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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
Mr. Chester...
You will have to show me a link to your flag again... I don't think I saw it...
Mr. Chester, How can you have a nationality without a nation? How can you have a nation without self-determination - aka sovereignty?
What's the use of a name - national identity - and a flag if it is not a symbol of that sovereignty??
Notice in the Native American posts...
their sovereignty was compared to that of the 50 contiguous (if you will) states of the Union. Neither of those states are wholly INDEPENDENT yet they have "separate" function and authority over those that are "citizens" of their states and, for the Native Americans, they have authority or autonomy over their population.
You are correct that Native Americans were sovereign nations before America was formed. Likewise, our African ancestors were foreign nationals - aka representatives of sovereign African states - and never gave up their rights to such.
What you are saying is that you prefer to be governed by White people. That's what you're saying. ADMIT IT! You whole national identity is just a charade, a dress up thing to pretend to be a real self-respecting person!
I can understand all the criticism in the world about feasibility of what I've proposed but to act like it has no basis for the reasons you've presented shows a high level of content for our current condition and contempt for a real liberating theory whether fully organized or not.
What's your plan?
Wave your newly created flag over the nothingness that we control?
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If we have differences, let us differ in the closet; when we come out in front, let us not have anything to argue about until we get finished arguing with the man." - MALCOLM X
Nmaginate:
I think I lost one of your postings. It was good. I thought my response was on target. I hit the button. It disappeared, and never came back. I told MBM. He said the site has been "acting up." Anyway.
The link: http://www.iaanh2.org
The nation is African America. I guess you are saying it isn't in the sense that it doesn't exist. I say it is. The framers of the (U.S.) Constitution delineated and described its occupants and defined their value. They went on to regulate their entrance into the country, and place a federal value on each person's entry. Subsequent amendments adjusted their place in the greater society, and authorized the passage of legislation to further manage descendants. They defined it. I simply gave it a name --- African America. I live there. It is where I am "from." It is sovereign in the conduct of its own (internal) affairs.
The Indian Nations are comparable to the States of the United States. All of those States that participated in The Revolutionary War are sovereign and condition as such in the agreement (The Treaty of Paris of 1783) ending that war. I believe most,if not all of the subsequent States are also sovereign entities. They can leave "The Perpetual Union" any time they decide. Texas certainly is. In fact, it is the only State that joined "The Union" as an independent and sovereign nation.
Our African ancestors were certainly "foreign nationals" (aliens) --- from some other place. They did not however "represent" anyone, or anything. The rights they had when they were brought here in their former nations were nil. Most were slaves in the nations from which they left. You is correct. It does not matter. The RIGHT to sovereignty is inherent in man.
EXCUSE ME?!! Charade? "dress up to pretend to be a self-respecting person!" That's cute. You worked real hard for that. Personal attack seems to be your default mode. What's that about? Validation.
Nmaginate, that's "Charlie's Rap." I beat that with the help of the first African American-American I knew --- who knew who he was. I was 17. I thank regularly. Next.
I happen to agree with your concept. Believe it or not, I have written such an a approach, not a plan, to look at longterm viability for my declaration. I criticize your order of things. I think it is backwards. I think that to "get there" requires sovereignty-of-identity, if you will, before plan legislative bodies, and consulates, etc. I don't know how long it will take for it to happen my way. Since the process requires a person-by-person, family-by-family decision. But, I am on my way.
Are you saying, if its not your way, it is an expression of contempt for "a real liberating theory?" You can't be that vain.
My plan --- is to continue to hoor my flag for African America over all that it represents.
I am not a recruiter. I will tell anyone if the subject, and maybe even on the slightest pretext.
PEACE
Jim Chester
JWC