"And again...I post the challenge:

As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors...." by Kevin41

....I'm already in the winner's circle, and it is meaningless to me as to your assessment of me. Again I only give credit where it is due.

.......Demographic shifts, and redistricting are already in the works to rid this area of misfits in Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, Kevin Murray, Martin Ludlow, Diane Watson, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.

.....these individuals of deceit and sleaze won't be missed.

...and the many no good jackleg Black preachers only interest in Black people is to pimp the community out its earnings. This sacreligious group of no good preachers and deacons, days are also numbered, because as the Black community falls, so will its' jackleg preachers.

Mind you, many of these same preachers are being used as tools to deliver the Black vote to the Democratic Party. Furthermore, many of these no good jack leg Black preachers have all of a sudden leaned toward the Bush Administration, namely because the Republican Party, more so than the Democratic Party control the wealth! It is certain, that President Bush, is well aware of the deceit that exists, in the Black community.

The Bush Administration is not as gullible and won't be used or duped out of its assets by Black preachers, as the Black community has for far to long allowed itself to be pimped, cheated, etc.

Like that no good Black elected leadership, the no good jack leg Black preacher's days are also numbered. It is certain, these no good sacreligious individuals won't be missed either.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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"And again...I post the challenge:

As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors...." by Kevin41

....I'm already in the winner's circle, and it is meaningless to me as to your assessment of me. Again I only give credit where it is due.

.......Demographic shifts, and redistricting are already in the works to rid this area of misfits in Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, Kevin Murray, Martin Ludlow, Diane Watson, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.

.....these individuals of deceit and sleaze won't be missed.

...and the many no good jackleg Black preachers only interest in Black people is to pimp the community out its earnings. This sacreligious group of no good preachers and deacons, days are also numbered, because as the Black community falls, so will its' jackleg preachers.

Mind you, many of these same preachers are being used as tools to deliver the Black vote to the Democratic Party. Furthermore, many of these no good jack leg Black preachers have all of a sudden leaned toward the Bush Administration, namely because the Republican Party, more so than the Democratic Party control the wealth! It is certain, that President Bush, is well aware of the deceit that exists, in the Black community.

The Bush Administration is not as gullible and won't be used or duped out of its assets by Black preachers, as the Black community has for far to long allowed itself to be pimped, cheated, etc.

Like that no good Black elected leadership, the no good jack leg Black preacher's days are also numbered. It is certain, these no good sacreligious individuals won't be missed either.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Once again you missed the questions I posed....find proof that Dymally is an illegal...and please prove from a policy outcome perspective how programs that fed, educated and offered medical treatment to blacks was worse than those right-wing types that removed the programs and lessened black college enrollment and professional inclusion....LOFTON, can you stick to the question posted to you and answer it in a relevant way.....since these are things you declared to be true and factual. Can you substantiate your statement or am I asking too much of you to prove what YOU said in earlier posts?
Well Kevin41, and/or anyone else of similar expression,

...one of numerous examples of the many no good poverty pimping jackleg Black preachers, and/or other sleazy individuals.

A typical group of sacreligious misfits that can be found easily in any Black community within the U.S. It just so happens, many of these "unfit to be praised or honored" individuals are given a timeless "get out of jail free card" from the typical Black middleclass, be it university educated or otherwise, and/or other gullible supporters.

More times than not, those of disgrace to what it means to be a man or woman of the great almighty "God" have yet to be criminally indicted and branded as being felons.

Although many of these individuals have ripped off the Black community, big time, unless they expand their criminal enterprise to steal from Caucasians, and/or other ethnic groups, rarely is it the case that they are held to answer for being so disgraceful, criminal, unethical, sacreligious, and/or treasonous.

If left up to the typical Black community to reprimand, sue, hold accountable, and/or severely punish Black preachers caught stealing from the Black community, these misfits walk free to continue preying on the Black community!

.....More so than not, instead of punishment, far too many of these individuals are praised as if nothing ever happened. This again is a very strong indication that the Black community is indeed perverted, moving in the wrong direction, self destructive, and/or working in its' own worst interest, etc.

.....and since Black people continue to be the last hired and the first fired, because our community is heavily dependent on corporate America, government employment, and a limited few Black owned businesses for employment, as the opportunity to gainful employment continues to fall short, Black preachers will soon run out of potential Black church members to pimp!


The fact that no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally has never been the major theme of any posting. If you seek that answer you find it.

The theme of all this information as posted is that our own elected leadership, no good poverty pimping jack leg Black preachers, etc., are deceitful, treasonous, many times criminal, and unfit to be praised, and many times all with the blessings of the so-called university educated of the Black community. So much for being educated, because it does not take a university degree to understand this reality, and what must be done to arrest this activity!


....at any rate, their days are numbered, because as the Black community falls, so will its' leadership! Demographic shifts, and/or redistricting will rid Los Angeles County, and/or other jurisdictions of this scum!

....and this will be my last comment or response to the likes of Kevin41, or anyone else of similar expression.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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"Once again you missed the questions I posed....find proof that Dymally is an illegal...and please prove from a policy outcome perspective how programs that fed, educated and offered medical treatment to blacks was worse than those right-wing types that removed the programs and lessened black college enrollment and professional inclusion....LOFTON, can you stick to the question posted to you and answer it in a relevant way.....since these are things you declared to be true and factual. Can you substantiate your statement or am I asking too much of you to prove what YOU said in earlier posts?" - Kevin41


Give it up, Kevin41. You're never going to get any specifics. Most of his sources are from Comedy Central or The National Enquirer.


And...

Well ML, and/or anyone else of similar expression,

Is it "jackleg", jack leg" or "jack-leg"? You've used all three and I just want to be sure and use the correct grammatical form in my next sarcastic post. Is it one word, two, or a hyphanated word? Thanks.

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chilewillow....I guess it is my sadistic side that makes me want to see a fool make a statement....and when asked for proof to substantiate their own statement....their only response is to post something that does not relate to the question or tell me to find it my damn self.

I do not have to get a fool to communicate with me.......nor do I expect them to........I know how to offset their basic azz mental tactics of deflection and diversion, keep the dialogue specific.....and then just sit back and watch them expose the flaws in their own original statements....Lofton's thinking is not quite that advanced yet and he does not know jack schit about the principles behind being made to isolate himself from his own original statement....he does not see himself as making a statement and then backing away from it....he actually thinks his statements are all interrelated and consistent...when in actuality.....making a statement and then running from it just means you have been exposed as one who does not know what the f-k you are "talkin bout".....some people really trip me out.....
The misuse, mis-appropriation or stealing of church tidings by numerous jack-leg Black preachers who should have used money given by the benevolence of Black people to uplift the Black community, is contributing to the demise of the Black community. The church is exempt from taxation because the church's primary function is to reach out to help the oppressed, the sickly, the elderly, the destitute, the needy, etc., and not.....

.......and not the sleazy or the greedy!
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"jackleg", jack leg" or "jack-leg"? You've used all three and I just want to be sure and use the correct grammatical form in my next sarcastic post. Is it one word, two, or a hyphanated word? Thanks."

Well Chilewillow,

.....speaking of the correct grammatical or spelling form, it is hyphenated and not hyphanated.

.......be it jackleg, jack leg, and/or jack-leg the Black community is a dying community. Correct grammatical form is trivial in nature compared with this reality.[

This being said, you and Kevin41 can have your own one on one conversation on grammatical form, etc.

....and this reality, as it pertains to a dying Black community, namely due to a failing leadership, and Black middle class is no joke.

The fact that the Black community is contributing to its' own extinction, should not be a laughing matter.


....and it is certain the outlook for the future posterity of the Black male and female is yet worse today!

Unlike the Hispanic gang members who have laundered their illicit earnings, and who have elected representatives who truly serve their community, untold numbers of young Black men and women facing this music, to which there are many, will further increase the high percentage of the Black population behind bars, be it an earned or unearned felony jacket augments the reality that the Black community faces extinction!

....The largest segment of the Black community resides in the inner-city. Lack of employment opportunity, lack of free enterprise, incompetent legal representation, inner-city blatantly substandard and failing public schools, a failing Black elected leadership, a failing Black middleclass, the Black community's over dependence on goverment subsistance for the Black community's survival, the misuse or stealing of church tidings given to preachers by the benevolence of Black people to uplift the Black community, and other serious issues, are contributing to the extinction of the Black community. The church is exempt from taxation because the church's primary function is to reach out to help the oppressed, the sickly, the elderly, the destitute, the needy, etc., and not.....

......... the sleazy or the greedy!

HR 1279, will be used to criminally indict, fine, jail, execute, and/or any combination thereof, a higher percentage of Black people, more so than any other ethnic group.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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The misuse, mis-appropriation or stealing of church tidings by numerous jack-leg Black preachers who should have used money given by the benevolence of Black people to uplift the Black community, is contributing to the demise of the Black community. The church is exempt from taxation because the church's primary function is to reach out to help the oppressed, the sickly, the elderly, the destitute, the needy, etc., and not.....

.......and not the sleazy or the greedy!


yeah Lofton....a crooked ass BLACK preacher steals money and buys a house or two and that is what is causing the woes of the black race....still what does that have to do with Dymally being an illegal immigrant or programs that aided blacks in getting food, medical care and education being worse than klan bred right wingers who work to take it all away...ya drifting again Lofton....try and try again to stay in line with the questions I am posing to you....based on YOUR statements....
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"Incidentally, the first spelling of the word "hyphenated" used in your statement is the correct one. Perhaps you should have made more use of AA in California when you had the chance." by CW

....I didn't need AA back in the day, AA benefits were extended to few people who look like me, and if it were offered to me today, I would refuse accepting any form of AA today.

