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but then supports a policy that has WHITE ADMISSIONS DIRECTORS determining the fate of Black College applicants.



dumbazz...admissions directors determine the fate of ALL students, black AND white...how else do you think the decision is made to accept or reject a student?..... but you are failing to look at the fact that white students with lower scores than blacks are getting in....while holding blacks to task for having lower test scores than other whites...why don't you try to examine the unscrupulous behavior of whites that caused the need for AA stupid Mf-ker......man you say some really stupid azz schit like a damn fool sometimes..........
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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he Federal Government has not and never has held a good working relationship with Black men and women thus this is not so much about the man on top as it is the continued work of the same man on top, doing things that we find repulsive.





YOU NEED TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION DUDE.

If the FEDS are going to do you wrong as a Black man. Why do you:

1) Seek to NATIONALIZE the money with the hopes that it will be REDISTRIBUTED back down to the BLACK COMMUNITY rather than keeping your money local AND MAKING SURE THAT YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY CAN SUPPORT THE STANDARD OF LIVING THAT YOU SEEK?

2) Always use the power of RHETORIC toward OUTSIDERS to your community, hoping that you can shame them into changing for your best intersts BUT YOU ARE SILENT OVER THE PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY who don't live up to their responsibilities as citizens?

3) Keep listening to Black Democrats In Civil Rights Leader's Clothing who tell you that the way to Black prosperity is by EXCLUSIVELY voting DEMOCRAT. Democrat success= Black success despite 40 years that says otherwise? (In your FALSE dichotomy many of you heard me say "Vote Republican". NO. I suggested that you look at other cultures and how they have eschewed the PARTISAN POLITICAL structure of the USA are now have a greater percentage of their high school students attending college WITHOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION than your kids do.


nigga shut up and quit trying to point at black people as the cause for all of their problems.....and quit trying to tell black people to turn away from money we put into this country..not only do you want black people to be burdened with a lack of civil rights protections (that are sorely needed, fuck what you think) and now you want us to not use OUR country and its resources like everyone else does? man I bet you would volunteer to pick cotton for free if you had the chance.....you really do feel less than whites and do not want to be a true equal huh? you would be satisfied with a lesser position in society because you think that would make them (whites) pleased with you......man you have in inferiority complex for real........
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So are you equally outraged by the unequal way that Americans are sacrificing for Bush's war in Iraq? The poor pay with their lives while the rich - having received a tax break - pay even less of their fair share and relatively little toward the war effort.


I have had several co-workers go to the war - THEY ARE NOT POOR.
This is a point of RHETORIC by you.

The total number of Americans who have served in Iraq divided (estimate: 350,000 in rotation) by 290,000,000 people in the USA EQUATES TO A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE US POPULATION WHO HAVE BEEN PUT IN HARMS WAY.
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admissions directors determine the fate of ALL students, black AND white.


You know what I mean. You "play dumb" even better than MBM to the point that I don't know when you are playing.

The SPECIAL POLICIES of these Admissions people DO have an impact. THIS IS THE VERY THING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ARGUING AS YOU POINT TO THE DROP IN ADMISSIONS AFTER AA HAS BEEN DISCARDED.

Why is this so hard for you to accept?
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nigga shut up and quit trying to point at black people as the cause for all of their problems.....


ULTIMATELY it will be made clear that while BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT THE CAUSE FOR ALL OF OUR OWN PROBLEMS, THE SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS WILL FALL ONTO OUR BACKS AS WE ARE THE CHEIF BENEFICIRIES OF SUCH A CHANGE

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and quit trying to tell black people to turn away from money we put into this country


I did no such thing. I only asked you to not be a CONSUMER CAPITALIST CO-CONSPIRATOR in support of global policies THAT YOU HATE.
How is it that you on the one hand KNOW that the OIL has BLOOD IN IT and yet you still CONTINUE YOUR CONSUMER WAYS AND CONSUME IT? Is this oil LAUNDERED now that it is in your gas tank? Or do you believe that the gasoline actually came from an oil well right below the station that you purchased it from.

