...onnell/dp/0073273082

But what the economists really don't say is that most of those cars are not CAPITAL GOODS and even though they wear out their DEPRECIATION isn't being computed or subtracted from ANYWHERE. But when people buy replacement cars they get added to GDP.

Think about it:

BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT

Does 60 years of that make sense? And 60 years ago there were fewer than 3 Billion people on the planet. Now there are almost SEVEN Billion.

BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT

But now people in China and India are doing it too.

BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT
BUY, ADD, THROW AWAY, DON'T SUBTRACT

When do we accept that the economists are talking bullshit and I bet most of the politicians don't know it.

Globalies

umbra
Originally posted by Liedecrypter
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Obviously, you don't fully understand the gravity of our situation...when I speak of Black independence I'm not reffering to some obscure pipe dream. I talking about a practical and neccessary different way of living vital to our very SURVIVAL. In case you haven't noticed this current society is teetering on the brink of an economic collapse that will no doubt have a severe impact on the already struggling Black community. Unless we get our act together and start looking out for OURSELVES as a PEOPLE instead of just keeping the faith in YT's broken system we are DOOMED point blank period....is that practical enough for you?


fro I totally agree....AGAIN! Currently we have this open window....and it's only gonna be open for a little while....this is the TIME to get all the eggs in the basket....otherwise, once it closes...that's it! Blackfolks don't seem to understand that. It reminds me of the "Sambo-making" machine system designed by the European in which he/massa convinces the "slave" to feel he is unfit to help/care for himself. He needs his master to show him the way and to be there always to guide him. The ironic thing is, massa has USED the "slave's ability" to take care of his needs and make his fortune.... Now if the slave can look beyond the brainwashing involved in this massa-making machine, he can see that NOT only can he help/care for himself but he can help/care for his community as well. fro
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

In case you haven't noticed this current society is teetering on the brink of an economic collapse that will no doubt have a severe impact on the already struggling Black community. Unless we get our act together and start looking out for OURSELVES as a PEOPLE instead of just keeping the faith in YT's broken system we are DOOMED point blank period....[/b]



Generally speaking, there's quite a bit of psychological resistance or psychological denial around this, accepting that the system, which is comforting to some, is not everlasting and there is a need to prepare for that. It's like a shock to people's system to think that USA could go the way of USSR and one's community, rather than any system will become crucial...

it's easier to shrug it off as conspiracy nut chatter than to ACCEPT it and begin planning.
politicians and economists constantly soothing the populace doesn't help the matter either..

just my .02


NS our people are going to have shake this "psychological resistance and denial" because if they can't even deal with the IDEA that this society will collapse they sure as hell won't be able to deal with the REALITY.

I know it's a shock to peoples system...which is why I've been holding back up to this point...but I just can't keep letting all this B.S. go unchallenged.
I've raised this question before and I'll ask it again is America falling and if so what does this mean for the African American Dream of equality in this country?

On the surface this may appear to be a rhetorical question to some because it raises doubt about something we all take for granted which is the strength and viability of the U.S. However, we've all seen the headlines rampant DECADENCE and CORRUPTION in the political and corporate system, Unstable financial markets (including the current mortgage meltdown), Decaying infrastructure/border security, more FREQUENT and SEVERE natural disasters and a war in Iraq just to name a few. What does all this mean for the future of this nation and by extension what does this mean for the "African American dream" of equality? Should we still be seeking equality from a white power structure that could very well be falling apart or should we take this opportunity to fortify our own political and economic power ASIDE from the U.S.?

I've worked in high calibur positions in the financial field for MANY years and I will tell you what I know about the stock market it is nothing more than a gigantic PONZI scheme to draw in money from the little guy who thinks he can become rich. When enough Joe Blows get in then the institutional investors will dump their shares culminating into the worst crash in history. This is just around the corner so what difference does it make whether or not blacks get to share the captains chair on the white mans ship if it's the TITANIC... I say we build our OWN ship what say you?

First and foremost we need to begin to see ourselves differently from how we have viewed ourselves since being freed from PHYSICAL slavery. It has been drilled into us as a people that the ONLY way to salvation (whether it's religious or economic) is through the white mans system. So it is hard for us to even conceive of the possibility that we can function as a viable people without the white mans "help" (even though we've existed thousands of years before we received such help). There is no "magic bullet" solution to fix all the ills that plague Black America however a good place to start would be for us to open a dialog regarding seeing ourselves aside from the white mans system and standards which is why I raised this question.