Either way, I'm past 50 years. My life is well behind me, and it has already been a success. Considering the state of Black America, any Black male who reaches age 50, who is not in prison, a drug addict, in a mental institution, dead, contracted HIV/Aids, has not been branded for life as being a felon, not been treasonous to Black people to get ahead, and/or who has acquired substantial assets...the acquisition of assets being the icing on the cake,....your life as a black male has been a success story.

The future of Black people within the United States is heading on the path of extinction, namely because of a failing leadership, and/or the so-called Black middleclass who praise them.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


And can I ask you, in your opinion and ONLY in your opinion, why there is such a disproportionate number of Black men in prision? And when I say "disproportionate" I mean exactly this: disproportionate compared to population ratios, nothing more.

Why, only in your opinion, do Black men make-up 14% of the general population but something like 60% of the prison population? Thank you.

CW
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"Incidentally, the first spelling of the word "hyphenated" used in your statement is the correct one. Perhaps you should have made more use of AA in California when you had the chance." by CW

....I didn't need AA back in the day, AA benefits were extended to few people who look like me, and if it were offered to me today, I would refuse accepting any form of AA today.

Either way, I'm past 50 years. My life is well behind me, and it has already been a success. Considering the state of Black America, any Black male who reaches age 50, who is not in prison, a drug addict, in a mental institution, dead, contracted HIV/Aids, has not been branded for life as being a felon, not been treasonous to Black people to get ahead, and/or who has acquired substantial assets...the acquisition of assets being the icing on the cake,....your life as a black male has been a success story.

The future of Black people within the United States is heading on the path of extinction, namely because of a failing leadership, and/or the so-called Black middleclass who praise them.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton


And can I ask you, in your opinion and ONLY in your opinion, why there is such a disproportionate number of Black men in prision? And when I say "disproportionate" I mean exactly this: disproportionate compared to population ratios, nothing more.

Why, only in your opinion, do Black men make-up 14% of the general population but something like 60% of the prison population? Thank you.

CW


This is a rather complicated, and multi-variabled issue.

A. Lack of competent representation

B. Un-equal justice and protection under the law.

C. Blatantly unfair court decisions.

D. Lack of gainful employment opportunity, can many times drive the most resourceful, formerly law abiding, to the brink of committing a criminal act to provide the necessities of life.

E. Black men and women who put themselves in this position who choose not to obey the law.

F. Black men and women who choose not to educate themselves. Without a marketable skill, you can not make it. Prison or death will be in the mix, in the event you choose to violate the rights of others to make your ends.

G. The Black middleclass who have for years used penal incarceration, social welfare, the break-up of the Black family structure for profit, the misery of Black death to promote a mortuary business, etc., at the expense of the Black community.

H. Liberal Caucasians, and/or others, who have used our own ignorance against us, and/or who have used our own Black elected leadership, so-called religious Black preachers, and/or Black middleclass to keep this vicious destructive cycle to the future posterity of Blacks running like a fine tuned engine.

I. The weakness that exists with our own leadership, Black middleclass, so-called civil rights advocates and/or clergypersons who have allowed this nonsense to continue.

J. Anything other reason, anyone else chooses to add.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Thank you. And can I ask you why the issue of unethical Black preachers seems to be such a central theme in your posts? You appear to dislike them especially, almost personally. Did something bad happen to your family because of one?

And please, can we skip the "these are your words" routine. I know their my words... I'm typing them right now.

And just your feelings about them. I can find all the links about corrupt clergymen myself. If you don't want to answer, for whatever reason, just say so. No need to explain. Thank you.

CW
"Thank you. And can I ask you why the issue of unethical Black preachers seems to be such a central theme in your posts? You appear to dislike them especially, almost personally. Did something bad happen to your family because of one?" by Chilewillow

Since my thoughts have not made an impression, I had to interject the thoughts of others on the subject. Not only have I had personal experiences to prove that sleaze truly exists with our own clergyman, I've seen the same type of activity take place with regard to other individuals, individuals to whom I have no relationship with.

Other family members, other members of the audience, and I have witnessed the sleaze of Reverend Jesse Jackson, first hand, at Washington High School, here in Los Angeles.

Furthermore, many young people, do not respect the Black church, because they too have experienced this sleaze first hand, and many young, as well as there elders refuse to attend any church where the preachers are as un-Holy as a preacher can get.

No need to make things up, or base thoughts on feelings when the evidence to prove that many of our own clergymen are disgraceful, because it is plain and simple for anyone whose eyes are open, and ears listening to draw the same conclusion.

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Hello Chilewillow,

You miss the point. The point being, neither I, nor any one of my family members are criminal, felons, branded as being felons, etc., etc. It is a sad day indeed when a law abiding citizen petitions his or her elected representatives for redress when government violates the law, and his or her representative(s) play games, trash legitimate petitions for redress, etc.

Since I reside in the 2nd Los Angeles County Supervisoral District, 2nd District Los Angeles County Supervisor Yvonne B. Burke is the most direct elected representative for this jurisdiction.

Since I reside in the 10th Los Angeles City District, former Los Angeles City Councilman Nate Holden, and former 10th District Los Angeles City Councilman Martin Ludlow were the most direct elected representatives contacted for this jurisdiction. At the present time, the 10th District is without a city councilperson.

When the lawful rights of the law abiding are disregarded by the representatives for the jurisdiction specified, it is a very sad day. Elected officials are sworn in under oath, and bound by law to protect the rights of law abiding citizens, whenever government violates the rights a law abiding U.S. citizen.

In addition, other family members, and/or I have already attempted to petition other elected officials outside of the jurisdiction, and the typical response is, "Your claim is valid, but unfortunately, this office does not cover your area. It is suggested that you contact 2nd Los Angeles Supervisor Yvonne B. Burke, the elected representative for the 10th Los Angeles City Council District, 33th Congressional District Congresswoman Diane Watson, California State Senator Kevin Murray, etc., etc."

Heck, I ought to know, because I work for the City of Los Angeles. Furthermore, if I had any kind of criminal background I would not be employed by the City of Los Angeles, as a Senior Electrical Mechanic. Should private property be damaged by a representative of the City of Los Angeles, or any other government jurisdiction, a city, county, state, or federal jurisdictional elected representative makes it is point to exert their influence to take action to replace what is damaged, etc., or else the jurisdiction in question will face being sued for any losses incurred to the law abiding citizen. In the final analysis, the elected representative contacted to resolve the claim, dispute, etc., is the most direct representative where the damage took place.

If the incident took place under County jurisdiction, the County elected representative for the jurisdiction takes on the responsibility. If the incident took place under City authority, the most direct elected representative is a City councilperson. If the issue involves a state jurisdiction or authority the most direct state elected representative is mandated by law, and bound to take answer the petition for redress. If the issue is of federal nature, the U.S. Congressperson and/or U.S. Senator of the jurisdiction where the violation of law, or serious violation of U.S. citizenship rights took place is contacted. If the issue crosses boundaries, an authority of city, county, state, and federal jurisdiction, then the most direct elected representative of each jurisdiction is petitioned to resolve the grievance.


Although, the example that you have given, pertaining to the environment of San Quentin Penitentiary is valid, your example is not applicable here.

The material that I have presented is on behalf of law abiding U.S. citizens of Black American heritage, and not individuals who have either given up their rights by committing a serious criminal act, etc., etc.

....To which again, I only give credit where it is due, meaning none of the individuals who are the most direct representatives of the communities, or jurisdiction where this activity, and other illegal activity took place deserve praise or respect!

...and after years of being a registered loyal Democratic, the Democratic Party has yet to deliver what it promises, with respect to serving the truly oppressed. This reality has prompted me to switch from being a long time loyal Democrat to a loyal Republican!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Lofton,

If you work for the City of Los Angeles, you have benefitted from Affirmative Action. In my research while getting both my masters and doctorate, I worked with people in the City, including the Personnel Department. There is documented proof of black people being part of a "protected class" that was necessary to FORCE the City to hire blacks, even in custodial positions. So hold onto your hat, there are plenty of whites that they would have loved to hire over your black azz, whether you were qualified or not....read your history and realize how disrepectful you are to the very people who helped to create your secure career.....there are many people who sacrificed and died on your behalf...and if blacks like Condi and others, including myself had AA offer us the chance to prove what we could do....what really makes YOU think YOU did it all on YOUR own?
"If you work for the City of Los Angeles, you have benefitted from Affirmative Action. In my research while getting both my masters and doctorate, I worked with people in the City, including the Personnel Department. There is documented proof of black people being part of a "protected class" that was necessary to FORCE the City to hire blacks, even in custodial positions. So hold onto your hat, there are plenty of whites that they would have loved to hire over your black azz, whether you were qualified or not....read your history and realize how disrepectful you are to the very people who helped to create your secure career.....there are many people who sacrificed and died on your behalf...and if blacks like Condi and others, including myself had AA offer us the chance to prove what we could do....what really makes YOU think YOU did it all on YOUR own?" by Kevin41

I must respect the law. Proposition 209 has ruled AA illegal in the State of California. Affirmative Action, again has done nothing for me.

Again, I only give credit where it is due, to which AA is not in the mix of ingredients to my success!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Lofton,

Don't try to be so damn proud...it makes you appear to be an OLD idiot. What I stated is not for your agreement it is a statement of the facts. So let me ask you the 1000th logical question that you will tuck your tail in your azz to run from: If Affirmative Action laws were implemented to FORCE the City of LA to hire qualified blacks by creating a protected class for black people to be hired from and you work for and was hired by that same city as a black person, how did you not benefit from those very AA laws?