I am NOT asking you to turn away from anything. I AM ASKING THAT YOU PUT YOUR OWN ACTIONS IN LINE WITH YOUR OWN RHETORIC.

At this point the claim "THEY executed this corrupt policy to obtain the jewels AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT as I was consuming it" DOES NOT FLY ANY MORE.

YOU KNEW BUT YOU CONTINUED TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION "Mr. Kevin - will that be CASH OR CHARGE?"
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THE SOLUTIONS TO OUR PROBLEMS WILL FALL ONTO OUR BACKS AS WE ARE THE CHEIF BENEFICIRIES OF SUCH A CHANGE
Tell me where does this logic, illogic come from?

Being the chief beneficiaries has what to do with people taking responsibility and accountability? Since you admit Black people are not the cause of all problems called "Black problems" then its clear Black people alone can't fix those things they have nothing to do with.

If you wanted to say something to the effect that historically we have been the only people we could rely on or something to that effect you should have said that. But then again you're RHETORIC MAN. Why should I expect you to make sense?

And who else benefits from those solutions?
WHO ELSE CONTRIBUTES? Let's break out that Forensic Analyst in you and go problem from problem and see who/what is the chief contributor(s)...

And ummmm.... a factory worker who falls ill from exposure to hazardous materials in his workplace, because he is/will be the "chief beneficiary" of improved health via hospitalization? Ummm... He is obligated to foot the medical bills right? Right? You know because it's him getting healthy and not his employer...

Thanks CF... I can always count on you for the most ridiculous logic paraded as serious/legitimate when it's really full of BS.
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its clear Black people alone can't fix those things they have nothing to do with.


And this is probably why you have your focus on changing the OUTSIDERS to a greater proportion of changing the INSIDERS.

At the same time despite the injury from the "kryptonite" you sure have done nothing to remove yourself from it's radiation. Instead you have attempted to get it to change it's fundemental property that makes it "krytonite" as it seeks to protect and perpetuate itself even if that meant harming you.


What you say is NOT CLEAR. Black people via our ordering can HAVE A FORCE THAT IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE ANTAGONISTIC FORCE OF RACISM AND REDUCE THE EFFECT OF RACISM AS THE RACISTS HAVE NO POWER OVER YOU.

Do you think that a White person sitting atop a corporation cares that a group of Mexicans in his city hate him because he is White and wouldn't give him the same service at their restaurant that they give their homeboys? The CEO doesn't need to go into their restaurant so he won't be a victim of their hatred.
The original sin of this bad act was made in the planning. As has been pointed in painful detail, New Orleans was written off years ago.

What is even more clear is that in the current time frame, New Orleans in particular was written off again. Emergency response in general was written off when Bush II appointed an amateur to head the nation's lead agency.

Example: In the late 1970s, our governor rewarded a politico friend,who was serving as head of PEMA our FEMA, Secretary of the Department of Environmental Protection (PADER). This was serious. The man was a retired Army general, but the last environmental decision he made was where to dig a latrine.

PEMA reacts when PADER tells them there is a problem.

This man was an unqualified decision-maker.

The racism against the 100,000+ African American-Americans was the primary reason for the tragedy of the City of New Orleans.

WE NEED A POLITICAL PARTY OF OUR OWN.

NOW.

PEACE

Jim Chester
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What you say is NOT CLEAR. Black people via our ordering can HAVE A FORCE THAT IS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE ANTAGONISTIC FORCE OF RACISM AND REDUCE THE EFFECT OF RACISM AS THE RACISTS HAVE NO POWER OVER YOU.
DUMBASS!!

Who the FUCK said anything about "racists" having power? In my analogy there wasn't an individual or group of individuals per se who were the "hazardous material" in the workplace. The Harzardous Material existed BEYOND INDIVIDUALS. Likewise RACISM exist beyond said "racists" - i.e. individuals. So what the FUCK are you talking about?

When you get a clue then you can comment. Until then STFU!

