This is where reading is fundamental. Pay close attention to what she writes before jumping to any conclusion.

 

Tiger Mom: Some cultural groups are superior

 

She’s doubling down.

Amy Chua, the self-proclaimed “Tiger Mom” who, in 2011, published a book arguing that Chinese women are superior mothers — thus their offspring superior children — has even more to say.

In “The Triple Package,” Chua and her husband, co-author Jed Rubenfeld, gather some specious stats and anecdotal evidence to argue that some groups are just superior to others and everyone else is contributing to the downfall of America.

Unsurprisingly, the Chinese Chua and the Jewish Rubenfeld belong to two of the eight groups they deem exceptional. In no seeming order of importance, they are:

  • Jewish
  • Indian
  • Chinese
  • Iranian
  • Lebanese-Americans
  • Nigerians
  • Cuban exiles
  • Mormons

These groups — “cultural,” mind you, never “ethnic” or “racial” or “religious” — all possess, in the authors’ estimation, three qualities that they’ve identified as guarantors of wealth and power: superiority, insecurity and impulse control.

“That certain groups do much better in America than others — as measured by income, occupational status, test scores and so on — is difficult to talk about,” the authors write. “In large part, this is because the topic feels so racially charged.”

And so begins their cat-and-mouse polemic, in which they claim they’re courageously agitating for a greater good: the revival of America itself as a “Triple Package Culture.” It’s a series of shock-arguments wrapped in self-help tropes, and it’s meant to do what racist arguments do: scare people.

Chua, a law professor at Yale, became a media sensation in 2011, when The Wall Street Journal published an extract from her book “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother.” She herself is an American, raised in the Midwest, but she used her heritage and all the worst stereotypes of Chinese women — cold, rigid Dragon Ladies, hostile towards their own children — to criticize the Western way of parenting, which she also said would be the downfall of America.

 

Chua wrote about calling one of her two daughters “garbage” for being rude, dismissing a homemade birthday card as subpar (“I don’t want this — I want another one&rdquo, refusing to let her girls watch TV or participate in school plays or have sleepovers, of threatening to give away a beloved dollhouse if her daughter couldn’t master a complicated classical composition within days.

Her book really can be reduced to a simple argument: Chinese mothers are better than those of any other race, and these parenting methods are going to result in the West’s big fear — the continued rise and ultimate supremacy of China. Chua’s book was a best-seller, so it’s little surprise she’s back with an even more incendiary thesis, one so well timed to deep economic anxiety, to the collective fear that the American middle class is about to disappear, for good, and the misguided belief that immigration reform will result in even less opportunity for Americans than there is now.

She and Rubenfeld stoke those fears. “Although rarely mentioned in media reports,” they write, “the studies said to show the demise in upward mobility largely exclude immigrants and their children.”

 

Yet the authors do not mention whether these immigrants are low-wage workers who have a greater chance at upward mobility, and the Pew study they cite is from 2007 — one year before the global financial collapse, resulting in an American economy that may be structurally altered for decades to come.

All of the groups profiled by Chua and Rubenfeld are done so only as American immigrants, with the exceptions of Mormons and Jews, who are superior to Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, atheists and Muslims — the latter group, it seems, too controversial to warrant a mention.

On to the distinguishing factors that make these eight groups the best in America:

1. A superiority complex

Any group that collectively believes they are inherently better than any other, say the authors, has an advantage. They do not note that this is perhaps humanity’s oldest and ugliest flaw, the bottom-line cause of wars and genocide. In their estimation, it’s not nearly common enough in America, where “the Superiority Complex . . . is antithetical to mainstream liberal thinking . . . the stuff of racism, colonialism, imperialism, Nazism.” This way of thinking, they write, has been a big boon to Mormons and Jews, though they also fail to note that believing in the superiority of a belief system is the driving force behind almost all organized religion. (Except the Amish. The authors freely note that the Amish are losers for this very reason.)

2. Insecurity

Here are the authors sounding most like Malcolm Gladwell: Posit something, make a solid case for it, then immediately refute it with equal fervor. The result: Readers are so confused that they can only conclude that this book is so much smarter than they are.

