Tim Wise - Anti-Racist Activist




Let’s play a game, shall we?


The name of the game is called “Imagine.” The way it’s played is simple: we’ll envision recent happenings in the news, but then change them up a bit. Instead of envisioning white people as the main actors in the scenes we’ll conjure - the ones who are driving the action - we’ll envision black folks or other people of color instead. The object of the game is to imagine the public reaction to the events or incidents, if the main actors were of color, rather than white. Whoever gains the most insight into the workings of race in America, at the end of the game, wins.


So let’s begin.


Imagine that hundreds of black protesters were to descend upon Washington DC and Northern Virginia, just a few miles from the Capitol and White House, armed with AK-47s, assorted handguns, and ammunition. And imagine that some of these protesters —the black protesters — spoke of the need for political revolution, and possibly even armed conflict in the event that laws they didn’t like were enforced by the government? Would these protester — these black protesters with guns — be seen as brave defenders of the Second Amendment, or would they be viewed by most whites as a danger to the republic?


What if they were Arab-Americans? Because, after all, that’s what happened recently when white gun enthusiasts descended upon the nation’s capital, arms in hand, and verbally announced their readiness to make war on the country’s political leaders if the need arose.


Imagine that white members of Congress, while walking to work, were surrounded by thousands of angry black people, one of whom proceeded to spit on one of those congressmen for not voting the way the black demonstrators desired. Would the protesters be seen as merely patriotic Americans voicing their opinions, or as an angry, potentially violent, and even insurrectionary mob? After all, this is what white Tea Party protesters did recently in Washington.


Imagine that a rap artist were to say, in reference to a white president: “He’s a piece of shit and I told him to suck on my machine gun.” Because that’s what rocker Ted Nugent said recently about President Obama.


Imagine that a prominent mainstream black political commentator had long employed an overt bigot as Executive Director of his organization, and that this bigot regularly participated in black separatist conferences, and once assaulted a white person while calling them by a racial slur.


When that prominent black commentator and his sister — who also works for the organization — defended the bigot as a good guy who was misunderstood and “going through a tough time in his life” would anyone accept their excuse-making? Would that commentator still have a place on a mainstream network? Because that’s what happened in the real world, when Pat Buchanan employed as Executive Director of his group, America’s Cause, a blatant racist who did all these things, or at least their white equivalents: attending white separatist conferences and attacking a black woman while calling her the n-word.


Imagine that a black radio host were to suggest that the only way to get promoted in the administration of a white president is by “hating black people,” or that a prominent white person had only endorsed a white presidential candidate as an act of racial bonding, or blamed a white president for a fight on a school bus in which a black kid was jumped by two white kids, or said that he wouldn’t want to kill all conservatives, but rather, would like to leave just enough—“living fossils” as he called them—“so we will never forget what these people stood for.” After all, these are things that Rush Limbaugh has said, about Barack Obama’s administration, Colin Powell’s endorsement of Barack Obama, a fight on a school bus in Belleville, Illinois in which two black kids beat up a white kid, and about liberals, generally.


Imagine that a black pastor, formerly a member of the U.S. military, were to declare, as part of his opposition to a white president’s policies, that he was ready to “suit up, get my gun, go to Washington, and do what they trained me to do.” This is, after all, what Pastor Stan Craig said recently at a Tea Party rally in Greenville, South Carolina.


Imagine a black radio talk show host gleefully predicting a revolution by people of color if the government continues to be dominated by the rich white men who have been “destroying” the country, or if said radio personality were to call Christians or Jews non-humans, or say that when it came to conservatives, the best solution would be to “hang ‘em high.” And what would happen to any congressional representative who praised that commentator for “speaking common sense” and likened his hate talk to “American values?” After all, those are among the things said by radio host and best-selling author Michael Savage, predicting white revolution in the face of multiculturalism, or said by Savage about Muslims and liberals, respectively. And it was Congressman Culbertson, from Texas, who praised Savage in that way, despite his hateful rhetoric.