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At the same time despite the injury from the "kryptonite" you sure have done nothing to remove yourself from it's radiation. Instead you have attempted to get it to change it's fundemental property that makes it "krytonite" as it seeks to protect and perpetuate itself even if that meant harming you.
So you're saying AMERICA is RACIST to it's "kryptonite" core and there is a better place for Black people to be than in KRYPTONITE AMERICA? Right? (You know, contrary to your AMERICA IS THE BEST PLACE rhetoric...)

I mean, what was that rhetoric about "removing one's self from the krypto-RADIATION"???

Once again, you play yourself with the mound of DISCONNECTED RHETORIC where you are subject to say anything just to be a contrarian or maybe you're too dumb to realize how you contradict yourself. That would, no doubt, be a product of being CONFUSED and CONCUSSED!

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And this is probably why you have your focus on changing the OUTSIDERS to a greater proportion of changing the INSIDERS.
No, my statement doesn't give WHITE PEOPLE and American WHITE SUPREMACY a pass like you do. I clearly said that if you're going to talk about RESPONSIBILITY then do it and do it across the board. Again, this is where the Forensic Analyst can play a role. Also:

The point is this:
You can't effectively address the health of a fish by not addressing the water the fish swims in. And, in the USofA, there are no boundaries between the White Waters and the Black Sea. The stuff blends in.


So you can focus INSIDE all you want, as exclusively as YOU do with your head in the White sand reducing American RACISM/WHITE SUPREMACY to nothing but the attitudes and actions of individual racists as ignorantly as you do.

With poor analysis like that, you have removed yourself from any serious discussion about all the socio-political dynamics because you obviously can't grasp simple concepts that are historically proven out. If American RACISM was strictly the acts of individuals in whatever role they were in then there would have never been a need for laws to be passed, etc.

As always, you have shown yourself ill-equipped to even begin to discuss topics beyond RHETORIC. Individuals Racists did have power of Black people in the past, even in Slavery, in and of themselves. You show me on Racists vs. one Black man and then tell me how the "power racism had over Blacks" in Slavery or Jim Crow was the mere product of individuals?

Now, I almost feel sorry for you for being so damn dumb.
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You can't effectively address the health of a fish by not addressing the water the fish swims in. And, in the USofA, there are no boundaries between the White Waters and the Black Sea. The stuff blends in.


On a pound for pound basis the "African fish", "Carribean Fish" and "Indian Fish" all of which have the same color SCALES as you do are able to come into this country and acheive greater success than the "native Black fish" that have accepted your concept of "Conditioned Hopelessness".

Why is it that this is the case InmagineHATE(r)?

Might it be that you have accepted the RESENTMENT BASED RHETORIC of your adopted leaders while they have seen the resources not available in their home country that are available here and are taking better advantage of it?
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Might it be that you have accepted the RESENTMENT BASED RHETORIC of your adopted leaders...?
No. As always, it is a case of you assigning beliefs and positions to people they do not have (i.e. I have not "adopted" whatever leaders you're talking about and you know that)...

And your Carribean and Indian (same color??) so-called examples are self-selected. What are the Indians and Carribeans doing in their own countries? You know, the whole CROSS SECTION of those populations?

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The "native Black fish"... have accepted your concept of "Conditioned Hopelessness".
C'mon RHETORIC MAN... List my Conditioned Hopelessness concepts <<< HERE >>>

You know, in my own words... Not your mis-interpretative rhetoric.

The very fact that the African, Carribean, Indian "fish", etc. "come here" illustrates that you are talking about very different and he incompatitable "fish". Also, which of the "native Black fish" are you comparing? Hmmm....

But even with whatever you say, you still cannot defy the logic in my analogy. Hmmm.... Again, you cannot address the health of a fish by disregarding the elements in the water. Pointing to immigrants who have similar skin color (hmmm.... you tend not to do that in other situation - e.g. CHINATown).... pointing to immigrants by definition speaks about a different breed of "fish" of whom a poor health diagnosis has not been made. With them being immigrants, for one, that says they have hardly been exposed to the mixed waters in any way to consider them comparable to African-Americans, let alone you asymmetrical comparison.

Again, until you compare a broad cross-section of such immigrant groups and do a more substantive analysis instead of spouting IGNORANT RHETORIC with no center or purpose but to castigate then you can save that BULLSHIT along with the rest of the shit you say.

