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As I mentioned in the other thread "The REAL economic state of Black America" I would start a new thread dealing with this subject matter. I'm also acting on the suggestions of readers who are very interested in this topic...like many things dealing with our people it's always trail and error but eventually things work out. Dealing with this controversial topic is no exception. It's seems weird to me to even have to refer to this topic as "controversial" but it's not uncommon for the TRUTH to be treated with disdain when it's finally heard after being sugar coated with lies for so long. Unfortunataly, since our people have been the main targets for brain washing they tend to put up the most resistance to truth than anybody...even though knowledge of the truth could be a tool to galvanize and empower us.

Case in point there was a lot of resistance from those who could not accept the fact that Blacks don't control anymore wealth in this country than they did during the 1800's. When some Blacks hear this uncomfortable truth their first reaction is to become indignant with the message and the messenger. They seem to think that bringing these facts out is somehow meant to diminish or downplay the gains Blacks have made....nothing could be further from the truth. The primary reason for bringing out these facts is to underscore the fact that IN SPITE of the gains Blacks have made they are still SYSTEMATICALLY held in place as a GROUP no matter how successful certain INDIVIDUALS become.

Control of wealth and resources requires a GROUP effort and is a TEAM sport not only have Blacks been prevented from forming their own teams but they have been locked out of the arena for CENTURIES. This is the REASON that Blacks cumulative wealth has been STAGNANT in this country since the 1800's it's not due to Blacks not having the ABILITY it's due to being PREVENTED. This thread should be better than the first because all the doubt and negativity has been spewed already...and now we should be able to focus on the ISSUE...if any anger is going to be expressed in this thread instead of directing it towards the messenger or the message...let's direct that anger against those socio-economic structures that have robbed our people for all these years and have FORCED us to remain proportionately stagant since the 1800's. We should also channel that anger into motivation to make the changes in our life styles and ways of thinking that will enable us to seek a new direction towards building our OWN systems instead of being pawns in others systems.


I know when I mention us having our own systems to some Blacks this sounds like a fantasy...because they are so far removed from the concept and they can only see Black progress from a integrationist POV. This is quite sad and shows the legacy of the trauma that has been inflicted on Blacks whenever they have sought TRUE FREEDOM in this country which is SEPARATION.

Below I will be providing information and videos I came across about "Black Wallstreet". To any self hating Blacks that question whether Blacks can run prosperous communities on their OWN this should put those doubts to rest. It's very eye opening and shows a major reason why Black communities are in their current state and why our wealth has been stagnant in this country...the minute Black communities become INDEPENDENTLY prosperous WHITE BACKLASH comes into play....After you view these videos you have to ask yourself if not for white interference would many more "Black wallstreets" sprang up and would our wealth have stagnated...moreover would the whole CRM even been necessary?


Greenwood is a neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As one of the most successful and wealthiest African American communities in the United Stated during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street" until the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. The riot was one of the most devastating race riots in history and it destroyed the once thriving Greenwood community. Greenwood is still being rebuilt today because of the destruction over 80 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...Black_Wall_Street.22


Video part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH900FGqwKs

part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYI1XAe-Tow&NR=1
"In a world where lies have become accepted as fact..The truth when finally heard burns like a flame of fire" "It is irrational to want that which is not God's will, so attune thyself with thy inner Nature and live happily."
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It should also be noted that since the time Blacks stepped off the slave ships to the reconstruction period the goal of Blacks was never integration. The goal was to build independent and viable communities on their own. The solution to the Black condition starts with separation and then you can work through all the problems from there.

The seeking out of integration that Blacks (unlike any other group) has in this country is in large part due to experiences like this video illustrates. Both white mobs and organizations of Terror like the KKK created the artificial feelings in Blacks that they needed to integrate...this was mostly because blacks felt this would make them safe from these acts of terror.

The whole motivation for Blacks to integrate was rooted in fear and psychological trauma....So how can any solution to the Black condition be based on a integrationist point of view?
No mention of technology.

Weren't those slave ships technology?

Weren't firearms technology?

Wasn't the production of steel technology?

Isn't the history of the last 600 years a record of what people with technology can do to people without and proof that the people without technology can't do shit about it. So isn't talking about TRESOBA without talking about technology and what black people do and don't know about it complete nonsense?

That is why I mention these books so much though I get almost no reaction to them.

Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco
The Electricity
The Electricity

The Art of Electronics by Horowitz & Hill
The Art

Someone on BlackNet was talking about some technology that stored electric power while driving a car and could be attached to the home. I told him it had to reduce the gas mileage of the car. I looked around on the internet for a simple explanation for this. I gave up after looking at 30 sites. The information was onpage 154 in that book.

The trouble is most websites and books are written more to make the author look smart than give good explantions to the reader. So finding well explained accurate information is even more difficult than finding accurate information. How do we catch up to the palefaces if we let them throw dirt in our eyes.

I saw that POWERNOMICS book in a Black bookstore years ago. So the first thing I looked through it for was TECHNOLOGY. I didn't see much.

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LD, I'm not disagreeing with what you have written, but I'd call the various "Black Wall Streets" more Black folks making lemonade out of lemons or playing the hand we were dealt, than any planned anti-integration move.

Black Wall Streets developed BECAUSE Black folks were systematically shut out of the larger economy and died because the artifical barriers came down [were lowered to the point were Blacks could access the services of the larger market with a measure of dignity.

Or, maybe that's exactly what you are saying. 19
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Greenwood is a neighborhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As one of the most successful and wealthiest African American communities in the United Stated during the early 20th Century, it was popularly known as America's "Black Wall Street" until the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. The riot was one of the most devastating race riots in history and it destroyed the once thriving Greenwood community. Greenwood is still being rebuilt today because of the destruction over 80 years ago.


Last night I was listening to a great show on BlogTalk Radio that discussed the history of blacks in Milwaukee with Dr. Ivory Abena Black. You know how they got rid of the black community there. First they were redlined, then the city stopped servicing the community with public works and then they opted to build an interstate highway right through the community displacing tens of thousands of black people.
If whites don't displace blacks through violence, they use the government to do it. This is their system. below is a link to the show if anyone would care to listen.
Queen Ifama, Truth Terrorist
I believe that this more slick way of dispersing the black community was done in various cities around the nation. The outright violent approach was the earlier approach. After the Civil Rights Movement this was the way things began to be done.
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You know how they got rid of the black community there. First they were redlined, then the city stopped servicing the community with public works and then they opted to build an interstate highway right through the community displacing tens of thousands of black people.