Imagine a black political commentator suggesting that the only thing the guy who flew his plane into the Austin, Texas IRS building did wrong was not blowing up Fox News instead. This is, after all, what Anne Coulter said about Tim McVeigh, when she noted that his only mistake was not blowing up the New York Times.


Imagine that a popular black liberal website posted comments about the daughter of a white president, calling her “typical redneck trash,” or a “whore” whose mother entertains her by “making monkey sounds.” After all that’s comparable to what conservatives posted about Malia Obama on freerepublic.com last year, when they referred to her as “ghetto trash.”


Imagine that black protesters at a large political rally were walking around with signs calling for the lynching of their congressional enemies. Because that’s what white conservatives did last year, in reference to Democratic party leaders in Congress.


In other words, imagine that even one-third of the anger and vitriol currently being hurled at President Obama, by folks who are almost exclusively white, were being aimed, instead, at a white president, by people of color. How many whites viewing the anger, the hatred, the contempt for that white president would then wax eloquent about free speech, and the glories of democracy? And how many would be calling for further crackdowns on thuggish behavior, and investigations into the radical agendas of those same people of color?


To ask any of these questions is to answer them. Protest is only seen as fundamentally American when those who have long had the luxury of seeing themselves as prototypically American engage in it. When the dangerous and dark “other” does so, however, it isn’t viewed as normal or natural, let alone patriotic. Which is why Rush Limbaugh could say, this past week, that the Tea Parties are the first time since the Civil War that ordinary, common Americans stood up for their rights: a statement that erases the normalcy and “American-ness” of blacks in the civil rights struggle, not to mention women in the fight for suffrage and equality, working people in the fight for better working conditions, and LGBT folks as they struggle to be treated as full and equal human beings.

And this, my friends, is what white privilege is all about. The ability to threaten others, to engage in violent and incendiary rhetoric without consequence, to be viewed as patriotic and normal no matter what you do, and never to be feared and despised as people of color would be, if they tried to get away with half the shit we do, on a daily basis.


Game Over.
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If black people decided to do half of the unrighteous things that whites do, JUST HALF, we would definitely be seen as a threat to national security and we'd be herded up into camps called ghettos and the national guard would declare martial law. . . oh wait this has already happened! WAKE UP!!

Those Tea Party folk had Machine Guns??? I thought those things were Illegal in DC! Where did he get this information ? I looked on line (google, Yahoo, etc.)looking for such a claim and found nothing. Has anyone found an article or anything indicating that the those folks had such armament's? Kevin
Perhaps Mr. Wise used his white privilege to get into the protest and see what exactly was going on. And if they did have AK-47s like at some of the other rallies around the country, I wouldn't be surprised. Its not like this particular rally in Virginia was a surpise, its been all over the internet and they clearly stated what their intentions were. So ah... yeah as I stated previously, stop trying to be provacative.
I'm curious though why we haven't seen these types of protests before 2009? Although the 2nd Bush Administration was a complete lame duck the entire 4 years. Hmmmm
I'm gonna say this, I think it goes to show how violent white people are. Many articles have been posted on here about this gun toting against President Obama, although he hasn't acted on any gun legislation nor has publicly stated it as his intention. I think this is a deeper psychological issue with these people.

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Technically it's an automatic rifle."


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An automatic rifle is a type of machine gun that has the option of firing semi, or fully automatic. Same thang as far as I am concerned.

 

Yemaya

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Perhaps Mr. Wise used his white privilege to get into the protest and see what exactly was going on. And if they did have AK-47s like at some of the other rallies around the country, I wouldn't be surprised."


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If he did and saw such weapons, I am sure he would have mentioned it in his article.

