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Originally posted by Michael:
...in any other community but the Black community, disgraceful, incompetent, criminal, treasonous, un-American, etc., elected officials are recalled, impeached, criminally indicted, exposed, etc., etc. If left up to the Black community misfits are kept in office!

demographic changes will eventually take care of this problem.

....and all elected officials are not corrupt, sleazy, unethical, etc., etc.


Forget the media, what are the men and women in uniform saying?

...Thus far President George Bush is doing a very good job as president. He is not unethical, sleazy, criminal, unfit, etc., like many of our own elected officials. Evidently he has more sense than to attempt to use false pretenses to hold office, play games, commit criminal acts, betray the American people, etc., etc.

Mr. Lofton,

I've read this link before "http ://africanamerica.org/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/9131049962".
And this link, "http://turningtables.blogspot.com/" is hardly one you can use to justify any position. Do you have anything new to add?

Perhaps you missed what I said in my previous post. At present, we have two city councilmen, both white, who have been censured by the State Elections Committee for taking bribes in the form of illegal campaign contributions. Just censure, nothing more. Tomorrow they will take their seats in chambers just as they have done for the last four and one half years. I believe my community would qualify under what you term "any other community".

Again, you missed what I previously said. I believe I used the words "most" and "majority", not "all". "Most" and "majority", are words referencing 51%, by common understanding.

Wait! Diana Krall is singing "Why Should I Care". Give me a moment and I'll get back to this.

Beautiful!

It is impossible to "forget the media". It invades every space in which we live. Without it, I couldn't even read "what the men and women in uniform are saying".

Whether or not George Bush is doing a good job, is unethical, sleazy, criminal, unfit... is a matter of opinion. At present, confidence in his ability to lead is eroding quickly. Try going to pollingreport.com, a site dedicated to every "scientific" poll imaginable. Pick a poll, any poll; pick the poll you choose to believe (sorry, that sounds funny!). There's something there for everyone and a poll to validate most any argument.

I think this topic has about run out of gas. Have a good evening, Mr. Lofton.

Kind regards,
Chile Willow
"I think this topic has about run out of gas." by Chile Willow

....not likely. More likely, the Democratic Party has run out of gas, steam, supporters, believers, etc.

......and more likely the Democratic Party is running out of options to continue to fool or decieve the poverty stricken, and/or the oppressed.

Since the sixties the Democratic Party has been large and in charge within the inner-city, yet the inner-city continues to be the most poverty stricken, underserved and misrepresented, void of free enterprise community within the U.S.

Basically, the social economic system controlled by the Democratic Party, is designed to keep the poor in poverty. Democratic machine politics doomed for failure social welfare programs, using AFDC benefits to break up the traditional Black family for profit, the proliferation of drug treatment centers and mental health clinics, penal incarceration for profit, the misuse of religious doctrine for profit, etc., etc., killing any loyalty that the oppressed, and/or the indigent would have for the liberal Democrats. The programs controlled by the Democrats benefit administrators, outsiders, and not the indigent or the oppressed.

In contrast, in most all Republican jurisdictions, evidence of poverty is virtually non-existent. Free enterprise reduces the need for social welfare benefits, and virtually reduces the tendency for anyone to resort to the subculture for their existence. In a free enterprise system, any able bodied individual with the will to work can rise above poverty.

Based on performance and results, the Democratic Party can't hold a candle to the Republican Party!


The ideals of the Democratic Party have yet to bring wealth into the inner-city, and that is a fact.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to take on characteristics that generate income, as opposed to the "doomed for failure" environment as created by the Democratic Party, in a "Hell on Earth", which is used to keep the poor in misery so that the liberal community, the liberal Democrats, and self serving Black elected leaders, can generate huge profits at the expense of the underclass!!


In every jurisdiction but the Black community, the people rule in California...

....and this is what makes California a good state. Elected officials are being tried and convicted of felonies for accepting bribes. Should any judge be indicted for violating the law the "Commission of Judicial Performance" which is an arm of the people will have the judge removed from the "bench".

....in any responsible community, elected officials, lawyers, judges, police officers, and/or other government employees are held accountable!


.....again, more likely, the liberal community, the Democrats are running out of steam, gas, losing supporters, etc.

As the reality hits home with the oppressed and the many indigent, it won't be long before many individuals lose respect for the Democratic Party. Taking charge of their own destiny, as opposed to being used by the sleazy, the greedy, and/or many of these pseudo advocates of the oppressed, is causing many individuals to defect from the Democratic Party!

Have a good evening, Chile Willow
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By the Numbers (June 7)


52%
Disapprove of President Bush's performance

48%
Approve of President Bush's performance

41%
Approve of Iraq policy

58%
Disapprove of Iraq policy
Mr. Lofton,

The content of your last post is far too selective and reductive, and does not represent a balanced viewpoint. For this, I have no answer.

As Kevin41 has implied, statistically and factually the numbers just don't compute. Take care.

Kind regards,
Chile Willow
you never will have an answer chilewillow because you are not participating in a logical, objective discussion. It is just a matter of what one thinks is the truth being imposed on others. That is why I just chill on the talk and demonstrate why the statements are baseless with numbers and facts...and never even state my opinion....because even if true......it is a common tactic of those to use vague rhetoric to dismiss it without any proof of their own for their stance on the issue.....everyone knows that bush is a sorry azz president and that the country is in piss poor shape and the war in iraq was unnecessary and that bush leans with the right-wing to support anything adverse to blacks...as he did in the michigan AA case....any negro who still forges ahead like larry elder is just trying to show whites his "negroeness" as a way of feeling closer to racist whites and distant from blacks....i say let em all become right-wingers........as time goes and they no longer serve a purpose...they will all get the jc watts treatment.....or the treatment of alan keyes when there was no use for him in 2000....maybe they'll learn...and if they do not....they are getting what they deserve......
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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Latest Poll numbers......I wonder what his supporters are supporting.......