I recently spoke with an older Black man [90+ yrs] who told me the history of Tucson, AZ. I was surprised to learn that Tucson had a thriving business district that included a general store, a butcher shop, a shoe maker, a couple of tailors, several bars/pool halls and even a movie theater [something the hispanic community didn't have].

Then in the 1970's, the City fathers bulldozed the entire community to build a convention center. They called it Urban Renewal. Mad
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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I know when I mention us having our own systems to some Blacks this sounds like a fantasy..



fro Just like it was a "fantasy" for us to "dream" about being in the white house....not as a servant...but! As President-Elect! Yep. Sho' ya right brotha LD, we are brainwashed to the point that....we don't even DREAM about doing better for ourselves...let alone as a GROUP. We have been conditioned to wait for that "super-hero" white guy with the black cape to rescue us from ourselves. But to our amazement that super-hero once with a pointed-cap is now subliminal but busy at work destroying us through prisons, drugs and that slave mentality. Instead of us looking for ways to take advantage of this ONCE IN A LIFETIME opening in the universe....a great many of us are STILL bickering and stumbling over materialism...insignificant items we can NOT leave our children/legacy. As a result unfortunately, our ability to "DREAM into REALITY....[collectively] has been devained. It's gonna take a lot to reestablish what has been lost....but! It can happen. I've seen it with my own eyes! Great topic!tfro fro
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
No mention of technology.

Weren't those slave ships technology?

Weren't firearms technology?

Wasn't the production of steel technology?

Isn't the history of the last 600 years a record of what people with technology can do to people without and proof that the people without technology can't do shit about it. So isn't talking about TRESOBA without talking about technology and what black people do and don't know about it complete nonsense?

That is why I mention these books so much though I get almost no reaction to them.

Teach Yourself Electricity and Electronics by Stan Gibilisco
The Electricity
The Electricity

The Art of Electronics by Horowitz & Hill
The Art


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Umbrarchist the European possesed no technology that was not already in existense in the ancient civilizations of Africa, the "middle east" or better yet northern Africa which is all it TRULY is...and Asia. Ship building was being done well before the European ever set sail...The production of steel and many other metals can be traced all over the ancient world and we all know that the Chinese had firearms before the European.

So the answer is not just simply "technology" in fact most if not all of the technology that Europe acquired came AFTER it had made contact with other civilizations and then used those same civilizations advancements against them. The fall of many ancient Black civilizations was like a boomerang effect.... Mediterranean peoples like the Greeks and Romans acquired VAST amounts of knowledge and technolgies from African schools of thought like Sankore (one of the worlds first universities) that was in Timbuktu.

The Romans later used this knowledge and technology to conquer the northern Barbaric tribes of western Europe (the forebearers of todays white man) and then much later after our Great civilizations had ALREADY FALLEN (they didn't "conquer" us) these Barbarians now with ships came and used our own knowledge against us...so it all came full circle.

They used China's technology against them also by weaponizing gun powder in ways that the Chinese were simply too civilized to even think of. The British used it's naval gun ships to force the Chinese to buy opium when it no longer wanted to engage in "free trade".... which devastated and collapsed the ancient Chinese civilization and took it from being the most advanced Asian country to being called the "sick man of Asia" a stigma that the Chinese are just now shedding due to it's rapid economic growth beginning in the late 20th century.

This is the pattern that had been repeated with their expansion the world over even here in the America's when they were not using native peoples cultures against them they used diseases....I'm sure you are familar with the book "Guns, Germs and Steel" by Jared Diamond
http://www.wwnorton.com/catalo...ring99/gunsgerms.htm

This spells out many of the factors that aided European expansionism and much of it had nothing to due with them being "superior" or having "superior technology".
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You are correct Kweli in that Blacks were "making lemonade out of lemons or playing the hand we were dealt" However, the difference between their mindset then and our mindset now is that Blacks back then focused on selling that lemonade from their own lemonade stands...and they elected to play the hand they were dealt in their own casinos.

Todays agenda for Black folks is all about integration and multi-culturism with very few prominent Blacks offering a dissenting view to this...There is something very wrong with that in and of itself.

We must have a broader view with respect to dealing with the Black condition in our public forums than just focusing on "integrating" which has been our primary focus for the last 40 years.

To the Coco's....Cocoa Starr and Kocolicious respectively....

Cocoa Starr: you make a good point about the ways in which whites subtly displace Blacks and it's happening all around us this whole "multi-cultural" movement being another example. I look forward to listening to the link you provided to the radio blog also.

Kocolicious: what can I say?... I don't know what it is but your posts always make my day....I don't use smiley's that often but as a show of solidarity I will now give you one of your signature fro's..... tfro
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Umbrarchist the European possesed no technology that was not already in existense in the ancient civilizations of Africa, the "middle east" or better yet northern Africa which is all it TRULY is...and Asia. Ship building was being done well before the European ever set sail...The production of steel and many other metals can be traced all over the ancient world and we all know that the Chinese had firearms before the European.


I don't give a damn about any ego-tripping historical bullshit about whose ancestors did what. You claim to be talking about economics NOW. So talking about an economic action plan while not talking about how knowledge of current technology fits into the economic action plan is nonsense.

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Um....not that I am always sure about just what point it is you are trying to make...admittedly I'm not. However, I figured since you asked the following questions....

"Weren't those slave ships technology?

Weren't firearms technology?

Wasn't the production of steel technology?"


and this one....

"Isn't the history of the last 600 years a record of what people with technology can do to people without and proof that the people without technology can't do shit about it?"

That you were inferring that simply because certain people had technology *See Europeans* that this explained the last 600 years of their "conquests" of non Europeans. I just kindly pointed out to you the irony in the fact that those same technologies the European used were invented by the cultures they "conquered".

So the real issue is not simply the possession of technology in and of itself. The real issue is the APLLICATION and IMPLEMENTATION of such knowledge and technolgy to meet a GROUP objective.

I am pro technology but I see it as a means to an end (such as how we are using the internet to exchange ideas) and a utility that can ultimately help our people gain and maintain our own industries. However, instead of just focusing on technology for technologies sake we first need to build the socio-economic construct amongst ourselves in order to control technolgy and not just possess it. Since we are not unified as a people with a clear vision and objective you could give us all the technology in the world and it won't mean a hill of beans.

Those that are more unified with a clear cut group objective would usurp our technological advantage and use it against us (hence my previous historic examples) so our primary focus should be unity and once we build a strong base with that then we can deal with technology....Blacks must learn how to crawl (as a group) again before they can walk.
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Originally posted by Cocoa Starr:
Umbrachist, technology is great and useful to mankind, but the people who own/control the natural resources are now in power. Example China in Africa. Enough said.