Also, before you say some really stupid azz schit, those AA laws were provided for YOU before Prop 209 and the passing of Prop 209 did not reverse the laws passed in the City that helped you get the opportunity to work there as an Electrician. You probably were working for the city before Prop 209...which did not affect you.....because the City never stopped practicing AA. It is still in writing.....go check on Temple Street in Personnel for your damn self.


So Lofton,

Do you still think AA did not benefit you as a member of a protected class? Do you think laws had to be made to force hiring of blacks but they did not mean you were one of those blacks that was to be included under those AA protections? Even though you got hired under that same umbrella? Or do you think any proud azz fool could just be an electrician for the City because he felt like it, despite being black.....bro please....you were born before the Civil Rights movement even took place....you probably remember when blacks could not cross Main Street after dark or go in Culver City unless it was to go to work.....hell i'm not from here and know that much....but for you to be older than me and trying to pretend that laws were not needed to force equal hiring......you need to really examine yourself bro.....because you not even shitting yourself in to believing that one......give a damn what you tell me....you know what you have seen in your years here....and so do I......do you really think your parents could have just walked in and had good city jobs in their day pre-aa. Hell if it would have been that easy, there would be a whole lot less of us born into poverty.....i wasn't thank goodness but I sympathize with those who were...and I know it wasn't because of laziness or being corrupt and all that bullschit you claim that you and your family are NOT. To trivialize the horrid shit people went through for your bitch azz to sit on a good city job that never hired people like your black azz....and then disrespect their names and trivialize their accomplishments....make you one sorry azz motherf-ker Lofton. I do business with the City and I go everywhere from LAX to Piper Tech, from both professional and academic standpoints.....I hope our paths cross in my travels...I would really tell you to your face what I think of you for disrespecting the very things that got you your job....and i'll do it from a factual, non-rhetorical basis....so before you go into that i'm ghetto hood bullschit....quit believing the stereotypes white racists feed ya....you're not the first negro to do not do time and get a job......so while you're busy calling me pompous....quit thinking you are some vanguard thinker of the black race........because you really are full of schit....and have the f-king nerve to talk that schit from a City job...where it took unions and everything else to hire black people as custodians, let along skilled labor and especially management.....
I haven't been following this thread but from what I've read so far...boy oh boy.

Lofton, as an outsider looking in on this discussion, I must say, you portray yourself to be an uppity, African American hating fella. And not only that, but you seem to despise any person who has ever had any run-in with the law, and it seems you loathe those who live in the hell of poverty. As a matter of fact, I'm sure a psychiatrist friend of mine wouldn't hesitate to diagnose you with a mental disorder. Mild megalomania perhaps? It seems as though you look foward to the destruction of the Black race. You talk as though you are leading a massive conspiracy to wipe us all out. Are you too good to give any credit to the "typical Black community"? Are you too good to be Black?

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It's probably best that you do leave. However this is about the 10th time you said you would do so, and it remains to be seen. You must have some obsession with us, or find some truth in what we say to keep coming back so frequently. Perhaps a molestation of your mind is occurring here, similiar to the molestation of your body by a crooked preacher (why else would you be so hung up on it?). As far as I am concerned, the path I follow is the one Allah created for me (see left). He tolerates no ignorance, and neither do I. And truthfully sir, you are the only one exhibiting such a despicable degree of ignorance on this site. I thought I'd seen it all...now we have...Michael Lofton. nono
yep.....I knew his azz would weasel..he can talk all that degrading shit about black people...but he says he comes from a family that was broken up and he was homeless himself.....no one is holding that against him and it does not make him no less than anyone else....but to sit on his high azz and talk down about people in such a judgemental way does reek of some type of self-adequacy related psychological disorder.....From what he has stated, many could look down upon him but no one is......because of THAT anyway......



So Lofton...i made the link on how you benefitted from Affirmative Action after you declared that you did not hundreds of times....you had to face the truth as usual and tucked your tail in your azz and ran.....just like I said you would in my post. You have no credibility and the concept of forcing your disparaging hate-filled views down the throats of others as fact has run out on ya homie.....you got called out on the carpet after being so damn adamant about your point...and now all you can come up with is:

It is a waste of my valuable time exchanging words with either Kevin41, SistahSoulJah, etc., so this is where it ends,



Lesson learned: Shut the hell up when you do not know what you are talking about and you will not appear to be a damn fool.....you continue to make statements that you cannot prove......which is what you have now been relegated to.....a person who can only blurt out unproven lies.......you insist you did not benefit from AA...but you cannot state how you were exempt as a black male city employee that was designated as a member of a protected class......what does that tell you about yourself Lofton? You have been exposed for the inherent flaws in your dialogue....i have asked you hundreds of direct questions......intentionally because I knew the true answer would contradict the things you say.....which leaves you only two choices....say the truthful answer and contradict yourself....or be silent and duck and dodge the question because you cannot stick top your original lines of reasoning...once again Lofton................You have been exposed for the inherent flaws in your dialogue......which is why you lack credibility.....
Mr. Lofton,

You cannot generalize from the experiences of a single family; that is, you and your family experienced hardship and injustice because of the incompetence of some employees of the LA family support system. But it doesn't mean that the whole system is full of no-good, rotten, sleazy people. Even if you could cite one hundred cases of incompetence, there may be thousands of cases that had satisfactory results.

And because of your unfortunate experiences, you are disqualified from being an objective observer. You would naturally look for everything that is wrong and nothing that is right.

Also, claiming that AA is illegal in California is not the whole truth. It is only illegal where it is not superceded by Federal law. The sub-sections of Prop 209 and the subsequent amendment to the state constitution make this explicitly clear.

Any institution that does business with the federal government or receives funds from the federal government, must follow federal guidelines. Therefore, cities, colleges and universities, hospitals, defense contractors, state institutions - the list is endless - must follow federally mandated hiring practices or they will lose their funding.

So, on the books AA may be illegal in California but in practice it is not.

Finally, like it or not, we are all part of everything that has gone before us.

" If we stand tall it is because we stand on the backs of those who came before us."

... this is the truth.

"Each of us is all the sums he has not counted. Each moment is the fruit of forty-thousand years."

... this also is the truth.

If you take your list of names of people you say helped you, and put each name on a separate sheet of paper and then listed the names of people who helped them, and then put all of those names on separate sheets of paper and listed the names of people who helped them, you would just begin to know all of the people to whom you are indebted.

This includes many people you never knew... people who made sacrifices so that future generations could live a better, freer life. Does this make sense?

CW
Yep..Lofton is an Eletrician with the City of LA....whose affirmative action program opened the doors for blacks in custodial,skilled labor and management. He is 50 so I know he undeerstands what brought that into being as a necessity.

Funny how a negro (lofton,connerly, williams, sowell) can get on the "green" side of the fence and speak in disparaging terms of the mechanisms that aided their entry.....and the people behind him trying to use those same mechanisms as beggars...this from a negro who said he slept outside before himself.....well...the sensationalism has worn off of what you say.....you stir the pot with the self-hating and black-hating negro routine and then tactfully retreat, divert, deflect and avoid when it is time to substantiate your points. Man....that is some coward/pussy azzed schit...but so is benefitting from the struggles of others, criticizing them and their efforts to attain equality for the collective....I guess that is who you grew up to be......man if I were you it would be hard as hell to look at myself in the mirror while alone and think of myself as anything other than a low-azzed hateful human being. I do not worry about your type because I crush their azzes and roll over them every chance I get......just to show them that their uncle tommin and buck dancin....is not that profitable for them (they're not getting much out of life but a rub on the head like a small dog)nor is it effective in slowing the roll of blacks en masse like they would like to help massa achieve. I'm kool....but as long as I am able....I will be as brutal on self-hating negroes who are trying to stifle opportunities for others.....you motherf-kers know that taking back AA reduces jobs and educational opportunities for blacks (real numbers, not bullschit azz opinions and foolery)...yet you all aid the racist in their work for a token of gratification...and i do mean token......just so they can view you all like small house pets....but hey, that is the strange slave/master relationship you two keep going...in the meantime, I am going to fade you both, crush you when you get in my path to progress....and piss on you when I catch you lying down or slipping.....that is the least i can do on behalf of many honest, loving, hard-working, family-oriented black people....who have mother-kers like you all (house negroes) AND the racist trying to stifle their hopes, aspirations and opportunities.....all because that is the only way you sonfoabitches can satisfy your sense of self-adequacy as the miserable f-ks you all are...for whatever reason.......by making others more miserable or economically worse off than you are.....that is the only way you people can feel like shit about yourselves....is making someone else feel like schit about themselves....so you all can posture your warped ass minds....to feel like you are something "better" than they are. why didn't your sorry azzes be high acheivers......it builds great confidence and self-esteem....and the sweet part of it is.....you don't have to step on or hurt no one else's chances to get yours......and that will always be the difference in people.....give a damn if they have the same size check, house, car or bank account....that is why some people have all that schit and are still f-ked up.....they re f-ked up people...period....the material goods are just props...they still do not contribute to the value of who one is as a human being....and you house negroes with your tormented azzes knowing you are living just that...tormented....and your actions towards blacks are to try and relieve that hatred for self.....but it is not working...the more those negroes try to shake those demons....the more they have to try to.....and that is poetic justice in itself...........
"Yep..Lofton is an Electrician with the City of LA....whose affirmative action program opened the doors for blacks in custodial, skilled labor and management. He is 50 so I know he understands what brought that into being as a necessity.