Once we begin to do that then we can begin to see ourselves as truly ONE people and we will finally get rid of this western styled INDIVIDUALISM that has been used to DIVIDE and CONQUER us. Once we do that then we may even begin to REDISCOVER our TRUE spiritual roots and we will FINALLY be freed from the BONDAGE of our former slave masters religions (whether they be European or Arabian) and maybe just maybe we will begin to IDENTIFY ourselves as the SPECIAL and UNIQUE people spoken of in the scriptual texts who were PROPHESIZED to go through EVERYTHING that we just so happened to have gone through. However, this was just to be for a specific period of time and afterward these peoples true GOD would redeem them. Are we those chosen people and is what we are seeing going on right now part of a DIVINE plan?....Is this even a valid question to ask?....or is the scripture just a book of myths and legends that we can't garner any historic or prophectic knowledge from?
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I've raised this question before and I'll ask it again is America falling and if so what does this mean for the African American Dream of equality in this country?


The American Dream has always been a delusion for most White people to chase after. A carrot on a stick.

That is what going into debt for cars designed to become obsolete is about. Then the entire economics profession FORGETS to talk about the depreciation of the under engineered garbage for 50 years. lol

See: The Screwing of the Average Man

The Crash of Consumerism was inevitable. When have White educators said that accounting should be mandatory for White kids?

http://www.spectacle.org/1199/wargame.html

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After my brief foray into the ancient world... and our place in it on my 'Hebrew African Heritage' thread now it's time to get back to the 21st century... and our place in it as well. In light of this weeks past inauguration of Barack Obama as Potus I think it would be a good idea to start discussing how President Obama's policies will affect the real economic state of Black America. On my next post in this thread I will give my perspective on this matter.
So now that the 819 Billion dollar stimulus package has passed lets take a closer look at it. As I alluded to in my last post I would like to disuss how President Obama's policies will affect the real economic state of Black America. Before I get started though it is imperative that I make something perfectly clear...I don't raise this question because I feel that since President Obama is widely accepted as African American that this puts some type of onus on him to look out for us specifically. I raise this question regarding how his policies will effect our community because often when there is an economic crisis Blacks are hit the hardest...even if a solution is acheived (within the confines of this socio-economic framework) Blacks are the last to benefit from it as a group...if at all. Another reason is that there seems to be in general a plethora of irrational expectations about what President Obama will be able to do ESPECIALLY within the Black community.

Obviously much of that has to do with with his racial make up and I do get the historic resonance that this has with our people as I stated here....

http://africanamerica.org/eve/...661066084#8661066084

I get it... and personally to the extent that I can identify President Obama as one of my own I can garner a limited amount of pleasure in seeing his ascension to the highest office in the land. However, that only goes so far with me (it should only go so far with us as a group also) at some point a critical analysis has to kick in and where the rubber meets the road is how his policies will effect both my immediate and extended (including Black Folk) family. On a side note for those African Americans who relish in the Matriarchal history of some African cultures and usage of the mothers family line to identify the child... by their standards President Obama is not African.
Since his Mitochondrial DNA takes him right back up into Europe so the blind race based support for Obama from this group is curious to me also.

Anyway, moving on I want to focus on policy and not President Obama himself since I don't have anything against him personally. With regard to evaluating this latest stimulus plan I'm not going to get into the minutiae about it I want to focus on the big picture. Now in reading some of the other posts concerning this plan it seems that many people on this site have a good grasp of it...So I can take this to the next level. That level being discussing the fact that this 'stimulus plan' cannot effectively do any of it's top stated goals such as providing tax credits, rebuilding the infrastructure and stimulating economic activity. For example this nations infrastructure is CRUMBLING and to properly address that alone would require 2.2 TRILLION dollars...even if the entire 819 billion dollars was used for that alone it would only be a down payment. Besides infrastructual public works projects are a tried and failed method of stimulating an economy (you can ask the Japanese about that). To be sure an effective infrastructure is vital to any country's success... however it should not take place AFTER a economic crisis has already taken hold these investments should have been made DECADES ago.

The more I look into this plan which is laden with tried and failed stimulus methods and pork barrel spending projects the more evident it becomes to me that this plan is a 'Jack of all trades and Master of none' it's trying to do too many things while not actually addressing anything. What's even more insidious is with regard to the how the plan seeks to stimulate the economy through the same consumer spending methods are a part of the problem in the first place. I'm going to be straight up the U.S. economy has been artifically propped up and reliant on DEBT for a long time. Motivating consumers to spend more money is nothing more than an attempt to keep a facade from collapsing it does absolutely NOTHING to deal with the REAL problem in this country. Which is the fact that America's industrial base is all but completely GONE it does not produce anything that the rest of the world wants or needs (besides a bloated overspent market for the rest of the worlds goods and services). This country is in more dire straights than most people realize and is woefully ill prepared to deal with this reality. The politicians for their part (of which Obama is one) are direlect in their duties to truly express the pain that is on the way. Instead they opt for the much less politically inflammatory route which is to pander and cuddle the American populace... in lieu of giving them the TRUTH.