Notice when you talk about CHINA TOWNs the condition of poor Asians seem to escape you. All of which is proof that your thoughts are based on nothing but DECONTEXTUALIZED, history adverse and disconnected rhetoric.

If you're going to ever properly compare immigrants to Americans of any stripe then you have to include the cultural waters that created the health these immigrants come to this country with and, out of all things, you can't ignore how these immigrants outclass ALL AMERICANS. So all you have done is indict the American "waters" more than I ever did.
"1) Seek to NATIONALIZE the money with the hopes that it will be REDISTRIBUTED back down to the BLACK COMMUNITY rather than keeping your money local AND MAKING SURE THAT YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY CAN SUPPORT THE STANDARD OF LIVING THAT YOU SEEK?

2) Always use the power of RHETORIC toward OUTSIDERS to your community, hoping that you can shame them into changing for your best intersts BUT YOU ARE SILENT OVER THE PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY who don't live up to their responsibilities as citizens?

3) Keep listening to Black Democrats In Civil Rights Leader's Clothing who tell you that the way to Black prosperity is by EXCLUSIVELY voting DEMOCRAT. Democrat success= Black success despite 40 years that says otherwise? (In your FALSE dichotomy many of you heard me say "Vote Republican". NO. I suggested that you look at other cultures and how they have eschewed the PARTISAN POLITICAL structure of the USA are now have a greater percentage of their high school students attending college WITHOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION than your kids do." by Constructive Feedback


This is true, and why the Mayor of New Orleans would place all the blame on President Bush is beyond me. Heck, all the residents were forewarned:

A. Of the possible damage that Hurricane Katrina would bring to the area.

The Drowning of New Orleans!

Katrina was a disaster waiting to happen!

As Applied to Local, State, Federal Government officials, and/or other influentual individuals, No One Can Actually Say That They Did Not Know of the Existance of This Potential Hazard in Advance!

B. The mayor of New Orleans and/or local government officials, who by and large are also Black, knew the levy barrier was in serious need of replacement or repair, and not a one of these individuals made preparation to assist the poverty stricken, the many Black people who needed assistance to move out of this area, before the calamity hit.

C. .....and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, has the audacity to state, "Get off your ass, Federal Government, President Bush, Caucasian America, etc., etc., and do something about this",

.......while the majority of residents of the area in distress are Black,

........and the majority of U.S. citizens, and/or otherwise, taking the necessary risks to rescue, provide medical treatment for, provide policing security for, feed, cloth, provide shelter for, finance the reconstruction of, and/or who will actually take risks to replace or rebuild the many structures damaged by this natural disaster will be Caucasian, and/or anything else but Black people.

More likely, New Orleans Mayor Nagin, should have gotten off of his rump, months ago to make an attempt to relocate or make preparation for this possible serious set of events. It is certain that the outcome would not have been as life threatening to the many poor Black residents of this community, had Mayor Nagin, and/or local government officials taken action sooner.

This reality being stated, the local elected officials, and/or others are more to blame than the Bush Administration for the many unnecessary lives lost, civil unrest, chaos, and/or missing in action.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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You can't effectively address the health of a fish by not addressing the water the fish swims in. And, in the USofA, there are no boundaries between the White Waters and the Black Sea. The stuff blends in.


On a pound for pound basis the "African fish", "Carribean Fish" and "Indian Fish" all of which have the same color SCALES as you do are able to come into this country and acheive greater success than the "native Black fish" that have accepted your concept of "Conditioned Hopelessness".

Why is it that this is the case InmagineHATE(r)?

Might it be that you have accepted the RESENTMENT BASED RHETORIC of your adopted leaders while they have seen the resources not available in their home country that are available here and are taking better advantage of it?


Excellent analogy from Brother NMaginate. The problem with your rebuttal, CF, is that you ignore the effects of PROLONGED EXPOSURE. If an entity recently arrives into a polluted environment, the environmental effects upon that entity will be much less than the effect upon the entity that has had prolonged existance in the polluted environment.
NTA,

I appreciate you articulating part of my sentiment and rebuttal to CF's BS... PROLONGED EXPOSURE, indeed.

