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1. EVERY NOW AND THEN AMERICA'S RACISM SPITS IN YOUR FACE.

THIS TIME ITS CALLED NEW ORLEANS.

2. Can anyone spell incompetence.

I can. A-R-R-O-G-A-N-C-E.

RACIAL DISDAIN.

BENEVOLENT NEGLECT!!!!!!!

DON'T TELL ME AFRICAN AMERICA IS NOT A SPECIAL PLACE.

This is the only explanation for failing protect a city that has been known, and studied to be defined for, and funded for the correction of, its vulnerability.

What is happening in New Orleans is negligent homicide by a sovereign power.

And it is on-going.

This is beyond politice.

George W. Bush, and those around him,

Rumsfeld is closing bases with thousands of beds, and kitchens WITH FOOD.

Man oh Man.

WE NEED A NATIONAL POLITICAL COMMITTEE DEDICATED FIRST, FIRST, TO THE NEEDS OF AFRICN AMERICA.

PEACE

Jim Chester
African Americans for African America http://iaanh2.org African American Pledge of Unity We stand, Together, after left alone in a land we never knew. We Bind ourselves, Together, with the blood and will of Those who have gone before. From the Bodies of our Ancestors thrown away, from the Pieces of Ourselves left to perish, We rise as One, a New Body in a New Land, a New People in a New Nation. Of Common Mind, Body, and Spirit, By Declaration of our Amalgamated Individual and Personal Authorities, We Are African America. © James Wesley Chester 2004; 2008 You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
1. EVERY NOW AND THEN AMERICA'S RACISM SPITS IN YOUR FACE.

THIS TIME ITS CALLED NEW ORLEANS.

2. Can anyone spell incompetence.

I can. A-R-R-O-G-A-N-C-E.

RACIAL DISDAIN.

BENEVOLENT NEGLECT!!!!!!!

DON'T TELL ME AFRICAN AMERICA IS NOT A SPECIAL PLACE.

This is the only explanation for failing protect a city that has been known, and studied to be defined for, and funded for the correction of, its vulnerability.

What is happening in New Orleans is negligent homicide by a sovereign power.

And it is on-going.

This is beyond politice.

George W. Bush, and those around him,

Rumsfeld is closing bases with thousands of beds, and kitchens WITH FOOD.

Man oh Man.

WE NEED A NATIONAL POLITICAL COMMITTEE DEDICATED FIRST, FIRST, TO THE NEEDS OF AFRICN AMERICA.

PEACE

Jim Chester

tfro
I honestly believe that many people are desensitized to suffering when the people are black as opposed to when they are white. When you look at the black faces coming from Africa, the tragic events in the Caribbean like in Haiti, people are to USED to seeing blacks suffering to the degree that they are desensitized. Also, many people don't believe that black folks value life the same way that white folks do. This is how they rationalize the black homicides and fatherless households and other behaviorism they see as being internal or genetic in root. Consequently, when black folks face hard times, many folks, some even black, see it simply the consequence of being black...and inferior.

No doubt some people are saying that it is their own fault for not leaving when there was a call or order to evacuate. They ignore that this is one of the poorest cities in the country, in one of the poorest regions and states in the country. Hence, not everyone had the means to evacuate. If this tragedy took place in Portland Oregon, the empathy and response and outpouring would be immensely different. They would have been seen as hardworking productive people....in other words, assets to society and the nation. On the other hand, in NO, those people are not seen as hardworking and productive....in other words, they are seen as liabilities to the nation. Consequently, the likely different response.
James Wesley Chester:

Seemingly the other posters have accepted what you say. (Of course I am an Uncle Tom for daring to ask you to justify your position - but anyway):

I will ask you to turn your position around and DEFINE for us what the picture that you have in your mind LOOKS LIKE for you to say:

"These people were made into people in need by the storm and all of the authorities responded accordingly to my satisfaction that RACE AND RACISM was not a factor in their recovery efforts."

Could you define this for me. Thanks.


******
It seems to me that many of you allow yourselves to REFERENCE some ideal that would have you to believe that the REAL WORLD event in front of you is persistenly short of your satisfaction.

