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A group and movement in opposition to Affirmative Action is trying to take advantage of the superficial nature of politics by labeling its initiative as "The Michigan Civil rights initiative" and having people vote YES or NO on it. This is what you would call deceptive advertising, because many people who are not informed and who are Pro civil rights and Affirmative Action would vote YES thinking they were promoting civil rights.

The only good thing about this trickery is that it should force more people (black people) to be less superficial and less reliant on phrases as indicators of substance.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051215/NEWS06/512150467
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The article reveals that a meeting made up of (4) Canvasser Members failed--"...to approve an anti-affirmative action proposal for the 2006 ballot..."

It appears the public {including the blaq collective} signed petitions w/o knowing its full content...

To give the petition signers validity I will venture to say that the petition may have -- in fact -- been worded ambiguously. The same thing happens here.

You are absolutely correct, blaqs 'must' be astute and 'read' the small print and openly question petition proposals before ever commiting a signature--reading is fundamental!
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The only good thing about this trickery is that it should force more people (black people) to be less superficial and less reliant on phrases as indicators of substance.



Less

Reliant

he says!!!!!!!!!!!!

He has the NERVE to say "less reliant". Simply Amazing.

What are the "Asians" who now make up more then 50% of the population of UC Berkeley in the postmortem period of Affirmative Action at this school?
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In October, the Michigan Court of Appeals ordered the canvassers to place the initiative on the ballot because it had far more than the necessary 317,757 signatures.


Clearly they believe in dEMOCRACY.

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After being urged by the crowd, including an unidentified man who said: "Be a black man about this, please," Democrat Paul Mitchell, the only African American on the board, voted against placing the proposal on the ballot. Democrat Doyle O'Connor did not vote.


And of course their main tool is the "Strong Gravitational Pull of Race" (with them controlling what is good for Black people that is) rather than having the Black man on the board to vote his conscious.
fuck his conscience.......what is in the best interest of blacks....who probably put his ass in office in the first place? oh yeah..back to the simple azz issues of enrollments going up versus down based on policy choices? CF are you ever going to answer my question regarding blacks purging schools of lower-scoring white kids as an alternative to AA in COLLEGE ADMISSIONS? Why do you have a problem answering such a specific and direct question? what is wrong? you know the correct answer will force you to endorse blacks taking actions against whites to attain equality outside of the AA you decry so much....you always talk about my flawed reasoning and inability to think outside of the current traditional "box"....so now I am and why do I not get a response from you? just like you cannot anwer why a black would vote against AA or whether you would vote to retain or repeal it in its current form if it came to a vote.....answer please.........
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Originally posted by Pace Tua:
Great name- "By Any Means Necessary". And that's what it's coming to as governments, federal, state, and local move further and further away from doing what is right and just, and deceptive practices such as this are allowed.


It's okay for operatives to fly down to Florida on Enron jets to disrupt the voting process, so it isn't a surprise that they'd use deception to fill their petition. Their idea of the democratic process is to win by hook or by crook.

If it takes some shouting and foot stomping to halt a corrupted process, then by all means it should be done.
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CON-FEED, WHAT DO YOU, LOFTY AND COBB GET OUT OF THIS???



a pat on the back, a rub on the head..and they are told that they ain't like them other niggas...like that guy on boondocks who sings that self-hating ass song, "don't trust them old hungry azz niggas over dare"......they think that they are being complimented when they are told that they are not like us...but what they are really being told is that WE are not uncle tom sambo types.....you know.....they do not know the difference between when people talk AT you instead of TO you.........
While I do not agree with the way the petitions were handled (horribly)........
Diane Carey, one of the petition circulators, said people knew what they were signing.
"And if they didn't, they just weren't paying attention," she said.

...there is something else that's not right here...

"This has been a victory of mob rule," said Chris Thomas, director of elections for the Michigan Secretary of State. "Never before have I seen such absolutely incredible and unprofessional behavior from lawyers urging this disruption. They used these children as pawns."

Detroit school spokesman Mattie Majors said the students had parental permission to attend the meeting but were marked absent.

Let's see now, my child's future is in concievable question and .....I send my child/teenager to challenge the votes? Riiiight.

Seems to me if the ruling was that important I'll take myself as a concerned parent/citizen.
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what is in the best interest of blacks


The best interests of MY PEOPLE is to produce an environment in which our children have a PURPOSE IN LIFE AS SHOWN TO THEM BY THEIR PARENTS AND THOSE WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THEM WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

The entire process of raising them WILL SUPPORT THIS EFFORT.

The evidence of the proper working order of all of these efforts WILL BE THE FACT THAT THEY WILL BE STANDARD BEARERS on these academic standards that you claim are 'BARRIERS'.