The authors are very impressed with their boldness in juxtaposing insecurity with superiority. “That insecurity should be a critical lever of success is another anathema, flouting the entire orthodoxy of contemporary popular and therapeutic psychology,” they write. In fact, insecurity has long been known as a prime motivator among actors, artists, CEOs, despots. “Imposter syndrome,” the term used to describe highly successful individuals who believe, deep down, they are frauds, was identified back in 1978.

“Note that there’s a deep tension between insecurity and a superiority complex,” the authors continue. “It’s odd to think of people being simultaneously insecure but also convinced of their divine election or superiority.” Really? Just ask anyone who’s ever met a narcissist, or read a profile of A-Rod.

3. Impulse Control

Yet another hallmark of self-help, impulse control is considered to be a key factor in personal success — the ability to delay instant gratification in the service of a greater goal. But this isn’t really what the authors have in mind: “As we’ll use the term,” they write, “impulse control refers to the ability to resist temptation, especially the temptation to give up in the face of hardship or quit instead of persevering at a difficult task.”

You know who’s bad at this? Americans not among their eight groups. “Because all three elements of the Triple Package run so counter to modern American culture, it makes sense that America’s successful groups are all outsiders in one way or another,” they write. “Paradoxically, in modern America, a group has an edge if it doesn’t buy into — or hasn’t yet bought into — mainstream, post-1960s, liberal American principles.”

As curious as the groups that Chua and Rubenfeld elevate are the absence of ones they denigrate. Aside from the Amish (not big book-buyers), the only other group the authors take aim at are the Appalachian poor, noting, without irony, that “it’s far more socially acceptable today to insult and look down on ‘white trash’ than the poor of any other racial group.’”

 

As for why African-Americans don’t make the list, the authors believe that the Civil Rights Movement took away any hope for a superiority narrative, and so the black community is screwed — even as they cite Mitt Romney’s loss to Barack Obama as evidence of Mormon ascendancy.

“In this paradoxical sense, equality isn’t fair to African-Americans,” they write. “Superiority is the one narrative that America has relentlessly denied or ground out of its black population.”

Nigerian immigrants, they argue, are bolstered by the belief that they are better than other West Africans — much as the Lebanese believe, as descendants of Phoenicians, that they are superior, or that the Chinese believe that their 5,000-year-old civilization makes them superior. But feeling superior to other nations, races or religions is nothing more than that — a feeling.

The authors have such dubious data — “getting a statistical fix on Mormon income and wealth is notoriously difficult”; “hard numbers, however, are surprisingly hard to come by” — that they undermine every assertion of so-called “cultural” supremacy.

 

The real story here — the less controversial one, the more interesting and possibly instructive one — is that historically, immigrant groups tend to experience upward mobility in America until the third generation, and then, for reasons unknown, tend to level off. It’s interesting, too, that the authors either dismiss or outright ignore the large swaths of immigrant groups who built up this country — the English, Irish, Italians, Germans, Eastern Europeans. They ignore two very basic explanations for the success of immigrant groups in America: Anyone who leaves their homeland for parts unknown, no matter how desperate, is, by definition, bold; America’s uniqueness as a nation founded by immigrants.

Once we were a Triple Package nation, say the authors, but no more. We have been done in by our superiority complex, our poor, Western-style “self-esteem parenting” and lack of impulse control.

The question they finally pose — Should America be a Triple Package country again? Can it? — is followed by a paragraph-long, yes-no-maybe answer that will give you whiplash.

“The real promise of a Triple Package America,” they conclude, “is the promise of a day when there are no longer any successful groups in the United States — only successful individuals.”

Today, the demographic predicted to have the greatest impact economically, politically and culturally, by the year 2042, are Hispanics. Just don’t tell the Mormons or the Jews.

 

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To think, I was about to finally buy her book to see if she was on to something.  Thank you for posting this before I wasted $10.00 or less.  

 

So, Chau just skipped over the millions of Chinese people still languishing in poverty, illiteracy or without college degrees or even high school diplomas in China today.  She also failed to acknowledge that decades of living under a brutal slave-driving Communist regime that threaten and brutalized and murdered most of that "impulse-control" into the Chinese in the first place, the same way the brutalization, torture and murders made the same kind of workers out of slaves during slavery.  And, as far as Rubenfeld is concerned, he too cherry-picks his perspectives, in that, I'm sure there is no greater motivator than Natzi Death camps and world distrust and hatred of Jews and to FINALLY be accepted as "White" in America AFTER the Civil Rights Movement to help Jews along.  