I just think there is plenty of real criticism that can be made about those Tea partyers without makin shyt up, because when you don't come correct (as is the case with this "Wise guy") you start lookin like some "chicken little" running around tryin to make things sound worse than they actually are

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I just think there is plenty of real criticism that can be made about those Tea partyers without makin shyt up, because when you don't come correct (as is the case with this "Wise guy") you start lookin like some "chicken little" running around tryin to make things sound worse than they actually are Kevin

How very cracker of you...out of all that Tim Wise said in his article and this is what you focus on???  Cause somehow, in your mind, you felt the racist gun-toting, armed and dangerous in the presence of the POTUS, hitler comparison making, socialist fearmongering poorly spelled signed carrying teabaggers needed a defender on a black politics website


The only thing that makes teabaggers look worse...is teabaggers and their stupidity.  GTFOOH
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An automatic rifle is a type of machine gun that has the option of firing semi, or fully automatic. Same thang as far as I am concerned.



So based upon your expert opinion, if I if I have a pistol and pull the trigger really really fast...................


I'm sure you already googled it, that's how you came to your expert conclusion, but for others to see:

Automatic rifle is a term generally used to describe a self-loading rifle chambered for a rifle cartridge, capable of delivering both semi- and fully automatic fire. This "select-fire" capability, as well as the (general) use of magazine-fed rifle ammunition, differentiate it from other classes of automatic firearm such as the machine gun and submachine gun.


In Gun law in the United States, machine gun is a term of art for any fully-automatic firearm, and also for any component or part that will modify an existing firearm into a fully-automatic firearm.

NSprit

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How very cracker of you...out of all that Tim Wise said in his article and this is what you focus on???

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Yes! That's the part I disagree with; it's called "debate"

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Cause somehow, in your mind, you felt the racist gun-toting, armed and dangerous in the presence of the POTUS, hitler comparison making, socialist fearmongering poorly spelled signed carrying teabaggers needed a defender on a black politics website

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I ain't defending the teabaggers, I am criticizing this Tim Wise guy! As I said before, there is much these teabaggers can be criticized for, he didn't have to go makin stuff up.

K

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I ain't defending the teabaggers, I am criticizing this Tim Wise guy! As I said before, there is much these teabaggers can be criticized for, he didn't have to go makin stuff up.

How do you know he's makin' stuff up?    I mean, just because you have no knowledge of the incident happening does that just automatically equate to that it didn't happen??  If you don't know about or believe something it doesn't exist? 

All you really know is that you don't whether it happened or not.  You don't know if he's lying or telling the truth.  But again ... if finding out what the truth is as opposed to speculating and accusing him of lying is in any way important to you, I suggest you email him and ask him why he wrote what he wrote.

'Cause right now, you're the only one "makin' stuff up" since you don't really know what the actual facts are.
Tim Wise didn't make it up. There is a movement I believe the April 12 movement who advertised this thing all over the radio, internet and other media. Please. They said what they were going to do and they did it without reprecussion. They've been doing it for over a year now. And??? On to the next subject.
Perhaps this is what Mr. Wise was referring to. 


Protests: Tea Party & Gun Rights

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041904371_pf.html

Gun-toting protesters voice violent thoughts peacefully

By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, April 20, 2010; A02

 

They came in camouflage and ammunition vests, carrying AK-47s slung over their shoulders and pistols in their hip holsters. They were in Northern Virginia, on the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, to stand on federal land and to voice violent thoughts.

They did this in a strictly nonviolent fashion, naturally.

"Let me hang out my shingle," Mike Vanderboegh shouted to the 75 armed men and women at Fort Hunt Park in Alexandria on Monday morning. Vanderboegh, leader of the "Three Percent" movement, a gun-owners' rights group, slammed down a brick on the stage bearing the Roman numeral III.

This was a reference to his call for his followers to "break the windows of hundreds, thousands of Democrat Party headquarters" after health-care legislation passed. Some of them did as they were told.

"I was trying to get the attention of people who are pushing this country toward civil war, that they should stop before somebody gets hurt," Vanderboegh said of his brick-throwing campaign. He then read the philosopher John Locke's words that there comes a time when people are "absolved from any further obedience" to their government.