Funny how a negro (lofton, connerly, williams, sowell) can get on the "green" side of the fence and speak in disparaging terms of the mechanisms that aided their entry.....and the people behind him trying to use those same mechanisms as beggars...this from a negro who said he slept outside before himself.....well...the sensationalism has worn off of what you say.....you stir the pot with the self-hating and black-hating negro routine and then tactfully retreat, divert, deflect and avoid when it is time to substantiate your points. Man....that is some coward/pussy azzed schit...but so is benefitting from the struggles of others, criticizing them and their efforts to attain equality for the collective....I guess that is who you grew up to be......man if I were you it would be hard as hell to look at myself in the mirror while alone and think of myself as anything other than a low-azzed hateful human being. I do not worry about your type because I crush their azzes and roll over them every chance I get......just to show them that their uncle tommin and buck dancin....is not that profitable for them (they're not getting much out of life but a rub on the head like a small dog)nor is it effective in slowing the roll of blacks en masse like they would like to help massa achieve. I'm kool....but as long as I am able....I will be as brutal on self-hating negroes who are trying to stifle opportunities for others.....you motherf-kers know that taking back AA reduces jobs and educational opportunities for blacks (real numbers, not bullschit azz opinions and foolery)...yet you all aid the racist in their work for a token of gratification...and i do mean token......just so they can view you all like small house pets....but hey, that is the strange slave/master relationship you two keep going...in the meantime, I am going to fade you both, crush you when you get in my path to progress....and piss on you when I catch you lying down or slipping.....that is the least i can do on behalf of many honest, loving, hard-working, family-oriented black people....who have mother-kers like you all (house negroes) AND the racist trying to stifle their hopes, aspirations and opportunities.....all because that is the only way you sonfoabitches can satisfy your sense of self-adequacy as the miserable f-ks you all are...for whatever reason.......by making others more miserable or economically worse off than you are.....that is the only way you people can feel like shit about yourselves....is making someone else feel like schit about themselves....so you all can posture your warped ass minds....to feel like you are something "better" than they are. why didn't your sorry azzes be high acheivers......it builds great confidence and self-esteem....and the sweet part of it is.....you don't have to step on or hurt no one else's chances to get yours......and that will always be the difference in people.....give a damn if they have the same size check, house, car or bank account....that is why some people have all that schit and are still f-ked up.....they re f-ked up people...period....the material goods are just props...they still do not contribute to the value of who one is as a human being....and you house negroes with your tormented azzes knowing you are living just that...tormented....and your actions towards blacks are to try and relieve that hatred for self.....but it is not working...the more those negroes try to shake those demons....the more they have to try to.....and that is poetic justice in itself..........." by Kevin41


I have yet to apply for, beg for, or ask for AA, AFDC, Welfare, etc. I kicked AA, AFDC, Social Welfare, etc., etc., to the curb, by remaining homeless rather than receive one dime, or less, in any one, and/or all of these destructive to my own self-preservation benefits.

Even if AA, AFDC, Social Welfare, was forced upon me, like the Black middleclass choose to do, I would trash every opportunity to receive such a worthless set of benefits. Begging has yet to deliver the bacon, so stop begging for AA benefits for me Kevin41!!!
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I kicked AA, AFDC, Social Welfare, etc., etc., to the curb, by remaining homeless rather than receiving on dime, or less in any one, and/or all of these destructive to my own self-preservation benefits.



**Back up what you say Lofton.....if I do the research (now I am really going to call your azz out) and get the personnel papers that show when AA was implemented for YOUR job classification relative to YOUR entry date and the race classification YOU chose on your City application....and show you formally how you benefitted from AA, would you quit your city job and go back to being homeless because you found out you were a direct beneficiary of AA? Would you? Maybe you'll get lucky and they will get rid of AA and take Civil Service Protection off of the jobs and make them fire-at will. They have already done this to some layers of management and will work their way down.....do you really think it is cheaper for the city to pay your azz benefits and vacation and medical and retirement rather than contract out and see an electrician SOB only when they need him/her? Hell Bush did it to 800,000 FEDERAL jobs and they carry way more weight than any municipal job. So be careful that you do not get what you asked for...to be out there in a non-AA azz world permitting whites to be exclusionary(even to the ass kissers)in a lean economy where white unemployment is high and jobs are being outsourced....they will give your neighborhood, your job and everything else away if they had the chance.......why do you think shacks in the hood cost 400k? Getting ready to make it exclusive.....and if the salary does not keep up with inflation, out you come....I know lots of college-educated professionals, black and white that faced this music....so don't get cocky...nothing is guaranteed....take it from an ex-electrcial engineer in the defense and aerospace industries....the world was ours...until it dried up......I just went to plan B.......


(Now I know what kind of answer from these questions to expect from a guy who labels congressmen as illegals and runs from questions....so even if you told me you would quit if you found out you benefitted from AA......go f-k yourself with that bullschit with your lying fabricating azz....f-king with you Lofton is a true exercise in communication, but nothing I cannot handle..but my previous post really outlines the category of person you are.....you know it....I know it...and it is evident in here.....if you are happy with it, i'm turning cartwheels on your behalf....you and every brother like ya......may you continue to stew in your own warped azz juices.....

And as so far as begging for you....How do you keep coming up with the extraordinarily stupid schit you say on a consistent basis? Logically explain to ME why I would beg for something for YOU........please, you lost me on that one.........
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** I never knew that there were black people older than me who were so out of the loop. This brother experienced racism firsthand based on his age alone....


Lofton.....please logically explain to me how blacks fighting for something that offsets racism and discrimination is begging? Please explain to me how you working for the City is also begging....based on the fact that Affirmative Action programs were implemented to give you a chance as a black male....which you jumped at.........
**From the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education

HOW THE RESIGNATION OF SANDRA DAY O'CONNOR WILL AFFECT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IN HIGHER EDUCATION

This past Friday Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor announced that she would resign when a successor is confirmed. O'Connor, who was appointed by President Reagan as the first woman on the Supreme Court, provided the swing vote that saved the constitutionality of affirmative action in higher education in the 2003 Grutter case.

Almost certainly she will be replaced by a conservative justice who will be opposed to almost all forms of racial preferences. Supporters of racial preferences may take comfort in the fact that Grutter is now law. It would take many years for a new challenge to reach the Supreme Court. Thus, JBHE believes affirmative action in college and university admissions should be safe for at least four years no matter who is appointed to the Supreme Court.

The main candidates for the next appointment are known to be strong opponents of preferences. They include former solicitor general Theodore Olson and appeals court judges J. Michael Luttig, Michael McConnell, Janice Rogers Brown, Emilio Garza, and James Harvie Wilkinson III. Ted Olson and Harvie Wilkinson III, in particular, would definitely welcome, if not lobby for, banishing any form of legal breaks that would improve the life chances of black people. Olson, the reader will recall, argued against racial preferences in the Grutter case before the Supreme Court. The main thesis of Wilkinson's book One Nation, Indivisible is the importance of ending all forms of affirmative action.

The only candidate for the Court who is likely to sustain preferences is the new attorney general, Alberto Gonzales. It will be recalled that he was opposed to President Bush's filing a brief in support of litigants fighting racial preferences in the Grutter case. Former deputy attorney general Larry Thompson, a black man, is also mentioned as a possible appointee. He might support preferences but his appointment to the Court is a long shot.
"I was right...you decided to return and showcase your stupidity once again. Kevin is right, Lofton. Give it up man, it only gets worse and you only get more ignorant from here."

....unlikely, more likely though these individuals days are numbered, numbered because they are truly incompetent, treasonous, deceitful beyond belief, and/or un-American.

Either way demographic changes, and redistricting will remove this trash from elected office!


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Searching for Lessons in Jefferson High Melee
Race was one factor, but roots of the tension run deeper than skin and wider than one school.
By Sandy Banks and Nicholas Shields
Times Staff Writers

July 6, 2005

They had been milling around for an hour in the sun, 2,000 restless, agitated teens packed onto Jefferson High's football field, waiting for the earthquake drill to end and lunch to begin. When the bell rang they rushed the gates, shoving, elbowing, knocking classmates aside.

In the crush, two black girls began tussling over a cellphone or a boy, or maybe a boy's cellphone.

As school police officers dug them out of the center of a heckling crowd, a Latino boy launched a milk carton across the quad. It landed in a group of black football players.

"Who threw the milk carton?" one demanded, confronting the Latino boys.

"Go back to Africa!" was one shouted response.

The entire quad erupted in fights.

In that brief moment, a food fight became a race riot. And in the days and weeks that followed, racial skirmishes on this and other Southern California campuses unmasked a current of racial tension that has alarmed law enforcement and school officials.

The Jefferson fight was over in less than 20 minutes. But for two months after that April 14 battle, Jefferson's black and Latino students faced off in spontaneous skirmishes, orchestrated beatings and at least two more large-scale melees. Twenty-five students were arrested, three hospitalized and dozens suspended or transferred. Hundreds more stayed away from classes, and those who showed up did so with fear.

"I'm scared even to go to class," said 16-year-old Keiana Scott, as she stood on the lawn outside school a few days after the second lunchtime brawl. One of only about 300 blacks among the school's more than 3,800 students, Keiana warily eyed a passing group of Latino schoolmates. "I've got to look over my shoulder every five minutes to see if somebody's about to whup me," she said.

No Single Cause

The unrest comes at a time when Los Angeles has emerged as a national symbol of racial cooperation. A coalition of black, Latino and white voters in May elected Antonio Villaraigosa, Los Angeles's first Latino mayor since the city's pioneer days.

But the confrontations between blacks and Latinos, which have struck campuses from the South Bay to the Inland Empire and Antelope Valley, suggest that stubborn cultural differences, racially charged gang feuds and social and economic competition can combine to cleave Southern Californians along unexpected racial lines.