 

And, I'm sure "Nigerians" were just thrown in to make it appear that their racist views were not racist and to make yet another attempt by non-Black people at dividing Africans and African Americans, because, unlike all Black people on this planet, non-Black people know that "Woe is the world" should the entire Black Race ever Unite.  

 

So, she's just another racist and a bigot that has bought into the American/Western racist propaganda, and is ignorant enough to not know enough about her own history to know that it was the same racist propaganda that was used against the Chinese up until the point where it looked like America/the West could use the Chinese for something, i.e., cheap labor, cheap manufacturing, countless billions in debt, etc., etc.  And, she's too stupid to know that the only reason that the Chinese/Asians have little problems in America is because they are here in small number compared to African Americans and Latinos, and because she was able to accomplish all that she accomplished because of the Civil Rights Movement that Black people fought and died on the front lines for in this country, otherwise, she would just be another hated minority in America, or they all wouldn't be able live beyond New York or California without suffering the same fate as African Americans in this country.  

 

 

  I could tell her book was full of shit cuz she's NOT telling the FULL truth about these so-called successful cultures.  First off, the Jews are liars and use religion and racism to gain opportunity in this country.  Bottom line.  They were the hero-creators of the American dream.  Cuz America had focked up the slaves...and didn't actually wanna feel remorse for having them in slavery for almost 500 years....it was genius that the Jews gave white America an opening where they can pull off this hero bull shit and save the somebody who looked "white" from someone else who looked "white" when all along they were LYNCHING and castrating blacks in good ole America.....and this was during the time where the military was segregated. 

 

And we won't talk about the Chinese or the Japanese for that matter cuz both cultures treated their women like road kill.  Footbinding and prositution!  Remember the Geesha Girls[hookers!] while the men had a gay lifestyle for centuries!  In their history....look it up. So of course when asian females get to America and they don't have to abide by Chinese or Japan's tradition and most American men prefer asian sometimes over white women so the RED carpet is unfolded for them.  In this case, of course they will succeed.  Don't take a genius to figure this out.  

 

And Indians from India?  The same thang!  They are racist in their own country and treat the women like SHIT.  And they have a color palate to determine worth derived from their slavery days with the Arabs.  So again, of course beautiful Indian women can come here and succeed and even marry a WHITE man-which they are strictest when it comes to marrying outside the culture-not the race mind you-the culture.  And guess what?  They are STILL burning their women in India as we speak.  

 

All others including the Iranians[deriving from Indo-Iranian] are grouped together as Sista Sunnubian says to try to be balanced in her observation.  But her observation is bias and racist.  Bottom line.  She doesn't KNOW what the HELL she's talking about.  Because without an formal education, the inability to read or write, black people are the ones who set the stage for excellence for the world.  We are the ones who discovered/created/invented life-altering advances for the betterment of humankind.  The rest of the folks are like the term "beatrice."  They just improved completed work of black brilliance-like the iphone series.  So Chau just cuz you wrote it in a book....doesn't mean is TRUE.  Far from it.  But!

Her book really can be reduced to a simple argument: Chinese mothers are better than those of any other race, and these parenting methods are going to result in the West’s big fear — the continued rise and ultimate supremacy of China.

 

 

I get the sense that there is much more to her thesis then the authors simplification.  Even if the authors characterizations are accurate, it reads as a re-branding of Social Darwinism and/or a Chinese take on neo liberal ideology. 

 

 

I'm thinking too much about this.  But!  I have to ADD.  Of course Chinese women may be superior moms!  Most of them only have one or two children in America.  And a mandatory "ONE" in China.  So this bitch is crazy. And she's no mother either.  Real women don't compare their children's abilities against others.  Real women know that that isn't fair to the other children.  But since this bitch is racist on the side and have no true morals or values[cuz again China has a history of mistreating their women], she is just following massa's guide-who we all know didn't raise his children at all.  Black women did.  And when we were free raised them less and less until the hispanic women took over caring for them. So again...no superiority here...just plain of ignorant ass racism despite her so-called research.  But!