Rather than focusing on defending certain polices that point to white folks asking them to make an exception for you to meet these standards YOU WILL INSTEAD FOCUS UPON THE GOVERNANCE OF BLACK FOLKS AND FIGURING A WAY THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN BE RAISE UP NOT JUST TO THE STANDARD BUT FAR BEYOND THE STANDARD, BEING PACE SETTERS FOR THE REST.

Some of us in the great amount of CONDITIONING that takes place within this country have been duped into fighting for the small picture rather than the big picture.

It is very interesting that the same people who say that Bush is wrong for tapping people's phone in pursuit of the greater concept of security for America say nothing about the tactics used by these kids as they pursue their cause for Affirmative Action.

As another year passes another set of HBCUs will close their doors because of the lack of interest in them from their base of "customers" who pay their bills. So many Blacks have bought into the notion that the Ivy League, the long held apex of White intellectual accomplsihment that they have begun to turn their noses up to institutions of their own, having them to wither on the vine like so many other Black owned and operated entities that were available when our attendence was not a choice but the only option to receive an education.

Some of you in your ARROGANCE and CONDITIONING cannot see what you are bringing about.

I am left to say "Forgive them Lord for they KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO".

Hating your enemy more than you Love yourself will have you to do some strange things.!!!
The American Council on Education released its 20th annual Minorities in Higher Education Annual Status Report, which revealed that minority college enrollment has surged 122% over the last two decades. According to the report, the high school completion rate riot African Americans has increased from 68% to 76%, while the rate for Hispanics rose more slowly--from 55% to 59%. College participation rates increased 14% for whites, 11% for African Americans, and 5% for Hispanics. Moreover, African American women remain much more likely than their male counterparts to pursue higher learning--42% compared to 37%. Overall, the college enrollment rate for African Americans has risen 56% in 20 years. The college graduation rate for African Americans in 2001 was 41%, up 8% from 1991. Historically Black Colleges and Universities accounted for more than 20% of all bachelor's degrees earned by African Americans.

The report also showed that the number of minorities who obtain professional degrees and doctorates has risen substantially over the past 20 years, with many pursuing advanced degrees in education and the social sciences.


African Americans's proportional representation increased minimally from 10.0% in 1976 to 10.5% in 1993, despite a 36.6% increase in their numbers in college.

There are 117 colleges and universities in the United States that are designated as historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs); that is, they were founded with the mission of educating black men and women. They range from highly competitive universities offering undergraduate and graduate programs to noncompetitive two-year colleges with open admissions. Affordable and academically rigorous, they keep alive the history and traditions of the African-American experience while at the same time welcoming an increasing number of students of other races and backgrounds into their community.

A growing trend
Today's African-American students can attend college anywhere their grades, talents and interests take them. Yet increasingly they're looking at HBCUs because they want the unique experience that only such institutions offer. In fact, "The last few years have seen a resurgence in HBCU enrollment", comments Lori Wright, coordinator of multicultural student recruitment at Xavier University in Cincinnati, Ohio. Students tell her they are considering HBCUs not so much because of racial issues, but because they want to share their cultural heritage with students like themselves.

Reasons of the heart
"Being an HBCU student is a deeply emotional experience," reflects Michael Tapscott, director of the office of minority student affairs at George Mason University in Washington, D.C. "For many black students who went to a majority high school and then come to an HBCU, it's a real awakening."

There were many reasons why Nabulungi Mack-Williams chose Spelman College in Atlanta. But a primary motivation was the knowledge that she'd be surrounded by people of her own culture who were successful in their fields. On a more personal level, she likes the family closeness that Spelman gives her. Reflecting on her years there, she says she particularly enjoyed being able to relate to financial aid advisers and professors as if they were wise aunts and uncles.

A link to a legacy
Some students come from families where several generations are HBCU graduates, which Thandabantu B. Maceo, director of admissions and interim financial aid director at Central State University, reports is often a big incentive for young people to want to experience an HBCU for themselves. "They see the value in continuing the tradition. There's a feeling of pride and association with an institution that your own people created and helped develop. They know there's a rich fraternal presence at an HBCU that can't be experienced on a traditionally white campus," says Maceo.

Mentors along the way
The connections that students make with their professors are part of the extensive mentoring facilitated by HBCUs. "This," says Antoine M. Garibaldi, provost and chief academic officer at Howard University, "is a factor in the high percentage of HBCU graduates who go on for their doctorates. Students see role models all around them and know that faculty members will assist them in securing internships and prepare them for careers."

http://education.yahoo.com/college/essentials/articles/..._black_colleges.html
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
"The last few years have seen a resurgence in HBCU enrollment", comments Lori Wright, coordinator of multicultural student recruitment at Xavier University in Cincinnati, Ohio.