It is possible that reality is attempting to show you that it is YOUR EXPECTATIONS that are out of alignment.
Noah the African, I would agree with your assessment when the reports first started. The folks where I like certainly voiced some of the same criticisms. But the proliferation of pictures and videos and reports coming from the area have turned the tide somewhat.

I fired off emails to all of my elected officials and several came back with messages of full mailboxes. It is not Black people alone who are increasingly outraged. This morning I saw that Bush has finally spoken out and called the response "unacceptable." He is a large part of why it's unacceptable, but I'm of the opinion that only strong criticism from a large number could have ever prompted this pompous administration to issue any sort of comment on what a disaster this is turning out to be.
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He is a large part of why it's unacceptable, but I'm of the opinion that only strong criticism from a large number could have ever prompted this pompous administration to issue any sort of comment on what a disaster this is turning out to be.


Again you say "This Administration".

Why is it that the Federal government becomes "evil" to so many Black people when the opposition party is in power?

You know as well as I do that a different man on top with a different party would produce little difference to the man stuck in the Civic Center wanting to depart.

(Of course I will be said to be "Defending Bush" rather than questioning you as to why you express such bias when you know in your heart that there would not be a difference in results otherwise.)
Please tell me the FUNDEMENTAL difference the responsibility to THE COMMUNITY that one man Black or White who decides to take a job as a police man and then is required to protect and serve his community during this type of catestrophic event

versus

another man who serves in no such official capacity but is a member of the community none the less. While other CIVILIANS are obtaining large plastic tubs, assisting people who are stranded to float away to safety and is thus CONTRIBUTING to the community HE INSTEAD seeks to benefit SELF and decides to be a LOOTER/FINDER.

Why is it that the "officials" have OBLIGATIONS AND EXPECTATIONS assigned to him but THIS CIVILIAN MAN WHO IS FULLY CAPABLE OF ASSISTING (important point coming up)HAS NO EXPECTATIONS ASSIGNED TO HIM FOR HIS ASSISTANCE. He typically LIVES DOWN to these low expectations.

What is MAGICAL about a police officer that has him to perform in this way during a disaster but NOT this civilian? Both are men but one is an "outsider" to the community attempting to impose his laws during normal circumstances.

The CIVILIAN is accepted as a part of the community in normal circumstances, however.
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You know as well as I do that a different man on top with a different party would produce little difference to the man stuck in the Civic Center wanting to depart.


The question then is why the hell are you even typing out those words if that is the case. Do you think you have some insight we do not? The Federal Government has not and never has held a good working relationship with Black men and women thus this is not so much about the man on top as it is the continued work of the same man on top, doing things that we find repulsive. You are really trying to find ways to defend white fok when it is clear that the reaction to what is happenong in NO is subpar and unacceptable. Even Michael Savage, the defender of the white Christian Male has been articulating this view point on his show everyday but leave it to a Negro like you to defend Bush. You are a real piece of Shit Renaldo.
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Again you say "This Administration".

Why is it that the Federal government becomes "evil" to so many Black people when the opposition party is in power?

You know as well as I do that a different man on top with a different party would produce little difference to the man stuck in the Civic Center wanting to depart.

(Of course I will be said to be "Defending Bush" rather than questioning you as to why you express such bias when you know in your heart that there would not be a difference in results otherwise.)


Please re-read my remarks. This administration has continually shown itself unresponsive to voices of dissent. Everything is approached in a "full-steam ahead in our own direction, doesn't matter what anyone is saying, we don't need to justify anything to anyone" way. Witness the way the war in Iraq began. The fact that Bush has even acknowledged that the response has been unacceptable is what I found surprising and surmised that it must be the result of major pressure.