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-06-20-poll.htm

Whoops! I guess he needs to crank-up the terrorism scare again. Paranoia is declining and with it his ratings. I guess he's ridden that pony about as far as it will take him.


and the cold part about it is....it took these backwoods people this long to see he was a sham in favor of big businesses owned by white males in the energy and defense sectors? Once these people wake up and smell the coffee, they will see that all progress has been stripped away...but personally i believe w was elected because he gives whites a sense of nationalism...and it was too much for many of them to see blacks sharing prosperity in the nineties......so they were willing to cut of THEIR noses to spite MY face.....what a group of rocket scientists.......
"The content of your last post is far too selective and reductive, and does not represent a balanced viewpoint. For this, I have no answer.

As Kevin41 has implied, statistically and factually the numbers just don't compute. Take care." by Chilewillow

.....but the Democratic Party, through our own elected leadership has been large and in charge since the 60s, yet more Black men and women are in prison than ever, which is not the fault of the Bush Admininistration!

....and the statistics as referenced by Kevin41, are not in any regard responsible for this reality!


...so much for Kevin41 and his method of attempting to duck the major issue, which has nothing to due with any "President Bush Poll", be it pro or con!

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College to Lose Stamp of Approval
Compton campus is to be stripped of its accreditation over fiscal and administrative problems, threatening its ability to stay open.
By Peter Y. Hong and Rebecca Trounson
Times Staff Writers

June 21, 2005

The academic agency that evaluates the state's two-year colleges has decided to strip Compton Community College of its accreditation at summer's end because of financial and administrative problems, officials said Monday. The action threatens the 6,600-student school's ability to remain open.

State and college officials are scrambling to find ways to appeal the accreditation move and to keep the college operating "” perhaps by merging its governing district with another community college district. Without accreditation, the campus would be ineligible for the state funds that are its main source of revenue and its students could not receive federal financial aid.

Beset by financial mismanagement and allegations of corruption for several years, Compton is the first community college in California to be so threatened with the loss of accreditation, according to the California Community Colleges chancellor's office.

The state chancellor took over the troubled campus and put it under the control of a state-appointed trustee last year, turning its elected board into an advisory body.

The nongovernmental Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges announced Monday that it would terminate Compton Community College's accreditation, but not until Aug. 19 to allow students to complete summer classes.

Beyond its effect on funding, accreditation is seen as a stamp of approval of a school's quality and allows other campuses to accept its transfer credits.

If the accreditation is lost, "it basically makes the place unworkable," said California Community Colleges Chancellor Marshall "Mark" Drummond. But the chancellor said Monday that it is difficult to predict the odds of the college closing.

Drummond said Monday that he anticipated his system's board of governors and the college would take at least the first step toward an appeal by requesting that the commission review its decision.

He said one possibility would be for the accrediting agency to put the college back on the probationary status it has been on recently, allowing more time to address the problems.

If a request for review is rejected, the college could then ask for a formal appeal. During both a review and appeal process, the college would remain accredited.

Drummond also is exploring whether another college could be contracted to run Compton's scheduled courses or agree to merge with the troubled college.

The chancellor, who described himself as shocked by the commission's decision, said he had thought the campus was making reasonable progress toward resolving its problems.

"I would guess they lost patience," he said, referring to the accreditors. "Although my feeling since we got in there has been that it's probably a two- or three-year process to get the place completely up to snuff. Now, suddenly the rug is jerked out from under us."

In October, the chancellor released an audit identifying numerous problems at the college, including potentially illegal practices of steering contracts and jobs to relatives of officials and out-of-control spending in the past. It did not list names or say how widespread those practices might be.

The college has been under federal and local criminal investigations for possible corruption, but no one has been charged with any wrongdoing.

The state also called for a written code of ethics and for board members to undergo training to better understand budgets. It recommended that the college hire a permanent business officer and a new auditor, streamline its administration to give the president more power and improve ways to measure student achievement.

In April, the accreditation commission reviewed those problems identified in the state report and found that the college had made progress in straightening out its finances, but "there is still much to do to bring the college into compliance with accreditation standards."

The commission also found that the college failed to properly counsel students on transferring to four-year colleges and did not evaluate faculty adequately.

Barbara A. Beno, executive director of the community college accrediting commission, said Monday that Compton College was warned over several years about such issues as "very serious governance problems" caused by the actions of its elected board.

Drummond said turnover in management since the state takeover also may have figured in the accrediting decision.

In February, longtime college President Ulis C. Williams was put on administrative leave, which Williams said was forcing him to retire.

Compton's state special trustee, Arthur Q. Tyler, and its interim president, Rita Cepeda, are both leaving the district this summer to take jobs elsewhere.

"I think all that was probably looked at as just indicative of more chaos at Compton Community College," Drummond said.

Jamillah Moore, the state system's senior vice chancellor for governmental and external relations, had been tapped to arrive on campus in early July to ease the transition from Cepeda to another still-to-be-appointed interim campus leader. Instead, she flew in from Sacramento on Monday morning to help deal with the crisis.

"We're all in shock because we really felt we were making progress," Moore said. "I guess they felt we weren't making it fast enough.

Members of the Compton Community College District Board of Trustees said Monday that they were stunned by the loss of accreditation.

"I'm still in a daze," said board member Lorraine Cervantes, who ran for the board in 2003 on a reformist platform. "We've been working really hard trying to correct problems that have been here for years," she said.

Carl Robinson, a board member who has served off and on since 1980 and for whom the school's science building is named, blamed the state's takeover for the accreditation loss.

"The state has been there a year and a month and just really messed up the college," he said.

Robinson said the state's harsh pronouncements about the school's problems drew the accreditors' scrutiny.

News of the accreditation loss came on the first day of summer classes at the campus off Artesia Boulevard, where most students are African American and Latino.

Some faculty, staff and students gathered in the student lounge Monday morning to hear the news from Tyler and Cepeda.

District spokesman Stan Myles said they were told that the summer session would continue and that "they should not feel worried in any way."

Shalita Evans, 29, said her instructor in an ethnic studies class talked about the problems during Monday's class. Students are anxious about what they would do if the school closed and whether their credits would transfer.

"Everybody was so puzzled and stressed, we couldn't focus on class," said Evans, who graduated from Compton in 1999 and was back to take a class fulfilling a requirement for a bachelor's degree at Cal State Dominguez Hills. "Everybody was upset and disappointed, saying this was their only hope."

The college, she emphasized, "is a part of the community and it should stay open."

Willie Middlebrook, a full-time instructor in digital photography and computer graphics for the last five years, said students and faculty were being smeared for the failings of the college's administration over the years.