I'm not sure if President Obama is fully aware of the Maleficience that such policies will bring on this country and is complicit due to some ulterior agenda. Or if he is a true believer that pursuing this type of economic policy will ultimately improve the American way of life. What I do know is whether we are dealing with the insidious Obama or the naive Obama these policies cannot and will not work.

As I said before...based on the FACTS the types of REAL change neccessary to turn this thing around would be long and painful....He would have to cut many programs (some of which he's supported during his candidacy) allow for the country to experience a recession to clean all the excess and waste out of this bloated economy (which in the short term would make the unemployment rate at least double) force Americans to live a more frugal lifestyle (drastically reducing our artificially high... cheap import driven standard of living) Transform the country from a SERVICE driven economy back into one that MAKES things that the rest of the world wants... and work towards truly eliminating the current trade and budget deficits. This is the TRUE path that needs to be taken however to take it would mean politcal suicide and he would need to chose between what's politically palatable and whats best for the country....Most politicians chose the former.
fro I agree with you Brotha LD in that it will have to be a long term behavior change required by all Americans to survive this. And yes, far too long we have been a "service driven" economy/society...inherited from massa's forced service/servant mentality in which this country was built on.

I'm just worried about people's ability to reduce their way of living. Cuz their way of life has been so addicting that the mere thought of being without it has caused many to commit suicide and kill their families including [which has NEVER happened before] African Americans. This sort of "I know no other way of living" caused the southerners to go to war cuz they didn't want to change their service driven [slaves] lifestyle.

We live in an instant/right now society...where we are used to having things quickly. Instant credit/housing/car loans/food etc. Patience is something long gone and I'm afraid because some folks inability to see things on a long term compass many will give up hope before any stimulus package can take place.

I used to say, when whitefolks start jumping off freeway bridges, killing themselves and their families then I will worry about the economy....but! Blackfolks are doing these things which causes great concern.

So although I agree with much of what you say, I still think that some of the programs i.e. the arts for example that the President is implementing will save our psych....in other words keep many of us from going crazy....and prevent many from seeing life in dire straights with no recourse. We need those programs desperately to give us vision and faith. I've seen how the arts can turn people around and how it can heal the unhealable giving one hope for a better day/way/life. As a matter of fact, the arts i.e. singing gospel/spirituals is what freed the slaves introspectively by giving them HOPE. And in today's world hope is needed to touch the spirit and soul of a desperate people....for without it [all the things crumbling before them] will not matter. They will be/are walking zombies....as in evidence of current human tragedies....but! JMHO...is all.

fro
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
So now that the 819 Billion dollar stimulus package has passed lets take a closer look at it. As I alluded to in my last post I would like to disuss how President Obama's policies will affect the real economic state of Black America. Before I get started though it is imperative that I make something perfectly clear...I don't raise this question because I feel that since President Obama is widely accepted as African American that this puts some type of onus on him to look out for us specifically. I raise this question regarding how his policies will effect our community because often when there is an economic crisis Blacks are hit the hardest...even if a solution is acheived (within the confines of this socio-economic framework) Blacks are the last to benefit from it as a group...if at all. Another reason is that there seems to be in general a plethora of irrational expectations about what President Obama will be able to do ESPECIALLY within the Black community.

Obviously much of that has to do with with his racial make up and I do get the historic resonance that this has with our people as I stated here....

http://africanamerica.org/eve/...661066084#8661066084

I get it... and personally to the extent that I can identify President Obama as one of my own I can garner a limited amount of pleasure in seeing his ascension to the highest office in the land. However, that only goes so far with me (it should only go so far with us as a group also) at some point a critical analysis has to kick in and where the rubber meets the road is how his policies will effect both my immediate and extended (including Black Folk) family. On a side note for those African Americans who relish in the Matriarchal history of some African cultures and usage of the mothers family line to identify the child... by their standards President Obama is not African.
Since his Mitochondrial DNA takes him right back up into Europe so the blind race based support for Obama from this group is curious to me also.

Anyway, moving on I want to focus on policy and not President Obama himself since I don't have anything against him personally. With regard to evaluating this latest stimulus plan I'm not going to get into the minutiae about it I want to focus on the big picture. Now in reading some of the other posts concerning this plan it seems that many people on this site have a good grasp of it...So I can take this to the next level. That level being discussing the fact that this 'stimulus plan' cannot effectively do any of it's top stated goals such as providing tax credits, rebuilding the infrastructure and stimulating economic activity. For example this nations infrastructure is CRUMBLING and to properly address that alone would require 2.2 TRILLION dollars...even if the entire 819 billion dollars was used for that alone it would only be a down payment. Besides infrastructual public works projects are a tried and failed method of stimulating an economy (you can ask the Japanese about that). To be sure an effective infrastructure is vital to any country's success... however it should not take place AFTER a economic crisis has already taken hold these investments should have been made DECADES ago.

