THEY HAVE A VERDICT!!!

4:45 now

I am gonna go with not guilty on the molestation andf guilty on providing children with alcohol......

I agree with Faheem and if that is the case just how much money they did spend to find him guilty of giving alcohol to a minor, something that happens all the time at this time of the year due to graduations and such.

NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS!

Good. Now, maybe CNN will cover the Iraq War...
I don't think so, but I can dream.

Good for MJ... I hope he learned his lesson.... stay away from lil Children....

First OJ, then MJ. What's this world coming to!

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Originally posted by MBM:
What's this world coming to!

R-Kelly.....

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Good. Now, maybe CNN will cover the Iraq War...
I don't think so, but I can dream.

Thats a whole heap of dreaming.

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Originally posted by MBM:

First OJ, then MJ. What's this world coming to!

. . . and we always talk about the criminal justice system being biased against the black man!

Is it true that it was an all white jury that set him free?

They need to get that same jury and put them in a time machine, send them to 1955 Mississippi, and find the killers of Emmitt Till guilty.

Or maybe I'm dreaming too.

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Originally posted by jazzdog:
Is it true that it was an all white jury that set him free?

No, it is not true.

There were no African American-Americans.

PEACE

Jim Chester

I knew it! What a bunch of jackasses. Well, white folks better lock up their olive skinned young boys. They've got book deals already!!! Laughing and grinning all over the news like this is the best day of their lives, practically drooling over all the money they're going to make. Ugh! God, I hate capitalism! Anybody with money can be acquitted even against the strongest evidence, it was a given this child-molesting freak was going free with the shaky evidence against him in this case. They had a woman testify to actually seeing him pour wine into Coke cans to unsuspectingly intoxicate the little boy and these dipshits still found him not guilty of that. Is everyone a freaking moron these days?!?

R Kelly will go free, as well. Firstly because he's rich and secondly because no one gives a shit if you're raping little Black girls, not even Black folks. Especially not Black folks.

Wasn't Jesse just on the news hollering about the trial not being fair because the jury was all white? Heh.

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Originally posted by MBM:
. . . and we always talk about the criminal justice system being biased against the black man!

Michael is innocent!!! Greedy music execs have been after him for years. Check with anyone in Hollywood. The trial was planned. Its acting!! Michael is hated by certain individuals. He is the biggest superstar in the WORLD.

OJ is innocent. He may know who did it, but it wasn't him. The glove did not fit! You must acquit! That freeloading guy is still suspect.

Now R Kelly. That dude's gonna do time. Mark my words.

MJ should just "Beat it".

Does everyone really believe he was innocent of all charges??

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Originally posted by Momentum:
MJ should just "Beat it".

lol

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Originally posted by jazzdog:
Is it true that it was an all white jury that set him free?

Nine white, two hispanic, one asian. Eight women, four men.

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Originally posted by chilewillow:

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Originally posted by jazzdog:
Is it true that it was an all white jury that set him free?

Nine white, two hispanic, one asian. Eight women, four men.

It's a good thing there were no black jurors. Had there been, whites would scream and say the black juror had to do with him being acquited.

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Originally posted by Frenchy:
I knew it! What a bunch of jackasses. Well, white folks better lock up their olive skinned young boys. They've got book deals already!!! Laughing and grinning all over the news like this is the best day of their lives, practically drooling over all the money they're going to make. Ugh! God, I hate capitalism! Anybody with money can be acquitted even against the strongest evidence, it was a given this child-molesting freak was going free with the shaky evidence against him in this case. They had a woman testify to actually seeing him pour wine into Coke cans to unsuspectingly intoxicate the little boy and these dipshits still found him not guilty of that. Is everyone a freaking moron these days?!?

R Kelly will go free, as well. Firstly because he's rich and secondly because no one gives a shit if you're raping little Black girls, not even Black folks. Especially not Black folks.

Wasn't Jesse just on the news hollering about the trial not being fair because the jury was all white? Heh.

This particular case should never have been brought to trial and had little to do with guilt or innocense and everything to do with MJ.

Most of the witnesses for the prosecution had serious credibility problems, including the women who testified to seeing MJ serve wine to young boys. Much of the "evidence" was hearsay, and a strong argument could be made that the District Attorney of Santa Barbara County had been after MJ since the early 1990's.

Based on the totality of the evidence presented, this trial borders on malicious prosecution, an offence actionable under California law.

Guilty or innocent, saint or sinner and again, based on the evidence presented, MJ should never have been charged. That he was charged is yet another example of the flaws in our legal system.

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This particular case should never have been brought to trial and had little to do with guilt or innocense and everything to do with MJ.

Of course it was all about Michael. It had everything to do with whether or not there was enough evidence to convict Michael of child molestation, etc. No trial is about guilt or innocence. It is only about whether there is enough evidence to find someone guilty or not.

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Most of the witnesses for the prosecution had serious credibility problems, including the women who testified to seeing MJ serve wine to young boys.

Everyone in the trial had credibility problems. Only an insane man would invite strange boys into his bed night after night. Only insane people would see that kind of behavior and simply look away. Only an insane parent would allow their child to sleep in a strange adult male's bed. They're all freaks! How many times has Michael been on television talking complete and utter nonsensical bullshit about why these children are in his bed. He's only lucky he didn't have to take the stand.

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Much of the "evidence" was hearsay,

You cannot admit hearsay into evidence or include it in your testimony. It was a fairly standard child molestation case. Predators pick out victims from broken homes who tend to have emotional issues. The first thing they start screaming when they are caught is "How could you believee this disturbed child over me?!?" Short of being stupid enough to actually videotape yourself molesting a child, it always comes down to he said/she said. Very rarely is it possible to put together a "strong" case.