"I personally don't think that's fair," said Middlebrook, who graduated from Compton 30 years ago and said he thought enough changes can be made over the next few months to ensure the school remains open.

Meanwhile, he said, students can still get a good education there: "We're as good or better than any community college."

Patrick McLaughlin, an English professor who has taught at Compton for 33 years, said: "I am more disappointed than I am nervous. I just think it's a real tragedy that they would consider not accrediting or closing a community college with a long history like this one has. There is a real need."

He said he is "confident that we'll pull out of this. We have the talent here that can do this, given an adequate amount of time and a fair hearing."

Times staff writer Natasha Lee contributed to this report.

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.....and the potential loss of accreditation of Compton College,

.......and the turmoil at Killer/Butcher King

.....the environment in the inner-city where the masses of Black people live, or die.....

.....the unwarranted and unlawful break-up of the Black family structure for profit, and many other atrocities....

......have more to do with Black incompetence, an inept Black elected leadership, a disgraceful Black middleclass and/or Democratic Party influence....

.......than any connection to the Republican Party, President George Bush, and/or the Bush Administration! It is so much easier to blame the demise of the Black community on the Bush Administration, because this just gives the Black middleclass, and/or our own inept leadership, a useless excuse to do nothing but play the blame game!

....and again, it is not just me saying so!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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by the way Lofton.....i read your post in the other board where you were ranting to racist whites about how f-ked up black people are....and you stated that you have been republican for ten years now....that is good and fine...but i wonder what republicans are doing for your community....you complain about illegals...but republicans use them for cheap labor.....you obviously against anything for blacks so i expect the rest....but what is it that bush is doing for you...or dennis praeger? have those white folks heard your case and offered you help or sympathy?
Mr. Lofton,

One of the citation in your last post, "Prison in the Cards" appears to be inconsistent with the statement you made to link to the document. I quote from that document:

"The Bush Administration has taken a do-nothing approach to the fact that the imprisonment of underprivileged African-Americans has reached epidemic proportions".

and...

"Let's make sure we're the country of the second chance," President Bush told the crowd, without mentioning how his administration would rectify the federally-instituted denial of student loans, public housing, or welfare to any person convicted of a drug crime".

An oversight on your part, perhaps?

Surely the political party in power bears some responsibility to the people to rectify an injustice, does it not?

Kind regards,
Chile Willow
"by the way Lofton.....i read your post in the other board where you were ranting to racist whites about how f-ked up black people are....and you stated that you have been republican for ten years now....that is good and fine...but i wonder what republicans are doing for your community....you complain about illegals...but republicans use them for cheap labor.....you obviously against anything for blacks so i expect the rest....but what is it that bush is doing for you...or dennis praeger? have those white folks heard your case and offered you help or sympathy?"

The Caucasian community has known about this information for years. The Caucasian legal counsel for the LAUSD have already admitted guilt to each and every allegation as charged. Caucasians have created and appointed Black people in positions of influence to resolve Los Angeles Superior Court case #895188.

In each case, our own elected officials have chosen to join the ranks of the perpetrators, in that these individuals, speaking of our own Black elected leaders, and others in positions of influence, are indeed treasonous.

It is not the responsibility of the Caucasian community to be the first to step up to the plate in cases where they have admitted guilt, and will also be held responsible for paying out the settlement.


....and again the Bush Administration is not responsible for the demise of the Black community. The failure of our own elected representatives, legal community, church community, and/or others in positions of influence to competently serve our community have more to do with the demise of the Black community!

Our own elected officials, lawyers, and/or others are in fact a disgrace, and again it is not just me saying so!

....and again I'm not about to flip this script.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Also, Mr. Lofton,

In your citation "and it's not just me saying so", the administrator of this web site lists

"Rodney King Arrested On Drugs and Flashing Charges"...

in his index of articles to support his initial statement.

I wonder if you might explain to me what Rodney King's arrest on these charges has to do with his previous encounter with the Los Angeles Police Department; to wit, the savage and brutal beating he experienced at the hands of LA police officers.

Also, I'm curious to know how Mr. King's arrest supports the authors theme that the "media's choice of black leader is abominable". Rodney King may be many things but he is hardly looked upon as a "black leader".

Just curious.

Kind regards,
ChileWillow
Mr. Lofton,

When I first joined this forum, I believed that you were a sincere man, with sincere concerns about the corruption within the African American community. Your ideas differed from mine, but as I said, I believed you were sincere and were entitled to your opinion.

A few minutes ago I decided out of curiosity to follow one of your links to find-out a little more about you. I came to your post dated January 16th, 2004 at 11:17 PM., the one beginning "Some people would say that I'm crazy...".

I read a few words of the nonsense you posted and then followed the link you associated with this vituperative epiphany. I was not totally surprised to discover the document referenced by the link – "Why the Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday Should Be Repealed" – but I was surprised when I saw that the document was created by http://www.creator.org/, an extreme racist, right-wing "Christian" web site.

I wish someone had warned me... or maybe they tried to.

This web-site is affiliated and publishes links to some of the most blatant hate-groups in world, including...

Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Volkermord.com
Klanstore.com
Radiowhite.com
Whitelegionknights.org
White Power Forum
Aryanradio.com
Radical Hate Music
Celticreign.com
Skinburgos
Purehaterecords.tk
Retaliator Skinhead Nation...

And the list goes on and on. There are 88 hate-site links on http://www.creator.org/

That you are allowed to associate these groups with AfricanAmerica.org is beyond me. It is all the more reason that members should probably be screened.

Our conversation is finished.

ChileWillow
Well Chilewillow and/or any one else of similar expression!

"In your citation "and it's not just me saying so", the administrator of this web site lists

"Rodney King Arrested On Drugs and Flashing Charges"...

in his index of articles to support his initial statement.

I wonder if you might explain to me what Rodney King's arrest on these charges has to do with his previous encounter with the Los Angeles Police Department; to wit, the savage and brutal beating he experienced at the hands of LA police officers....

.....Also, I'm curious to know how Mr. King's arrest supports the authors theme that the "media's choice of black leader is abominable". Rodney King may be many things but he is hardly looked upon as a "black leader".