The more I look into this plan which is laden with tried and failed stimulus methods and pork barrel spending projects the more evident it becomes to me that this plan is a 'Jack of all trades and Master of none' it's trying to do too many things while not actually addressing anything. What's even more insidious is with regard to the how the plan seeks to stimulate the economy through the same consumer spending methods are a part of the problem in the first place. I'm going to be straight up the U.S. economy has been artifically propped up and reliant on DEBT for a long time. Motivating consumers to spend more money is nothing more than an attempt to keep a facade from collapsing it does absolutely NOTHING to deal with the REAL problem in this country. Which is the fact that America's industrial base is all but completely GONE it does not produce anything that the rest of the world wants or needs (besides a bloated overspent market for the rest of the worlds goods and services). This country is in more dire straights than most people realize and is woefully ill prepared to deal with this reality. The politicians for their part (of which Obama is one) are direlect in their duties to truly express the pain that is on the way. Instead they opt for the much less politically inflammatory route which is to pander and cuddle the American populace... in lieu of giving them the TRUTH.

I'm not sure if President Obama is fully aware of the Maleficience that such policies will bring on this country and is complicit due to some ulterior agenda. Or if he is a true believer that pursuing this type of economic policy will ultimately improve the American way of life. What I do know is whether we are dealing with the insidious Obama or the naive Obama these policies cannot and will not work.

As I said before...based on the FACTS the types of REAL change neccessary to turn this thing around would be long and painful....He would have to cut many programs (some of which he's supported during his candidacy) allow for the country to experience a recession to clean all the excess and waste out of this bloated economy (which in the short term would make the unemployment rate at least double) force Americans to live a more frugal lifestyle (drastically reducing our artificially high... cheap import driven standard of living) Transform the country from a SERVICE driven economy back into one that MAKES things that the rest of the world wants... and work towards truly eliminating the current trade and budget deficits. This is the TRUE path that needs to be taken however to take it would mean politcal suicide and he would need to chose between what's politically palatable and whats best for the country....Most politicians chose the former.


Much respect! You are new since I last posted but you know how to handle yourself intellectually, I see. Maybe I think that because I agree with so much of what you said….and hence I am motivated by the narcissistic bias of like minds.

I know that there are a lot of knives, in the FED, The Treasury, in governmental think tanks and the like, who are much sharper than me. Hence, if I can cut it……no doubt that they can as well. I never believed for a moment that this crisis was unexpected and unforeseen. I don’t believe either that there is the expectation that this stimulus plan will turn the economy around. Hell, I was only an economics minor in college. I learned enough to have gleaned that something was terribly wrong years ago and that the model was unsustainable. You cannot tell me that experts employed by the government have not projected out, long ago, that this would happen. There is enough empirical evidence and enough data to know that we were walking right into this. Maybe politicians simply did not have the political courage to take the proper steps that would likely lead to them not being elected or reelected. I don’t know……I just know that it does not take a rocket scientist to do the math.

In light of that, I am of the opinion that a planned collapse is being orchestrated. The collapse was inevitable because the model was unsustainable. However, we can all agree that a planned or controlled collapse or descent is better than an unplanned or uncontrolled collapse. You see, what everyone should learn from 911 is that radical and catastrophic events are needed to change laws and give the pretext for certain actions, in a democracy. People with power always have forward looking plans that people without power do not know about. It’s like the company that you work for. The CEO and board gets numbers, projections and analysis and create plans and contingency plans that the workers have no clue of……until they get a notice that there job is being eliminated or that the company is restructuring or has been acquired or merged. They are always forward looking…..and they have all the numbers…..because they collect the data. They know when the company is in trouble looooonnnnnggg before the workers.

Think of the US as a corporation and the president as simply an executive. The countries numbers crunchers were projecting out scenarios and economic models, back in the 70’s, 80 and 90’s about today. They knew the historical ramifications of fiat currency. They knew the ramifications of trade deficits. They knew the ramifications low interest monetary policy and bubbles. They knew of the loss of comparative advantage in most manufacturing. They knew the ramifications of trade deficits. They knew the ramifications of the recovery of economies destroyed in two successive world wars. They knew historical trade of guns vs. butter. They knew of population growth. They knew of peak-oil. They knew of resource depletion and environmental disruption. They knew that SS was a Ponzi scheme. They knew of Baby Boomer depletion from the ranks of the employed. They knew all these things and more, way before the general public, and I, and you…..and they knew that our model was unsustainable and would collapse. So it stands to reason, from my point of you, that they planned for this inevitability long ago and is putting that plan in play as we speak.

I think there a NEW ORDER being set up. There might me a merger of several western nations under one umbrella government...or some other radical departure of governance and borders as we know it. There might be a major war being planned. I don't know what it is....all I am sure about is that the model that we are working under cannot be sustained domestically or globally.
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Greeting my Brotha...