 

When I did my little bitty research I quickly found out  that in China It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World is a 2012 [2012!  Yall that's recent ]  documentary film which explores the practice of  female infanticide primarily in India and China [which is number 2 and 3 on her list of superiority groups.]  The United Nations  has estimated that up to 200 million females are "missing" today, most of whom would have lived in India and China.  Now where are the Tiger Moms this whore is talking about?  See?  Heifers like her wanna talk about the white skin on the outside bullshit as proof of superiority [she's married to Jew who also thinks he's white]...but!  The reality  is?  She is lying through her teeth about her culture and massa accepts it cuz it is a psychological distraction from the truth.  Bottom line. There should be a black author challenging her data and observations and therefore setting the record straight.  Cuz too many people are gonna just believe her instead of finding out for themselves....which is why I always say don't take anyone word for it.....do your own work and find out for yourself.  I know I know easier said than done.   But!  

The Case for Superiority

 

Masters of craniometry

 

Paul Broca-1824 –1880,

Professor of clinical surgery concluded that: “in general the brain is larger in mature adults than in the elderly, in men than in women, in eminent men than in men of mediocre talent, in superior races than in inferior races…Other things equal, there is a remarkable relationship between the development of intelligence and the volume of the brain.”

 

Doctor Broca further contends that “A prognathous (forward-jutting) face, more or less black color of the skin, woolly hair and intellectual and social inferiority are often associated, while more or less white skin, straight hair and an orthognathous [straight] face are the ordinary equipment of the highest groups in the human series…A group with black skin, woolly hair and prognathous face has never been able to raise itself spontaneously to civilization.”

 

Robert Bennett Bean

A 1906 Virginia physician who in April 1907 was cited in an editorial in American Medicine proclaiming “the anatomical basis for the complete failure of the Negro schools to impart the higher studies –the brain cannot comprehend them any more than a horse can understand the rule of three…Leaders in all political parties now acknowledge the error of human equality…It may be practical to rectify the error and remove a menace to our prosperity - a large electorate without brains.”

 

Abraham Lincoln

In the same manner as American slave owners compelled the slaves to be baptized and practice Christianity, slave Baptizisms did not mean manumission.   Manumission and emancipation did not imply biological equality and thus Lincoln never abandoned his basic attitude he so strongly expressed in the 1858 Douglas debates, he stated the following:

 

 “There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.  And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and as much as any other am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

 

All of the above quotes are taken from Stephen Jay Gould’s

The Mismeasure of Man.  The book appeared and was written in part as a response to the Bell Curve.  Suggested reading on the subject of intelligence and race superiority.

 

kraaal

 

 

 

"When I did my little bitty research I quickly found out  that in China It's a Girl: The Three Deadliest Words in the World is a 2012 [2012!"

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You would think that a Chinese woman with her educational background and writing ability would be more concerned with what is happening to and entire gender within her own race, her or her ancestor's country of origin, than she is in trying to market racist propaganda.  

 

You would also think that a Jewish man would not be out their pushing the very same racist propaganda that got millions of Jews murdered, tortured, enslaved and gassed in Nazi concentration camps, either.

 

This is just their way of licking White boots for acceptance.   

 

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  As I think about this more and more it does appear to be the onset of Chinese superiority.  And like others before them....they NEED a book to justify being superior.  And she just wrote it.  But!

 

The biggest hint of where the Chinese really want to go in this world was during the height of the economic crisis, where the Chinese wanted to have American money declared worthless.  That, and their own thousands-years-old history of how they have treated their own people; [which is one main reason I'm not sure if the Chinese being all up-in Africa is a good idea or not]. 

No one's superior to anyone.  A man and woman had sex, an egg was fertilized, the fertilized egg became us and our mothers' brought us forth to life.  Lots of people have more material things than others which allows them to gather the finer things that life has to offer, while others don't have that opportunity.  We all have a few days of life on this planet and it's over, death overtakes us all.  Then we all lay in the bone yard wasting away to skeletons.  We look the way we do because we all have the DNA of our families to which we were born.  Most of the people that have money DID NOT acquire it by working 9 to 5 jobs.  Most of them were born into it from their parents who passed it down to them after the parents died.  Another thing, most of the people who have money did not acquire it honestly.  Some of it was garnered by hook and by crook, and a few were lucky enough to win lotteries.  We're ALL human beings.  I thank my lucky stars every single day that I wasn't born a Tarantula.  There are so many things in this life that we could have been born/hatched as.  No one's superior to anyone (I say again), some just have more, and when you're dead, it really DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!