You seem to want to take this into a "why do Black people hate the Republican party in general" direction and, besides finding that in poor taste at this moment, it is coloring the way you are reading my remarks. I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. They are both the "opposition" as far as I am concerned (one moreso than the other, but that is neither here nor there).
I'm pretty pissed as well but since I don't claim to be a republican or democrat, I'm blaming them all as to me all politicans are useless. I'm divided on the racial angle but I am beginning to wonder..............
I have supported the government whether I agreed or not and I can not figure out how they let this shit happen. We can run half way around the world to fight a "war" but we can't get those same supplies 100 miles down the road. Our living conditions weren't great but it wasn't as bad as what our own people are enduring each day b/c of incompetence. I am really embarrassed and I have never questioned my "loyalty" to the country as much as I have in these last 2-3 days.


catch
Seeing how expeditiously our government responded to a dying Terry Schivao, WHY has it taken so long for a response to the desperation of living, breathing and thinking Americans. No, I'm not black and you don't need to be to be outraged at the disparity of this situation.

This administration should be ASHAMED for its slow response to this tragedy.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
James Wesley Chester:

Seemingly the other posters have accepted what you say. (Of course I am an Uncle Tom for daring to ask you to justify your position - but anyway):

I will ask you to turn your position around and DEFINE for us what the picture that you have in your mind LOOKS LIKE for you to say:

"These people were made into people in need by the storm and all of the authorities responded accordingly to my satisfaction that RACE AND RACISM was not a factor in their recovery efforts."

Could you define this for me. Thanks.


******
It seems to me that many of you allow yourselves to REFERENCE some ideal that would have you to believe that the REAL WORLD event in front of you is persistenly short of your satisfaction.

It is possible that reality is attempting to show you that it is YOUR EXPECTATIONS that are out of alignment.


That's easy. I didn't say it.

I didn't think I could forget saying something like that so I went back and looked.

Up to your posting, I made only the initial post.

I didn't see.

If you do, please point it our.


PEACE

Jim Chester
I'm divided on the racial angle but I am beginning to wonder..............---ocatchings

I know. It is such a flagrant act. That's one of the reasons I used the word 'ARROGANCE.'

I really thought about this before posting a charge of 'racism'. Upon consideration, I concluded it is the right characterization.

I've never mentioned it before because it wasn't relevant, but I have fairly extensive experience in dealing with emergencies that effect large geographical area, and major portions of a given population.

New Orleans today is not the way it is done.

Some factor had to have been a 'last minute', or 'overriding' influence for this kind of thing to have happened.

It is the kind of influence that can be exercixes from the highest place in the decision-making hierarchy.

It is an influence that defies all rationle for emergency preparation, not response, preparation.

All the things we know now were 'in the mix' when emergency planning was being done at least three years ago. There was a report issued, and a plan offered by The Corps of Engineers.

SOMEONE SAID, 'No.'

In addition, SOMEONE had to say no to the plan for protecting the 100,000 known to be left in the target area.

SOMEONE had to say, 'No.' to that plan.

The ONLY parameter that would enable a responsible decision-maker to ignore such a contingency in our society is race.

When the numbers of injured and dead start to come in people are going to really running for cover.

The numbers will be big.

Numbers of neglegence.


PEACE

Jim Chester
Welcome To The Terrordome:

Race, Class, Misplaced Priorities and Optional Tragedy.

I am, saddened, appalled, outraged and disgusted at my government's gross
negligence, monstrous mismanagement and callous indifference toward the victims
of Hurricane Katrina. I am, at this moment, ashamed to be an American. And let
me say, preemptively, that if anyone replies "well get out then" I will punch
you dead in your face. Yes. It's that real.

My initial response, like those of most of us who follow human tragedy, was one
of shock, pity, empathy. From whence, then, comes this wave of anger, this
storm surge of emotion seething within me that threatens to overcome my better
nature? It comes with the realization that, despite the capricious and
uncontrollable nature of the hurricane, the vast majority of the tableau of
misery that plays out before us represents an Optional Tragedy. Examination of
the facts that lie in the background, below the din of sensational news
headings, reveals a truth irreconcilable with the lofty ideals that we export
around the world at gunpoint: these people are dying mainly because they are
poor, and black. Beyond that, though, and not contradictorily, these people are
also dying because of the historic ineptitude and criminal indifference of a
Bush administration that has made the Federal Emergency Management Agency a
slavish servant of their idiotic ideology.