And doesn't not knowing enough about technology to figure out when they are using those resources to make junk designed to become obsolete give them more power? This idea that power is only at the production end is nonsense. Knowing what not to buy is power also.

Galbraith talked about the planned obsolescence of automobiles in 1959. Malcolm X was alive then. But I am not aware of his ever saying anything about it.

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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That you were inferring that simply because certain people had technology *See Europeans* that this explained the last 600 years of their "conquests" of non Europeans. I just kindly pointed out to you the irony in the fact that those same technologies the European used were invented by the cultures they "conquered".


fro True dat Brotha L.D. I've always said in other posts.....how savage is one to use a source of ancient celebration i.e. fireworks....and think...."I wonder what will happen if I shot this in someone's face?" Asians have used fireworks for dynasties and not one time did they ever think to use it in such a vicious and destructive way. Not once!

Truth be told Egyptians were dynamic in high technology in that they were corresponding outside the solar system[thousands of years before Europeans thought the world was flat]....I know for some this is something hard to imagine or digest....but nevertheless it is a fact. A stolen fact. In addition, the Egyptians were using resources that the Earth naturally generates i.e. electricity, radioactive waves, space travel-all that while Europeans were deep in caves. Even today, many anthropologists/scientists STILL do not know or understand HOW the pyramids were built and how were they able to aligned them in correlation to the universe.

Technology is not new....cultures all over the world have plunged into it throughout human history....but many of us are conditioned to believe no one can invent or discover anything except for massa.......even when the facts are RIGHT in our faces. If massa didn't do it, it wasn't done.

This reminds of a Richard Pryor skit. He was in an Egyptain tomb looking at all the artifacts and discovered quickly that black people weren't just slaves but were in fact Kings and Queens. He couldn't wait to go tell it....but! Massa shut the door and locked it. Then blew Richard up. Why? We know why.

For me, history have shown over and over that no matter how high tech a civilization is, it still can be overthrown and its advanced knowledge can easily be snatched, misused and claimed by the conqueror. Many folks don't want to believe that and is why we as Black people are where we are currently...but! JMHO...is all. fro
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That you were inferring that simply because certain people had technology *See Europeans* that this explained the last 600 years of their "conquests" of non Europeans. I just kindly pointed out to you the irony in the fact that those same technologies the European used were invented by the cultures they "conquered".


The Chinese are attributed with the invention of what is now called gunpowder. You cannot have a gun without gunpowder. But did the gun come from China? It is not called firecracker powder.

Maybe it should be called Cracker Powder. LOL

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
You are correct Kweli in that Blacks were "making lemonade out of lemons or playing the hand we were dealt" However, the difference between their mindset then and our mindset now is that Blacks back then focused on selling that lemonade from their own lemonade stands...and they elected to play the hand they were dealt in their own casinos.

Todays agenda for Black folks is all about integration and multi-culturism with very few prominent Blacks offering a dissenting view to this...There is something very wrong with that in and of itself.

We must have a broader view with respect to dealing with the Black condition in our public forums than just focusing on "integrating" which has been our primary focus for the last 40 years.

To the Coco's....Cocoa Starr and Kocolicious respectively....

Cocoa Starr: you make a good point about the ways in which whites subtly displace Blacks and it's happening all around us this whole "multi-cultural" movement being another example. I look forward to listening to the link you provided to the radio blog also.

Kocolicious: what can I say?... I don't know what it is but your posts always make my day....I don't use smiley's that often but as a show of solidarity I will now give you one of your signature fro's..... tfro


appl tfro
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Originally posted by Dissident:
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
You are correct Kweli in that Blacks were "making lemonade out of lemons or playing the hand we were dealt" However, the difference between their mindset then and our mindset now is that Blacks back then focused on selling that lemonade from their own lemonade stands...and they elected to play the hand they were dealt in their own casinos.

Todays agenda for Black folks is all about integration and multi-culturism with very few prominent Blacks offering a dissenting view to this...There is something very wrong with that in and of itself.

We must have a broader view with respect to dealing with the Black condition in our public forums than just focusing on "integrating" which has been our primary focus for the last 40 years.

To the Coco's....Cocoa Starr and Kocolicious respectively....

Cocoa Starr: you make a good point about the ways in which whites subtly displace Blacks and it's happening all around us this whole "multi-cultural" movement being another example. I look forward to listening to the link you provided to the radio blog also.

Kocolicious: what can I say?... I don't know what it is but your posts always make my day....I don't use smiley's that often but as a show of solidarity I will now give you one of your signature fro's..... tfro


appl tfro


co-sign....
I will return to regularly scheduled programming in a second but first I must take a brief intermission and reflect on a few things that are on my mind considering this is the "holidays" and all....

For starters I don't know what is more irritating the fact that an already pagan holiday has been commercialized to be nothing more than a means to keep this overly bloated consumer driven economy going. Or The hypocrisy in the fact that certain segments that uphold this oppressive power structure feel that "tis the season" to provide token relief for a day to people who this system crushes under it's heel for the rest of the year until this season rolls around again.

Case in point since it is the "holiday" I was able to do something I normally don't which is watch some day time T.V. I was amazed at all the feel good programming that was being shown which had some depiction of white "do gooders" aiding some distressed helpless Black folk. I really believe that these images are intentionally produced to propagate the belief that Blacks are in a perpetual state of dependency upon white folks. Even Oprah contributes to this every time she does a show about charity work in Africa.

Now don't get me wrong I applaud her for all the good she has done like building the girls school in South Africa for example. However, I think far too much emphasis is placed on the current poverty in Africa without acknowledging or addressing the root cause of it.

Today there was a show about American kids spending time with African kids and seeing the conditions they were living in such as the kids drinking polluted water. The American kids commented on how disgusting it was and there was even an African American girl who was overcome with grief by the whole scene and mentioned how fortunate her life was comparatively here in the states. In similar past shows I've heard Oprah and other Blacks refer to how "lucky" we are to have been born in the U.S. since our standard of living is so much higher than the Africans.

As I consider black people declaring how glad they are to be born in the U.S.A. I can't help but wonder if our great, great, great, great, great grandparents who were so violently ripped from their homelands would concur with them. I wonder what was going through the minds of my great 5x grandmothers as they sat up at night weeping reminiscing over the lives they had as FREE women in AFRICA in comparison to their lives of BONDAGE here in the "good ole" U.S. of A.