Yes, it is true that I've been on this site only but for a few months...However, I've been visiting these boards on and off since early 2003 tryng to help spread knowledge to our people. Although those days may be nearing a close in the not too distant future as I increasingly see that my time and energy needs to be in fortifying myself and loved ones against the coming socio-economic storms. At any rate what you said above was 100% correct I do believe that it's all planned.

Socio-economics is just like any other science such as Chemistry, Physics, etc. Once the principles are understood they can be manipulated to yield any desired result. Check this clip out below... among the commentators on this is Peter Schiff who I've credited before as being one of the few white boys out there telling the WHOLE truth about the real state of this economy...That's why he keeps bumping heads with delusional economists that are in denial just like in this clip...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccMJclKpBQI


By the way, considering your frame of mind you are a prime candidate for the elite network of In The Know Brotha's around the world that I'm forming. Who using our advanced knowledge of events to come will postion ourselves best to not only survive it but THRIVE during it. Thus creating the basis by which the Great Black civilations of antiquity will ultimately arise from the ashes of YT's broken one...Ummm.... then again of course I really couldn't possibly have such plans...I mean this is a open forum and I wouldn't be so Bold and Brazen as to announce such a thing......



Or would I?....
I am glad to hear what you told me brother…..that you are preparing yourself and your family and might not be posting much longer. I wish I heard more people on this site, as well as others, make some indication that they are preparing for what’s coming. At this point of time…..this is what people can be doing, ignoring investment information.

Guns and Amo.

3 months supply of water (at least). 3 months supply of food (you can survive longer without food than water)

If possible, get some hard currency out of your bank in case of bank failure and freezing of accounts.

Keep your car at least 2/3 full…..in case of a major interruption in supply.

Buy a generator if possible in case of major power outages.

Buy some “How to books” and guides.

Learn gardening and growing your own food.

Step up your game at work…..if possible. Make sure that the value you add gets recognized.

Don’t make any major purchases is possible.

Eat Healthy and exercise to stay healthy. Stock up on medicines.

Have a plan of merging without other family members to make ends meet. Think of immigrants and their living arrangement model.

I don’t know when the hyper-inflation is going to kick in. My guess is when the stimulus money actually gets loaned out and spent. When inflation is high, its best to owe the government taxes from the previous year, because you will be paying them back in dollars that are worth a lot less than when you spent them. If the government owes you from previous years taxes, then they will be paying you back in money that is worth less than when they took it from you. Thus, either you or the government is going to get short changed...best it be the gubment.

Ect……….there are a lot more things to do that are part of normal disaster preparation. However, if there is a collapse or sudden shock, look for chaos to ensue for a few months before it is stabilized by the military and martial law.

Of course, these suggestions are for the wost case scenario and I pray that it never gets that bad….but I am afraid that it is a real probability. If it never gets to that…….your investments can be put to other use or sold. It better to be prepared and not to need it than to need it but did not prepare.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:
I am glad to hear what you told me brother…..that you are preparing yourself and your family and might not be posting much longer. I wish I heard more people on this site, as well as others, make some indication that they are preparing for what’s coming. At this point of time…..this is what people can be doing, ignoring investment information.

Guns and Amo.

3 months supply of water (at least). 3 months supply of food (you can survive longer without food than water)

If possible, get some hard currency out of your bank in case of bank failure and freezing of accounts.

Keep your car at least 2/3 full…..in case of a major interruption in supply.

Buy a generator if possible in case of major power outages.

Buy some “How to books” and guides.

Learn gardening and growing your own food.

Step up your game at work…..if possible. Make sure that the value you add gets recognized.

Don’t make any major purchases is possible.

Eat Healthy and exercise to stay healthy. Stock up on medicines.

Have a plan of merging without other family members to make ends meet. Think of immigrants and their living arrangement model.

I don’t know when the hyper-inflation is going to kick in. My guess is when the stimulus money actually gets loaned out and spent. When inflation is high, its best to owe the government taxes from the previous year, because you will be paying them back in dollars that are worth a lot less than when you spent them. If the government owes you from previous years taxes, then they will be paying you back in money that is worth less than when they took it from you. Thus, either you or the government is going to get short changed...best it be the gubment.

Ect……….there are a lot more things to do that are part of normal disaster preparation. However, if there is a collapse or sudden shock, look for chaos to ensue for a few months before it is stabilized by the military and martial law.

Of course, these suggestions are for the wost case scenario and I pray that it never gets that bad….but I am afraid that it is a real probability. If it never gets to that…….your investments can be put to other use or sold. It better to be prepared and not to need it than to need it but did not prepare.


THANK YOU for this information.

You're right, it's better to prepare for the worse case scenario

than not.

thanks again.
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Originally posted by Noah The African:

I am glad to hear what you told me brother…..that you are preparing yourself and your family and might not be posting much longer. I wish I heard more people on this site, as well as others, make some indication that they are preparing for what’s coming. At this point of time…..this is what people can be doing, ignoring investment information.