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and a strong argument could be made that the District Attorney of Santa Barbara County had been after MJ since the early 1990's.

I agree. But that is because he's been molesting boys since at least the early 1990s and using his money to pay off his victims.

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Based on the totality of the evidence presented, this trial borders on malicious prosecution,

I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. They had the testimony of the victim! They had video of Michael Jackson cuddling with the victim on camera and talking about sharing his bed with strangers' children. They had the testimony of former employees who saw lewd acts and were instructed to prevent the family from leaving the compound. They had the testimony of the former PR person who said outright the strategy was to paint the mother as a "crack whore" in the media and smear the victim as well as hire private investigators to dig up dirt on the family. It was a very circumstantial case, but that is not anything that comes close to mailicious prosecution, which implies pulling a case out of thin air.

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Guilty or innocent, saint or sinner and again, based on the evidence presented, MJ should never have been charged. That he was charged is yet another example of the flaws in our legal system.

I certainly think there was enough to charge him. For several reasons, I'm not surprised that he was found Not Guilty. The strongest case against him was Jordy's back in '93(?). He should've been charged then and sent to the slammer.

The full list of charges faced by Michael Jackson at his child abuse trial.

Count 1: Conspiracy to commit child abduction, false imprisonment and extortion between 1 February and 31 March 2003. not guilty

Count 2: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 3: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 4: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 5: Lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 6: Attempt to commit a lewd act upon a child between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 7: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 8: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 9: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

Count 10: Administering an intoxicating agent to assist in the commission of a felony (child molestation) between 20 February and 12 March 2003. not guilty

The jury had been given permission to reduce one charge if they feel unable to reach a guilty verdict.



Judge Rodney Melville has said they could decide Mr Jackson gave teenager Gavin Arvizo alcohol but did not abuse him, a lesser charge with a penalty of up to a year in prison.

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Originally posted by chilewillow:

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Originally posted by Frenchy:
I knew it! What a bunch of jackasses. Well, white folks better lock up their olive skinned young boys. They've got book deals already!!! Laughing and grinning all over the news like this is the best day of their lives, practically drooling over all the money they're going to make. Ugh! God, I hate capitalism! Anybody with money can be acquitted even against the strongest evidence, it was a given this child-molesting freak was going free with the shaky evidence against him in this case. They had a woman testify to actually seeing him pour wine into Coke cans to unsuspectingly intoxicate the little boy and these dipshits still found him not guilty of that. Is everyone a freaking moron these days?!?

R Kelly will go free, as well. Firstly because he's rich and secondly because no one gives a shit if you're raping little Black girls, not even Black folks. Especially not Black folks.

Wasn't Jesse just on the news hollering about the trial not being fair because the jury was all white? Heh.

This particular case should never have been brought to trial and had little to do with guilt or innocense and everything to do with MJ.

Most of the witnesses for the prosecution had serious credibility problems, including the women who testified to seeing MJ serve wine to young boys. Much of the "evidence" was hearsay, and a strong argument could be made that the District Attorney of Santa Barbara County had been after MJ since the early 1990's.

Based on the totality of the evidence presented, this trial borders on malicious prosecution, an offence actionable under California law.

Guilty or innocent, saint or sinner and again, based on the evidence presented, MJ should never have been charged. That he was charged is yet another example of the flaws in our legal system.

The evidence in this case was irrelevent in the decision to charge MJ; much of it was put together after the charges were filed. In Mr. Sneddon's eyes, anything would have worked. To him, MJ was political, a career making opportunity.

"Evidence" is often not the centerpiece on which the outcome of a trial is based, much as it should be. American history is replete with examples of people convicted with little or no evidence.

Only on "Law & Order" is hearsay evidence inadmissible. In a real courtroom and under the right circumstances, hearsay evidence is admitted far too often - a lame or overworked defence attorney, a judge asleep at the wheel, a judge prejudicial to a case. Again, history is replete with cases of people convicted on hearsay evidence.

There was absolutely nothing "standard" about this case, unless it was the fact that a black man was standing in the docket.

It was a malicious prosecution because the evidence was oh so very weak, because the "victim" had a history of lying and lied under oath, because the "victim" and his family had a monetary vested interest in the conviction of MJ, because other prosecution witnesses had a history of lying.

Mr. Sneddon knew all of this before he presented his case before a grand jury. For his own purposes, he presented it anyway.

What sexual predators do or don't do is again irrelevant to this case. What MJ did or didn't do in the 90's, the 80's, when he was a kid, is irrelevent. The judge made a judical error in allowing the tape to be admitted. Had MJ been convicted, it would have been grounds for appeal.

If the trial were perfect, the only thing that would matter is the evidence presented and the veracity, the credibility of the witnesses. Mr. Sneddon's evidence was weak, his judgement was tainted, and his witnesses were grifters.

What I find especially deplorable about this trail is the press and all of the people who convicted MJ before he ever appeared in court. We do have a constitution, don't we and isn't there something in there about "reasonable doubt"?

If MJ committed fifty acts of child molestation in the past, than convict him of those!!! Don't make him stand before the court based on false accusations and weak evidence and the political aspirations of some local DA. Reasonable doubt?? How about obvious doubt?

It should be clear to Michael right now that his (second) childhood is over. He's pushing 50, and it's time for him to be an adult.

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The evidence in this case was irrelevent in the decision to charge MJ; much of it was put together after the charges were filed.

This is incorrect. Much of what was presented was simple testimony that required nothing but an interview beforehand, which they did.