Just curious." by Chilewillow

...it is you who have used this material to bring up Rodney King. Rodney King, is very far from being a hero. Rodney King is a career criminal and a felon. A few Los Angeles police officers made the grave mistake of using excessive force, lying about it, and covering-up criminal wrongdoing, which was captured by video by Mr. George Holliday, a Caucasian.

....."just blows holes in misinformation,...mind you misinformation that it must be all the fault of "racist" Caucasians,

........ a good samaritan, such as, Mr. George Holliday, just doesn't exist

.......if left up to the erroneous message of the Black "racist" race card players on this message board, and other sources of "playing the race card game", a practice that is indeed useless, much less than factual, and/or very counter-productive.


Make no mistake, had Mr. Holliday not captured this video, not a one of us would know about the Rodney King beating police atrocity. Rodney King would have been like so many other Black men, receiving similar mistreatment,.......

........mistreatment as applied to just another wrongful police beating, maiming, killing, or shooting, being swept under the carpet, to which the media, the Black community, any other community, nor the world for that matter would have been informed of this atrocity, period, period, period.

Since it is you, who bring up the plight of Rodney King, and not me, perhaps I should pull more references from this link, that are both factual, and real, which are not dependent on the KKK, the aryan nation, Caucasians, racists, etc., for proof!!!

My only interest in the link, is to augment my own material, in that No Good Reverend Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine "Kerosene" Waters, etc., etc., are indeed a disgrace.

"When I first joined this forum, I believed that you were a sincere man, with sincere concerns about the corruption within the African American community. Your ideas differed from mine, but as I said, I believed you were sincere and were entitled to your opinion.....

.......I read a few words of the nonsense you posted and then followed the link you associated with this vituperative epiphany. I was not totally surprised to discover the document referenced by the link – "Why the Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday Should Be Repealed" – but I was surprised when I saw that the document was created by This web-site is affiliated and publishes links to some of the most blatant hate-groups in world, including" By Chilewillow

..it is not what you or I believe that matters, but rather it is the truth that matters. What difference does it make where the source of the truth originates?

Corretta Scott King has even asked, or worse yet begged the FBI, and/or other government authorities to conceal the truth about Dr. Martin Luther King....conceal the fact that Martin Luther King cheated on his wife, he had mistresses, he took credit for literary writing that was not his, etc.

In addition, Corretta Scott King, wanted the Hollywood movie industry to produce a movie about the true story of Dr. Martin Luther King's life. Hollywood movie producers responded, the response being in essence, any movie about Dr. Martin Luther King, that is financed by the motion picture industry must include the reality of it, the reality of it that Dr. Martin Luther King cheated on his wife, plagarized, supported subversive organizations, was sacreligious, etc., etc.

Corrett Scott King did not want this truth to be circulated in motion picture outlets, thus this is where it stands, meaning Hollywood is not going to produce a movie about "King" that is not factual. Anyone who expects to be depicted in a good light, should make it their business to be ethical, moral, honest, respectful, or other good human qualities to begin with, to eliminate the possibility of any discrediting material, that can not be disproved, ever being published about your life.

The solution to prevent having anything published to discredit your good character or name, is to be of good character to begin with, so that no one can publish information to prove that you have cheated on your wife, plagarized, had mistresses, etc., etc. This would be especially true for any preacher. Can't on one hand talk about the sins of others, and in the same breath be a sinner in a big way yourself. A preacher must always practice what he preaches, or if not, his or her name will be dragged through the mud, and rightfully so.

....This being said, Dr. Martin Luther King, and/or others have reduced their own self worth, that can't be blamed on the KKK, volkermord, Klanstore, Radiowhite, Whitelegionknights, White Power Forum, Aryanradio, Radical Hate Music, Celticreign, Skinburgos, Purehaterecords, Retaliator Skinhead Nation, etc. It is you who made this association and not I, so perhaps you should follow your own advice!


...as if to say, the truth about Dr. Martin Luther King, has not been published by other reputable sources!

....and again I choose my own heroes, and not you! None of the heroes to which I have chosen, face the music that Dr. Martin Luther King faces, meaning information that sticks that can destroy your credibility. So far, I have been ethical, moral, honest, and law abiding, so that no one, can publish any information as published about Dr. Martin Luther King to destroy my good character! My credibility will be just as strong going in, as leaving, thus my response remains the same.

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"......The district may be his heart and soul, but until recently, it was not Wesson's home "” although he has had a long history of representing parts of the district at the state level."

.......Like carpet bagging deceitful Martin Ludlow....

.........Herb Wesson is yet one more sleazy carpet-bagging individual, to which the Los Angeles Times makes it very clear from this excerpt that Herb Wesson is indeed a carpet bagger.

Win or lose, as soon as the special election, or future election, is over, Herb Wesson will move back to his true residence, which is not within the 10th Los Angeles City Council District!

.....just proves that is very easy to prove that far too many our own leaders are disgraceful, liars, fraudulent, deceitful, ignorant, un-American, etc.


Unlike Herb Wesson, I'm a resident of the 10th District, and have been a resident for well over twenty years.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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It is funny how someone who comes from a dysfunctional unit themselves can point fingers and name call in the manner they do. It is funny how Dr. King and the related Civil Rights movement is responsible for the entry of black men into fields they were historically excluded because they were black. Some can relate to the problems their own people had as black men yet still degrade black people as the cause of their problems. Life is funny...and I now see at this age why people who have malice in their hearts are usually dealt a schitty hand in life themselves......I guess what they do is a ploy to make others feel as miserable as they do......which does not work....that individual usually becomes more self-tormenting until the wear and tear on their bodies start to contribute to a premature demise.......life is really funny like that sometimes.......
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It is funny how someone who comes from a dysfunctional unit themselves can point fingers and name call in the manner they do. It is funny how Dr. King and the related Civil Rights movement is responsible for the entry of black men into fields they were historically excluded because they were black. Some can relate to the problems their own people had as black men yet still degrade black people as the cause of their problems. Life is funny...and I now see at this age why people who have malice in their hearts are usually dealt a schitty hand in life themselves......I guess what they do is a ploy to make others feel as miserable as they do......which does not work....that individual usually becomes more self-tormenting until the wear and tear on their bodies start to contribute to a premature demise.......life is really funny like that sometimes.......