But beyond that, CF's basic premise rest on the idea that Black People in America are an Island. He acts as if the PROLONGED EXPOSURE has had no effect. Neither does he account for the AMERICAN Culture that manifest (and how it manifest) in so-called Black Culture. Of course, he equate Black Culture with its negatives and other cultures with their positives. So by definition his comparison are ill-fated.

See... He brought up immigrants, so-called Black immigrants (how Indians rank as "Black", I don't know but whatever)... What he failed to do was examine how these very immigrants he's imagining outclass ALL AMERICANS, White and Black.

With his belligerent CHINATOWN references, it's funny how he has little to say about how Asians outclass White Americans, educationally. Back when the U of M affirmative action case was in the news, Senator Biden said that if Stanford University admitted students strictly on terms of academic merit, it would be ALL ASIAN - i.e. no Whites, no no one except for native and immigrant Asians, from Chinese to Indians, etc.

So, all CF has done is further indict the inadequacies of the American system, the virtual Enviromental Racism that has always dumped its waste from stereotypes to Savage Inequalities in Education in the Black Community.

So, in his view, Black people are suppose to exist in this country without the comforts of a culture of their own cultural heritage, survive a racism that systematically underdeveloped not only their culture but all other capacities and then be competitive to others who have not be comparatively colonized and dominated. No Forensic Analyst worth his salt would ever berate a people who have come out of that history and has shown the resilience African-Americans have while still under FOREIGN OCCUPATION.

Black "Leadership" is what it is because of WHITE SUPREMACY. The WHITE SUPREMACY a NEGRO like CF has no challenges for in a manner completely against the very struggle that gave this NEGRO the ability to take advantage of the America he presents as "better" than any other place.
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Excellent analogy from Brother NMaginate. The problem with your rebuttal, CF, is that you ignore the effects of PROLONGED EXPOSURE. If an entity recently arrives into a polluted environment, the environmental effects upon that entity will be much less than the effect upon the entity that has had prolonged existance in the polluted environment.


An intelligent human being with the FREE WILL to choose where he will reside AS EVIDENCED BY THE MELANATED PERSON FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY WHO CHOSE AMERICA TO RESIDE is a person that has CHOSEN TO REMAIN EXPOSED.

CLEARLY his perceived benefit in the country of exposure coupled with the FAILURE of those who he choses to lead him result in his continued receipt of radiation from the kryptonite.

His leaders ONLY link to the spirit of RESENTMENT that are among the people. In doing this they are able to have the masses ACT AGAINST a certain force BUT NEVER, NEVER, NEVER will this same leadership style have them to lay claim to their ability to manage and organize their INTERNAL RESOURCES for their own benefit - enforcing priorities on the one hand and foregoing that which is a threat to forward movement on the other hand.

The one thing that this man fears while in his current state and as he listens to his "leaders" (as we heard them in Atlanta a few weeks ago) IS THE DAY WHEN HE IS ISSOLATED FROM OTHERS AND HAS HIS OWN STANDARD OF LIVING DEFINED PRIMARILY BY HIS OWN EFFORTS AS REPRESENTED IN THE ECONOMY THAT HE CREATES. This is the day of great fear. He would rather live in this current SYSTEM and work to change the properties of the krytonite.

PROLONGED EXPOSURE. Classic case of RHETORIC in misalignment with ACTUAL LIVING.
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But beyond that, CF's basic premise rest on the idea that Black People in America are an Island. He acts as if the PROLONGED EXPOSURE has had no effect. Neither does he account for the AMERICAN Culture that manifest (and how it manifest) in so-called Black Culture. Of course, he equate Black Culture with its negatives and other cultures with their positives. So by definition his comparison are ill-fated.



I will tell YOU as I have told Noah. I don't mind the debates.

I can't tollerate the MISREPRESENTATIONS.

I have NOT stated that the "exposure" has not hurt.