Optional? Yeah. In the earliest days of the news coverage, reporters and talking
heads parroted lines about people who decided to ˜ride it out', as if the
majority of the people in the path of Hurricane Katrina truly had a say in the
decision. The 2000 census listed New Orleans' population at 485,000, with 27%
below the ridiculously low federal poverty level. That works out to about
135,000 people, not counting others who may have slipped below the line during
our past five years of prosperity. The median income in New Orleans is $27,000,
so half of those 485,000 people made less than that. And that says nothing of
the surrounding areas of Louisiana, or of those living in Mobile, Alabama,
Biloxi, Mississippi, or in places so remote that they are not even on the
national radar.

How many people in households making $27,000 a year can afford to just up and
take a few hundred-miles trip on a couple of days' notice? Unlike a handful of
adventurers and some hardheaded veterans of hurricanes past, these people were
not trying to ˜ride it out', they had no ride out. Assuming, they did have a
car, in reliable, working condition, could they afford a tank of gas, at over
$2.50 per gallon? A hotel stay? Don't kid yourself. They didn't choose to stay,
they were Left Behind, like those forsaken by God in the best-selling fictional
biblical account of the ˜end times'. These souls were not Left Behind by God,
though, they were left behind by their fellow man.

The only ˜option' exercised was the option of the various city, state and
federal emergency management agencies to NOT provide for their evacuation.
There should have been convoys of buses and military transport vehicles BEFORE
the hurricane, offering transport to safety for any and all citizens. And yet,
on Tuesday I was hearing news anchors asking the dim, but by then-rhetorical
questions of "Why didn't they leave?", leaving talking heads and studio experts
to explain that economics played a major part, while giving no specifics, and
allowing unsophisticated viewers to guess for themselves how many were dirt
poor versus those who were hardheaded, and kinda ˜got what they deserved'.

What they SHOULD have been discussing was why nothing was done by the government
to provide transportation for these people to get them out of harm's way.
Hmm... Save that for angry editorialists to hash out in long-assed columns. But
I don't really expect much depth from national news media these days, so that,
while disappointing and maddening, it was not surprising. What was absolutely
shocking, however, was to hear Michael Brown, Director of FEMA, on Thursday
evening, following a live CNN broadcast from the convention center in New
Orleans, speaking, repeatedly, in terms of people who "CHOSE" to stay. Even
after the anchor, to his credit, corrected him and mentioned the poorest of the
poor status of those Americans living in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi,
Brown stubbornly or ignorantly continued to use the word "chose" to describe
why the people were in the path of Katrina's wrath.

More appalling, however, was that he, the top FEMA official, did not know until
hearing CNN's report in the background that there were thousands of people who
had been stranded at the New Orleans Convention Center for three days without
food or water. YOU CAN'T EVEN WATCH CNN?? That really inspires my faith in our
government's resolve.

The herding of people into the Superdome was an act of desperation, necessitated
by the utter lack of a plan to evacuate people who had no transportation from
the city. The president, dull-witted as ever, proclaimed on Thursday that, "I
don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees."

You don't think? I'll buy that. It didn't cross your mind while playing golf, on
yet another of your record number of vacations. And you must have MISSED the
news I watched, which, following Katrina's deadly romp through Florida, warned
that a Category 5 hurricane would destroy New Orleans as we know it, by
destroying the levee and canal system. The president could have also looked at
disaster readiness reports from FEMA in 2001 (pre 9/11), which listed a
category 5 hurricane in N.O. as one of the three likeliest, most catastrophic
disasters facing this country.

Can't recall when you saw that report, Mr. Bush? It was after you appointed a
political crony with no disaster management expertise (your former Texas chief
of staff John Allbaugh) as director of FEMA. And before you downsized FEMA from
a cabinet level department and made it part of the Department Of Homeland
Security. And before you started your optional war in Iraq (which by the way,
is where 35% of the disaster area's National Guard troops are). It was also
before you decided to privatize the agency, and contract out a lot of its
function. And definitely before this June, when you slashed the New Orleans'
Army Corps Of Engineers budget by $71.4 million, including money designed to
prevent floods and shore up the levees.