Sorry, Kevin, but I don't see the humor in defaming a great man who sacrificed so much for other people. Even the greatest of men make bad choices and you can find them if you selectively look for them. To imply that these are the sum total of Dr. King's life just sucks and is infuriating.

His obvious purpose is to agitate everyone and because I'm new, I have to ask... why is he here?

ChileWillow
when I say funny...i mean odd or weird...damn sure not humorous..but he is just in here as a distraction and serves no informative purpose whatsoever. He says really dumb things like Dr. King or Affirmative Action did nothing for him...It is easy to refute any and everything he says because it is all based on internal afliction and not factual knowledge...for instance, a black electrician in LA thinking AA did not help him.....read below:


The Clinton administration, in its review of governmental affirmative action policies, found that active federal enforcement during the 1970s "caused government contractors to increase moderately their hiring of minority workers. According to one study, for example, the employment share of black males in contractor firms increased from 5.8 percent in 1974 to 6.7 percent in 1980. In non-contractor firms, the black male share increased more modestly, from 5.3 percent to 5.9 percent."

A significant number of the 1.3 million black government employees owe their jobs (or promotions to managerial rank) to affirmative action. Corporate affirmative action programs (some voluntary, others reflecting consent decrees in response to government pressure) have opened up managerial ranks, though not yet the very top echelons, to minorities and women.

Any assessment of the expansion of employment opportunities over the past three decades must take into account, in Jerome Karabel's words, "how exclusionary many labor markets were in 1965 not only in high-status professions such as law, medicine, and academe but also in strategic working-class domains such as construction unions and police and fire departments." Karabel notes that while increased minority representation in the professions is widely recognized, "the record in certain blue-collar jobs is just as impressive. For example, between 1970 and 1990, the number of black electricians more than tripled (from 14,145 to 43,276) and the number of black police officers increased almost as rapidly (from 23,796 to 63,855)." A significant portion of these gains is attributable to affirmative action plans applicable to unions and local governments. Aggregate gains in employment and promotion for women and minorities have continued during the past decade, considered by some to have been a period of diminished attention to equity.

Effects on wages appear to have been modest. According to a benchmark report by James Smith and Finis Welch, "the racial wage gap narrowed as rapidly in the 20 years prior to 1960 (and before affirmative action) as during the 20 years afterward." The report argues that "slowly evolving historical forces," such as education and migration, "were the primary determinants of the long-term black economic improvement. At best, affirmative action has marginally altered black wage gains about this long-term trend."

Aggregate effects on higher education enrollments appear to have been larger. In 1955, only 4.9 percent of college students ages 18-24 were black. This figure rose to 6.5 percent during the next five years, but by 1965 had slumped back to 4.9 percent. Only in the wake of affirmative action measures in the late 1960s and early 1970s did the percentage of black college students begin to climb steadily: to 7.8 percent in 1970, 9.1 percent in 1980, and 11.3 percent in 1990. Educational gains for Hispanics have been less impressive. According to a recent report based on Census Bureau statistics, Hispanics holding bachelor's or advanced degrees rose from 5 percent of the Hispanic population in 1970 to 9 percent in 1994. (These figures exclude recent immigrants.) By contrast, blacks holding bachelor's or advanced degrees rose from 4.5 percent of the black population to 12.9 percent during the same period.

Overall, the past three decades have witnessed huge growth in the black middle class, educational attainment, incomes of black married couples relative to white married couples, and suburbanization, along with a substantial decline in overall black poverty rates. These gains are attributable to a complex of causes: national economic growth, a decline in discriminatory attitudes and practices by whites, and programs -- including affirmative action -- targeted to African-Americans. While we can sometimes trace the quantitative impact of single causes within particular economic or educational organizations, it is far more difficult to ascertain the relative contribution of each factor to the aggregate gains of recent decades.

In conjunction with other broad economic and social trends, these positive changes have led to what Seymour Martin Lipset has characterized as "growing differentiation" within the black community. On one side, there is now a burgeoning black middle class; on the other, there are the ghetto poor, economically and socially isolated from the rest of society. These poor people belong primarily to two groups: single mothers and their minor children, and young men who have dropped out of both high school and the labor force.

As numerous scholars have argued, affirmative action programs have not had significant positive consequences for the bulk of the ghetto poor; nor are they likely to. The reason is straightforward: these programs work most effectively when they remove barriers to opportunity for those who possess the credentials to succeed or who are strongly motivated to acquire them within established norms and institutions.
It benefitted you....you are just too fucking stupid to realize it..and affirmative action was considered constitutional by the highest court in the land.....which just proves that you will go along with racists just to be against black people....for the very things you benefitted from yourself. You know that you benefitted from it....just like you benefitted from Dr. King's work anytime you take your azz somewhere and do not have to sit in the colored section. I have a bachelor's, masters and doctorate and affirmative action helped me....it gave me a chance to compete.....that is all....the rest was on me to do the work and come out ahead of others......you are a electrician......and the stats indicated how the number increased over the years....so Lofton, what special skill do you have that exempted you from needing what other black electricians did to enter their field. I am sure they are as qualified, if not more than you are.

I see the bigger picture now....your family was called out on some obvious deficiency that you want to blame on blacks.....but you and I both know that black social workers did not pick your family out of the clear blue sky...there had to be something that brought your family to their attention....but just like your stupid azz comments about a congressman being an illegal immigrant....you will never look inward at the dumb azz ludicrous things you say....so that whole thing about your family is just some bullschit act of denial. Couple that with that flaky azz political approach your people had in the 10th district...which was probably based on lies and slander.......you ended up being the sore azz loser you are today.....but like the immigrant thing...I bet you cannot outline why the things that benefitted black people en masse did not benefit you. Please explain how you were exempted from that which benefitted the whole race in america........what makes you so damn special that you did not need the social benefits I did? What made you be able to eat in white restaurants during segregation? what allowed you to be an electrician and not need AA to allow your entry into the profession when black men with credentials waaaaaay above yours did? see if you can logically answer the question and not go into that unrelated, adult ADD bullschit you always do..........
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For example, between 1970 and 1990, the number of black electricians more than tripled (from 14,145 to 43,276) and the number of black police officers increased almost as rapidly (from 23,796 to 63,855)."