The armed citizenry cheered. "This is what the other side doesn't understand!" Vanderboegh shouted. "We are done backing up! Done! Not one more inch!"

The 19th of April has acquired a unique mythology of resistance and violence: the battles of Lexington and Concord in 1775, the Warsaw ghetto uprising in 1943, the sacking of the Branch Davidian compound in 1993, the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. Now the date has a new significance as the moment when the militia movement went from the blogs and the backwoods, mustered across the river from the capital, and invited the world's media to come in and hear its warnings.

In a sense, it was good news: Better for militia leaders and activists in the "patriot" movement to be participating in a peaceful political protest than plotting in their basements over an issue of Soldier of Fortune. And the participation was weak; by the time the rally moved from Fort Hunt to Gravelly Point Park near National Airport in the afternoon, the 75 gun carriers were easily outnumbered by a journalistic mob that included representatives from Switzerland, France and Ireland. On the other hand, the event was a sign of just how confident the militia leaders are that their cause has moved, for the first time, from the fringe to the mainstream.

The Pew Research Center just released the results of a poll showing that 77 percent of Americans are frustrated or angry with the federal government. One manifestation of that is the 363 new patriot groups in 2009 -- a 244 percent increase from the previous year -- documented by the Southern Poverty Law Center. As militia leader Bob Wright from New Mexico put it to the crowd: "Two years ago, most of us were screaming at the TV, and our wives wondered why we didn't just shut up. . . . We've seen an entire change in our country."

The demonstrators brought their guns to Virginia from New Mexico, New Hampshire, Florida and elsewhere. Among the group was Tim Hammond, who carried two pistols, a rifle and plenty of ammunition as part of an all-black outfit that included a black tricorn hat. Hammond, who said he flew in from California, told another demonstrator he believes that President Obama is the antichrist.

"If he's not the antichrist, he's pretty close," the second man concurred.

"We're definitely in the end times," Hammond continued. "The rapture, in my opinion, has to be sometime this fall."

Soon after this, event organizers whisked Hammond off to make sure he had met the rules for participation, including the use of a "chamber flag" to show that the rifle wasn't loaded; those in compliance were given a yellow armband.

Though their words were ominous and menacing, the participants went out of their way to demonstrate their peaceful intent (a new law, signed by Obama, allows them to carry weapons openly on federal parkland). Wright brought his young granddaughter, Alyssa, who wore yellow hair ribbons and sang the national anthem for the crowd.

Vanderboegh said some participants were "pretty disappointed at how few people turned out here," but then likened them to another "determined minority," the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto.

He recounted for the crowd his successful calls for bricks to be thrown into Democrats' offices. "I hope to make them understand that the situation was coming to a fundamental break when people innocent and guilty alike were going to begin dying for their own stupid failure to comprehend the real situation that we are all in," he warned.

He then led the crowd in chanting what he called a Southern "battle cry" of "Oh hell no!" Explained the Alabaman: "When you hear it, where I come from, you know that somebody's going to get beat, stabbed or shot, and the guy that takes the beating, the knife blade, or the bullet undoubtedly deserves it."

 

http://sites.google.com/site/apgovernmentblog/news/protests-tea-party-gun-rights

Ebony Rose

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How do you know he's makin' stuff up? I mean, just because you have no knowledge of the incident happening does that just automatically equate to that it didn't happen?? If you don't know about or believe something it doesn't exist?

All you really know is that you don't whether it happened or not. You don't know if he's lying or telling the truth.

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I suspect he was not being truthful because if he were, I believe I would have been able to find something from a search engine, youtube, ask.com or something to back it up; also I believe he would have provided something to back up his claims as well.

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Perhaps this is what Mr. Wise was referring to.