"This is not just at one school, and it's not just kid stuff," said Khalid Shah, whose Stop the Violence Increase the Peace foundation has been working for years to broker truces between warring black and Latino gangs in the Inglewood area.

"There's a rise in community violence as it relates to blacks and Latinos, and that is seeping into our schools. When you start seeing large groups of one race fighting against a group of the other race, we can't, as a city, afford to ignore it."

"You can't blame [the fights] on any one thing," said Ron Rubine, a counselor at Carver Middle School in South Los Angeles, which has had its share of black-Latino conflict. "For some kids, it's a race thing, for some it's a gang thing, for some it's a boredom thing, for some it's just loyalty to friends.

"Is it really that different with adults? If there was a fight among the staff, we'd align ourselves with the people we hang around with.... We have our public face, but look at what we do in private "” the way we gossip, the things we say about other people, other groups. We look at these kids and say, 'What savages!' but we all have onus in this thing."

Rapid Escalation

A close look at the first Jefferson fight shows how racial tensions can quickly balkanize a campus "” even one where peacemakers outnumber troublemakers.

Steve Bachrach teaches in the school's Film and Theater Academy, a self-contained "small learning community" on campus. He was in his classroom with students when the quad fight began.

A student ran past the room yelling, "Food fight!" Bachrach shrugged it off. But a few minutes later another kid shouted, "Race riot "” brown on black!" and several of his students bolted. Outside, Bachrach saw half a dozen kids scaling the school's chain-link fence, desperately trying to escape from campus.

Bachrach headed for the quad to retrieve his students and found one, a black girl, in a standoff with three Latino boys. She had been beaten and was in obvious pain. He ushered her back to class, where a group of her Latina classmates, all juniors, gathered to console her and press for details. "I was jumped by a bunch of ... Mexicans," she said. The group, almost all of them Mexican immigrants, brushed the expletive off as anger speaking.

But across the room, a group of younger Latinas bristled. They strode over, and one angrily challenged the black girl: "Why are you disrespecting me?"

The older girls quickly intervened, ordering the others to back off. The younger girls retreated, but not before belittling their Latina classmates for having "no pride in your own people."

In the months since that first lunchtime fight, many others faced the same brutal choice: "race pride" came to trump friendships, common interests and personal history.

"Basically, I guess you can say that you had to pick sides. It was just a must," said Yessinia Rivas, 18, a senior who has since graduated.

Her worried parents gave her advice she didn't expect: For your own protection, they said, stay away from other people. Her Latino friends demanded she declare allegiance. "Either you were with them or against them," she said.

Pressure From Peers

In an essay for the independent teen publication "LA Youth," an anonymous Latino student described being drawn into the initial fight by friends' demands that he "stand up for my family, my Mexican ancestors, and the people who worked hard so I could be here "” my heritage that I'm really proud of."

"I felt good defending my race," he wrote. "I was hitting anybody I could get my hands on.... Many of my friends who knew I was involved in the fight asked me, 'Aren't you proud that our people are at war with the blacks?' ... Because of that fight, I lost many friends who are African American. The whole tension between Latinos and blacks is changing the way we all think about each other."

The lunchtime crowd at Jefferson, as at many high school campuses, typically divides by race. Latinos, who constitute nearly 92% of the student body, take the tables on the small, covered patio and gather in groups on the grass. Black students, about 8% of the student population, lounge along a low stone wall between the student store and the science building.

That kind of separation, long chronicled in post-segregation schools, doesn't necessarily signal trouble. For adolescents, membership in a "tribe" can provide a sense of belonging.

"It only becomes destructive when the groups are seen as rigid and self-enforcing," said Allan Kakassy, a teacher at Granada Hills Charter High School who has spent 37 years helping district officials develop tolerance programs.

Before the fights, "everybody was having a great time," said Eric Johnson, 17, president of Jefferson's Black Student Union. The school's student leadership group played music at lunch every Friday. "It was like our 20-minute party," Johnson said.

After the fights, students were so wary that some blacks were afraid to turn their backs on Latinos, and some Latinos avoided the student store, because getting there meant walking past blacks.

"Everything that has been said about the school is not the way it seems," said Cindy Jaramillo, a 17-year-old senior bound for UC Berkeley. She was on a visit to the college when she saw news of the disturbances on a dorm television. She had never thought of her campus as racially divided. "There was no problem," she said. "There was fighting and everything, but I think that happens at every single school. The riots turned things the other way."

Gangs Sow Fear

Race became a factor in even the simplest endeavors. When school administrators banned white T-shirts because of the style's popularity with gangs, scores of Latino students showed up wearing brown T-shirts instead. "It was saying that we're here and that we have pride in each other and we're not going to let nobody talk stuff about us," said Daniel Rios, 14, wearing a brown T-shirt that hung to his knees. Black students struck back by wearing black.

Bachrach considered the "brown pride" display an act of intimidation, whether deliberate or not. "It was a direct threat to another population on campus. And that's not tolerable," he told his students. He followed up with a letter to their parents, explaining the racial dynamics of clothing selection.

At Jefferson "” a chronically overcrowded and underachieving campus, set in a poor, often violent neighborhood "” outside forces exert their own pressures. Some link the school's racial problems directly to an ongoing war between Latino and black street and prison gangs.

One of the area's largest gangs, 38th Street, is affiliated with the powerful Mexican Mafia prison gang, say Los Angeles Police Department Newton Division officers. The Mexican Mafia has spent more than a decade trying to control the drug trade from behind bars, in part by directing Latino gang members to target blacks with shootings, beatings and harassment, according to law enforcement sources and imprisoned gang members who spoke with The Times.

Police have not tied the gang directly to the campus unrest, but fear of gang retaliation is so strong among students and parents that most interviewed by reporters refused to let their names be used.

Two years ago, according to parents and an injunction by the Los Angeles city attorney, the 38th Street gang so dominated Ross Snyder Park, a few blocks from Jefferson, that a Pop Warner football league run by black parents moved its practices to the high school's football field.

Racial tension heightened noticeably this spring, when word spread across the city that Latino gang members were plotting a Cinco de Mayo massacre of blacks in retaliation for a drug rip-off by a local black gang. According to the rumor, a Crips gang had stolen a huge cache of cocaine from Florencia 13, a large Latino street gang active in the Jefferson area. Versions spread through the Internet, sparking such citywide fear that more than 51,000 children stayed away from Los Angeles Unified schools that day.

Parents Can Have Effect

The rumor contained a grain of truth. Los Angeles County sheriff's investigators believe that in the summer of 2001, the East Coast Crips stole a truckload of cocaine, estimated at 300 kilos, belonging to Florencia. The theft ignited a gang war that still rages, said Sheriff's Sgt. Morrie Zager, who heads the department's gang unit in the Century Division.

But Zager said investigators found the Cinco de Mayo threat baseless.

"We're in the Internet age, where every teenager is online, even the thug teenagers," he said. "We didn't find anything credible to any of that stuff "” and believe me, we tried to substantiate anything we could."

Still, students and parents from Long Beach to Palmdale to Moreno Valley continue to cite the drug-theft rumor to explain campus racial tension.

"I feel like my son has a target on his back," said the mother of a black Jefferson student who was suspended for fighting with a group of Latinos he said jumped him as he left class.

"I told my son, don't start nothing, but if they pick with you, don't back down. It sounds simple to walk away, but it's not that simple. If you do, you will continue to [have to] run. So you have to fight." She shrugged. "It sounds terrible, but that's the way society is."

Many teachers and school officials say parental attitudes often prime students for friction. Tensions are particularly high between blacks and newly arrived immigrants in the neighborhoods surrounding Jefferson, once a center of black culture and pride.

The school reflects the changing demographics of inner-city Los Angeles. In 25 years, the student body has gone from 31% Latino to 92% Latino. More than half of Jefferson's Latino students are immigrants, most of them from Mexico, where only 1% of the population is black. During the 1990s, the black population of Jefferson's attendance area declined from about 34,000 to less than 22,000 while the Latino population, mostly recently arrived Mexicans, grew from 105,000 to 121,000, according to the U.S. Census.

Cultural Differences

In the United States, rural Mexican immigrants often come face-to-face with black people for the first time.

In their home country, racial stereotyping is more open and less challenged. Mexican President Vicente Fox ignited a furor here in May with a comment that Mexicans who emigrate to America do work that "not even blacks want to do." And last week national black leaders and the Bush administration condemned a series of postage stamps released by the Mexican government featuring a thick-lipped black comic book character reminiscent of Amos and Andy.

In the neighborhoods around Jefferson High School, blacks and Mexicans live next door to each other, but "” separated by language, culture and history "” they rarely interact. Immigrant children navigate a confusing cultural milieu, where black youths can throw the N-word around, but their Mexican friends aren't allowed to use it, and popular brands of hip-hop clothing are considered off-limits to all but blacks.

Mexicans living in largely black areas tell of being robbed, beaten and intimidated by blacks. Their black neighbors complain about chickens in the yard, old cars on blocks and harassment by belligerent street toughs allied with Latino gangs.

Among parents "” often exhausted and embittered by economic stress "” race has become the prism through which every gesture is viewed.

A Latino mother says it doesn't matter that blacks on the campus are vastly outnumbered: "They're bigger, stronger ... they're hurting our boys."

A black mother complains that after one fight, when the combatants sweltered in a hot room waiting for police, "a teacher came in and gave the Latino kids water, wiping their faces with towels. Not one time did she reach over and give any of the African American kids anything."

Listening to their stories, "it's hard to tell who is the prey and who is the predator," said Phil Saldivar, the district administrator investigating the fights, who was sent to Jefferson to help restore order. "The blame depends on who you speak with and what perspective they're bringing."