I appreciate you mentioning the basic necessities aspect of this...often time we get too caught up in the socio-economics of it all and over look this. However, Just for the record I am well equipped with what you mentioned and then some as follows....

Guns and Ammo

*Check*

Although I really don't like guns as I feel that they are cowardly weapons which has been proven in history with the white mans reliance on them to take lands away from much braver and SUPERIOR warriors such as the ZULU in Africa and SIOUX in this country. Although I do own some (a Smith & Wesson 38 special and a Remington 870 12 gauge) however these are only for home defense and a LAST resort. I prefer silent weapons like knives, long staff's and numchuks I even have a Wakizashi Samurai sword that I keep in a china cabinet (for display purposes only of course).

I also believe that brothers need to get more proficient with close combat tactic's like Judo or Jujitsu we are world renown for being "good with our hands" but I'm a proponet for going outside the box. Sometimes I wish we could go back to the days when the most deadly weapon a man could have was a SPEAR there is something honorable about that to me. Now a days any weak azz fool can pick up a gun and shoot up everybody.. Do you think they could pull off a drive by with a spear?

Which leads me to my last point regarding protection against hand gun fire I also got my hands on some Level 2 body armor (the Kevlar kind that police use) I personally believe that a Black man who has the means should have this kind of vest in his closet right next to his best suit.
We should always pray for peace but be prepared for war especially us Black men considering we disproportionately seem to be the target...


3 months supply of water (at least). 3 months supply of food (you can survive longer without food than water)

*Check*

I tend to stock up on things as a general rule... and I normally get a few cases of bottled water when I go grocery shopping (although I don't think I have 3 months worth currently I need to work on that) Fortunately, I decided to stop renting out the other apartment in my building so I have extra space to store up extra food and supplies without it interferring with my primary living area.

If possible, get some hard currency out of your bank in case of bank failure and freezing of accounts.

*Check*

Might I also add invest in a fire proof home safe and keep a passport and foreign currency in it as well


Keep your car at least 2/3 full…..in case of a major interruption in supply.

*Check*

I always fill up at the station (especially since prices have fallen) and on a side note...Although storing gasoline and other flammable substances is hazardous and should be done with EXTREME care. I once heard of people who had fuel tanks professionally installed in their back yards...this might be worth some researching

Buy a generator if possible in case of major power outages.
*Check*

Good point I don't think people invest enough in back up power sources..since electric companies normally can have power back on within a few hours. Personally, I have TWO generators a bigger one thats stationary and a smaller one thats mobile in order to help others who might need power. I also have my computers, televisions and all other electrical equipment plugged into surge protected back up power bases. I recommend everyone do this don't get the cheap $30-$50 kind either... a good back up power supply like the kind APC or Cyber Power makes will run you about $150 and up. I know this may be expensive to some but to protect your equipment its worth it...besides you've probably already spent a couple grand on your stuff why not protect your investment?

Buy some “How to books” and guides.

*Check*

Even if some want to go the cheap route they can print info from websites now while the power is on...

Learn gardening and growing your own food.

This is an execellent point I've always been interested in learning more about gardening...thats something I want/need to brush up on... thanks for the reminder

Step up your game at work…..if possible. Make sure that the value you add gets recognized.

*Check*

Although, I mostly work for myself except for some on site contract work here and there....I see your point about maintaining the value of whatever product or service you are providing

Don’t make any major purchases is possible.

*Check*

Although I'm not a miser ( I mean you've got to have some fun and it's ok to splurge every once in a while) I tend to be frugal and never try to spend more than I have to on luxuries. The last major purchase I made was building a new entry fence to my property...but you can see how that ties into this theme of being prepared for the worse.

Eat Healthy and exercise to stay healthy. Stock up on medicines.

*Check*

I exercise regularly and I tend to be in very good overall health...I don't eat Pork and I only eat Beef occasionally...When I eat meat I prefer Turkey, Chicken and Fish. To me turkey in particular is becoming the new 'red meat' I'm using turkey bacon (which is great alternative to regular bacon by the way with much less fat) and ground turkey in place of ground beef and its just as good. There are also great soy products out there to not just for meat substitutes but for milk (I also like rice milk to). I keep a lot of medicines and antibiotics also along with first aid kits with bandages.

Have a plan of merging without other family members to make ends meet. Think of immigrants and their living arrangement model.

I thank God that fortunately I invested in rental properties years ago... so if worse comes to worse and my current tenants can no longer maintain them... I could replace them with my closest family and friends if need be. I prefer this option to shacking up 20-30 deep in a single apartment ala Mexicano...I look after my people but I need my space.