I wonder if it ever occured to them that they would one day produce descendant's who would be so mentally removed from the HORRORS that they suffered would unlike them actually be GLAD to have been born here despite the DESPICABLE legacy which took place to make it all possible. With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.

It should NEVER be forgotten that it took too much BLACK BLOOD, SWEAT and TEARS for any of us to sit on our duffs and just be simply "glad" to be here.... we should be OUTRAGED and DISGUSTED at the circumstances which occurred that placed us here DESPITE our high "standard of living." I completely understand the point some of us are making regarding cultural practices in SOME of the African countries that seem primative to us now. However, these practices are not that far removed from the barbaric things that happened right here in the U.S. 150 years ago. To the extent that Europe and America have "advanced" beyond such antiquated practices they OWE it to the AFRICAN continent and it's vast WEALTH of human and natural resources that they so FIENDISHLY stole in order to enrich themselves to the point that now they are no longer even viewed as barbaric....even by those who they MOST victimized.

So my people instead of simply being glad to be here how about being glad that Blacks are now for the first time in nearly 400 years able to begin thinking for ourselves and we NO longer need to link our happiness to "good ole massuh" and NO longer need to think along the lines of "I sho is glad to be in the massuh's house." We can actually start creating the PLAN and taking the ACTION necessary to build back up our OWN house....which is a TRUE reason to be glad.[/tirade]


...We now return to our regularly scheduled programming....
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Today there was a show about American kids spending time with African kids and seeing the conditions they were living in such as the kids drinking polluted water. The American kids commented on how disgusting it was and there was even an African American girl who was overcome with grief by the whole scene and mentioned how fortunate her life was comparatively here in the states. In similar past shows I've heard Oprah and other Blacks refer to how "lucky" we are to have been born in the U.S. since our standard of living is so much higher than the Africans.

As I consider black people declaring how glad they are to be born in the U.S.A. I can't help but wonder if our great, great, great, great, great grandparents who were so violently ripped from their homelands would concur with them. I wonder what was going through the minds of my great 5x grandmothers as they sat up at night weeping reminiscing over the lives they had as FREE women in AFRICA in comparison to their lives of BONDAGE here in the "good ole" U.S. of A.

I wonder if it ever occured to them that they would one day produce descendant's who would be so mentally removed from the HORRORS that they suffered would unlike them actually be GLAD to have been born here despite the DESPICABLE legacy which took place to make it all possible. With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.


LD, I wwonder if you are making much ado about nothing in that, IMHO and solely from what you've written, you appear to be mischaracterizing the Black girl's sentiment. Despite her "glad to be born in the US sentiment, don't you think that she was "glad" given her current living environment as opposed to that she saw in Africa? Her sentiment had nothing to do with what brought that community in Africa to its state, nor the evils of america. She saw a bad situation and was glad that she wasn't in it ... PERIOD. And it is disengenuous for any Black person living in america to cite to current and historical wrongs committed against Black folks as a reason to be critical of her sentiment.

Okay ... Back to our regularly scheduled programming....
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We must have a broader view with respect to dealing with the Black condition in our public forums than just focusing on "integrating" which has been our primary focus for the last 40 years.


I agree, but question ..., why do you limit this to "Our Public Forums"? I would far rather us talk integration in public, while working toward building a separate, sustainable economic infrastructure.

We do not/should not announce to the other man our intentions ... It is none of his business.
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.



fro Not only do many of us suffer from the stockholm syndrome, we also suffer from the "crabs in a barrell" syndrome in that we do NOT support the efforts and achievements of our african american counterparts....AND will do all that we can to sabbotage each other to prevent one from getting in front of the other in terms of progress/success. I see this ALL the time. And is why many of us are where we are in education, personal and community accomplishments. fro
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
The Chinese are attributed with the invention of what is now called gunpowder. You cannot have a gun without gunpowder. But did the gun come from China? It is not called firecracker powder.

Maybe it should be called Cracker Powder. LOL

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It's true that the Chinese were not looking for a "gunpowder" per se when they discovered it...actually ancient Chinese alchemists were seeking an "elixir of immortality". They just so happened to stumble across the explosive concoction that would later be called gun powder.

However, the Chinese did indeed notice the military potential of gunpowder soon after and invented firearms, rockets, bombs, etc (not just fireworks) centuries before the European.
Now earlier when I said of the Europeans that...

"They used China's technology against them also by weaponizing gun powder in ways that the Chinese were simply too civilized to even think of. The British used it's naval gun ships to force the Chinese to buy opium when it no longer wanted to engage in "free trade"....

I was pointing out the fact that even though China clearly had a huge technological leap it never took advantage of this to invade another country or violate a trade agreement in ways similar to the aforementioned barbaric British.

Although the term "Cracker powder" is comical...
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
LD, I wwonder if you are making much ado about nothing in that, IMHO and solely from what you've written, you appear to be mischaracterizing the Black girl's sentiment. Despite her "glad to be born in the US sentiment, don't you think that she was "glad" given her current living environment as opposed to that she saw in Africa? Her sentiment had nothing to do with what brought that community in Africa to its state, nor the evils of america. She saw a bad situation and was glad that she wasn't in it ... PERIOD. And it is disengenuous for any Black person living in america to cite to current and historical wrongs committed against Black folks as a reason to be critical of her sentiment.


Kweli, don't take the fact that I mentioned the Black girls sentiment that I'm in any way criticizing her personally . In fact I believe that her sentiment was proper based on the information she had available to her. The problem I have though is the limited information that is available to her (and all of us for that matter) with regard to WHY it is that Africa being by far the RICHEST continent on EARTH and is home to the worlds MOST precious resources it's people are living in such squalor?

Africa produces nearly 80 percent of the world's platinum, more than 40 percent of its diamonds and more a fifth of its gold and cobalt, yet its industrial base was "insignificant"....it possesses about 10 percent of the world's global supply of freshwater resources enough to provide every family in Africa with all the fresh water they need... YET we see Africans drinking from Polluted rivers....Why is that? Could it be that the very same multi-national corporations that would sponsor a show like Oprah's which portrays the poverty of the "po' Africans" are the very same ones that are complicit in causing and maintaining said poverty.

So to answer your latter rhetorical question...yes it would be disengenuous for any Black person living in America to be critical of the girls sentiment if that was the sole object of their issues.

Clearly, that is not what I'm saying my problem is with the overall veil of planned ignorance that produces the mentality that somehow Africa's poverty exists in a bubble and that Europe and America's wealth is not a DIRECT result of what has been STOLEN from Africa. When you create this illustion you feed both the white supremacist mentality AND the equally enraging patronizing white ultra-liberal mentality that "Blacks just simply can't make it on their own... they need our help".