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"Evidence" is often not the centerpiece on which the outcome of a trial is based, much as it should be. American history is replete with examples of people convicted with little or no evidence.

It is also chock-full of people who are currently running the streets, guilty as sin, despite a mountain of evidence. This is the problem with juries.

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Only on "Law & Order" is hearsay evidence inadmissible. In a real courtroom and under the right circumstances, hearsay evidence is admitted far too often - a lame or overworked defence attorney, a judge asleep at the wheel, a judge prejudicial to a case. Again, history is replete with cases of people convicted on hearsay evidence.

This is not true. You simply cannot get on the stand and talk about what someone else told you someone else said. Everyone in the courtroom would have to be braindead and in a coma while that was going on. People are frequently convicted of circumstantial evidence, but not hearsay.

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There was absolutely nothing "standard" about this case, unless it was the fact that a black man was standing in the docket.

Please. Michael hasn't been Black for years. And I maintain this case was very standard. It is extraordinary difficult to prove a rape case and even more difficult to prove child molestation where penetration does not frequently occur, the child feels shame and is not forthcoming with information, adults have been grooming the victim into thinking certain actions are acceptable, etc. That is facts.

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It was a malicious prosecution because the evidence was oh so very weak,

Malicious prosecution is when there is no evidence. absolutely nothing to justify the charges. Not weak evidence.

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because the "victim" had a history of lying and lied under oath,

He's a freaking kid!!!!! Everyday he's hounded by psychotic weirdos chanting outside for a man they don't even know from a hole in the wall because they bought a couple albums. I will never understand people who would rather believe the human sideshow that is Michael Jackson over a child.

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because the "victim" and his family had a monetary vested interest in the conviction of MJ,

They gained nothing monetarily from Michael. A civil case is not more easily won because of a criminal conviction because the standard is completely different in the two trials (see the OJ Simpson case). And if anything, they now stand to gain less money than if they would've filed a civil suit in the beginning because Michael is already broke and he has mounting legal fees. Furthermore, the family turned down a financial settlement prior to the trial.

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because other prosecution witnesses had a history of lying.

Yes, everyone was lying except for poor wittle Michael. Poor wittle Michael who doesn't even normally speak in that fake ass "child voice" he so often uses on TV and sleeps with strange boys . Yeah, he's one you can trust.

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What sexual predators do or don't do is again irrelevant to this case.

No, it's not. They have a pattern, which MJ fits. This is one of the ways you identify them.

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What MJ did or didn't do in the 90's, the 80's, when he was a kid, is irrelevent. The judge made a judical error in allowing the tape to be admitted. Had MJ been convicted, it would have been grounds for appeal.

What kind of judicial error???

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If the trial were perfect, the only thing that would matter is the evidence presented and the veracity, the credibility of the witnesses.

Indeed. Instead you had a bunch of drooling fangirls with dollar signs in their eyes who let a child molester run free without even a cursory glance at any of the evidence in front of them. If the trial were perfect, MJ would be hunched over in a jail cell someone getting "Child Molester Treatment" from other inmates.

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Originally posted by Frenchy:

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The evidence in this case was irrelevent in the decision to charge MJ; much of it was put together after the charges were filed.

This is incorrect. Much of what was presented was simple testimony that required nothing but an interview beforehand, which they did.

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"Evidence" is often not the centerpiece on which the outcome of a trial is based, much as it should be. American history is replete with examples of people convicted with little or no evidence.

It is also chock-full of people who are currently running the streets, guilty as sin, despite a mountain of evidence. This is the problem with juries.

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Only on "Law & Order" is hearsay evidence inadmissible. In a real courtroom and under the right circumstances, hearsay evidence is admitted far too often - a lame or overworked defence attorney, a judge asleep at the wheel, a judge prejudicial to a case. Again, history is replete with cases of people convicted on hearsay evidence.

This is not true. You simply cannot get on the stand and talk about what someone else told you someone else said. Everyone in the courtroom would have to be braindead and in a coma while that was going on. People are frequently convicted of circumstantial evidence, but not hearsay.

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There was absolutely nothing "standard" about this case, unless it was the fact that a black man was standing in the docket.

Please. Michael hasn't been Black for years. And I maintain this case was very standard. It is extraordinary difficult to prove a rape case and even more difficult to prove child molestation where penetration does not frequently occur, the child feels shame and is not forthcoming with information, adults have been grooming the victim into thinking certain actions are acceptable, etc. That is facts.

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It was a malicious prosecution because the evidence was oh so very weak,

Malicious prosecution is when there is no evidence. absolutely nothing to justify the charges. Not weak evidence.

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because the "victim" had a history of lying and lied under oath,

He's a freaking kid!!!!! Everyday he's hounded by psychotic weirdos chanting outside for a man they don't even know from a hole in the wall because they bought a couple albums. I will never understand people who would rather believe the human sideshow that is Michael Jackson over a child.

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because the "victim" and his family had a monetary vested interest in the conviction of MJ,

They gained nothing monetarily from Michael. A civil case is not more easily won because of a criminal conviction because the standard is completely different in the two trials (see the OJ Simpson case). And if anything, they now stand to gain less money than if they would've filed a civil suit in the beginning because Michael is already broke and he has mounting legal fees. Furthermore, the family turned down a financial settlement prior to the trial.

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because other prosecution witnesses had a history of lying.

Yes, everyone was lying except for poor wittle Michael. Poor wittle Michael who doesn't even normally speak in that fake ass "child voice" he so often uses on TV and sleeps with strange boys . Yeah, he's one you can trust.