Bush's administration in 2001 decried that FEMA could engender a ˜culture of
entitlement' (what's all that ˜provide for the common defense and promote the
general welfare' stuff about, anyway?) among citizens. Under the savvy
direction of Allbaugh, armed with no disaster training but good ol' Texas
business know-how, FEMA reckoned it could save $200 million from its budget by
cutting so-called ˜mitigation' strategies, grants used to essentially help
prevent disasters, by moving people from flood plains, and making improvements
to local infrastructure and emergency facilities. $200 million is paltry (I
daresay, niggardly), compared to the billions of dollars of damage that
hurricanes do to our increasingly built up coastlines. The old chief of the New
Orleans Army Corps of Engineers quit over the continual slashing of his budget
and the tying of his hands regarding flood preparedness. The current chief
stated on national TV, after the levee breaks, that they were only built to
withstand a category 3 hurricane, and that was ok, because it was an acceptable
risk for the money they had to spend. If he were in corporate America he'd be
soo fired. As it stands, he'll probably be promoted.

I've learned all of this troubling information after the fact. It is infuriating
enough. But to juxtapose this record of governmental malfeasance with the
images and reports, first trickling, now pouring, from the Superdome? Putting
them there was desperate and, by definition short term. I worried when they
said folks needed to bring their own food. But with no running water (ie, no
working bathrooms), and no electricity, let alone AC, or food, or drinking
water, the place has become the Terrordome, a brooding, stinking cesspool of
people cramped together in ignorance and uncertainty, and increasingly littered
with corpses of victims of the colossal ineptitude of the public officials paid
to protect and serve them. The conditions are not only worse than those of any
prison in the US, if the inhabitants were rottweiler or pitbull puppies, the
˜owners' would be arrested for cruelty. They are sitting and sleeping in their
own feces because their government said "come here and we will help you", and
then never came back. Even slaves had water, and enough gruel to sustain the
strongest through the Middle Passage.

We, who can project our military might all the way around the globe, could not
get troops there right after the hurricane, and buses, and amphibious marine
transports to get these people out? Had they done so, and not left some of
those Left Behind to play out this sick, Lord Of The Flies type scenario (with
Wal-Mart guns), perhaps some of these suffering people would not have been
doubly and trebly victimized?

I see children on tv screaming "help us" and sad-faced news people zooming by in
their vans, footage in the can. I see looped footage of looting, as if stealing
t-shirts (or, stupidly, tv's) somehow justifies the treatment of the miserable
yet law-abiding masses of people waiting to die in the hot sun. People forced
to push their dead grandmothers off into a corner, against a wall, so the stink
of her body does not overpower those still hanging on. People who have climbed
through roofs and slid through windows with jagged glass, untreated, or waded
through waist high filth, to have guns drawn on them by cops threatening to
shoot them for taking the only available food from stores that will never see
another customer. And the many people who have waited for days for buses that
did not come and who have literally dived off of the elevated highway ramps to
their sacrificial death on the hard concrete below, on the altar of inhumanity,
indifference, and misplaced priorities. Hard concrete. Like the hearts of those
who say "we're doing all we can" but who expect us to believe that a single
gunshot warrants turning around a National Guard helicopter, thwarting these
˜heroes' from rescuing old ladies and babies on hand-cranked life support, when
their brethren face far more danger in Iraq, ducking bombs and bullets for no
good reason.

"They chose to stay". No. ˜We' chose to leave them, and every death of a person
who could have been evacuated, before, or right after the hurricane was
optional. Governors have called this ˜our Tsunami' as they fly safely over the
carnage. No. That is not quite right. Death, in the Tsunami, was democratic.
The super rich and abject poor alike were swept away with little to no
forewarning. No. Here, in the world's biggest self-promoting democracy, we had
options, and, like so many of our policies and politicians on a daily basis, we
opted not to give a damn about our poor. And so they died. And we wring our
hands about gas prices. Every needlessly dead person's body should be piled at
the feet of the irresponsible officials. So they can ponder their options.