I don’t know when the hyper-inflation is going to kick in. My guess is when the stimulus money actually gets loaned out and spent. When inflation is high, its best to owe the government taxes from the previous year, because you will be paying them back in dollars that are worth a lot less than when you spent them. If the government owes you from previous years taxes, then they will be paying you back in money that is worth less than when they took it from you. Thus, either you or the government is going to get short changed...best it be the gubment.

As I rule I tend to take as many exemptions/deductions as possible and put money in PRETAX investment vehicles... I don't like the idea of giving the Government a zero interest loan for a whole year..I prefer to keep my money from the beginning


Ect……….there are a lot more things to do that are part of normal disaster preparation. However, if there is a collapse or sudden shock, look for chaos to ensue for a few months before it is stabilized by the military and martial law.

Of course, these suggestions are for the wost case scenario and I pray that it never gets that bad….but I am afraid that it is a real probability. If it never gets to that…….your investments can be put to other use or sold. It better to be prepared and not to need it than to need it but did not prepare.


Thats correct I feel that theres nothing on your list that people can't or shouldn't be doing right now just as a general practice... No matter what happens you can't go wrong being 'overprepared'...people should have the common sense to realize that we are in uncharted territory and the probabilty that things will get much worse before they get better should be evident. It's up to each individual on how they want to deal with this reality...

P.S. what did you think of the video link I sent you? did you notice how they broke down the disconnect between the REAL physical economy and the PHONY inflated one?
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
fro I agree with you Brotha LD in that it will have to be a long term behavior change required by all Americans to survive this. And yes, far too long we have been a "service driven" economy/society...inherited from massa's forced service/servant mentality in which this country was built on.

I'm just worried about people's ability to reduce their way of living. Cuz their way of life has been so addicting that the mere thought of being without it has caused many to commit suicide and kill their families including [which has NEVER happened before] African Americans. This sort of "I know no other way of living" caused the southerners to go to war cuz they didn't want to change their service driven [slaves] lifestyle.

We live in an instant/right now society...where we are used to having things quickly. Instant credit/housing/car loans/food etc. Patience is something long gone and I'm afraid because some folks inability to see things on a long term compass many will give up hope before any stimulus package can take place.

I used to say, when whitefolks start jumping off freeway bridges, killing themselves and their families then I will worry about the economy....but! Blackfolks are doing these things which causes great concern.

So although I agree with much of what you say, I still think that some of the programs i.e. the arts for example that the President is implementing will save our psych....in other words keep many of us from going crazy....and prevent many from seeing life in dire straights with no recourse. We need those programs desperately to give us vision and faith. I've seen how the arts can turn people around and how it can heal the unhealable giving one hope for a better day/way/life. As a matter of fact, the arts i.e. singing gospel/spirituals is what freed the slaves introspectively by giving them HOPE. And in today's world hope is needed to touch the spirit and soul of a desperate people....for without it [all the things crumbling before them] will not matter. They will be/are walking zombies....as in evidence of current human tragedies....but! JMHO...is all.

fro



I understand where you are coming from sistah Koco...and you are correct that people need hope... and things like the arts help in this. However, I think that there is a thin line between focusing only positive things and escapism.

I understand the faith that you have in President Obama's ability to improve the situation. But for me I'm only focusing on the unrelenting undeniable FACTS of the situation... and I can't join you in such blind faith.

Although we can agree to disagree on this that doesn't change my view of you personally...you are STILL around 4 feet 11 inches of pure Black power in my book.
Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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I understand where you are coming from sistah Koco...and you are correct that people need hope... and things like the arts help in this. However, I think that there is a thin line between focusing only positive things and escapism.

I understand the faith that you have in President Obama's ability to improve the situation. But for me I'm only focusing on the unrelenting undeniable FACTS of the situation... and I can't join you in such blind faith.

Although we can agree to disagree on this that doesn't change my view of you personally...you are STILL around 4 feet 11 inches of pure Black power in my book.


fro That's the beauty of one's point of view, we all have one. And the arts had its silent hand/contribution in helping us (Black folks) achieve our freedom cuz it gave us VISION/blind faith in the face of 300 years or so of brutal despair coupled with hope along with many other important unprecedented elements which worked together relentlessly for the common cause/goal …which finally succeeded...i.e. our right to go about this land as free individuals....and! I respectfully acknowledge that we, unfortunately, disagree on this particularly component...however, you KNOW how I feel about you my brotha hug I think you're magnificent with excelled intelligence to the 50th power. And just cuz we don't see eye to eye on this isolated issue doesn't change a thang for me eitherWink

fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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I understand where you are coming from sistah Koco...and you are correct that people need hope... and things like the arts help in this. However, I think that there is a thin line between focusing only positive things and escapism.

I understand the faith that you have in President Obama's ability to improve the situation. But for me I'm only focusing on the unrelenting undeniable FACTS of the situation... and I can't join you in such blind faith.