Protests: Tea Party & Gun Rights

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041904371_pf.html

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Okay; that makes sence, you suspect Mr Wise was confusing the "Three Percent" movent; a gun-owners rights group with the "teaparty" movent.

Assuming that is his error, I still say he should have done his homework a little better and maybe named the article
"Imagine if the Three Percent movement were black"

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I ain't defending the teabaggers, I am criticizing this Tim Wise guy! As I said before, there is much these teabaggers can be criticized for, he didn't have to go makin stuff up.




There is nothing in Tim Wise's article that is "made up".  Now take your teabagger loving self to a website where defending them might be acceptable.
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Okay; that makes sence, you suspect Mr Wise was confusing the "Three Percent" movent; a gun-owners rights group with the "teaparty" movent.

Assuming that is his error, I still say he should have done his homework a little better and maybe named the article "Imagine if the Three Percent movement were black"

Actually, it's not my contention that Mr. Wise "confused" anything at all.  As I read the article, while the title of it made a reference to the Tea Party, the rest of it referenced a variety of groups, individuals, and events where racial and racist conditions and situations were present.

The Tea Party is but one of those.  The Three Percent Movement is another.  Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Michael Savage and that Congressman Culbertson are yet others .... i.e., racists long before but not necessarily directly affiliated with the Tea Party movement. 

Personally, I think you chose to give a literal meaning to what was meant to be a generalized title and then applied to the story as a whole ... which was not the intent of the author.  Which is cool ... you're certainly entitled to interpret it any way you wish. 

But, I think that most Black people understand that what Tim Wise is saying is that if any of these types of violent and racist acts and hate speech were being perpetrated by hundreds of thousands of Black Americans protesting and threatening the government and a White president instead of it being White folks and the other way around ... all manner of unholy hell would be breaking loose right now.

Black people would be dying in the streets  .. for "just cause."  And we know that.  And Tim Wise knows it, too.
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Okay; that makes sence, you suspect Mr Wise was confusing the "Three Percent" movent; a gun-owners rights group with the "teaparty" movent. Assuming that is his error, I still say he should have done his homework a little better and maybe named the article "Imagine if the Three Percent movement were black"
A fallacy of misplaced concreteness
I realize how this will sound, but I'm saying it anyway.

I perceive this as Tim Wise's hustle.

Free Speech is free speech.

A job is a job.

I just wish he would get off 'my back'...figuratively.

I have considered whether I would feel differently if he were African American-American.

Probably.

At least he would not be talking in the third person.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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I perceive this as Tim Wise's hustle.

I look at Tim Wise as being at least ONE White man (and maybe the only one) who is able to understand the plight of being African American in America .. AND .. is not afraid to display it publicly!

He certainly doesn't know from 'experience' .... but, all it really takes a bit of common sense and intellect to 'get it' ... and comprehend what White America's practice of injustice has historically wrought on Black America's present condition.

If more White people were willing to comprehend ... AND ... talk about it realistically and openly as Tim Wise does, America would be a totally different place right now.

Ebonyrose:



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Actually, it's not my contention that Mr. Wise "confused" anything at all.  As I read the article, while the title of it made a reference to the Tea Party, the rest of it referenced a variety of groups, individuals, and events where racial and racist conditions and situations were present.

The Tea Party is but one of those.  The Three Percent Movement is another.  Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Michael Savage and that Congressman Culbertson are yet others .... i.e., racists long before but not necessarily directly affiliated with the Tea Party movement. 



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The "three percent" movement is a gun owner rights rally; and at this rally those who had the rifles were required to include a "chamber flag" which shows that the rifle isn't loaded.

Gun rights activists carrying empty guns to a gun rally is much different than disgruntled tax payers complaining that their taxes are too high and bringing loaded guns to a rally which is what Mr Wise was implying.

IMO If Mr Wise were a Mr Honest I think he would have said something like this:

"Imagine if gun owner activists came to Virginia with unloaded guns, held a peaceful rally, and the majority of these activists were black"

Now of course had he wrote this it wouldn't be quite as exciting, it wouldn't vilify those whom you hate, and he probably wouldn't have as many people on this site defending him, but... at least he would be honest!