Derek M. Jennings
I second that.

Now we are being forced to defend why these people's lives were worth saving. I just heard a FEMA guy (Michael Brown, I believe) saying the only thing that should've been done differently is that they should've found a way to convince people to leave when they don't want to. He did quite a bit of victim-blaming ("we said the evacuation was mandatory, what else do you want us to do" sort of deal). These guys are not human. How can they say these things? How can people agree with them? I can't even cry any more tears. My emotions are exhausted.


R-E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N
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I just heard a FEMA guy (Michael Brown, I believe) saying the only thing that should've been done differently is that they should've found a way to convince people to leave when they don't want to.


Sounds a lot like our President, in his inability to accept responsibility for his mistakes. Hell, not even acknowledge that there was in fact a mistake. Mad
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Kresge,

That writing literally brought a tear to my eye. And when I showed it to two co-workers, both staunch Right Wing Conservatives, one cried, the other walked out of my office without saying a word.

E-mail it to every paper, blog, media outlet, politician you can think of. If you don't, I will.

I have sent it to several people. It went out on the Black Student Alliance Listserv at Rice earlier today. I have tried to find the source, but I think that the author is a journalist for the Independent Weekly in Durham, NC. If anyone finds out more information, I would love to have.
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he Federal Government has not and never has held a good working relationship with Black men and women thus this is not so much about the man on top as it is the continued work of the same man on top, doing things that we find repulsive.



YOU NEED TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION DUDE.

If the FEDS are going to do you wrong as a Black man. Why do you:

1) Seek to NATIONALIZE the money with the hopes that it will be REDISTRIBUTED back down to the BLACK COMMUNITY rather than keeping your money local AND MAKING SURE THAT YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY CAN SUPPORT THE STANDARD OF LIVING THAT YOU SEEK?

2) Always use the power of RHETORIC toward OUTSIDERS to your community, hoping that you can shame them into changing for your best intersts BUT YOU ARE SILENT OVER THE PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY who don't live up to their responsibilities as citizens?

3) Keep listening to Black Democrats In Civil Rights Leader's Clothing who tell you that the way to Black prosperity is by EXCLUSIVELY voting DEMOCRAT. Democrat success= Black success despite 40 years that says otherwise? (In your FALSE dichotomy many of you heard me say "Vote Republican". NO. I suggested that you look at other cultures and how they have eschewed the PARTISAN POLITICAL structure of the USA are now have a greater percentage of their high school students attending college WITHOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION than your kids do.
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You are really trying to find ways to defend white fok when it is clear that the reaction to what is happenong in NO is subpar and unacceptable. Even Michael Savage, the defender of the white Christian Male has been articulating this view point on his show everyday but leave it to a Negro like you to defend Bush. You are a real piece of Shit Renaldo.



*CF...he is not attacking you...look on this board and see how many times you have been told that in particular by numerous people...you have a 100% track record of defending white folks...even when the schit they do is blatent...and you always make the schit black people go through or face be a reflection black of inferior thinking and mindsets........and many of us have accomplished and contribute waaay more to black causes than any negro_CON...ya'll really repulse the schit out of me.........damn I wish you all could turn MJ's color to match your philosophies...then you all could just leave black people the hell alone........because a negro who can see no good in his own people and live to reinforce stereotypes as a black norm...should never have black children around them....you'll plant too much hopelessness in them and help them bask in some bitch azz notion of black inferiority..........
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
1. EVERY NOW AND THEN AMERICA'S RACISM SPITS IN YOUR FACE.

THIS TIME ITS CALLED NEW ORLEANS.

2. Can anyone spell incompetence.

I can. A-R-R-O-G-A-N-C-E.

RACIAL DISDAIN.

BENEVOLENT NEGLECT!!!!!!!

DON'T TELL ME AFRICAN AMERICA IS NOT A SPECIAL PLACE.

This is the only explanation for failing protect a city that has been known, and studied to be defined for, and funded for the correction of, its vulnerability.
What is happening in New Orleans is negligent homicide by a sovereign power.