Unfortunately, far too many of us have bought into these mentalities particularly the latter...which is why the Black girl could only see the Africans as objects of her pity and being glad she was not in their shoes as opposed to viewing them as co-victims in the SAME oppressive system that keeps her people 2nd class citizens in the states also...despite our "high standard of living"...

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Okay ... Back to our regularly scheduled programming....
tfro

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We must have a broader view with respect to dealing with the Black condition in our public forums than just focusing on "integrating" which has been our primary focus for the last 40 years.


I agree, but question ..., why do you limit this to "Our Public Forums"? I would far rather us talk integration in public, while working toward building a separate, sustainable economic infrastructure.

We do not/should not announce to the other man our intentions ... It is none of his business.


I don't believe that I was "limiting" this to public forums if anything I'm talking about EXPANDING there have been excellent points made on these forums that support true Black independence yet it's not part of our public agenda. I think we can do both and they are not mutually exclusive of each other...Besides if you don't think that the "other man" already knows about these types of discussions you're kidding yourself... it's no big secret.

Since the days of slavery whenever Blacks came together as a group seeking separation and independence there was always either a white or a couple of coons in the midst...we clearly have both on this very site so that's nothing new. The key is just not to allow the goals to be side tracked so I really don't give a damn what the "other man" knows...
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Since the days of slavery whenever Blacks came together as a group seeking separation and independence there was always either a white or a couple of coons in the midst...we clearly have both on this very site so that's nothing new. The key is just not to allow the goals to be side tracked so I really don't give a damn what the "other man" knows...


appl Bravo

tell it like it is, my brother tfro

go on wit yo baaaad self Wink
I hope I've made myself clear with my statement above about the broader issue I have which is what we've been taught not so much our sentiment based on it. So let's get back to the subject at hand....

Moving right along.....

There are some fundamental TRUTHS about black people in general that we MUST all accept. One truth is that we as a people are NOT nor have we ever been a truly PROACTIVE people we are by in large a REACTIVE people. Had we been a proactive people when the good LORD saw fit to bless us with the FIRST and GREATEST civilations known to man we would have took our advanced civilation and conquered the Arab when he was still slogging across the desert sands like a NOMAD and the European while he was still crawling out of the CAVES of Europe. Instead we did not and as our civilizations declined theirs was raised up on OUR backs to the point that now we are seeking out THEIR cultures which are only a REPACKAGED version of the one they STOLE from us to begin with. This is the SAD truth about who we are as a people although it PAINS me to admit this because I personally am NOT like this and if it were up to me we would still be on TOP however I am a part of a people who is like this and I've had to reconcile this fact.

So what do we do now? What I am about to say a lot of our people are not going to like but it must be said nonetheless....

Until now most discussions regarding solutions to the black problem have centered around the expectation that blacks will somehow get an epiphany and decide to finally "fix" the problem voluntarily. I'm here to tell you that it's NOT gonna happen like that people. Remember blacks are currently NOT a proactive race so to expect blacks to take such a sweeping initiative without a SEVERE catalyst is wishful thinking at best. We only need to look at the fizzling out of the civil rights movement to prove this fact. One of the main reasons it lost steam was because those blacks who were once at it's forefront and protested the government were offered government JOBS and they opted for those jobs and lost site of the big picture. I mean lets face it carrying a picket sign and singing "we shall over come" doesn't pay the bills so they got theirs and told other blacks to get theirs also. These actions and many others like them ultimately culminated into the formation a "black middle class" that found itself a little more comfortable then it's parents generation so therefore the struggle must be over and we have finally "arrived" nothing else to do now but load up the station wagon, move to the "burbs" and let these less fortunate "ghetto negroes" fend for themselves.

This is an example of how we impose divisive tactics on ourselves by thinking just because we are a little better off than our poorer brothers and sisters we can almost begin to see them as another race and loose sight of any commonality with them. So that is why those of us who are the most fortunate among our people don't do more to help the "black problem" because it's a hard thing to do when you don't PERSONALLY identify with it. While some of us may racially identify with being black (can't avoid that it's evident whenever one looks in the mirror) however if black in your mind also =poor but you are well off then... ummm not so much.

What will it take to change all this? like a said earlier a SEVERE catalyst.... there is INDEED a gathering storm of socio-econmic conditions that are poised to hit Black America that will FORCE us to finally unite as one. There is a socio-economic KATRINA headed STRAIGHT for the Black community in this country and theres not a GOT DAMN thing that Obama or anyone else representing this government can or will do about it. We are going to have to cut this B.S. individualism out once and for all. Blacks have never really been a individual based group culturally it's not in our NATURE we have been sold a bill of goods it's called DIVIDE and CONQUER. The sooner we as a GROUP realize this THEN we will begin to appreciate one another once we realize we are all we got. Do you ever notice how only after someone DIES or some other TRAGEDY that black families come together?... well our RACIAL/ETHNIC family is no different. Once we see ourselves as parts of the same whole we will begin to take the control back from the CRIMINAL ELEMENTS, THUGGARY and NIGGERISM that plague our people from WITHIN.... Then weed them out and DESTROY them (who are the true sellouts) instead of making them "heroes" idolizing and protecting them with things like "no snitching codes". After this is achieved we can move on and will be better at dealing with those extraneous things that plague us such as white racism.

What the black diaspora is heading for in the coming years will be HARSH yet NECESSARY for us to finally function as a people once and for all. If at the end of all this we can have sincere love and RESPECT for one another then it will all be worthwhile. Where there is no PAIN there is no GAIN and our people will once again shine like the diamond we are but you cannot have a diamond without PRESSURE.
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.



fro Not only do many of us suffer from the stockholm syndrome, we also suffer from the "crabs in a barrell" syndrome in that we do NOT support the efforts and achievements of our african american counterparts....AND will do all that we can to sabbotage each other to prevent one from getting in front of the other in terms of progress/success. I see this ALL the time. And is why many of us are where we are in education, personal and community accomplishments. fro



Sista Koco, it's funny you should mention this because it ties right into the next series of links that I planned to post. Below is a video of speakers Bob Law and Claud Anderson addressing some very important issues at a conference early last year. Pay close attention to what Dr. Law says about how Black issues are being taken off the table and how we need to reverse this. Pay attention also to what Dr. Anderson says about education and how it should REALLY be used...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHPcHj21yJ0
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.