Those perceptions give race counselors plenty to combat.

A Latino girl staying after school for a human relations meeting complained to a black mediator that "the blacks are always whining about slavery. They don't want to do nothing to better themselves." Her friends murmured their assent.

A few days later, a black girl waiting for a ride home from school with her mother blamed the racial problems on "too many Mexicans who can't even speak English." They gossip in Spanish and poke fun at blacks, she said.

Jefferson's students come from neighborhoods with some of the city's highest rates of crime, homelessness and teenage pregnancy. There are few jobs and even fewer recreation outlets.

Among Los Angeles Unified's 49 high schools, Jefferson had the second highest number of major crimes in its attendance area "” 94 homicides, more than 2,700 robberies, and about the same number of aggravated assaults from 2002 through mid-2004, according to a Times analysis of LAPD data for that period.

Education Suffers

Accustomed to apathy among students, teachers say they have been shocked by the physical and emotional ferocity of this spring's fights. One recounted seeing a Latino boy dragged from his car by blacks and beaten in front of his mother. Another told of a black special education student chased from his classroom by a group of Latinos, who pummeled and kicked him when he fell.

One teacher stepped in to help a boy beaten unconscious in a fight on a sidewalk near campus. Students watching the beating seemed unmoved, she said. "It changed me. For days after that, I had to duck into the bathroom or a classroom to cry. I realized some of our kids see things like this on a regular basis. No wonder our test scores are in the toilet."

Jefferson Principal Norm Morrow "” who was reassigned as the fights raged on "” said he had no idea emotions on campus were so volatile. "This thing happened so quickly, it caught us off guard," he said. "Had we seen signs of intolerance ... damn right I would have done some things differently."

Morrow wanted to shut down the school after the first brawl, "just for a brief period of time ... to settle things down," he said. But Supt. Roy Romer refused, concerned that canceling classes would set a terrible precedent and amount to a public admission that school officials had lost control.

Changes Underway

The school has tried to stop the cycle of fights with a flurry of community meetings, increased police presence and student dialogue. The lunch hour is now divided so only 1,000 kids are on the quad at a time. New security cameras will be installed and students will be required to wear uniforms. A new principal was brought in from East Los Angeles. Human relations experts, including ex-convicts, former gang members and representatives of the U.S. Justice Department, frequently visit campus.

The Los Angeles School Board is considering restoring its office of intergroup relations, which provided guidance to schools struggling with racial issues. It was eliminated five years ago in a round of budget cutting.

For now, Jefferson officials say calm has returned to campus.

Many of those arrested or disciplined for fighting have been transferred. Others were pulled out by parents or simply disappeared.

"It's a handful of knuckleheads causing the problem," one school police officer said. "Most of these kids don't hate each other. It's just, 'You jump off; I'll jump off.' We're getting rid of the hotheads."

But some say school officials are simply shifting the problems.

"So they're not going to be killing each other at school, just on the streets," said Chico Brown, an ex-gang member who helps run A Place Called Home, a community center a few blocks from Jefferson.

"They need to be taught to value each other," he said. "They have to live together."

School in transition

Jefferson High School, south of downtown Los Angeles, draws its enrollment from a community that has dramatically shifted over the past three decades from black to Latino. Latin American immigrants, mostly from Mexico, have been coming in growing numbers and now make up about half the population.

Population figures for 2003-04

Jefferson High School

Latino: 3,547

African-American: 305

Other*: 17

LAUSD

Latino: 541,514

African-American: 88,271

Other*: 117,224

* Other includes white, Asian, Filipino, Pacific Islander, American Indian and multiple or no response.

Sources: California Department of Education, Los Angeles Unified School District, U.S. Census Bureau, ESRI, TeleAtlas. Data analysis by Doug Smith

Times staff writers Joel Rubin, Sam Quiñones and Doug Smith contributed to this report.

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Builders Driving a Boom in South L.A.
With a spate of new projects, for-profit housing developers show a fresh interest in the once-neglected area. But challenges remain.

By Jill Leovy, Times Staff Writer

June 13, 2005

Housing Boom
(Christine Cotter / LAT)
June 13, 2005

Aided by federal tax credits and booming demand in the region's heated real estate market, housing developers have been buying South Los Angeles properties and razing old factories to make way for apartments, condos and even single-family homes in neighborhoods where some lots have stood vacant since the 1992 riots.

The amount of redevelopment south of the Santa Monica Freeway remains fairly small compared with the quantity of new housing projects in terrain more familiar to home builders in the San Fernando Valley and on the Westside. And the vast majority of new projects are affordable housing that is publicly subsidized through tax credits.

But the quickening pace of construction and the new interest in South L.A. among conventional developers may signal a turn for the area.

Businessman Alan Stahl, director of acquisitions for Agoura Hills-based Amcal Multi-Housing Inc., is typical of the small but growing number of for-profit developers driving the uptick in construction. He is upbeat about South-Central Los Angeles real estate but still removes his gold cuff links before visiting his company's newest acquisitions.

"It used to be that other developers would say to me, 'What are you doing down there?' " Stahl said. "But that's passing."

Developers like him are driving up property values, negotiating mini-truces with local gangs and erecting a new crop of large, ornate, brightly painted apartment complexes on major boulevards from Watts to Jefferson Park.

A sign on one of Amcal's recently acquired properties south of Florence Avenue says it all. "Land wanted," it proclaims, and gives Stahl's number.

When property becomes available in South-Central L.A., he said, "you buy, and you buy as much as you can."

Median home prices in eight South L.A. ZIP Codes grew 44% in 2004. That's double the rate for Southern California as a whole during the same period, according to John Karevoll, chief analyst for real estate tracker DataQuick Information Systems.

Some of the new three-bedroom single-family homes that have been built in South Los Angeles near Western and Slauson avenues have sold for about $300,000, according to Sanders Ishishaka of the city Community Redevelopment Agency.

And the sheer volume of new construction visible on many of South L.A.'s major boulevards today is noteworthy, especially when contrasted with the construction doldrums that followed the riots.

Although the pace of new apartment permits in South L.A. appears to have tapered off in the last year, the Los Angeles Planning Department says there were three times more permits for new multi-family housing projects in South Los Angeles in 2003 and 2004 as in the previous two years. Citywide, the number of permits for multi-family housing projects increased too, but not as quickly.

Officials at the redevelopment agency confirm that construction is on the rise in South L.A., citing new duplexes, single-family homes and mixed-use apartment complexes.

Nearby, a large new development planned in Inglewood may eventually include about 375 homes. Several developers are involved, city officials said.

Nonetheless, the area remains a challenging market.

Developments financed by tax credits, still the norm, are subject to rigorous restrictions, require enormous amounts of paperwork and are limited by the supply of credits. Caps on rents in subsidized projects can remain in place as long as 55 years.

Neighborhood groups sometimes object to projects or challenge hiring practices.

The Los Angeles Police Department's Southeast and 77th Street divisions, which cover Watts and much of South-Central, traditionally lead the city in violent crime. High crime rates require 24-hour security on construction sites, Stahl said.

Local gangs have reportedly threatened construction workers and demanded jobs from project foremen, who feel compelled to negotiate with them. A supervisor on a project at 52nd Street and Broadway being built by Fassberg Construction Co. was recently mugged.

"Some companies never work down there," said Larry Hoffman of Fassberg, a for-profit company. "If the neighborhood is strong enough, they can shut your job down and make your guys afraid to go to work."

But Jeff Lee, a Marina del Rey developer who has built market-rate housing in L.A.'s urban core for two decades, counters that "there are risks in any market, just different kinds of risk."

Lee said he would break ground in the next six months on 150 single-family homes and 140 condos at Marlton Square on Martin Luther King Boulevard in Southwest Los Angeles. He has also built gated communities of market-rate, single-family houses in Willowbrook, an unincorporated neighborhood south of Watts.

Such developers who get through the barriers are rewarded by crushing demand.

"There are hundreds waiting. You can't imagine," Hoffman said. His company is constructing a 50-unit apartment building complete with day-care center.

High demand doesn't guarantee developers the tenants they want. For-profit companies, especially, tend to be selective.

When Stahl's firm opened 49 units in a new complex at 78th and Figueroa streets, for example, applications poured in by the hundreds for units that rented for $667 to $826 a month. But about six out of seven applicants were screened out by the company's credit and criminal checks, according to the property manager.

Whether the building trend continues, and whether more market-rate projects enter the pipeline, depends on many factors, Stahl said.

Financially, even projects financed with tax credits strike a precarious balance: Land costs are rising, but demand in South L.A. remains concentrated among low-income groups.

If land and construction costs continue to climb, it may soon become difficult for investors to provide housing at rates that the market will bear, Stahl said.

But he is optimistic about long-term trends. Already, he said, values of nearby land tend to soar wherever new housing complexes rise in South L.A.

Bob Dunn, an agent at Cavanaugh Realtors, agreed. He is trying to sell a vacant lot a block from Fassberg's construction site on Broadway. The lot had lain empty since the riots but now seems likely to sell, Dunn said, adding: "This area is under development. Things are happening."

Most of the new construction projects are financed through state and federal tax credits or other local, state or federal programs aimed at easing the housing shortage for the working poor.

City and state officials in recent years have sought to encourage construction of this type. Tax credits have financed about 5,600 new units in Los Angeles in the last two years, said a spokesman for state Treasurer Phil Angelides.

But although the construction boom in South L.A. is still largely a creation of government rather than market forces, profit motives increasingly play a role.

Tax credits, for example, have grown more lucrative as corporations have come to recognize their value and become willing to pay more to buy them from developers. That, in turn, has boosted the appeal of the financing method to developers, who use the credits to raise cash and offset soaring construction costs.