I suppose some people are a late with their maniacal ranting and raving. I remember in the late 90's HBCU enrollment was dropping, but after the year 2000 registration began to increase.
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Originally posted by Isome:
If mob rule is accepted by the general public to halt a vote recount, then it is perfectly acceptable to halt the acceptance of a petition of questionable origins.

Big If....
In addition to finding the Board of Canvassers in contempt, the court could certify the petition and place the issue on the ballot.

The Civil Rights Movement of the 60's unapologetically used children; the times haven't changed.


In the 60's they used children to exact rowdy "mob rule" tactics?

Who would have been responsible if any of the kids had been harmed?
very divisive.
Feedback wrote:

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Rather than focusing on defending certain polices that point to white folks asking them to make an exception for you to meet these standards YOU WILL INSTEAD FOCUS UPON THE GOVERNANCE OF BLACK FOLKS AND FIGURING A WAY THAT OUR CHILDREN CAN BE RAISE UP NOT JUST TO THE STANDARD BUT FAR BEYOND THE STANDARD, BEING PACE SETTERS FOR THE REST.


...and I thanks bow
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
lol Too funny... Cosigning RHETORICAL BULLSHIT!!! appl


It only is exceeded by YOUR propensity to be an echo chamber for CONDITIONED HOPELESSNESS that some members of the board frequently spout.


PLEASE DETAIL FOR ME THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE STATEMENT?
CF does not want black people to stand up and be equals...he wants us to leave white people and their rich azz country alone, pay our taxes but do not ask for the sae thing whitey does from the government..he wants us to defer to whites as second-class citizens and not equals....that is why he cannot agree that black kids should purge lower-scoring white kids from colleges the way they do when they claim a lower-scoring black got their seat. Hell we wants blacks to paddle rafts from katrina so whites will have seats on the helicopters FEMA send to get people off of their roofs.....that is why he talks conceptually and never addresses tangible issues...he really thinks he hides that house-slave ass deference to white people effectively....well he does not......if you think i'm lying...go back and track all of the disparaging things he has said against blacks...but went silent on the same issues when it pertained to whites.......a true sambo who tries to project his disdain for being black on others...with shit like conditioned hopelessness and mediocrity...and the funny part is....he is not much of a high acheiver who is in the personal position himself to even make such judgements....hell neither am I.....and I could run circles around that cat NOW when I was in high school...that is why he never talks about himself on the basis of comparison to the inadequacies he claims are inherent to black people....that negro has a fetish for white people...plain and simple.......
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
... Cosigning RHETORICAL BULLSHIT!!! appl


...which is exactly why there's no need to answer goofus questions that are in no way part of the larger issue -- the larger issue being the shady acquisition of signatures on a petition. It's just not worth the effort to explain all the time.
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CF does not want black people to stand up and be equals...he wants us to leave white people and their rich azz country alone, pay our taxes but do not ask for the sae thing whitey does from the government..he wants us to defer to whites as second-class citizens and not equals.


Kevin does not believe that THE BLACK COMMUNITY CAN TAKE MEASURE OF OUR PRIORITIES AND BEGIN TO SHAPE OUR CULTURE SO THAT THESE PRIORITIES ARE EXPRESSED.

He has OUTSOURCED the RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CARE OF BLACK FOLKS TO THE SAME ENTITY THAT HAS HISTORICALLY ENSLAVED US, RAPED US AND REDLINED US.

Does Kevin seem like a RATIONAL HUMAN BEING?

A BRAINWASHED KNEEGROW IS A TERRIBLE THING. He has little confidence in the innate abilities of his people yet attempts to PROJECT his hatred against someone who DOES.

"By Any Means Necessary"

The fact that AA has allowed a few Blacks through the door BUT DID NOTHING FOR THOSE WHO REMAINED BEHIND AS THEIR SCHOOLS CRUMBLED and the FACT THAT THIS POLICY WAS TAKEN WAY AND IS NOT LIKELY TO RETURN TO IT'S FORMER STRENGTH IS NO OBSTICAL FOR KEVIN TO REEVALUATE HIS PLAN'.

Please send me you picture so I can make you the "poster child" for my tagline below.

Kevin announced that he was going to TOPPLE WHITE SUPREMACY. He only needs WHITE FOLK'S ASSISTANCE in getting the education that he will use to topple them.