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What sexual predators do or don't do is again irrelevant to this case.

No, it's not. They have a pattern, which MJ fits. This is one of the ways you identify them.

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What MJ did or didn't do in the 90's, the 80's, when he was a kid, is irrelevent. The judge made a judical error in allowing the tape to be admitted. Had MJ been convicted, it would have been grounds for appeal.

What kind of judicial error???

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If the trial were perfect, the only thing that would matter is the evidence presented and the veracity, the credibility of the witnesses.

Indeed. Instead you had a bunch of drooling fangirls with dollar signs in their eyes who let a child molester run free without even a cursory glance at any of the evidence in front of them. If the trial were perfect, MJ would be hunched over in a jail cell someone getting "Child Molester Treatment" from other inmates.

At issue and the only thing that should be germane to this verdict is the evidence, the witnesses, and the veracity of those witnesses. There was "reasonable doubt", ergo "not guilty".

The possibility that MJ committed an earlier crime and escaped prosecution with his checkbook, that he held a baby over a third-floor balcony, that he had his skin lightened, his nose bobbed, his hair straightened, his personality, his voice, his music, his fans, that criminals often walk, that he has distanced himself from the Afro-American Community, what his dog had for breakfast... all are irrelevant, prejudicial, and inadmissable. We may not like all of these things but none of it has anything to do with this specific case or his specific guilt.

That the primary witness for the proscecution was a kid, hounded by the press, hounded by "weirdos", hounded by his family, is also irrelevant. False testimony is not made acceptible because the witness is a child.

A civil case IS always more easily won under any circustances because the standards of proof are less stringent and in some states, only require a majority verdict.

MJ was convicted by the media and by our prejudicial attitudes towards him long before he ever stepped into the courtroom.

Every hackneyed journalist had an opinion, most of them unfavorable to MJ. Even now they condemn the jury and the verdict. And yet none of us was there; none of these people who are so ready to send him to prison listened to the day to day testimony, looked into the eyes of the witnesses, evaluated the behavior of the court. The white community convicted him because he's black; the black community convicted him because he doesn't want to be black. Neither of these factors has anything to do with this his guilt or innocence in this specific case.

Even after the verdict, everyone who wasn't there is second-guessing and condemming the verdict. In it's survey, the ubiquitous MSN reports that 58% of repondants believe the verdict was not fair. Fair? Since when did "fair" count in a courtroom or in the media?

But the survey in and of itself is an injustice because it contributes to the perception that MJ was guilty and that he walked. Yet how many of the respondants attended the trail? How many respondants were influenced by a biased media? And finally, how many African American families have access to the internet and were able to vote? And MSN has the self-serving hypocrisy to display in tiny letters "Not a scientifically valid survey". Please excuse us. We're not responsible for our shabby journalism.

And finally, MJ may well fit the pattern but that's all it is, a generality, a supposed image of behavior. It does not preclude his innocence.

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Originally posted by Frenchy:

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The evidence in this case was irrelevent in the decision to charge MJ; much of it was put together after the charges were filed.

This is incorrect. Much of what was presented was simple testimony that required nothing but an interview beforehand, which they did.

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"Evidence" is often not the centerpiece on which the outcome of a trial is based, much as it should be. American history is replete with examples of people convicted with little or no evidence.

It is also chock-full of people who are currently running the streets, guilty as sin, despite a mountain of evidence. This is the problem with juries.

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Only on "Law & Order" is hearsay evidence inadmissible. In a real courtroom and under the right circumstances, hearsay evidence is admitted far too often - a lame or overworked defence attorney, a judge asleep at the wheel, a judge prejudicial to a case. Again, history is replete with cases of people convicted on hearsay evidence.

This is not true. You simply cannot get on the stand and talk about what someone else told you someone else said. Everyone in the courtroom would have to be braindead and in a coma while that was going on. People are frequently convicted of circumstantial evidence, but not hearsay.

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There was absolutely nothing "standard" about this case, unless it was the fact that a black man was standing in the docket.

Please. Michael hasn't been Black for years. And I maintain this case was very standard. It is extraordinary difficult to prove a rape case and even more difficult to prove child molestation where penetration does not frequently occur, the child feels shame and is not forthcoming with information, adults have been grooming the victim into thinking certain actions are acceptable, etc. That is facts.

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It was a malicious prosecution because the evidence was oh so very weak,

Malicious prosecution is when there is no evidence. absolutely nothing to justify the charges. Not weak evidence.

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because the "victim" had a history of lying and lied under oath,

He's a freaking kid!!!!! Everyday he's hounded by psychotic weirdos chanting outside for a man they don't even know from a hole in the wall because they bought a couple albums. I will never understand people who would rather believe the human sideshow that is Michael Jackson over a child.

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because the "victim" and his family had a monetary vested interest in the conviction of MJ,

They gained nothing monetarily from Michael. A civil case is not more easily won because of a criminal conviction because the standard is completely different in the two trials (see the OJ Simpson case). And if anything, they now stand to gain less money than if they would've filed a civil suit in the beginning because Michael is already broke and he has mounting legal fees. Furthermore, the family turned down a financial settlement prior to the trial.

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because other prosecution witnesses had a history of lying.

Yes, everyone was lying except for poor wittle Michael. Poor wittle Michael who doesn't even normally speak in that fake ass "child voice" he so often uses on TV and sleeps with strange boys . Yeah, he's one you can trust.

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What sexual predators do or don't do is again irrelevant to this case.

No, it's not. They have a pattern, which MJ fits. This is one of the ways you identify them.