"It's definitely become more competitive," said Dora Gallo, chief executive of A Community of Friends, a nonprofit company, referring to the state competitions for awarding tax credits to developers of affordable housing.

Nonprofit housing companies once dominated this arena, but no longer, she said.

What's more, not all the new construction in South L.A. relies on government programs. As more for-profit developers enter the arena, a small amount of market-rate housing is emerging with them.

Stahl's company, for example, which has also built luxury homes in far-off suburbs, sometimes places market-rate condos next to its affordable units in the city.

The company, which just completed a large project of apartments and condos in Lincoln Heights, northeast of downtown, has also proposed a development of market-rate, for-sale single-family homes in South-Central, just south of its new property on Broadway near Century Boulevard.

For now, the presence of these new buildings is lending a colorful twist to a part of the city long stigmatized by a reputation for crime and poverty.

Owners of the new buildings have an interest in selecting law-abiding tenants to minimize management costs, Stahl said. And because attention to decor helps developers compete for federal tax credits, the complexes are often visually striking; some are designed by well-known architects.

Not long ago, the City Council declared as pejorative the very name "South-Central." But Stahl's use of it suggests that council members may have acted prematurely:

"More likely than not, South-Central will emerge as part of the downtown corridor," he said. "It will happen in five years, or 15 years, but it will happen. I say this as a businessman."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times|

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One of numerous examples of the sleaze, greed, treason, and/or incompetence of that so-called Black middleclass. Now speaking of showcasing stupidity I'm not facing this music. The criminal acts, sleaze, greed, deceit, and treason of these truly disgraceful individuals will result in the loss of a license to practice medicine, be a registered nurse, be a licensed vocational nurse, be a hospital administrator, etc., etc. Their own, wrongful actions of "truly showcasing ignorance" may send them to prison, has resulted in all of them being fired, and/or fined for stealing, or whose blatant neglegence caused the wrongful death of many patients. Most of the patients being killed by the incompetence of Black doctors, nurses, and/or the blatant neglect of hospital administrators, by and large have been Black.

.....Which is good reason for me to distance myself from this treason, sleaze, greed, ignorance, incompetence, and/or truly un-American behavior, rather than face going down like the "Titanic". I'll use your vernacular, SistahSoulJa, ..... vernacular, as it pertains to truly "Showcasing Stupidity".

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......and as Hispanics gain their U.S. citizenship rights, slim chance that any of our Black elected leadership, and/or Black middleclass influence will remain in elected office, or any other position of influence in Southern California!

Heck, our own elected leadership, and/or Black middleclass have been too busy playing games, practicing nepotism, being sleazy, being selfish and/or incompetent, all at the expense of the Black community.

As the Black community falls, so will its leadership and/or the Black middleclass. Our own treasonous Black elected leadership and/or the Black middleclass who praise them, have failed to competently serve South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., anyway, at any time, even when these areas were predominately Black.

Just for being sleazy, treasonous, and blatantly incompetent, these individuals who have helped to destroy the quality of life within the Black community, will now be facing unemployment, penal incarceration, hard times, etc.

The Hispanics and their leadership are buying property, investing, and pooling their resources to improve the quality of life in Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc., communities to which our own elected Black leadership and the so-called Black middleclass have abandoned. Hispanic investment has prompted Corporate America to invest in this formerly depressed area. Can't say Black people have not had a chance, because by and large, this area has been controlled by Black elected leaders, and/or the so-called Black middleclass since the 1960s. Our own no good treasonous Black elected leadership, and/or the Black middleclass who praise these misfits, have instead chosen to bleed the community of its' resources rather than invest in a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, or otherwise, a set of communities that have been deprived of business investment, even deprived by Black people in positions of influence since the end of the first Watts Riot of 1965.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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you insist you did not benefit from AA...but you cannot state how you were exempt as a black male city employee that was designated as a member of a protected class......
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....To say that the majority of Blacks have benefitted from AA, or even I have benefitted from Affirmative Action, is nothing but a huge mountain of malarkey, when placed in a reality check!

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....To say that the majority of Blacks have benefitted from AA, or even I have benefitted from Affirmative Action, is nothing but a huge mountain of malarkey, when placed in a reality check!



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VI. ECONOMIC EFFECTS OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ON TARGET GROUPS

It is also important to know whether affirmative action has improved the employment status of women and minorities. Research on the issue of target group attainment has revolved around three categories of outcomes: (a) employment rates, (b) income attainment, and (c) promotion rates and occupational attainment.

A. Employment of Women and Minorities in Organizations

Several studies have examined how employment has varied as a function of affirmative action policies. Leonard (1990), in a review of the economic literature, concluded that affirmative action increased the proportion of Black males in federal contractor firms in the early 1970s, although this was frequently limited to nonskilled occupations (e.g., Beller, 1978; Burstein, 1978; Goldstein & Smith, 1976; Heckman & Wolpin, 1976). Results for Black females and White females are less consistent in showing gains (e.g., Goldstein & Smith, 1976; Heckman & Wolpin, 1976). However, between 1974 and 1980, Black male and female employment increased significantly faster in organizations that were growing and in federal contractors than in other establishments (see further Leonard, 1984a, 1984b, 1984c).

In an analysis of EEO­1 compliance reports, Smith and Welch (1984) demonstrated a shift in Black employment from noncontractor to contractor firms during the years from 1966­1970. They also concluded that Black males were three times as likely to report they were managers or professionals in 1980 than in 1966; women and Black females were twice as likely to do so. Likewise, Osterman (1982) concluded that women employed in industries that received greater attention from the Office of Federal Contract Compliance and had higher rates of federal purchases had lower quit rates than women not employed in these industries. Warner and Steel (1989) reviewed data from over 280 municipal police departments and concluded that departments with a stronger commitment to hiring women had greater utilization rates of women in policing jobs, although this difference was sometimes dampened in times of budgetary stress.

More recently, Uri and Mixon (1991), in an analysis of male and female employment data from 1947 to 1988, demonstrated that women aged 20­54 had more stable employment from 1965­1980, although they lost some of these gains during 1981­1988. Men showed the opposite effect. Uri and Mixon also suggested that affirmative action programs increased women's share of projected employment while decreasing that of men. Other researchers suggest that the magnitude of these latter changes may be quite limited (for reviews see Clayton & Crosby, 1992; Johnson, 1990; and Leonard, 1989).

Research using more focused samples also suggests some effects of affirmative action policies on employment outcomes. Konrad and Linnehan (1995a), using a sample of 138 firms in a major metropolitan area, demonstrated that human resource management policies that took protected category status into account were positively associated with the percentage of people of color in the firm's management and the rank of the highest woman in the firm. However, these policies were not significantly associated with the percentage of women employed by the firm, the percentage of women in management, the percentage of people of color employed by the firm, or the rank of people of color. Konrad and Linnehan also found that human resource management policies that did not take protected category status into account were not associated with any of their measures. In contrast, government contractor status was positively associated with the percentage of women employed and the percentage of women in management. Further, firms which were subjected to compliance reviews had lower percentages of female employees and female managers than did firms which were not subjected to compliance reviews.

B. Income Attainment

Examinations of income attainment by women and minorities before and after the enactment of civil rights legislation has yielded somewhat inconsistent results. Burstein (1978) suggested that salaries of non-Whites were positively affected by affirmative action legislation. Smith and Welch (1984) reported substantial wage gains for Black men and women during 1967­1981 but suggested that most wages gains came prior to 1974. Son, Model, and Fisher (1989) found that the income gap between Blacks and Whites increased during the years between 1974 and 1981. This finding was moderated by educational attainment. Blacks with a high school education or less earned less than their White counterparts. However, young Black college graduates narrowed the income gap such that their income was quite similar to that of college educated Whites. In contrast, Crosby, Allen, and Opotow (1992) concluded that affirmative action legislation has not contributed to widening the income gap between middle and lower class Blacks. Leonard (1990) suggested that affirmative action increased the occupational attainment of non-White males and therefore has narrowed the wage gap between Whites and non-Whites.

C. Promotional and Occupational Status

Research has also examined rates of promotion and occupational status of women and minorities before and after the implementation of federally mandated equal employment opportunity programs begun in the early 1970's. This is relevant to the present review because the first principle of affirmative action is that the organization must abide by a policy of equal opportunity. EEO programs implemented in elementary and secondary public education systems of Oregon and New York reduced discriminatory hiring practices by about half (Eberts & Stone, 1985). DiPrete (1987) and DiPrete and Soule (1986) also found that EEO programs had positive effects on the promotion of non­White and female lower level employees to higher level positions in federal agencies. DiPrete and Soule point out that female and non­White lower­level employees did not have a greater probability for promotion than did male and White lower­level employees. Leonard (1990) reported that Black males increased their representation in skilled trades from 1974 to 1980 in federal contractor firms, although the employment rates of all Blacks did not increase over these years. Black females also increased employment share in all occupations except technical, craft, and white­collar trainee (see Leonard, 1989 for a review of the impact of affirmative action on women's employment). Son et al. (1989) found that Blacks' occupational status was moderated by level of education. College-educated Blacks fared as well or even better than their White counterparts; Blacks with high school education or less fared more poorly than their White counterparts.