Sista Sunnubian wrote:  

You would think that a Chinese woman with her educational background and writing ability would be more concerned with what is happening to and entire gender within her own race, her or her ancestor's country of origin, than she is in trying to market racist propaganda.  

 

  Exactly my sista!  And this is something that American women do too.  We have the ability[even though we are smarter] to undermine each other out of fear of rejection from men.

 

You would also think that a Jewish man would not be out their pushing the very same racist propaganda that got millions of Jews murdered, tortured, enslaved and gassed in Nazi concentration camps, either.

 

Excuse me.  Most Jews think they are white.  They don't consider themselves nonwhite.  And that's the problem cuz a very WHITE group called the nazis tried to exterminate as many of em as possible and STILL they wanna be seen as "white."  The tragic stockholm syndrome.  And many of 'em forget that murderous part until sympathy and empathy are given for other groups then they come out with another focking nauseating[sp] MOVIE about the holocaust as if they were the ONLY ones mistreated by a society in power.  Gag and puke.  

 

 This is just their way of licking White boots for acceptance.   

 

Bingo!  But!

 

Sista Sunnubian wrote:  The biggest hint of where the Chinese really want to go in this world was during the height of the economic crisis, where the Chinese wanted to have American money declared worthless.  That, and their own thousands-years-old history of how they have treated their own people; [which is one main reason I'm not sure if the Chinese being all up-in Africa is a good idea or not]. 

 

  Well this isn't really the first time asian invaded 'Africa.  Ha!  And each time they stayed for awhile and then ran for the hills. [do to many factors-one is religion]  Which I think is gonna happen again cuz China as you said earlier isn't taking care of its people.  Like they weren't taking care of them back in the day and what happened?  Several revolutions.  Cuz just like massa, the Chinese is putting on this face of everything is we are the world, but in reality their social structure is on the verge of collapsing mainly because of the way China treats its common people.  And that's the bottom line.  Watch. The downfall is gonna happen again cuz now we have the internet and not too many things this country can hide from its people. So just like Arab Spring...it's gonna be China Spring.  But! 

"Some cultural groups are sabotaged more."

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And there has been no Race or Cultural/Ethnic Group(s) on this planet, throughout the history of humanity that has been more Sabotaged than the Black Race, from Africa, to African America, throughout the entire Black Diaspora, neither has there been ANY Race, or Cultural/Ethnic group on this planet being sabotaged by all others outside their own race [and many within] at the same time.  The Black Race has been and still is being "ganged" up on by ALL non-Black people on this planet.  No other Race of people that have TRULY experienced what has been inflicted upon the Black race or have had to deal with it coming from ALL other groups/races of people on the planet at the same time.  

 

The Black Race is at War, unfortunately, it is only the Black Race, only Black people, who do not want to accept this fact.  

 

Even centuries of Wars against African people, centuries of invasions on Africa by every other race on the planet, centuries of colonization, centuries of Slavery, centuries of hatred, centuries of discrimination, centuries of brutalization, torture, murders, wrongful imprisonments, discriminatory sentencing, centuries of psychological abuse, brainwashing and social conditioning, centuries of exploitation of valuable African resources, and centuries of Racist Propaganda, and Racist Propaganda Campaigns, and it is ONLY Black People that still just don't get it.  

Originally Posted by sunnubian:

"Some cultural groups are sabotaged more."

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And there has been no Race or Cultural/Ethnic Group(s) on this planet, throughout the history of humanity that has been more Sabotaged than the Black Race, from Africa, to African America, throughout the entire Black Diaspora, neither has there been ANY Race, or Cultural/Ethnic group on this planet being sabotaged by all others outside their own race [and many within] at the same time.  The Black Race has been and still is being "ganged" up on by ALL non-Black people on this planet.  No other Race of people that have TRULY experienced what has been inflicted upon the Black race or have had to deal with it coming from ALL other groups/races of people on the planet at the same time.  

 

The Black Race is at War, unfortunately, it is only the Black Race, only Black people, who do not want to accept this fact.  