If AA did not benefit you it is because you did not get off of your azz and utilize the opportunities available for you.......you may have just sat on your lazy azz and became a household handyman who breaks more schit than he fixes....and let your own personal lack of motivation be an excuse to blame it on blacks......the statement below eludes to your type.....I am sure you are lazy....because if you cannot get off of your azz to even type in proof for those asinine azz statements you try to present as fact, you are not probably going to get off of your azz to accomplish much else....i know quite a few of you inner city azz loser negroes who do not want anyone else to advance so you can feel better about your own sorry azz state in life....I have met quite a few here in LA....and the sad part is...these are the negroes who needed AA the most....they were less-than-average performers at a less-than-average school....barely have above a remedial learning ability.....but blames their own lack of effort on someone else....you always talk about people blaming shit on caucasians...when racism is true and documented....but you use black people as a excuse for your own damn sorry azz lack of motivation........and black people aren't trying to do schit to you or your community......many of us do not even understand what we are up against....and the rest are trying to get theirs........
The reason is straightforward: these programs work most effectively when they remove barriers to opportunity for those who possess the credentials to succeed or who are strongly motivated to acquire them within established norms and institutions.
so I see you will not research your field and se where brothers like you were first given rights of inclusion...the same old intellectually lazy azz responses......
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so I see you will not research your field and se where brothers like you were first given rights of inclusion...the same old intellectually lazy azz responses......


.....there is no need for me to research this, because AA has nothing to do with my success.

....and it is a waste of my valuable time to attempt to explain this to any professor, or instructor on the university level, who can think of nothing but nonsense, or who would prefer to be anything but on the level or being truthful.

One major function of any teacher is to search for the truth, to be truthful, etc., but somehow, time and time again, at least one teacher, namely Kevin41, has no interest in being truthful or searching for the truth.

.....which means that it is useless, unproductive, and a waste of time to hold a conversation, or have any form of communication exchange, with someone who should be truthful. This would be especially the case as it applies to any teacher or preacher, because this calling above many other professions would mandate or require the individual to be ethical, truthful, honorable, etc.!!!!


.....and as for civil rights activists in any Jesse Jackson, Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, the NAACP, PUSH, SCLC, our own elected officials in any "Brentwood Burke", serving foreign interests no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, Kerosene Waters, Diane Watson, Dave Cunningham, Martin Ludlow, etc., that so called black middleclass, Black lawyers, Black foster care providers, Black social workers, Black probation officers, Black preachers, etc.,

......when the opportunity presented itself for the individuals and/or organizations to be ethical, step up to the plate, obey the law, show some compassion, have some degree of competency, prove that they are not lazy and uncouth, have something else on the agenda other than game playing, self-serving, treasonous, and/or deceitful......

..........in every instance these individuals have no desire or intention to be constructive. This being said, based on their actions, these individuals deserve nothing less than condemnation.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton
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By the Numbers (June 7)


52%
Disapprove of President Bush's performance

48%
Approve of President Bush's performance

41%
Approve of Iraq policy

58%
Disapprove of Iraq policy


Zogby America Poll June 20-22, 2005. N=1,000 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.2. RV = registered voters.

"Overall, how would you rate President Bush's performance on the job . . . ?"

Excellent/Good = 44%

Fair/Poor = 56%
What does that tell you? He is wringing the very racists who put him in office to be punitive to others...but you have negroes relegated to the worse of everything supporting the party of rich WASPS......yet cannot understand the racist actions that created their environment...or what type of politics they actually benefitted from......but they know....because if white folks loved em so......they would be on there way and not in here saying none of that crazy azz nonsense to us....but here they are.....
"ATLANTA "” For the first time in decades, the NAACP on Saturday named a business executive "” not a minister, political figure or grass-roots activist "” as its leader.

Bruce S. Gordon, former president of retail markets at Verizon Communications, said that under his leadership, the NAACP would increase its emphasis on entrepreneurial growth and economic justice in the black community.

He also said the venerable civil rights organization should transcend partisan politics and build its ties with the Bush White House. "Our organization needs to have a relationship on both sides of the aisle," said Gordon, 59. "We have a very polarized country, and I don't like that."

Gordon becomes president and chief executive of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People at a sensitive time. Bush has refused four invitations to speak at the organization's summer convention, the first president since Herbert Hoover to do so.

In November, the Internal Revenue Service began an investigation of the NAACP's taxexempt status as a nonpartisan organization after authorities said board Chairman Julian Bond had crossed the line in a speech criticizing Bush policies and the Iraq war.

Gordon's predecessor, former Maryland congressman Kweisi Mfume, resigned the same month, shortly before public allegations that he engaged in favoritism. Mfume had led the organization for nine years, and soon afterward announced a run as a Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Maryland.

As the NAACP began a search for a new leader "” winnowing down a field of 254 applicants "” critics said the group risked losing its relevance, especially to young people.

At its meeting Saturday, the NAACP board of directors formally selected Gordon, who will become president in July after completing contract negotiations. The choice of Gordon, observers said, could engage a generation of young African Americans who see entrepreneurship as a central goal.

"There are a lot of African Americans who admire black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."

Gordon spent 35 years at Verizon, beginning as a management trainee and finishing as president of retail markets. When he left the company, Gordon oversaw a business unit that employed 34,000 people and recorded $25 billion in sales. In 2002, Fortune magazine ranked him the sixth most powerful black executive in America.

Still, his name remained unknown within activist circles, said Ron Daniels, executive director of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights.

"The fact that I don't know him causes me some pause," Daniels said. "I think the verdict is still very much out. Right now, I think black America faces some of the most serious challenges in the last half-century. This is a moment when you want someone who is going to be a champion."

Founded in 1909 by a multiracial group of activists, the 500,000-member NAACP has long served as the nation's leading civil rights organization, monitoring equal opportunity laws and conducting voter mobilization drives. It is governed by a 64-member board of directors, headed by Bond. The last business figure to serve as leader of the NAACP was Walter White, an Atlanta insurance executive, who served from 1931 to 1955.

As its president, Gordon will be the official spokesman for the organization.

Gordon said Saturday that he was raised by activist parents "” his father was the founder of the Camden, N.J., branch of the NAACP "” but that he chose as a young man to push for change from within powerful organizations. At Verizon, he founded a networking program to help African American executives advance within the company, and participated in the Executive Leadership Council, a nonprofit working for black representation in corporate America.