D. Summary

Research on the impact of affirmative action on demographic group attainment indicates that, in general, gains have been made, although there is some evidence of losses for those with low educational levels. All three categories of group level outcomes (employment rates, income attainment, and promotion rates and occupational attainment) show some improvement over the time period in which affirmative action has been implemented.
"Several studies have examined how employment has varied as a function of affirmative action policies. Leonard (1990), in a review of the economic literature, concluded that affirmative action increased the proportion of Black males in federal contractor firms in the early 1970s, although this was frequently limited to nonskilled occupations (e.g., Beller, 1978; Burstein, 1978; Goldstein & Smith, 1976; Heckman & Wolpin, 1976). Results for Black females and White females are less consistent in showing gains (e.g., Goldstein & Smith, 1976; Heckman & Wolpin, 1976). However, between 1974 and 1980, Black male and female employment increased significantly faster in organizations that were growing and in federal contractors than in other establishments (see further Leonard, 1984a, 1984b, 1984c)."

.....All I have to do is discredit one paragraph of this no good diatribe, and it discredits the rest of it. Black contractors allowed themselves to be used by Caucasians. Larger Caucasian contractors would use Black businessmen as fronts to qualify for Megabucks in federal funding. Furthermore the employees hired by these Black contractors, fronting for Caucasians, were anything and everything else but Black people.

....so much for affirmative action benefits reaching the masses, because reality speaks differently, which again is reason enough to end AA! If all the above were true, as expressed by the referenced introduced by Kevin41, why is it that their are no major Black owned construction companies, whose predominate employees are Black men and women? This again disproves nonsense as expressed by Kevin41.
Lofton,

You have had the luxury of getting an education in public policy that you are trying to refute the validity of. Now vague azz rhetoric such as AA does not reach the masses does not offset the doubling of numbers in terms of black participation in skills and crafts, college admissions and professional sector inclusion. Did you notice in the studies how all the gains were significant in professional inclusion and wages? The one flaw they stated is that AA has a tendency not to reach to the uneducated.....and that is why the racist right fights for lower college admissions for blacks. If you can keep a person uneducated, then their opportunities are limited. That is why the right is against things like remedial college bridge courses that help to compensate for the schitty public schools black kids go to in inner cities. Also you never hear that racist right talk about how test scores and graduation rate gaps close between blacks and whites the higher you go in education.....when I was act the doctoral level....all of me and my homies and the sisters had 3.81 averages and higher....any silly azz notion of blacks being inferior intellectually is very humorous to me based on my academic experiences along....couple that with the experience at a premier black university in the sciences with black professors who travelled and teached all over the world......I as a young young man got a chance to see what black people and my damn self are truly capable of....the same with my professional travels as an engineer, professor, consultant and public administrator......sharp black people at every turn....so no matter what you or the racists think or say about black people....my life has been a reality that none of you can make false.......and that is why I laugh and shit on your dialogue......and that of the racists...

back to my point....wy do you think college admissions is attacked more than anything by the racists? because they know that is the true basis for black advancement in this country. Why do you think big corporations practice affirmative action? because it is in their bext interest to do so. they know they need qualified black talent and white talent too to be competitive, not because they love black people. If you look at the studies, it talks about the economic benefits of AA.


So Lofton, you say blacks allowed themselves to be used by whites. Use is a broad azz term.....I have let companies use my skills to get the experience and access to resources that aided my oputside educational and professional efforts. That is why when you work for a company you have a set of personal goals that will put you on a higher plane than their job offers. Once you have saturated the use of their resources you do not need them anymore either and can move on as part of what you considered as a trade as opposed to being used. Those brothers were not necessarily used as fronts. AA forces bigh businesses to use qualified minority/women/disabled businesses that would otherwise be left out based on history. In the City of Los Angeles, one has to make a good faith effort (with the aid of Purchasing) to break off parts of the contracts that could be handled by a MBE/WBE firm. many of these same firms have grown and become their independent prime contracting firms. That mandate by AA is what gave them entry into the professional sector that they would have otherwise never had....and on the flip side...people like condi, myself and many others would not have gotten the OPPORTUNITY to teach at these colleges that didn't even want blacks as STUDENTS. 26 and 33 year old black people teaching 50 &60 year-old whites (and blacks) at private anmd state universities is something my late father could not realize.....but people of his generation made it possible for me to do so....and it is my duty to prepare a kid to do the same at 18 or 20 if possible. That kind of acheivement transcends any type of negative stereotypes about black people there is....and when me and the other young to middle age black people give schit like presentations on bioterrorism at airports at lawrence livermore to a room full of ph.d's....it ain't no big deal.....because black people are as talented anywhere else as we are on the court....there are michael jordan's in the classroom, boardroom, operating room and any other f-king room you can think of. That is what I impose on black people, young and old.....that mindset about who we are...not some self-hating psychologically afflicted puzzy azzed coward bullschit.....


so no matter how you come at it Lofton....there are way more facts to the reality of things than there are opinions of people when it comes to establishing credibility. I post numbers and figures that relate to social outcomes....you post your opinion and state your disdain for black people generally as a core part of your dialogue...do you really think you are in the same league Lofton? Nope....neither are my or your white racist peers...if you ever notice, conservatives shy away from academia and like yourself, rhtetorically refer to them as bastions of liberalism that indoctrinateds their kids wrong. Now the reality of it is....acacdemia is based on factual research that establishes truth as the basis for taking a stance on a issue. this is called the research hypothesis....which your research proves or disproves....and you draw your conclusions from there...the key is to have accurate data that applies to the question you want answered and having realistic sample population. last you must account for all assumptions that could affect the study but are not included as a part of the study. Now with all the talent, time, resources and money that is poured into this social research, what makes you the ELECTRICIAN be a specialist and dismiss what highly educated people have been working at for 20 or more years, such as the brothers and sisters that write the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education.....I had one conservative black refer to it as partisan and liberal.......and I gave him a copy and told him to find some research outcomes based on partisan data....he could not.....and that is how it will always work....calling you an idiot does no good Lofton.....you are a case of ego run amuck.....but it has limits.....because it cannot dispel the facts associated with acacdemic research.....say some more stupid azz schit and you'll see what I mean..........
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....so much for affirmative action benefits reaching the masses, because reality speaks differently, which again is reason enough to end AA! If all the above were true, as expressed by the referenced introduced by Kevin41, why is it that their are no major Black owned construction companies, whose predominate employees are Black men and women? This again disproves nonsense as expressed by Kevin41.


** I do not know about that sector...but I can show you people who went to Howard and Prairie View that have dental and OBGYN clinics. The sisters went to Howard....the fellas went to PV then USC out here.....which some said was racist azz f-k but couldn't stop the show from happening......and i have about 30-50 pV types that are engineers and scientists at Johnson Space Center in Houston....who has a PV Alumni chapter of about 1200 graduates that work inthe space industry there at the space center and in houston overall.....who have formed engineering firms of their own....definite signs of black progress that is spread across people from middle class, upper class and poor backgrounds. As so far as the contractors I cannot speak from the authority about a sector I have no knowledge about. I have a MBE/WBE list of black contractors all over the LA area that was funneled into the City of LA's bidding process. If I find the list I'll learn how to link the document....i do not claim to have knowledge I really do not have....unlike yourself who tried to be an expert in things you do not know jack shit about....that is the virtue of higher education.....it shows you where your true limits are....which is humbling in itself....not pompous as you would like to elude....on the flip side....I do not let people talk to me like i'm a dumbazz just for the sake of civility....but with the cases of black success I have cited (which is small compared to the total)...what makes you think actually got the fight against AA going? the black middle class started being too large for racists whites. they did not like going to Rice university in Houston and UCLA, spending 100,000 for an education and move to the country club houses and see my homies as their next door neighbors BBQing with degrees from both black and their universities with salaries comparable to theirs.......it takes away that stupid azz warped vision of white supremacy and reeks of equality instead....which is a bad thing to them...and what you NegroCons do not seem to get into your heads....they DO NOT love black people or want black people to be equals...but I think ya'll really know that and just want to be uncle toms anyway.....the national fight against AA is bigger than your limited view of black success....there is much at stake, now and in the future...and as the demographics change, we will have to become more competitive........the way they are disenfranchising white people alone tells me that.....because what they do to whites, they try to do to blacks twice over.....the unemployment rate as a percentage is an example......ours always is higher....as a norm in this country......but they want me to be patriotic....yeah right......the only patriotism I possess is the pride I take in black acheivement and social progress.....which is at a crossroads that I believe will be handled effectively by us.....history is our side in that regard......we have travelled far but have far to go.......so you do your thing and i'll do mine and we'll see who comes out on top Lofton...my money is on me and the black progressive majority in this country......not fools, thugs and conservative black uncle toms....they are going to render THEMSELVES extinct, not the black race as a whole........watch and see........
And if you ever take a look at the great men who facilitated social and scientific changes in this country (Malcolm, MLK, Thurgood Marshall, Huey Newton, GW Carver, etc.) you will see that they were all educated black men with visions....this country does not want to take the chance of too many ore of them coming along.......
yeah...AA is a joke but it got your azz off of the street.....expanded the black middle class and allowed inclusion in professional sectors....anyone against this is basically glad their parents lived under jim crow......and it is not meant to help criminals such as yourself Lofton....you place blame on everyone for your shortcomings....but some of this had to be your doing.....no one is arrested, homeless and have their family split up all for nothing...something brought all of this attention to you and yours...but as usual you are full of lies....and as so far as you calling AA begging...that is your thing....you sorry negroes sit on your urban azzes and do not advance mentally over generations, yet fail to utilize AA resources (except you with your City job) and then bitch and moan.....I was telling a bunch your sorry azzed homies the sae thing.....how the CalStart fund had millions left over to send impoverished people to college....there is common knowledge about the program but to many of you want something without getting off your azz for it....just like you are waiting on Mexicans to run blacks out of your community....as if that will make it better for you.....i expect you to insult AA...that is all you can do with your limited knowledge base....is cover your ignorance with disdain.....

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