I HAVE ASKED YOU - "WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO BE EXPOSED"? You do have a choice, don't you?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
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But beyond that, CF's basic premise rest on the idea that Black People in America are an Island. He acts as if the PROLONGED EXPOSURE has had no effect. Neither does he account for the AMERICAN Culture that manifest (and how it manifest) in so-called Black Culture. Of course, he equate Black Culture with its negatives and other cultures with their positives. So by definition his comparison are ill-fated.



I will tell YOU as I have told Noah. I don't mind the debates.

I can't tollerate the MISREPRESENTATIONS.

I have NOT stated that the "exposure" has not hurt.

I HAVE ASKED YOU - "WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO BE EXPOSED"? You do have a choice, don't you?


Clearly, which is a word you like to use, we are demonstrating our choice...which is to clean up the polluted environment in which we were born into.
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Originally posted by BIG SHAFT:
But I thought the french hate Bush which would have me slamming him right? Oh you're not particulary bright are you?



Why you ignorant house nigger, can't you see that Frenchy is the name of one this board's regular contributors. Scroll up, idiot.

These crawling out of the woodwork jiggaboos talking shit about blacks in a time like this are about the lowest of the low...




Ahh you so right Solomonic, did not see that, my bag.
Now what is this about saying shit about black folks, you are kidding me right, what you don't like my comments about Mayor Ray. I will ignore the jiggaboo comment it's allright now lets see you engage, dispute the fact that Mayor Ray shoud be held accountable here.
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Originally posted by BIG SHAFT:
OK let me see if I get this straight, a black mayor running a predominantly black city where 27% of the people are under the poverty line. That translates to about oh, 50,000 households that don't own a car. He orders an evacuation and leaves the most vunerable of his constituents behind with no means to get out. These by the way are the facts, now here are the questions;

1 Did mayor Ray know these folks did not have cars
2. Did mayor Ray not care that these folks had cars
3. Did mayor Ray care about these poor folks period

Here we have this nigger, who is pointitng the finger at everyone but himself trying to lay the blame at everyone feet to deflect blame from his utter and inexcusable incompetence. Yes I agree the Fed response was pathetically slow, but when the water recedes and the body count mounts, the majority of this should be placed at the feet of Mayor Ray, an obvious failure of leadership.

The stench coming out of New Orleans comes from years of corruption, not caring about the poor and of course, the welfare state. There was a lot of black folks that got of Nawleans, nobody is talking about that, you know what those folks have in common? most of them are self-sufficient. You foolish-ass negroes can keep blaming as many white folks as you like, everytime I see a black mayor, I see black folks suffering in misery, continuing to add to the permanent underclass.
Isn't it interesting though that we never heard about the stench that always resided in city hall before. The media was strangely silent when everybody was shucking and jiving along, blck folks living in poverty and horrible conditions.

Now that we have a tragedy which exposes Mayor Ray and his cronies along with that incompetent ass Governor, the blame should go to Bush.

That's OK though because the people that lost their loved ones, they know the deal, they know the deal


Well said Big Shaft,

Indeed this is true. Mayor Ray Nagin especially, and the Governor of Louisiana, Mayor Nagin, more so than the Bush Administration, should have been the first line of defense, offense, action, etc.

As it stands, by and large, the affluent, middleclass Blacks, middleclass Caucasian, other individuals of middleclass status left New Orleans, well in advance, of the wrath of Hurricane Katrina and the death that followed.

It should have been Mayor Ray Nagin's first responsibility to aid the disenfranchized, the poverty stricken, who primarily are Black, so that they too, would have escaped the wrath of Hurricane Katrina, and the death that followed.

It is a known fact that typically our own Black leadership could care less about the plight of the Black underclass, and/or the Black community in general.
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The original sin of this bad act was made in the planning. As has been pointed in painful detail, New Orleans was written off years ago.


This is the bottom line.....this problem just didnt 'appear'!! The government knew the issues concerning this area, they knew that a Cat. 5 hurricane would wipe out the city..........and chose to do nothing.

They played 'rush n roulet' and lost.

.......Also, any Mayor in any city, has LIMITED authority.

I dont understand........as a human being, and without all of the government/political, chain of command BS, why didnt the president just make a phone call to the governor, making sure all bases were covered.

This is inexcusable......

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