"I get a little sensitive if someone implies to me that I wasn't doing anything," Gordon said. "If my parents' generation went through all they did "” up to and including sacrificing their lives "” if no one went through those doors, their efforts would have been in vain. I think I did exactly what they dreamed I would do."

Gordon said that he was a registered Democrat, but that he had contributed to campaigns of both Democratic and Republican candidates. He praised the Bush administration for putting resources behind AIDS treatment and implementing the No Child Left Behind Act. He gave no comment on the war in Iraq, saying his "feelings are not relevant to this mission." But he added one proviso:

"I believe in inclusion," Gordon said. "I believe in respect for all God's children. I think that we as a country have not been ... sensitive or considerate of the people we are at war with."

After Gordon's news conference, Nicholas Wiggins, a member of the NAACP's youth council, said Gordon was "a figure young people can relate to." Wiggins, 23, said his peers cared deeply about economic security and employment.

"The old image is marching through the streets with Martin Luther King," Wiggins said. "The new image is making sure that the African American community and communities of color are represented in the boardroom."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times"

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.....the Bush Administration has many supporters, from all walks of life.

....and again, this is yet more reason as to why it is a waste of time responding to Kevin41, or anyone else of similar misguided thinking!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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.....the Bush Administration has many supporters, from all walks of life.

....and again, this is yet more reason as to why it is a waste of time responding to Kevin41, or anyone else of similar misguided thinking!



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Poll: Disapproval of Bush at high point
President's best marks on terrorism, worst on Social Security

(CNN) -- The number of Americans disapproving of President Bush's job performance has risen to the highest level of his presidency, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they disapproved of Bush's performance, compared to 45 percent who approved.

The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The 53 percent figure was the highest disapproval rating recorded in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll since Bush became president in January 2001.

The approval percentage -- 45 percent -- matches a low point set in late March. The 8-point gap between those who disapproved and approved was the largest recorded during Bush's tenure.

As Bush prepares to address the nation Tuesday to defend his Iraq policy, just 40 percent of those responding to the poll said they approved of his handling of the war; 58 percent said they disapproved. (Full story)

The approval rating on Iraq was unchanged from a poll in late May, and the disapproval figure marked an increase of 2 percentage points.

But the poll also found that issues other than the Iraq war may be dragging down Bush's numbers.

Respondents expressed even stronger disapproval of his handling of the economy, energy policy, health care and Social Security.

The lone bright spot for the president in the poll was his handling of terrorism, which scored a 55 percent approval rating, compared to just 41 percent who disapproved.

The president's worst numbers in the latest poll came on the issue of Social Security, with respondents disapproving of his performance by a margin of more than 2-to-1 -- 64 percent to 31 percent.

Bush has made changing the Social Security system a signature issue of his second term.

He has proposed creating voluntary government-sponsored personal retirement accounts for workers 55 and younger.

Under his proposal, workers could invest a portion of their Social Security taxes in a range of government-selected funds in exchange for lower guaranteed benefits at retirement.

The plan has run into stiff opposition from Democrats, who say the accounts are too risky and will undermine the Social Security system. Some Republicans also are wary of taking on such a politically risky idea.

On the economy, only 41 percent of poll respondents said they approved of Bush's performance, compared to 55 percent who disapproved.

On energy policy, only 36 percent approved, while 53 percent disapproved; and on health care, 34 percent approved and 59 percent disapproved.

The poll results were based on interviews from Friday to Sunday with 1,009 American adults.
even the stupid come their senses eventually....the real stupid just keep hanging in there.....as if the public's percpetion is wrong...hell it is obvious that the country is in shambles....and the best is still yet to come....... cabbage
"even the stupid come their senses eventually....the real stupid just keep hanging in there.....as if the public's percpetion is wrong...hell it is obvious that the country is in shambles....and the best is still yet to come......." by Kevin41

.....The Black community has been at the bottom and in extreme poverty, before President George Bush, or his administration even existed. The Black community has been kept in poverty by the sleaze, greed, treason, blatant incompetence and worthless Black leadership of the Democratic Party.


"At its meeting Saturday, the NAACP board of directors formally selected Gordon, who will become president in July after completing contract negotiations. The choice of Gordon, observers said, could engage a generation of young African Americans who see entrepreneurship as a central goal.

There are a lot of African Americans who admire black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."

.....and the above excerpt is from a world class newspaper, world renowned, and a Pulitzer prize winner, in the Los Angeles Times.


....The Los Angeles Sentinel, the typical Black elected leadership, the many jackleg preachers, and the misguided thoughts of any critic in any Kevin41, keep the Black community in poverty, and in the loser's circle.

The sign of the future of any community, is the direction that many of their young people are heading in. Good for you young warriors, in that you think for yourselves, and you have chosen to take on the characteristics of a winner.

.....apparently Black people from all walks of life are coming to their senses, in that many young Black Americans, and their elders, are tired of drama, game playing, and/or following in the footsteps of losers or admiring losers. Evidently the bigger picture does not include this treasonous Black elected leadership, and/or any misconceptions of the reality of it, as presented by Kevin41