 

Even centuries of Wars against African people, centuries of invasions on Africa by every other race on the planet, centuries of colonization, centuries of Slavery, centuries of hatred, centuries of discrimination, centuries of brutalization, torture, murders, wrongful imprisonments, discriminatory sentencing, centuries of psychological abuse, brainwashing and social conditioning, centuries of exploitation of valuable African resources, and centuries of Racist Propaganda, and Racist Propaganda Campaigns, and it is ONLY Black People that still just don't get it.  

So what are we supposed to do about it? 

"All of the above quotes are taken from Stephen Jay Gould’s

The Mismeasure of Man.  The book appeared and was written in part as a response to the Bell Curve.  Suggested reading on the subject of intelligence and race superiority."

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The main thing that he is correct on is the fact that you cannot "measure" the abstract, and since intelligence is an abstract, . . . .  

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

Her book really can be reduced to a simple argument: Chinese mothers are better than those of any other race, and these parenting methods are going to result in the West’s big fear — the continued rise and ultimate supremacy of China.

 

 

I get the sense that there is much more to her thesis then the authors simplification.  Even if the authors characterizations are accurate, it reads as a re-branding of Social Darwinism and/or a Chinese take on neo liberal ideology. 

 

 

 

It also reads as a book written merely to rake in dollars from the 'criticize and hate on' Black people gravy train.  White Americans are no longer the only ones that realize that Racism sells, that any negative depiction, rhetoric or image of Black people will sell newspapers, tv shows, movies, books, articles, op-eds, all forms of media and communication.  Chau and Rubenfeld are capitalizing on that FACT, unfortunately, not unlike what many, many African Americans themselves are doing today as well.  

I think I am going to get book.

 

It is always interesting to hear about other ethnic groups and racial groups and hear their perspective. The traits should picked out tend to be the traits in highly successful people, I am sure they apply to groups. 

 

I personally don't have a problem about anything she says because it's actually true if you wanna see who are the most successful groups in America, they tend to be immigrant groups not multiple generation African Americans and European Americans and those are the groups that were

listed are pretty well off compared to everybody else in this country.

 

Those immigrant groups also faced the hassles and troubles like we did. Anglo-Americans and German Americans did not want Italians, Jews, Irish, Japanese, Chinese, Mexicans in this country. We got the worst of it of course, but we have had successful African Americans in spite of it, just we don't have a strong and powerful Upper to Lower Middle Class like they do. 

 

I don't believe she inserted Nigerians in there as a way to not slight African Americans.Nigerians do have a superiority complex and think they are the best African. I heard it from non Nigerians and seen it - Nigerians tend to be arrogant yet highly successful.They have one of the best countries in West Africa.

 

I believe simply we don't get it. 

 

The countries, races, ethnic groups, institutions say one thing and do another as a rule of law. 

 

We don't allow ourselves to feel superior, we don't allow ourselves to feel inferior, we don't allow ourselves to fail, we don't allow ourselves to succeed.

 

We are always pro-egalitarian and pro-victimization and nobody else privately thinks that way. 

 

If it wasn't for slavery.

 

If it wasn't for Jim Grow.

 

If it wasn't for the Hood.

 

There are no perfect conditions. You just do whatever it takes to beat the World.

 

Jews don't think, If it wasn't for the Romans. They waited thousands of years to get where they are. 

 

Europeans think they are better than the entire world. Asians think they are better than the entire world. Jews think they are better than everybody. Nigerians think they are the best African. Japanese think they are the best Asian. Koreans think they are the best Asian. Chinese think they are the best Asian.

 

Everybody publicly says nobody is better than anybody else...which is a very pie in the sky ridiculous statement because equality only exist in Math. I think all of us notice how African Americans tend to dominate NBA and the NFL and Music.Asians tend to dominate the sciences. Jews tend to dominate the finance, Hollywood and science.

 

Life is war, it's not nice, it's suffering and competition and we should do what it takes to make sure our people are on top. 

 

How about we get on top and then write a book titled:

 

How the Africans Took It Back. 

 

Then they cry about us and we can say, "You kicked us while we were down, now look who is it on now."

 

Marcus Garvey said, "The World does not count races that have nothing."