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What MJ did or didn't do in the 90's, the 80's, when he was a kid, is irrelevent. The judge made a judical error in allowing the tape to be admitted. Had MJ been convicted, it would have been grounds for appeal.

What kind of judicial error???

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If the trial were perfect, the only thing that would matter is the evidence presented and the veracity, the credibility of the witnesses.

Indeed. Instead you had a bunch of drooling fangirls with dollar signs in their eyes who let a child molester run free without even a cursory glance at any of the evidence in front of them. If the trial were perfect, MJ would be hunched over in a jail cell someone getting "Child Molester Treatment" from other inmates.

*you sure know allot not to have your azz there with the jury.....reasonable doubt gives a presumption of innocence.....not that guilt-by-accusation schit that american society postures itself to embrace whenever a rich black has a trial...........

I'm bad. I'm bad. You know it!

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The possibility that MJ committed an earlier crime and escaped prosecution with his checkbook, that he held a baby over a third-floor balcony, that he had his skin lightened, his nose bobbed, his hair straightened, his personality, his voice, his music, his fans, that criminals often walk, that he has distanced himself from the Afro-American Community, what his dog had for breakfast... all are irrelevant, prejudicial, and inadmissable.

What are you talking about? Those things were not admitted into evidence and those things don't comprise the complete reason why I believe the man is guilty as sin.

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That the primary witness for the proscecution was a kid, hounded by the press, hounded by "weirdos", hounded by his family, is also irrelevant. False testimony is not made acceptible because the witness is a child.

I was responding to your comment that the victim had a "history of lying." Everyone, save Jesus, has a "history of lying." That's a pretty ridiculous thing to lobby at a child.

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A civil case IS always more easily won under any circustances because the standards of proof are less stringent and in some states, only require a majority verdict.

Exactly! That's exactly what I said. You were the one who said the family had a motive in pursuing criminal charges because they had their eyes on a civil case. Your exact words were: "because the 'victim' and his family had a monetary vested interest in the conviction of MJ." They certainly didn't stand to gain any money from the criminal trial. Careful, you're starting to agree with me

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MJ was convicted by the media and by our prejudicial attitudes towards him long before he ever stepped into the courtroom.

Have you seen the Bashir documentary Michael particpated in where he expounded on his love of sleeping with little boys? Where he spoke while holding the victim in an embrace? Have you seen the Smoking Gun documents regarding the police evidence in the first molestation case? Have you seen this man repeatedly make appareance surrounded by a gaggle of young boys? I think it's a far stretch to say that people are just being prejudicial. It is a reasonable conclusion that he would be seen as a child molestor.

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Every hackneyed journalist had an opinion, most of them unfavorable to MJ. Even now they condemn the jury and the verdict. And yet none of us was there; none of these people who are so ready to send him to prison listened to the day to day testimony, looked into the eyes of the witnesses, evaluated the behavior of the court.

There were journalists inside the courtoom who gave commentary at the end of each day's proceedings. E! also received transcripts and put together a literal re-enactment of the day's events. Fox News' Roger Friedman had a source within the Jackson camp and wrote very in-depth articles (in SUPPORT of Jackson, I might add) about what was going on behind-the-scenes and in court. I kept myself very aware of what was happening and that is how I formulated my opinions. I know that I am not the only ordinary citizen to do so. I'd imagine that most journalists covering the story would've done the same at a minimum.

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The white community convicted him because he's black; the black community convicted him because he doesn't want to be black. Neither of these factors has anything to do with this his guilt or innocence in this specific case.

Again, I think you're subscribing people's personal opinions about whether they like Michael Jackson to how they feel about the verdict. I think he's a freak who hates himself, but I'm certainly not stupid enough to want to convict someone based on that alone. There are plenty of reasons why people can think Jackson is guilty or innocent that have nothing to do with what they think of him as a person or an entertainer.

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Even after the verdict, everyone who wasn't there is second-guessing and condemming the verdict. In it's survey, the ubiquitous MSN reports that 58% of repondants believe the verdict was not fair. Fair? Since when did "fair" count in a courtroom or in the media?But the survey in and of itself is an injustice because it contributes to the perception that MJ was guilty and that he walked. Yet how many of the respondants attended the trail? How many respondants were influenced by a biased media? And finally, how many African American families have access to the internet and were able to vote? And MSN has the self-serving hypocrisy to display in tiny letters "Not a scientifically valid survey". Please excuse us. We're not responsible for our shabby journalism.

What is your gripe? That people aren't dancing in the streets because Jackson is free?? Who cares if most people are unhappy with the verdict? It had no bearing in the courtroom. They run these polls after everything under the sun. They are quick internet polls. The results are not trotted out before Congress or taken into account when lawmakers are mulling over new legislation. They are a reflection of what the MSN internet audience thinks. They had a similar one after Robert Blake was found Not Guilty (and people again did not agree with that verdict).

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And finally, MJ may well fit the pattern but that's all it is, a generality, a supposed image of behavior. It does not preclude his innocence.

I agree with you here, chilewillow. No, it does not preclude his innocence. But it is one more piece of information I've used in formulating my views. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, chances are...

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*you sure know allot not to have your azz there with the jury

Is that supposed to be some kind of smartass diss because I am well-informed? Please! It's called The News. Look into it.

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.....reasonable doubt gives a presumption of innocence.....not that guilt-by-accusation schit that american society postures itself to embrace whenever a rich black has a trial...........

It has nothing to do with Black. It's all about Rich. People are dazzled and frazzled by money and those who seemingly have it.

"Reasonable doubt gives a presumption of innocence" even when the accused is a duck.