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Unemployment for black people in the 90's was half of what it is now...and was the lowest since the depression...but Lofton...you do not read too much...you express your opinions and you seek out people who agree with your opinions even if they are racist and hate the hell out of black people. You are not too factual in your travels and do not seek academic information that truly outlines the landscape from a factual standpoint. You only assert yourself when there is no burden of proof for the things you say...you ran when you said Dymally was an illegal.....you ran when you talked about how awful black people are because of your family...but never said what brought social workers to select your family out of all of those in LA......so you do not have any credibility...you have not read too much and you say shit based on emotions that lacks logic....and is vague and ambiguous so that you canhide behind them without any accountability on your part...just like deviating from your statement about how Bush is doing a great job and how many people follow him...when the majority of americans, even whites thinks he is a fool and a failure....notice how you did not address the poll numbers and congressional displeasure with him? you just moved on to another topic with the usual ranting about black people....or that "same statement" BS you post. I know you may think what you like...but after being involved in higher education for the last 24 years as a student and professor....i clearly know when the person I am talking to lacks factual information.....and the deflection and diversion tactics are indicative of a child's behavior when they are trying to avoid a spanking for doing something wrong....they will employ the same M.O.....which is to divert the topic and speak in an irrelevant manner...with the hope that the parent will forget and keep heat off of their azzes..........so Lofton.....why i respond to you I do not know.....because you have never responded to any question in a coherent, factual manner....only opinionated irrlevant ramblings......but you really need to read more from a factual basis.....go and read from non-partisan acacdemic resources such as the National Urban Public Policy Institute.....and look at legislative outcomes as they affect blacks and see what right-wing and liberal politics has done for blacks......one is punitive..the other creates opportunity that many of us still refuse to use. As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors....it is time for you people to show some intelligence and quit talking in a way that does nothing but capitalize on the ignorance of others who do not read and also stokes the racist passions of others who wish nothing but the worse on black people......so from now on...i will ask you accountability questions to show how much of your dialogue was just your own self-created bullschit and not fact...........
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even the stupid come their senses eventually....the real stupid just keep hanging in there.....as if the public's percpetion is wrong...hell it is obvious that the country is in shambles....and the best is still yet to come....... cabbage


Kevin,

Also, I would hardly characterize these statements as "support" for the Bush Administration:

"Gordon said that he was a registered Democrat, but that he had contributed to campaigns of both Democratic and Republican candidates. He praised the Bush administration for putting resources behind AIDS treatment and implementing the No Child Left Behind Act. He gave no comment on the war in Iraq, saying his "feelings are not relevant to this mission."

But he added one proviso:

"I believe in inclusion," Gordon said. "I believe in respect for all God's children. I think that we as a country have not been ... sensitive or considerate of the people we are at war with."
I do not view those words as support either...and I like the part of Lofton's post that indicates black people have been stupid all throughout history and now some of us finally do not want to rap or play basketall....damn, I never thought we would wake up.....check this startling revelation out:

There are a lot of African Americans who admire black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."
I'm glad the "opportunity structure is greater now". It was Venus crossing the path of Mars in the constellation of Orion at a 45 degree angle to the star Zebulon on the 23 of March, 1978 that finally made the opportunity struture greater.

Whew! I knew it would happen if everyone just waited long enough.

All those people wasting their time marching and protesting, sacrificing their lives, their future, getting people all mad at them. No need for any of that. I tried to tell them. Just wait!

No need for AA. No need for the NAACP. None of that.

It was Venus crossin' Mars in Orion that did it. No doubt about it.
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I do not view those words as support either...and I like the part of Lofton's post that indicates black people have been stupid all throughout history and now some of us finally do not want to rap or play basketall....damn, I never thought we would wake up.....check this startling revelation out:

There are a lot of African Americans who admire Black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."


Yah... all these "Black businessmen" who "become like stars", I'm just sick and tired of seeing them all over the TV. That's all you ever see anymore. You can't turn on any channel without seeing some success story about an African-American who made it to the big-time.

When are we going to be able to see something about Black entertainers and singers? You never hear anything about them.

Hey, I like to hear about African American success stories too, but I'm tired of reading about William Singleton and Marion Jordon and all these Black businessmen getting their own star engraved on Wall Street. Enough, already!

Can't we just read a little about Black rappers and entertainers? And can't we see just a little about Black athletes and sports? Man, I think it's a Republican conspiricy...
I feel ya...i'm tired of being a book-reading black man myself...I think i'll go and fulfill the stereotypes and then white people will feel more comfortable than if I was talking that pro-black nonsense (end sarcasm).............
"Unemployment for black people in the 90's was half of what it is now...and was the lowest since the depression...but Lofton...you do not read too much...you express your opinions and you seek out people who agree with your opinions even if they are racist and hate the hell out of black people. You are not too factual in your travels and do not seek academic information that truly outlines the landscape from a factual standpoint. You only assert yourself when there is no burden of proof for the things you say...you ran when you said Dymally was an illegal.....you ran when you talked about how awful black people are because of your family...but never said what brought social workers to select your family out of all of those in LA......so you do not have any credibility...you have not read too much and you say shit based on emotions that lacks logic....and is vague and ambiguous so that you canhide behind them without any accountability on your part...just like deviating from your statement about how Bush is doing a great job and how many people follow him...when the majority of americans, even whites thinks he is a fool and a failure....notice how you did not address the poll numbers and congressional displeasure with him? you just moved on to another topic with the usual ranting about black people....or that "same statement" BS you post. I know you may think what you like...but after being involved in higher education for the last 24 years as a student and professor....i clearly know when the person I am talking to lacks factual information.....and the deflection and diversion tactics are indicative of a child's behavior when they are trying to avoid a spanking for doing something wrong....they will employ the same M.O.....which is to divert the topic and speak in an irrelevant manner...with the hope that the parent will forget and keep heat off of their azzes..........so Lofton.....why i respond to you I do not know.....because you have never responded to any question in a coherent, factual manner....only opinionated irrlevant ramblings......but you really need to read more from a factual basis.....go and read from non-partisan acacdemic resources such as the National Urban Public Policy Institute.....and look at legislative outcomes as they affect blacks and see what right-wing and liberal politics has done for blacks......one is punitive..the other creates opportunity that many of us still refuse to use. As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors....it is time for you people to show some intelligence and quit talking in a way that does nothing but capitalize on the ignorance of others who do not read and also stokes the racist passions of others who wish nothing but the worse on black people......so from now on...i will ask you accountability questions to show how much of your dialogue was just your own self-created bullschit and not fact..........." by Kevin41

......now what good would it do? I've already given enough factual information, and it still hasn't registered, because of your own inability to recognize fact from fiction. This again is why it is truly a waste of my valuable time to continue responding to the likes of Kevin41, and/or those of similar expression!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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So I do not know FACT from FICTION huh? I do it for a living as a second-career......but you state FICTION that Dymally is an illegal.....but you cannot post a FACT that he is......yet you make the reverse accusation.......go to the academic sites Lofton.....leave the racists and house-negroes along....they are not a source of knowledge..and while you are there....find something that actually says Dymally is an illegal immigrant....and that he was appointed to Congress without ever getting his citizenship. Take time from telling me what my limitations are and try to see what you can accomplish......


And again...I post the challenge:

As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors....

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