fro Not only do many of us suffer from the stockholm syndrome, we also suffer from the "crabs in a barrell" syndrome in that we do NOT support the efforts and achievements of our african american counterparts....AND will do all that we can to sabbotage each other to prevent one from getting in front of the other in terms of progress/success. I see this ALL the time. And is why many of us are where we are in education, personal and community accomplishments. fro



Sista Koco, it's funny you should mention this because it ties right into the next series of links that I planned to post. Below is a video of speakers Bob Law and Claud Anderson addressing some very important issues at a conference early last year. Pay close attention to what Dr. Law says about how Black issues are being taken off the table and how we need to reverse this. Pay attention also to what Dr. Anderson says about education and how it should REALLY be used...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHPcHj21yJ0


Good video

It made me think of why I don't listen to Michael Baisden's radio show anymore. It used to be that his show was one of my favorites, he would discuss current black issues, black interests & injustice, black business, black health, etc.,

AND entertain all in one swoop.

nowadays, however, he has put this all aside to & I quote "reach people of all colors." I realize this is a business move on his part but the problem I have is black issues/news/interests being set aside to appeal to an audience of "people of all colors."

He has stated that he doesn't want his show to be considered "Black radio". Eek

and even advertised for 'white friends' for one whole week. This turned me off.

Anyway, I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.

Yes, it is all about 'individualism' with black people because THAT is what we have been taught to embrace.
Like I said in the immigration mexican thread, if 'we' do and work for that which is in our interest, we are [called] nationalist, reverse-racist, militants and that other bullcrap. Letting psy-ops compromise where we need and can go as a community.

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I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.


This reminds me of a conversation I had regarding multiculturalism in the class. I said to and individual that I was against it, strongly even, because it meant somebody's cultured was gonna get short changed. Who's culture is first to get a 'raw deal'?

I later told the individual that I am however, for one becoming a multiculturalist. That is, to study different cultures individually.
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.



fro Not only do many of us suffer from the stockholm syndrome, we also suffer from the "crabs in a barrell" syndrome in that we do NOT support the efforts and achievements of our african american counterparts....AND will do all that we can to sabbotage each other to prevent one from getting in front of the other in terms of progress/success. I see this ALL the time. And is why many of us are where we are in education, personal and community accomplishments. fro



Sista Koco, it's funny you should mention this because it ties right into the next series of links that I planned to post. Below is a video of speakers Bob Law and Claud Anderson addressing some very important issues at a conference early last year. Pay close attention to what Dr. Law says about how Black issues are being taken off the table and how we need to reverse this. Pay attention also to what Dr. Anderson says about education and how it should REALLY be used...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHPcHj21yJ0


Good video

It made me think of why I don't listen to Michael Baisden's radio show anymore. It used to be that his show was one of my favorites, he would discuss current black issues, black interests & injustice, black business, black health, etc.,

AND entertain all in one swoop.

nowadays, however, he has put this all aside to & I quote "reach people of all colors." I realize this is a business move on his part but the problem I have is black issues/news/interests being set aside to appeal to an audience of "people of all colors."

He has stated that he doesn't want his show to be considered "Black radio". Eek

and even advertised for 'white friends' for one whole week. This turned me off.

Anyway, I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.

Yes, it is all about 'individualism' with black people because THAT is what we have been taught to embrace.


Part of the reason that a radio show like Michael Baisden's... and other businesses that should cater exclusively to Blacks feel they need to reach a "multi cultural" audience. Is because there is no strong Black ethno-centric economic infrastructure in this country. Many Black businsses find themselves trying to expand their markets simply because it's a necessity to stay in business. Other cultures such as asians and hispanics have strong enough ethno-centric markets that they can expand into other communities (namely ours) without negatively effecting their own.
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Originally posted by Raptor:
Like I said in the immigration mexican thread, if 'we' do and work for that which is in our interest, we are [called] nationalist, reverse-racist, militants and that other bullcrap. Letting psy-ops compromise where we need and can go as a community.

quote:
I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.


This reminds me of a conversation I had regarding multiculturalism in the class. I said to and individual that I was against it, strongly even, because it meant somebody's cultured was gonna get short changed. Who's culture is first to get a 'raw deal'?

I later told the individual that I am however, for one becoming a multiculturalist. That is, to study different cultures individually.



Raptor, I think you are correct in that being 'multi-cultural' in ones pursuits should be regulated only to personal studies and individual growth. I personally enjoy learning about other culture's I think it makes for a well rounded person. However, for a group of people to put 'multi-culturalism' above their own rational self interest is suicide.

Speaking of the whole Black/Latino "alliance" thing by the way. There was a point in time that Blacks (when we were the majority minority) could have extracted some kind of benefit by dealing with Latino's.

What's different now than in the past is that Blacks are now being BOXED IN slowly but SURELY into a FORCED state coopertive survival whether they know it or not. Blacks have reached a CRITICAL MASS in their spiritual and socio-economic existence in this country. Let me break this down to you... there are FUNDAMENTAL changes that are going to take place in this country over the next 10-20 years that will render blacks a PERMANENT underclass... and nothing less than blacks doing a COMPLETE 180 and cutting out all the B.S. and or DIVINE INTERVENTION will prevent this.

Why would I say such a HARSH thing? lets look at the facts...Since we were brought here Blacks have "enjoyed" for lack of a better term the status as the MAJOR minority. In the past this has worked for us because we were the loudest voice complaining so the white power structure had to at least toss us a few crumbs to get us to shut up. Now the loudest voice complaining has a SPANISH accent so the white power base is more inclined to toss THEM those crumbs previously designated for blacks and they GLADLY eat it up with a side of salsa.

The so called "black leaders" are in part to blame for this to and they have their hand in the "salsa bowl" also. Because these idiots have sold the LIE to blacks that hispanics are our "Latino brothers and sisters" and somehow our destinys are linked but NOTHING could be further from the TRUTH. Latinos see Blacks for the most part as a COMPETITOR that must be REPLACED this is their agenda. All of their organizations from street gangs to the "National Council of La Raza" (for those who don't know "La Raza" means the RACE and you can bet your last money they aint talking about black folk) are COMMITED to this.

To a large degree they have been successful with this already by shifting the national debate. When was the last time you saw a national forum discussing "Black issues"? Now it's ALL about "immigration reform". Hispanics and Asians are projected to DOUBLE their populations in this country over the next 10-20 years. One cannot and must not underestimate the negative implications that this has for the already struggling Black community in this country.