Any black man brought to trial better be prepared to prove he didn't do it because the presumption of innocence is often absent. And in afluent Santa Barbara County where MJ is an embarrassment, it has much to do with "color", skin tone not withstanding.

There were political and monetary motivation behind his indictment. That MJ was indicted on such weak evidence presented by liable witnesses is a national shame.

MJ may be odd and we don't like him because he doesn't like who he is. But that still doesn't equal guilt, despite Rubert Murdoch and FOX Network News analysis.

That he had the courage to stand trail in Santa Barbara County is to his credit. The only redeeming quality about this whole event is that the jury did the right thing. And shame on the rest of us for not seeing it the way they did.

...although Michael Jackson was acquitted, in the eyes of the masses he is still considered a child molester.

.....One or more of the jurists even stated this. The only reason that Michael Jackson was acquitted is the lack of credibility on the part of the prosecution. In several other documented incidents, Michael Jackson has paid the tune of millions, to several individuals, as "hush money" in an out of court settlement, rather than face criminal indictment for his actions.

This is not the MO of any truly innocent individual, especially anyone of Michael Jackson's clout, who would have the resources to rebutt such a claim over paying over twenty million dollars in damages.

Although he was acquitted of being a child molester, in this most recent trial, the majority of people have still branded Michael Jackson as being a child molester and rightfully so.

The question being ask by many individuals, and the Media, on the West Coast, is, "Now that Michael Jackson has been acquitted, will Michael Jackson continue his old habit of molesting and/or sleeping with young boys?"

....It is going to be next to impossible, if not impossible, for Michael Jackson to change the hearts and minds of many individuals, one being me, that Michael Jackson is not a child molester.

Although he escaped conviction, Michael Jackson remains a child molester. Once any individual is deemed as being a child molester, the responsible residents of any community will go to any length to remove such an individual from their community. This would be especially true in any affluent community, composed of parents, and their children.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

so Lofton....if he is a child molester why don't you speak out against the parents who were willing to let their kids get molested to get MJ's money? What do you think of those money grubbing white folks who did not even take their kids to get a medical exam before the got a lawyer or waited until they thought it was the right time to present their accusation?

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Originally posted by chilewillow:
"Reasonable doubt gives a presumption of innocence" even when the accused is a duck.

Any black man brought to trial better be prepared to prove he didn't do it because the presumption of innocence is often absent. And in afluent Santa Barbara County where MJ is an embarrassment, it has much to do with "color", skin tone not withstanding.

There were political and monetary motivation behind his indictment. That MJ was indicted on such weak evidence presented by liable witnesses is a national shame.

MJ may be odd and we don't like him because he doesn't like who he is. But that still doesn't equal guilt, despite Rubert Murdoch and FOX Network News analysis.

That he had the courage to stand trail in Santa Barbara County is to his credit. The only redeeming quality about this whole event is that the jury did the right thing. And shame on the rest of us for not seeing it the way they did.

I am glad you are te voice of reason....do not pay attention to that negro below..he hates everything black, is probably white because he even swears the civil rights movement and Dr King's efforts did not benefit him.....and that is just plain stupid to say....if the negro is past 45, he remebers segregation....but the way he subordinates to whites....he probably longs for those days again......

"I am glad you are te voice of reason....do not pay attention to that negro below..he hates everything black, is probably white because he even swears the civil rights movement and Dr King's efforts did not benefit him.....and that is just plain stupid to say....if the negro is past 45, he remebers segregation....but the way he subordinates to whites....he probably longs for those days again......" by Kevin41

....again I pick and choose my own heroes, not you!

Michael Jackson, the child molester, did not associate with Black people, or even think about spending his millions in any Black community, when he was riding high.

If it were not for Michael Jackson being faced with criminal indictment, for yet one more child molestation criminal indictment, Michael Jackson would not have had even the slightest interest in any thought of having any connection to the Black community.

.....and Michael Jackson is definitely not in the running for being one of the truly oppressed of Black America.

......now as for loving the ground that Caucasians walk on, there is not a better living specimen, the specimen being wishing he could be something that he will never be Caucasian wanna be Michael Jackson.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Frenchy:

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*you sure know allot not to have your azz there with the jury

Is that supposed to be some kind of smartass diss because I am well-informed? Please! It's called The News. Look into it.

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.....reasonable doubt gives a presumption of innocence.....not that guilt-by-accusation schit that american society postures itself to embrace whenever a rich black has a trial...........

It has nothing to do with Black. It's all about Rich. People are dazzled and frazzled by money and those who seemingly have it.

Race has everything to do with it....look at the difference between the way Robert Blake and OJ were handled....because of the interracial thing....and if you want to talk about money not being the issue....look at the brother whose truck was shot 120 times for backing out....and a white man, with a gun was shot once in the shoulder.....but if I have to explain the significance of race in america, then I guess history means nothing....but now I know why black people tend to not give a f-k what others think....because black people, particularly the poor are never given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to justice.....an accusation is just like an indictment......the jury said it was flaky...and some of you STILL swear the man molested the boys..i see it as just another case of some parasitic poor whites trying to milk a black person, just like kobe and just like the oj civil trial....but i'm kool....as a progressive black man.......I can tell how people have tried to view me....and I come from a squeaky clean family, never been a part of te system and always overacheived...it has never meant shit outside of my close circle and when it is time to get paid....we are never evaluated fairly and I expect it to always be as such....that is why black people who give a schit about what others think...particularly racist whites and self-hating negroes....have some adequacy issues of their own........but i'm kool...i'l just stay separate and apart.......