And it is on-going.

This is beyond politice.

George W. Bush, and those around him,

Rumsfeld is closing bases with thousands of beds, and kitchens WITH FOOD.

Man oh Man.

WE NEED A NATIONAL POLITICAL COMMITTEE DEDICATED FIRST, FIRST, TO THE NEEDS OF AFRICN AMERICA.

PEACE

Jim Chester



Mr Chester,


you said:

This is the only explanation for failing protect a city that has been known, and studied to be defined for, and funded for the correction of, its vulnerability.

It's been 36 years since Hurricane Betsy buried New Orleans 8 feet deep. Since then a deteriorating ecosystem and increased development have left the city in an ever more precarious position. Yet the problem went unaddressed for decades by a laissez-faire government, experts said.

Here's the link to the whole article:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/editorial/outlook/3335758

It may take some time to see WHO or what body of government was truly responsible for failing to take the necessary steps to insure a calamity of this sort would not occur.

But now that it has happened, it looks like the ball is being dropped on several levels......even the private sector too.
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CF...he is not attacking you...look on this board and see how many times you have been told that in particular by numerous people...you have a 100% track record of defending white folks...even when the schit they do is blatent



Now again folks - THIS I THE GUY WHO MAKES THIS STATEMENT........................

but then supports a policy that has WHITE ADMISSIONS DIRECTORS determining the fate of Black College applicants.


What I have been attempting to get across to many of you is the CLARITY OF THOUGHT - If this is the BLACK COMMUNITY of New Orleans who is suffering the most WHY IS IT THAT SO MANY OF OUR BLACK BROTHERS AND SISTERS CHOSE TO ACT AS CONSUMERS RATHER THAN RESCUERS.

(I give mad praise to all of the Black men and women who were seen doing their own rescue of loved one's in big plastic tubs that could float. They are the true heros of this tragedy)

At the same time we had a large contingent of young people who say this at a time to WORK FOR SELF or to continue preexisting gang rivalries inside of the dome.

Why did they lose their sense of COMMUNITY and become apart of those who HELPED rather than CONSUME? What in their CULTURE had them to not shift gears when they were needed?
CF - the rhetoric, respectively, is just too thick. sck

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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

If the FEDS are going to do you wrong as a Black man. Why do you:

1) Seek to NATIONALIZE the money with the hopes that it will be REDISTRIBUTED back down to the BLACK COMMUNITY rather than keeping your money local AND MAKING SURE THAT YOUR LOCAL ECONOMY CAN SUPPORT THE STANDARD OF LIVING THAT YOU SEEK?


I haven't read anything from you about this before so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Surely you're not recommending that we disband our national currency in favor of state currencies. I guess you're advocating that a greater percentage of your taxes go back to your local communities. Unfortunately, when conservatives see a Congressperson do this (fight to get federal tax dollars) they label the programs "pork" and disparage him/her.

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2) Always use the power of RHETORIC toward OUTSIDERS to your community, hoping that you can shame them into changing for your best intersts BUT YOU ARE SILENT OVER THE PEOPLE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY who don't live up to their responsibilities as citizens?


Can you provide any examples of this please? Seriously, I haven't a clue about what you are talking about. Precisely who within the African American community is "silent" about the need for African Americans to help themselves? Confused

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3) Keep listening to Black Democrats In Civil Rights Leader's Clothing who tell you that the way to Black prosperity is by EXCLUSIVELY voting DEMOCRAT.


How many Republicans have you heard encouraging Republicans to vote Democrat lately? Confused What on Earth are you talking about? Confused

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I suggested that you look at other cultures and how they have eschewed the PARTISAN POLITICAL structure of the USA are now have a greater percentage of their high school students attending college WITHOUT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION than your kids do.


How many of those other cultures you refer to endured slavery here for 400 years? How many were legally prevented from learning how to read and write for hundreds of years on these shores? How many endured generations of Jim Crow?