The reason I say these things is because it is the HARSH truth and out of tough LOVE for my people. We can ill afford SUGAR COATING at this juncture. So unlike the past Blacks can no longer take the easy way out and they MUST start FINALLY acting like a SINGLE and UNIFIED race and cut out all this "I'm just gonna do me" nonsense. You see my friend the party is already OVER but blacks are still just dancing around to the music left in their brain.
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by Fabulous:
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
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Originally posted by Kocolicious:
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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With this HORRENDOUS legacy of how black people have been threated in THIS country for some of us to take this position to me is tantamount to KIDNAPPED members of a community that was PILLAGED, RAPED, and BURNED being "glad" that they are now in the PILLAGERS and RAPISTS house because their former community is now in such a mess...It's called STOCKHOLM SYNDROME and we as a people suffer from it big time.



fro Not only do many of us suffer from the stockholm syndrome, we also suffer from the "crabs in a barrell" syndrome in that we do NOT support the efforts and achievements of our african american counterparts....AND will do all that we can to sabbotage each other to prevent one from getting in front of the other in terms of progress/success. I see this ALL the time. And is why many of us are where we are in education, personal and community accomplishments. fro



Sista Koco, it's funny you should mention this because it ties right into the next series of links that I planned to post. Below is a video of speakers Bob Law and Claud Anderson addressing some very important issues at a conference early last year. Pay close attention to what Dr. Law says about how Black issues are being taken off the table and how we need to reverse this. Pay attention also to what Dr. Anderson says about education and how it should REALLY be used...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHPcHj21yJ0


Good video

It made me think of why I don't listen to Michael Baisden's radio show anymore. It used to be that his show was one of my favorites, he would discuss current black issues, black interests & injustice, black business, black health, etc.,

AND entertain all in one swoop.

nowadays, however, he has put this all aside to & I quote "reach people of all colors." I realize this is a business move on his part but the problem I have is black issues/news/interests being set aside to appeal to an audience of "people of all colors."

He has stated that he doesn't want his show to be considered "Black radio". Eek

and even advertised for 'white friends' for one whole week. This turned me off.

Anyway, I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.

Yes, it is all about 'individualism' with black people because THAT is what we have been taught to embrace.


Part of the reason that a radio show like Michael Baisden's... and other businesses that should cater exclusively to Blacks feel they need to reach a "multi cultural" audience. Is because there is no strong Black ethno-centric economic infrastructure in this country. Many Black businsses find themselves trying to expand their markets simply because it's a necessity to stay in business. Other cultures such as asians and hispanics have strong enough ethno-centric markets that they can expand into other communities (namely ours) without negatively effecting their own.


With all that black folk have contributed to this country, THAT is a sad state of affairs.
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
quote:
Originally posted by Raptor:
Like I said in the immigration mexican thread, if 'we' do and work for that which is in our interest, we are [called] nationalist, reverse-racist, militants and that other bullcrap. Letting psy-ops compromise where we need and can go as a community.

quote:
I can see how this 'mulit-culture' thing is being pushed on black ppl., and if a blk person prefers more of a BLACK theme they are sometimes deemed racist.


This reminds me of a conversation I had regarding multiculturalism in the class. I said to and individual that I was against it, strongly even, because it meant somebody's cultured was gonna get short changed. Who's culture is first to get a 'raw deal'?

I later told the individual that I am however, for one becoming a multiculturalist. That is, to study different cultures individually.



Raptor, I think you are correct in that being 'multi-cultural' in ones pursuits should be regulated only to personal studies and individual growth. I personally enjoy learning about other culture's I think it makes for a well rounded person. However, for a group of people to put 'multi-culturalism' above their own rational self interest is suicide.

Speaking of the whole Black/Latino "alliance" thing by the way. There was a point in time that Blacks (when we were the majority minority) could have extracted some kind of benefit by dealing with Latino's.

What's different now than in the past is that Blacks are now being BOXED IN slowly but SURELY into a FORCED state coopertive survival whether they know it or not. Blacks have reached a CRITICAL MASS in their spiritual and socio-economic existence in this country. Let me break this down to you... there are FUNDAMENTAL changes that are going to take place in this country over the next 10-20 years that will render blacks a PERMANENT underclass... and nothing less than blacks doing a COMPLETE 180 and cutting out all the B.S. and or DIVINE INTERVENTION will prevent this.

Why would I say such a HARSH thing? lets look at the facts...Since we were brought here Blacks have "enjoyed" for lack of a better term the status as the MAJOR minority. In the past this has worked for us because we were the loudest voice complaining so the white power structure had to at least toss us a few crumbs to get us to shut up. Now the loudest voice complaining has a SPANISH accent so the white power base is more inclined to toss THEM those crumbs previously designated for blacks and they GLADLY eat it up with a side of salsa.

The so called "black leaders" are in part to blame for this to and they have their hand in the "salsa bowl" also. Because these idiots have sold the LIE to blacks that hispanics are our "Latino brothers and sisters" and somehow our destinys are linked but NOTHING could be further from the TRUTH. Latinos see Blacks for the most part as a COMPETITOR that must be REPLACED this is their agenda. All of their organizations from street gangs to the "National Council of La Raza" (for those who don't know "La Raza" means the RACE and you can bet your last money they aint talking about black folk) are COMMITED to this.

To a large degree they have been successful with this already by shifting the national debate. When was the last time you saw a national forum discussing "Black issues"? Now it's ALL about "immigration reform". Hispanics and Asians are projected to DOUBLE their populations in this country over the next 10-20 years. One cannot and must not underestimate the negative implications that this has for the already struggling Black community in this country.

The reason I say these things is because it is the HARSH truth and out of tough LOVE for my people. We can ill afford SUGAR COATING at this juncture. So unlike the past Blacks can no longer take the easy way out and they MUST start FINALLY acting like a SINGLE and UNIFIED race and cut out all this "I'm just gonna do me" nonsense. You see my friend the party is already OVER but blacks are still just dancing around to the music left in their brain.


black folk are not paying attention to what's right in front of them. instead, we are forever trying to 'fit in' to be accepted by the masses.

Too many of us are of the mind-set, "It's not about race". .

when... in fact ...it IS about 'race'.

What a sad legacy to leave for black children: permanent underclass. Frown

I don't want this for my child OR black children, period. This is why I keep checking this thread.

because every video you post or words of wisdom/knowledge & insight, I am passing along to my peeps.
@LieDecrypter. . .

I was talking to my younger brother the other day about some of what I've read in your thread thus far (he has also seen the videos you posted). . .

he's all fired up but I had to laugh when he said, "we need to start our own organization with people who think like we do, who want to see black people progress as a group" (or something to that effect)

Hey, he's my youngest brother. . .he usually pays attention when he's trying to hit on one of my friends. (I'm kidding, sort of) 4

Anyway, I wasn't laughing because I thought what he said was funny, I laughed because I had a 'link' to share with him. 3

I'm sure I speak for others (who are also open to this discussion & the information) when I say. . .

the time you have put into this thread/topic is much appreciated. tfro
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when... in fact ...it IS about 'race'.