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Originally posted by Michael:


Michael Jackson, the child molester, did not associate with Black people, or even think about spending his millions in any Black community, when he was riding high.


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

**Once again..get your facts straight......you never know what the f-k you are talking about..Mike has given plenty of money to black causes and has expressed himself as being a black man many times...no matter what the f-k jealous azz people say in circles......read below and see why like dymally and emmitt till and many other things....you have no credibility and therefore are never taken serious...it is too easy to prove that you say shit you cannot substantiate.......


Charitable Contributions

January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.

April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibrosis is invited to Michael's home. It was David's last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.

April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.

July 5, 1984: During the Jackson's press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.

July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.

December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.

January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record "We Are The World", written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa.

1986: Michael set up the "Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund". This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.

February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael.

September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists.

October 1987: At the end of his Bad Tour, Michael donates some personal items to the UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds will be for the education of children in developing countries.

February 1, 1988: The Song "Man In the Mirror" enters the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record goes to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from cancer.

March 1, 1988: At a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presents a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund.

April 1988: Free tickets are given away for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the Make A Wish Foundation.

May 22, 1988: Michael visits children who suffer from cancer in the Bambini-Gesu Children's Hospital in Rome. He signs autographs and gives away sweets and records to the little patients. He promises a check of 100,000 pounds to the hospital.

July 16, 1988: Before a concert at Wembley Stadium Michael meets the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana. He hands over a check of 150,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children's hospital at Great Ormond Street.

July 20, 1988: Michael visits terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stays a little bit longer and tells a story.

August 29, 1988: At his 30th birthday Michael performs a concert in Leeds, England for the English charity-organization "Give For Life". The goal of this organization is the immunization of children. Michael presents a check for 65,000 pounds.

December 1988: Michael visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg. His father had 5 years earlier burned him very badly in an act of revenge against his former wife.

January 1989: The proceeds of one of Michael's shows in Los Angeles are donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity-organization against child-abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California is founding the "Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse".

January 10, 1989: The Bad Tour comes to an end. Under-privileged children are donated tickets for each concert and Michael donates money to hospitals, orphanages and charity-organizations.

February 7, 1989: Michael visits the Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California. Some weeks earlier a 25-year-old man had fired at the school's playground. 5 children had been killed and 39 had been wounded.

March 5, 1989: Michael invites 200 deprived children of the St. Vincent Institute for handicapped children and of the organization Big Brothers and Big Sisters to the Circus Vargas in Santa Barbara. After this event he invites them to his ranch to introduce his private zoo at his Neverland Ranch to them.

November 13, 1989: The organization "Wishes Granted" helps 4-year-old Darian Pagan, who suffers from leukemia to meet Michael. Michael invites the little boy to a performance of Canadian acrobats.

December 28, 1989: Young Ryan White, who suffers from hemophilia, spends his holidays on Michael's ranch. Ryan had been infected with AIDS by contaminated blood transfusions in 1984. After he was excluded from his school in Kokomo, Ryan fought against the discrimination of AIDS victims.

January 6, 1990: Michael invites 82 abused and neglected children through Childhelp to his Neverland Ranch. There are games, a Barbeque and a movie show provided for them.

July 1990: 45 children from the Project Dream Street, Los Angeles, for children with life-threatening illness are invited to Neverland Valley.

August 18, 1990: Michael invites 130 children of the YMCA summer program of Los Angeles and Santa Barbara to his Neverland Ranch.

May 6, 1991: Michael is invited to the Jane Goodall Charity event. Michael supports her, an advocate of behavioral research concerning chimpanzees in Gombe, Nigeria for more than 30 years.

July 26, 1991: Michael pays a visit to the Youth Sports & Art Foundation in Los Angeles. This Foundation supports families of gang members, and helps dealing with drug-abuse. Michael talks to the kids and presents them with a wide-screen TV set and a financial gift.

December 1991: Michael's office MJJ Productions treats needy families in Los Angeles with more than 200 turkey dinners.

February 1992: Within 11 days Michael covers 30,000 miles in Africa, to visit hospitals, orphanages, schools, churches, and institutions for mentally handicapped children.

February 3, 1992: At a press conference at the New York Radio City Music Hall, Michael announces that he is planning a new world tour, to raise funds for his new "Heal The World" Foundation. This Foundation will support the fight against AIDS, Juvenile Diabetes and will support the Camp Ronald McDonald and the Make A Wish Foundation.

May 6, 1992: Michael defrays the funeral-expenses for Ramon Sanchez, who was killed during the Los Angeles riots.

June 23, 1992: At a press conference in London, Michael makes an announcement about his Heal The World Foundation.

June 26, 1992: Michael presents the Mayor of Munich, Mr. Kronawitter, with a 40,000 DM-check for the needy people of the city.

June 29, 1992: Michael visits the Sophia Children's Hospital in Rotterdam and presents a check for 100,000 pounds.

July 1992: Michael donated L. 821,477,296 to La Partita del Cuore (The Heart Match) in Rome and donated 120,000 DM to children's charities in Estonia and Latvia.

July 25, 1992: On the occasion of a concert in Dublin, Ireland, Michael announces that he will give 400,000 pounds of the tour earnings to various charities.

July 29, 1992: Michael visits the Queen Elizabeth Children's Hospital in London. To the surprise the children, he brings Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse from Euro-Disney to the hospital.

July 31, 1992: On the Eve of his second concert at Wembley Stadium, Michael presents Prince Charles with a check of 200,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust.

August 16, 1992: 6 year old Nicholas Killen, who lost his eyesight caused by a life aiding cancer surgery, meets Michael backstage in Leeds, England.