GO FIGURE. giveup

"By Any Means Necessary

"By Doing The Things That Are Necessary, Step By Step."
Yeah motherfucker.....you like to talk allot of rhetoric and allot of self-serving vainglorious bullschit....but when it comes down to the measurable aspects of policy and politics you bitch and run like a punkazz coward...that is why you will talk your little bitch schit but avoid responding to my questions on policy alternatives such as purging lower scoring white kids from high-scoring black kids first choice schools..you talk all that schit about my support of AA and challenge me to think of an alternative...and when I hint at offering you one...you act like the pussy ass mothefucker you have been your whole life,...anyone who challenges me and then ducks and dodge when i respond....is a sorrier ass breed of negro than i ever have witnessed. Take a look at yourself and see how much of a pussy you really grew up to be.......
Ane by the way CF... I heve demonstrated more ability as what a black person can actually acheive than you will spend the rest of your life trying to catch up with...now with me viewing myself as an example of what a young black man can do...what is your basis for saying that I have low azz expectations in terms of what black people are capable of? Have I ever expressed that i was the only black person who i thought could read and write the way I do? Please tell me where in my posts you got such an impression. I think your own lowered level of acheivement makes you think that black men have to subordinate themselves for gratuties from benevolent whites as the only way to move the race forward......you need to go ahead and quit trying to window dress your uncle tommism and just admit that is the kinda house nigga you are.....you are not really disguising the fact at all...no matter how much you think your facade has any degree of sophistication to it...fuck you CF...you are a bitch who will never come head to head and face up and fight to defend what you believe in..because you know damn well that you cannot speak from the white man's premise as a black person..........and if you are white, your lack of understanding of the black reality is apparent also.....but you know something is wrong with your weird azz views..so answer the question or shut the fuck up..................
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....but when it comes down to the measurable aspects of policy and politics you bitch and run like a punkazz coward.


I DID TAKE A MEASURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I look at the number of BLACK KIDS who are at Berkeley.

They followed YOUR STRATEGY AND NOW THE WOULD BE BLACK FRESHMEN AT BERKELEY ARE FORCED TO ATTEND OTHER SCHOOLS WHILE THE ASIANS ARE AT 50%+ OF THE FRESHMEN CLASS.

Most people would look at the RISE AND FALL of Affirmative Action and note that WHILE THE DEMAND FOR IT BY BLACKS HAVE REMAINED STEADY - the WHITE HELD THE CARDS AS TO IF IT WOULD BE IN PLACE OR NOT.

Most people who DON'T PRACTICE WHAT MY TAG LINE BELOW DETAILS WOULD SEE THAT - [B]THIS IS A PROBLEM AND A FLAW IN THEIR STRATEGY.

You on the otherhand tell the masses "TRY HARDER . A DIFFERENT RESULT WILL COME ABOUT IF WE JUST - TRY HARDER".

I say GET A BETTER STRATEGY AND THEN TRY HARDER TO MAKE IT A SUCCESS.

*****
I am very, very comfortable with myself Bro. It seems to me THAT YOU are the one with some internal demons that need to be exercised out of you.
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Kevin does not believe that THE BLACK COMMUNITY CAN TAKE MEASURE OF OUR PRIORITIES AND BEGIN TO SHAPE OUR CULTURE SO THAT THESE PRIORITIES ARE EXPRESSED.

He has OUTSOURCED the RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CARE OF BLACK FOLKS TO THE SAME ENTITY THAT HAS HISTORICALLY ENSLAVED US, RAPED US AND REDLINED US.

Does Kevin seem like a RATIONAL HUMAN BEING?

A BRAINWASHED KNEEGROW IS A TERRIBLE THING. He has little confidence in the innate abilities of his people yet attempts to PROJECT his hatred against someone who DOES.



**yep CF..you cannot stand to see those negroes stand up to whites, be equals when you yourself chose to take the low road and be a sympathy case negro..you play that way behind closed doors and then attack other blacks who are not like you because they did not TOM out and view themselves as having to be less than a white in order to succeed in what you view as THEIR country and not ours....so go ahead with your disparaging views of blacks...and when it is all said and done..you will see that there will be many blacks who accomplished way more than you and never deferred to whites the way you have....and then you will realize that YOU were the person that placed your life in the hands and at the mercy of whites...not us.........
So what is your recommendation for acheiving the pre-AA repeal enrollment levels NOW? Are you willing to purge the lower-scoring white kids nationally as I suggested? Now if you do not post below this and answer the question directly, you will show what a punk bitch azz negro you are and why you do not get any respect in here.....so there you have it CF.....answer the question independent of AA and lets see where your heart is reallt at......and we can advance the discussion from there...see unlike your bitch ass....i can fade my point of view and discuss the issue using your logic...now lets see if you have the gonads to stand up and face the music.................

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