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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
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No. No. You missed it. Only sovereign entities can enter treaties.
Mr. Chester...
My whole presentation (for lack of a better term) by citing the U.N. Convenants is to state that we have the basis and right to self-determination and can derive sovereignty from our status as a "people" or minority with the self-definition and will to govern ourselves.
Remeber you brought up the Native Americans as a classical example of "nation[s] within a nation". Then, of course, you would try to wiggle out of that when I used that example to highlight as case & point of what I'm saying. YOU CONTRADICTED YOURSELF...
How do you expect me to view your opinion as honest if you don't stand by what you say?
You tripped over my synonym for your word SUZERAIN - i.e. semi-autonomous. I had never heard or seen that word used before so I had to look it up. I just looked it up on my computer and an even clear definition appears to make those words, in fact, the same with semi-autonomous being perhaps the lesser of the two._SUZERAIN: (definition)_
+ __a dominant state controlling _ the foreign relations of _a vassal state but allowing it sovereign authority in its internal affairs _ _ Mr. Chester, that would be almost exactly the type of arrangement I would seek for us a Stolen People, with a Defined Identity, and Definite Claim to a unique status heretofore unrecognized and disregarded.
Please... if you are going to use 'obscure' terms (obscure to me at least... though one of the primary definitions refered to Feudal relations or the OVERLORD function...) at least know the definition and applied the word correctly.
You make it so very hard to talk to you. I hope you know that. At least be honest and upfront. If you don't like 'my' idea because you love White people and never want to see Black people rule over their own affairs say so instead of coming up with idiotic excuses to say its not desirable.
Not feasible, I can understand...
But your arguments and the great inconsistencies in them hints of something more than a critique. And you know it.
If I'm so wrong about the validity of our rightful claim to sovereignty via the right to self-determination then why are there a number of people who believe there is such a thing, such a notion?
Nmaginate:
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we have the basis and right to self-determination and can derive sovereignty from our status as a "people" or minority with the self-definition and will to govern ourselves."
I AGREE.
On the description of Indian Nations: If I was wiggling, I didn't feel it. Indian Nations are sovereign now, and have always been.
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_SUZERAIN: (definition)_
+ __a dominant state controlling _ the foreign relations of _a vassal state but allowing it sovereign authority in its internal affairs _ _ Mr. Chester, that would be almost exactly the type of arrangement I would seek for us a Stolen People, with a Defined Identity, and Definite Claim to a unique status heretofore unrecognized and disregarded.
Please... if you are going to use 'obscure' terms (obscure to me at least... though one of the primary definitions refered to Feudal relations or the OVERLORD function...) at least know the definition and applied the word correctly.
I THINK I DID.
I addressed this issue is an earlier posting. We in African America are at liberty to control our internal affairs as long as they don't exceed the limits, among which is one is foreign affairs, of the controlling entity --- the United States. There is to subtrefuge intended here. I think this is the most important issue any two Americans of unknown African ancestry can talk about.
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You make it so very hard to talk to you. I hope you know that. At least be honest and upfront. If you don't like 'my' idea because you love White people and never want to see Black people rule over their own affairs say so instead of coming up with idiotic excuses to say its not desirable.
Not feasible, I can understand...
But your arguments and the great inconsistencies in them hints of something more than a critique. And you know it.
If I'm so wrong about the validity of our rightful claim to sovereignty via the right to self-determination then why are there a number of people who believe there is such a thing, such a notion?
It is not your idea I don't like. Typically, I see only bits and pieces of your idea which you inject almost as accents to other subjects. I agree with your idea in concept. I disagree with it in its order of things. It seems to have the "cart before the horse."
I'm not going to answer your imply charge about white people. If you suppositon of my relationship to white people is as you imply, then you haven't read even half of what I have written. I am however willing to send you a copy of my book "The African American Ethnicity" --- if you think it would be useful.
I don't make "excuses" to you or anyone else. Whether they call themselves "Black" or White" and with or with capital letters. Nor do I have to.
I do not believe your are wrong about the right to sovereignty, nor is it wrong to determine it within your own recognizance. That is what I am all about. I have told you this repeatedly from our first exchange. Sovereignty is the single-word defintion for self-determination. It is typically, however, applied to nations. I would expand on that, but in this forum it is not appropriate. We are on the same page.
Critique is my intent. I would just you personally, or the value of your decisions to you. I will disagree. I will give you a reason for that disagreement. To me, that is what productive discussion is all about.
When we finally admit we agree, this board is going to crash!! Admit it. There's hope. You did give up the "hyphen." I have been re-reading "Souls of Black Folk" by W.E.B. DuBois in its 2003 edition. The guy who did the "Introduction" uses African American, and African America. He never uses a hyphen!! Believe me, it is the natural resolution of our political circumstance. Nmaginate, there is no hyphen in North Carolina, South Carolina, The Dakotas, New Mexico, Rhode Island, and on, and on. There is no hyphen in African America. It is a place. It is a place.
PEACE
Jim Chester
JWC