Why do you think that Richard Nixon created affirmative action? What did he know that you don't?
This is perhaps one of the most desperate things I've heard. The Mayor of New Orleans called in to a local radio station to talk about the lack of aid, his conversations with the president, the scene, and his demands. At times he is weary, at times he is furious, and by the end of the interview he and the interviewer finally break down in tears.

Click on the link to listen:
Radio Interview with New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin
OK let me see if I get this straight, a black mayor running a predominantly black city where 27% of the people are under the poverty line. That translates to about oh, 50,000 households that don't own a car. He orders an evacuation and leaves the most vunerable of his constituents behind with no means to get out. These by the way are the facts, now here are the questions;

1 Did mayor Ray know these folks did not have cars
2. Did mayor Ray not care that these folks had cars
3. Did mayor Ray care about these poor folks period

Here we have this nigger, who is pointitng the finger at everyone but himself trying to lay the blame at everyone feet to deflect blame from his utter and inexcusable incompetence. Yes I agree the Fed response was pathetically slow, but when the water recedes and the body count mounts, the majority of this should be placed at the feet of Mayor Ray, an obvious failure of leadership.

The stench coming out of New Orleans comes from years of corruption, not caring about the poor and of course, the welfare state. There was a lot of black folks that got of Nawleans, nobody is talking about that, you know what those folks have in common? most of them are self-sufficient. You foolish-ass negroes can keep blaming as many white folks as you like, everytime I see a black mayor, I see black folks suffering in misery, continuing to add to the permanent underclass.
Isn't it interesting though that we never heard about the stench that always resided in city hall before. The media was strangely silent when everybody was shucking and jiving along, blck folks living in poverty and horrible conditions.

Now that we have a tragedy which exposes Mayor Ray and his cronies along with that incompetent ass Governor, the blame should go to Bush.

That's OK though because the people that lost their loved ones, they know the deal, they know the deal
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Originally posted by BIG SHAFT:
But I thought the french hate Bush which would have me slamming him right? Oh you're not particulary bright are you?



Why you ignorant house nigger, can't you see that Frenchy is the name of one this board's regular contributors. Scroll up, idiot.

These crawling out of the woodwork jiggaboos talking shit about blacks in a time like this are about the lowest of the low...
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I haven't read anything from you about this before so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Surely you're not recommending that we disband our national currency in favor of state currencies. I guess you're advocating that a greater percentage of your taxes go back to your local communities. Unfortunately, when conservatives see a Congressperson do this (fight to get federal tax dollars) they label the programs "pork" and disparage him/her.



MBM - when you "play dumb" it seems too easy for you.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT TAXATION.

The Black Liberal Progressive Fundementalist loves the idea of everyone paying high FEDERAL TAXES with the hopes of they geting the benefit of INCOME REDISTRIBUTION according to their needs.

Unfortunately what this strategy does is to place "your money" in the hands of people who are not always focused on your interests be them Republican or Democrat.

I then said WHAT IS THE FEAR OF DEVELOPING A LOCAL ORIENTED ECONOMY AND HAVE YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING DEFINED BY WHAT YOU DO TO MAINTAIN IT AND NOT SOME AMERICAN STANDARD THAT YOU EXPECT OUTSIDERS TO MAINTAIN FOR YOU.
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I then said WHAT IS THE FEAR OF DEVELOPING A LOCAL ORIENTED ECONOMY AND HAVE YOUR STANDARD OF LIVING DEFINED BY WHAT YOU DO TO MAINTAIN IT AND NOT SOME AMERICAN STANDARD THAT YOU EXPECT OUTSIDERS TO MAINTAIN FOR YOU.


Perhaps you can offer some elucidation of this concept. I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

The Black Liberal Progressive Fundementalist loves the idea of everyone paying high FEDERAL TAXES with the hopes of they geting the benefit of INCOME REDISTRIBUTION according to their needs.


So are you equally outraged by the unequal way that Americans are sacrificing for Bush's war in Iraq? The poor pay with their lives while the rich - having received a tax break - pay even less of their fair share and relatively little toward the war effort.

And, btw, I imagine that the liberals you refer to above would only be interested in higher taxes paid by the wealthiest of Americans, not everyone!

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