 

 

Whatever, where were all these successful immigrants before the Civil Rights Movement brought about change in this country in the first place, the Revolution, the Civil Rights Movement that predominately Black/African Americans fought and died on the front lines of?

 

I'll tell you where, 99.9% of them were still in their native countries still being discriminated out of immigrating to this country to even gain citizenship in the first place.

 

And don't be fooled, the majority of these recent immigrants come to this country with money or ties or jobs waiting, the "woe is me, for I'm just a poor foreigner seeking freedom" was more often a ruse than not.  What about the money they received under the refugee status in this country, many are still receiving "stipend" and "aid" from the U.S. government, or what about the fact that many of them have taken advantage of "minority status" to receive funds, grants, education, money, etc., from the U.S. government as well.  Recent Latino/Mexican immigrants can make the claim of "coming to America with nothing" more so and more often than any other "immigrants" to America in the waves of immigration since the Civil Rights Movement, and they too benefit immensely from the gains of the Civil Rights Movement in this country, or they too would still be being discriminated against in Immigration and Naturalization.  

 

Are the Jews "pro-victimization" when they speak of the Holocaust or the discrimination that their people received in this country [and all over the world throughout their history] before the Civil Rights movement, are the "pro-victimization" by admitting how few of them were in the south, at least that would admit they were Jews before the Civil Rights movement?  

 

Speaking of historical FACTS and actual occurrences that are still happening today that have had a profound effect on the lives and livelihoods of an entire group of people is not being "pro-victimization".  

 

Choosing NOT to live in a fantasy world about the lower-based racism in this country, and making a conscious decision NOT to allow those who inflict it dictate to us to see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil like trained monkeys or well-behaved pets is not any form of being "pro-victimization either.

 

Just like the Jews, [and every other group of people on the planet] we will "Never Forget" our history, struggle and experience either.  

Originally Posted by nuggyt:
So what are we supposed to do about it? 

My life experience has been that Black Americans are more stingy with knowledge than White folks and I have seen them hide info from each other plenty of times

 

That is why I post information about books and apps and technology but I don't seem get much feedback.  I have had a man who said he was a White English teacher tell me a couple of books were great.  But though I have been thanked I haven't gotten the impression books were checked out by Black posters.  That is another part of the problem, we seem to have an anti-reading culture.  I get accused of being a "brainiac" or showing off if I try to tell people stuff.  So "playing dumb" makes life easier in some circumstances.  It's really annoying!

 

I think the "White" designed educational system is more about controlling the distribution of knowledge than educating.

 

Xum

Brotha Xum wrote:  My life experience has been that Black Americans are more stingy with knowledge than White folks and I have seen them hide info from each other plenty of times.

 

  Me too my brotha.  Tooo many times especially while I was in college the third time and returned after being a house wife and staying home with my children until they were old enough to enter pre-school.   I was little rusty in my study habits and my class were given a project with assigned study partners. Many of the older women in my class didn't like me cuz I didn't look like I had a gang of kids-isn't that STUPID?!!!    And so during our project assignment they would withhold vital information from me constantly until I had to just do the assignment on my own-just with the help of professor[who didn't understand why I couldn't get along with my group].

 

Longstoryshort, because of their ridiculous envy they didn't get the project right but I did so I obtain the "A" for myself and not for the group.  That's just one example.  I've also had many clashes with librarians black and white, black art directors, executive directors black teachers, black psychologists, black counselors, and.......BLACK PARENTS!!!  Only cuz I dance to a different drummer and they refused to understand that until they had no choice. .

 

 

That is why I post information about books and apps and technology but I don't seem get much feedback.

 

Although it doesn't seem like it but we do APPRECIATE your ongoing source of important books posted here.  At least i appreciate it. But I'm around a lot genius and brilliant children so please KNOW that your info from time to time have been passed on to them.  I know I am NOT a one-man show and it does TAKE a village.  Plus my memory regarding books isn't what it used to be....so you are a "gem" as far as I'm concerned.  Plus I can always depend on coming on this board and find unique links on sci-fi or tech info or mind-stimulating sites you've posted that I can give to a kid that I KNOW will guarantee a solid interest.  I guess I should have told you.  Sorry.   

 

That is another part of the problem, we seem to have an anti-reading culture.