What a sad legacy to leave for black children: permanent underclass.

I don't want this for my child OR black children, period. This is why I keep checking this thread.


Is there a Black physics?

Is there a Black mathematics?

Relevant knowledge is just another piece in the power game. Do you trust your enemy to give you the pieces? The White people don't even mak accounting mandatory for the White kids. What gets called education is a joke.

But that Powernomics was a really thick book to say almost nothing about technology. Economics without technology in 2008? That is a joke too.

That will result in a permanent underclass.

um
Then in the 1970's, the City fathers bulldozed the entire community to build a convention center. They called it Urban Renewal.---K4R

That's the way it was done all over the nation.

In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania The Housing Authority told the African American community that in exchange for them agreeing to their neighborhoods being demolished a housing project would be constructed in which the displaced families would be given first priority to rent.

What was real?

They had to fight...LIKE HELL...just to get on the list for a unit.

THEN...The A.M.E. Church congregation was persuaded that they should sell their church to the city (The Houasing Authority) for the 'betterment of the city' (Urban Renewal)

What was real?

The city sold the land to The Catholic Diocese...down the street to expand their parking lot, and to a local chapter of The Teamsters Union for construction of a union hall.

The congregation struggled for 40 years, and only recently through the philanthropy of member who had a windfall.

In Pittsburgh, The Lower Hill District, 'torn out'...The North Side 20 years later.

In 'The Lower Hill District, the city construction The Civic Arena with a retractable roof...for Civic Light Opera under the stars, and a hoof for The Pittsburgh Penguins (hockey), and a minor league basketball franchise.

The displaced people...AND THEIR BUSINESSES...WHICH WERE THRIVING...WERE ON THEIR OWN!!!!!!!!

Ulitmately, the remaining homes were attacked with gentrification.

The displaced could not afford the replacement housing.


The community now has no 'core'.

They are in projects all over town.

An inmigration from east coast cities is now expanding those communities.

But...THEY ARE NOT LIKE THE LOCAL FOLKS.

They are a 'different breed'.

The cry now is look what is happening to our 'little town'!!!!!!!!

It was crime-ridden from the git!!!!!!!!!

PEACE

Jim Chester
Originally posted by LieDecrypter
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The so called "black leaders" are in part to blame for this to and they have their hand in the "salsa bowl" also. Because these idiots have sold the LIE to blacks that hispanics are our "Latino brothers and sisters" and somehow our destinys are linked but NOTHING could be further from the TRUTH. Latinos see Blacks for the most part as a COMPETITOR that must be REPLACED this is their agenda. All of their organizations from street gangs to the "National Council of La Raza" (for those who don't know "La Raza" means the RACE and you can bet your last money they aint talking about black folk) are COMMITED to this.

To a large degree they have been successful with this already by shifting the national debate. When was the last time you saw a national forum discussing "Black issues"? Now it's ALL about "immigration reform". Hispanics and Asians are projected to DOUBLE their populations in this country over the next 10-20 years. One cannot and must not underestimate the negative implications that this has for the already struggling Black community in this country.

The reason I say these things is because it is the HARSH truth and out of tough LOVE for my people. We can ill afford SUGAR COATING at this juncture. So unlike the past Blacks can no longer take the easy way out and they MUST start FINALLY acting like a SINGLE and UNIFIED race and cut out all this "I'm just gonna do me" nonsense. You see my friend the party is already OVER but blacks are still just dancing around to the music left in their brain.


fro I totally agree Brotha LD. This "I'm gonna do me" is destroying our culture. I remember growing up how everyone watched over each other's children. Couldn't do nothing as a kid. If I smoked a cigeratte in the alley with my friends....by the time I got home everyone on my block including my mother knew about it.

I'm just an optimist when it comes to my people...and looking at our history and what we have accomplished with NOTHING...I just feel with this newer generation of youth it just got to turn around....but! We have soooooooooooo many social hangups...from being colorstroked to being jealous/envious [with each other] regarding the most stupid things[and unfortunately we are passing this nonsense onto our unsuspecting children].....we desperately need to get over this. I know our potential and is why I work HARD with children [the ones no one wants] to keep reminding them of our excellence.

A lot of blackfolks, though, DO NOT WANT to do the work necessary to make this happen. They want to rest on their laurels[and talk about it]....and almost like a video....watch it unfold instantly without liftng a voice or finger. Many have been LAZY in thought and action. And priorities are soooooooo ridiculous/twisted. We need to get BACK to the basic of being "BLACK" first. And know what it means. Many either have forgotten or pretending to be something they are NOT!

So. I hear ya. And hopefully through this media and other commuication measures we can send out the message: Time is NOW...cuz NEVER will be forever......for us and our descendents. Great topic Brotha LD.tfro fro
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when... in fact ...it IS about 'race'.

What a sad legacy to leave for black children: permanent underclass.

I don't want this for my child OR black children, period. This is why I keep checking this thread.


Is there a Black physics?

Is there a Black mathematics?

Relevant knowledge is just another piece in the power game. Do you trust your enemy to give you the pieces? The White people don't even mak accounting mandatory for the White kids. What gets called education is a joke.

But that Powernomics was a really thick book to say almost nothing about technology. Economics without technology in 2008? That is a joke too.

That will result in a permanent underclass.

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So what do you suggest that we do?

I'm referring to those of us who want to 'do' something before it's too late? OR, are you suggesting it IS 'already' too late?
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So what do you suggest that we do?

I'm referring to those of us who want to 'do' something before it's too late? OR, are you suggesting it IS 'already' too late?


I have been talking about a recommended reading list for I don't know how long. I spent 4 months trying to get a Black librarian to get a book about electronics in stock.

http://destee.com/forums/showp...p=505484&postcount=9

http://africanamerica.org/eve/...911078853#4911078853

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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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So what do you suggest that we do?

I'm referring to those of us who want to 'do' something before it's too late? OR, are you suggesting it IS 'already' too late?


I have been talking about a recommended reading list for I don't know how long. I spent 4 months trying to get a Black librarian to get a book about electronics in stock.

http://destee.com/forums/showp...p=505484&postcount=9

http://africanamerica.org/eve/...911078853#4911078853

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I wasn't aware of your reading list but I 'will' check it out.

Thanks tfro

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