Although we can agree to disagree on this that doesn't change my view of you personally...you are STILL around 4 feet 11 inches of pure Black power in my book.


fro That's the beauty of one's point of view, we all have one. And the arts had its silent hand/contribution in helping us (Black folks) achieve our freedom cuz it gave us VISION/blind faith in the face of 300 years or so of brutal despair coupled with hope along with many other important unprecedented elements which worked together relentlessly for the common cause/goal …which finally succeeded...i.e. our right to go about this land as free individuals....and! I respectfully acknowledge that we, unfortunately, disagree on this particularly component...however, you KNOW how I feel about you my brotha hug I think you're magnificent with excelled intelligence to the 50th power. And just cuz we don't see eye to eye on this isolated issue doesn't change a thang for me eitherWink

fro


*sniff*

ain't this beautiful! appl

I agree with you, Koco. tfro

The brother is brilliant appl
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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I understand where you are coming from sistah Koco...and you are correct that people need hope... and things like the arts help in this. However, I think that there is a thin line between focusing only positive things and escapism.

I understand the faith that you have in President Obama's ability to improve the situation. But for me I'm only focusing on the unrelenting undeniable FACTS of the situation... and I can't join you in such blind faith.

Although we can agree to disagree on this that doesn't change my view of you personally...you are STILL around 4 feet 11 inches of pure Black power in my book.


fro That's the beauty of one's point of view, we all have one. And the arts had its silent hand/contribution in helping us (Black folks) achieve our freedom cuz it gave us VISION/blind faith in the face of 300 years or so of brutal despair coupled with hope along with many other important unprecedented elements which worked together relentlessly for the common cause/goal …which finally succeeded...i.e. our right to go about this land as free individuals....and! I respectfully acknowledge that we, unfortunately, disagree on this particularly component...however, you KNOW how I feel about you my brotha hug I think you're magnificent with excelled intelligence to the 50th power. And just cuz we don't see eye to eye on this isolated issue doesn't change a thang for me eitherWink

fro


*sniff*

ain't this beautiful! appl

I agree with you, Koco. tfro

The brother is brilliant appl



You ladies are sweet...I've been so busy in my other thread I didn't get a chance to acknowledge your compliments. Thank you and even though I'm not really big on halmark holidays I know a lot of our women are into Valentines Day (so we brotha's should still do something special for them no matter how we view the holiday itself). So I wish you both along with all my other favorite sistah's on this board a happy one... and I hope you ladies each have a quality man in your lives that doesn't just bring you chocolate for this 1 day only... but all year round and treats you Fabulously and appreciates your Kocoliciousness in all it's glory...

Peace
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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So I wish you both along with all my other favorite sistah's on this board a happy one... and I hope you ladies each have a quality man in your lives that doesn't just bring you chocolate for this 1 day only... but all year round and treats you Fabulously and appreciates your Kocoliciousness in all it's glory...



fro Brotha LD... thanks
You are definitely a gentlemen. kiss

BTW: I'm glad you brought back your dynamic avartar….it vigorously depicts your distinguish attributes much much better….but! JMHO is all.

fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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So I wish you both along with all my other favorite sistah's on this board a happy one... and I hope you ladies each have a quality man in your lives that doesn't just bring you chocolate for this 1 day only... but all year round and treats you Fabulously and appreciates your Kocoliciousness in all it's glory...



fro Brotha LD... thanks
You are definitely a gentlemen. kiss

BTW: I'm glad you brought back your dynamic avartar….it vigorously depicts your distinguish attributes much much better….but! JMHO is all.

fro


I appreciate that sistah Koco...oh and before I get back on topic (since unlike my first thread which became a hate fest this one seems to be evolving into a love fest)...which avatar are you referring to?
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You ladies are sweet...I've been so busy in my other thread I didn't get a chance to acknowledge your compliments. Thank you and even though I'm not really big on halmark holidays I know a lot of our women are into Valentines Day (so we brotha's should still do something special for them no matter how we view the holiday itself). So I wish you both along with all my other favorite sistah's on this board a happy one... and I hope you ladies each have a quality man in your lives that doesn't just bring you chocolate for this 1 day only... but all year round and treats you Fabulously and appreciates your Kocoliciousness in all it's glory...

Peace


awww...thanks LD hug
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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I appreciate that sistah Koco...oh and before I get back on topic (since unlike my first thread which became a hate fest this one seems to be evolving into a love fest)...which avatar are you referring to?


fro The one with the body-builder holding a shaft. I like your current one better....but! That's just me. fro
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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I appreciate that sistah Koco...oh and before I get back on topic (since unlike my first thread which became a hate fest this one seems to be evolving into a love fest)...which avatar are you referring to?


fro The one with the body-builder holding a shaft. I like your current one better....but! That's just me. fro


Well, this one was custom made for me and I'm glad you like it...I'll tell the artist who made it that you like her work...

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