 

Yep!  We have become lazy in our thinking especially in the LAST two generations.  I agree.  I think it's because there are now tooooo many distraction to keep children entertained which prevents the parents from encouraging reading like they use to.  But in my classroom, it was mandatory.  And four times a year, I would give a book contest to promote it further.  The parents weren't concern as much until they found out there were prizes attached to the contest..then it became "my little Johnny just looooooooves to read-thanks to you."  Bullshyte.  Little Johnny loved to read so he can participate in this contest that will give him a new laptop computer/ipod or a college book scholarship if he wins.  This is the incentive mainly cause parents know they don't have to pay for it.   

 

 

  I get accused of being a "brainiac" or showing off if I try to tell people stuff.

 

Well I get that alllllll the time.  And since I'm a girl with an out-of-the-box thinking  I always got dismissed or I'm crazy don't what I;m talking about until test day.  Then everybody's at my table asking last minute questions.

 

 So "playing dumb" makes life easier in some circumstances.

 

True.  But try to NEVER do that my brotha.  Always stand in your truth cuz you are sooooooo brilliant and it's their PROBLEM if they can't come up to where you are INTELLECTUALLY,  As we get older it's important to be ALL that we are otherwise it's an insult to the journey we've gone through. And what's more annoying?!  Trying to dumb down while being around dummies.  

 

I think the "White" designed educational system is more about controlling the distribution of knowledge than educating.

 

Bingo!  And the more folks realize that....the more people will understand that they have the POWER of educating themselves and to never stop questioning anything that falls under the hammer of racism.  Black people are becoming complacent and are accepting anything these days.  And being a person who is always challenged with "my knowledge" I know the worse thing a black person can be is being educationally controlled by those whose history placed your culture in bondage.

 

 We REALLY do have to learn to be more skeptical when it comes to the former two massas and their agenda regarding who we are. Otherwise, we will undo everything our ancestors accomplished before us who were told they were animals and don't have the capacity to think like humans.  Yet they thought beyond white humans abilities and managed to acquire phemenonal[sp] milestones in captivity and during Jim Crow.  So the million dollar question is.  Who are we gonna believe in terms of OUR education....massa or our lying eyes?     But

 

Although it doesn't seem like it but we do APPRECIATE your ongoing source of important books posted here.  At least i appreciate it. But I'm around a lot genius and brilliant children so please KNOW that your info from time to time have been passed on to them.

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I was about to post the exact same thing.  I share a lot of what is posted by Xum or strike up a conversation about it with the young people in my family and I especially believe that Science Fiction is a good avenue to get boys interested in reading, making connections and getting a sense of possibilities regardless of circumstances.  So, far, I do have one nephew that has decided, point-blank, that he "IS going to be a Scientists" when he grows up.  In fact, when he told me this, I said, "So, you want to be a scientist when you grow up?" and he corrected me by saying, "No, I don't want to be a scientist when I grow up, I am going to be a scientist when I grow up."  So, although I'm not a 'science buff' or anything, a lot of what Xum has posted has been like seeds I can just throw out there and see what comes up with the kids in my family and where I am passing it along.

Sista Sunnubian wrote:  So, although I'm not a 'science buff' or anything, a lot of what Xum has posted has been like seeds I can just throw out there and see what comes up with the kids in my family and where I am passing it along.

 

Exactly my sista!  Plus you said the word I was searching for i.e.  "seeds."  Brotha Xum has been planting these "seeds" as long as I can remember.  And I know outta that planting?  There has been some amazing growth in many of the children I've taught-like how you say changing their dialogue from "I wanna be" into "I will be."  That's a huge range of self-vision and it all comes from our Brotha Xum's endless effort to share what he knows onto the next generation of brilliance..our kids.    Sometimes we just NEED to point this out every now and then.   But!

I haven't read her book, so I can't comment on it. For all I know, the media could be taking her words out of context.

 

I will say that, in the case of education for example, some groups excel because education is more highly valued by those groups. They know that education, the right kind of education, is the key to future success. Some of our abysmally foolish people believe that getting good grades (especially in math and science) and speaking proper English is 'acting white.' I guess being ignorant and speaking poor English is being black. SMH. Our people have some serious psychological issues. Post Traumatic Slave Disorder. 

 

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