Kevin

 
















 

If more White people were willing to comprehend ... AND ... talk about it realistically and openly as Tim Wise does, America would be a totally different place right now.---EbonyRose

For all of his 'understanding', Tim Wise continues...insists...on casting his 'informed' commentary totally within the 'color-construction' that binds us.

A hustle is a hustle...even when it is done in ignorance.

I have very close friends who are of 'good intent', but...

They cannot resist repeated comment on how 'dark' this person, or that, was or is.

But....they mean well.

Tim Wise is as damaged as the Europeans he insists on criticizing.

All of his 'truth' is framed in repression of African American-Americans.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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Tim Wise is as damaged as the Europeans he insists on criticizing.

Well, perhaps so Sir, but regardless, I am very comfortable with him being damaged when compared to the fact that he could have easily turned out to be another Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage or a Sean Hannity. Instead, he is a white guy who is willing to openly and aggressively discuss the injustices and racism in our society. Although there may be some melodrama and theatrics in his speeches (I’ve seen a number of them), he still is willing to take on the tip of the spear of racism and criticism from the conservative white right and black detractors like yourself. I hope he continues to excoriate racism and the toxic Tea Baggers....

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JWC, damaged in what way? Do you mean that other euro-americans shun him because of his work and thus he is damaged?

I think he means that dude is a white boy (and everything that comes with that!) and nothing's gonna change that ... so he's just as 'jacked up' as all the rest!
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A hustle is still a hustle.
I see.....Well, Sir, if you could detail what you mean when you stated, "a hustle is still a hustle", I would appreciate it. And exactly who is he hustling? And how? I know what it means but I'm not sure I know what you mean.....
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I think he means that dude is a white boy (and everything that comes with that!) and nothing's gonna change that ... so he's just as 'jacked up' as all the rest!
Wow! That's sad. That's like saying a black man (and everything that comes with that!) is never gonna change....so he's just as jacked up as all the rest! Does that make sense...??????
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Wow! That's sad. That's like saying a black man (and everything that comes with that!) is never gonna change....so he's just as jacked up as all the rest! Does that make sense...??????

To millions and millions of White people ... perfectly. 

But, let me state for the record  .. that's just my interpretation of what Mr. Chester was saying.  I could be (and often am) wrong about his intent!  So ... it would be preferable to just let him speak for himself!
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But, let me state for the record  .. that's just my interpretation of what Mr. Chester was saying.  I could be (and often am) wrong about his intent!  So ... it would be preferable to just let him speak for himself!
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'Cultural Conditioning'.

All Americans are conditioned by America's societal construction.

That construction built upon minimizing, marginalizing, and otherwise demeaning African American-Americans.

As for the 'hustle', Tim Wise hustles the buyers/readers of his books and lectures.

His level of sincerity does not matter.

He is, knowing or unknowing, tool of the system.

As for 'damage'...I am giving European Americans the benefit of the doubt as to their intent...to the extent that 'If they knew better, they would do better'.

Some would.

Some wouldn't.

As much as 'we' might agree with what he is saying, the damage is (societally) universal.

Everyone is 'tainted'...damaged.

In explaning the 3/5th Rule, The Federal Papers (54?) contends the reduction in value is the result of being 'debased by slavery'.

We refuse to articulate this rationale even though it is plainly written in a major document of the nation.

We have ALWAYS contended that 'The Rule' is...per se...simply a diminishing of our humanness .

Hmmm.

A little denial...maybe?

PEACE

Jim Chester
JWC, call me dense, but i still don't get it.  When Tim Wise is described as a hustler, is it meant in the same way Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are called race hustlers?  Is it because he does make a living discussing the issue of white privilege?


Also, I'm still unclear as to the damage/taint you are speaking about.  Could you elaborate?

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