September 1992: Michael donated 1 million pesetas to charity headed by the Queen of Spain.

September 30, 1992: President Iliescu of Romania inaugurates a playground for 500 orphans which Michael has financed. Michael discusses his Heal The World Foundation.

October 1, 1992: Michael chooses a concert in Bucharest, Romania for worldwide television broadcast. Bucharest is a logical choice due to the numerous orphanages the country is known for.

November 24, 1992: At Kennedy Airport in New York, Michael supervises the loading of 43 tons of medication, blankets, and winter clothes destined for Sarajevo. The Heal The World Foundation collaborates with AmeriCares to bring resources totaling $2.1 million to Sarajevo. They will be allocated under the supervision of the United Nations.

December 10, 1992: During a press conference at the American Ambassy in Tokyo Michael is presented with a check for $100,000 for the Heal The World Foundation by Tour Sponsor Pepsi.

December 26, 1992: During a broadcast request for donations to the United Negro College Fund, Michael declares: "Black Colleges and Universities are breeding some of the leading personalities of our time. They are on top in business, justice, science and technologies, politics and religion. I am proud, that the Michael Jackson Scholarship Program enabled more than 200 young men and women to get a qualified education."

January 19, 1993: Michael is one of the stars to perform at the Presidential Inauguration of Bill Clinton. Before he sings "Gone Too Soon" he draws the attention to the plights of the victims of AIDS and mentions his friend Ryan White.

January 26, 1993: At a press conference held at Century Plaza Hotel in Century City, Los Angeles, Michael is presented with a $200,000 donation from the National Football League and the Sponsors of the Super Bowl. He gets another $500,000 from the BEST Foundation for his Heal The World Foundation. At this occasion the foundation of "Heal L.A." is officially announced.

February 1993: In association with Sega, launched an initiative to distribute more than $108,000 of computer games and equipment to children's hospitals, children's homes, and children's charities throughout the U.K.

March 1993: The foundation of an independent film company is announced. They will produce family-oriented movies. A part of the earnings will go to the Heal The World Foundation.

March 27, 1993: At a meeting at Century Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles, Michael gives a 5-minute speech to 1200 teachers and politicians.

April 26, 1993: Within his "Heal LA" tour, Michael visits the Watta Health Foundation, and two schools in Los Angeles South Central.

May 5, 1993: Former President Jimmy Carter and Michael, who are chairmen of the "Heal Our Children/Heal The World" initiative, are in Atlanta to promote their "Atlanta Project Immunization Drive".

June 1993: Michael has announced that he will donate $1.25 million for children who have suffered from the riots in Los Angeles.

June 1993: 100 children from the Challengers Boys and Girls Club visit Neverland.

June 10, 1993: Michael promotes the new DARE-program. The purpose of the program is to inform children about the dangers of drug abuse.

June 18, 1993: Michael pays a visit to a hospital in Washington. He spends several hours with the young patients and plays chess with some of them.

August 1993: With Pepsi-Cola Thailand, donated $40,000 to Crown Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn's charity, the Rural School Children and Youth Development Fund, in support of school lunch programs in rural villages in Thailand.

August 1993: In conjunction with Pepsi-Cola International, donated new ambulances to the Contacts One Independent Living Center for Children in Moscow, Russia and the Hospital de Ninos Dr. Ricardo Gutierrez in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

October 1993: Donated $100,000 to the Children's Defense Fund, the Children's Diabetes Foundation, the Atlanta Project, and the Boys and Girl Clubs of Newark, New Jersey.

October 22, 1993: Michael visits a hospital in Santiago.

October 28, 1993: Michael makes it possible for 5000 underprivileged children to visit the Reino Aventura Park, where the whale Keiko ("Free Willy") is living.

November 5, 1993: Michael is guest at a children's party at the Hard Rock Cafe in Mexico City.

December 1993: With the Gorbachev Foundation, airlifted 60,000 doses of children's vaccines to Tblisi, Georgia.

December 16, 1993: The Heal The World Foundation UK supports "Operation Christmas Child" delivering toys, sweets, gifts and food to children in former Yugoslavia.

1994: Michael donates $500,000 to Elizabeth Taylor's AIDS Foundation.

January 7, 1994: On the weekend of Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, Michael gives a party for more than 100 underprivileged children at his Neverland Ranch.

February 22, 1994: "The Jackson Family Honors" is televised. The earnings of the show are given to their own newly formed charity, "Family Caring for Families".

August 6, 1994: Michael and his wife Lisa Marie are visiting two children's hospitals in Budapest. They distribute toys to the ill children.

1995: Michael wants to free dolphins who have been locked up for years. He believes there should be legal guidelines about the way dolphins have to live in zoos and parks.

March 1995: Little Bela Farkas received a new liver. Michael and Lisa Marie met this 4-year-old boy during their trip to Hungary in 1994. Michael did everything to help Bela, whose only chance to live was getting a new liver. The Heal The World Foundation covered the surgery and the cost for caring.

June 21, 1996: Michael donated a four-times platinum disc of "HIStory" in aid of the Dunblane appeal at the Royal Oak Hotel, Sevenoaks in England.

July 18, 1996: In Soweto, South Africa Michael is laying down a wreath of flowers for youngsters who have been killed during the fights involving Apartheid.

September 1996: The first Sports Festival "Hope" was held for orphans and disadvantaged children. 3000 children and 600 volunteers took part in the Sports Festival and Michael Jackson was a special guest.

September 6, 1996: Michael visits the children's unit of a hospital in Prague.

October 1996: Michael visited a hospital for mentally challenged children in Kaoshiung, Taiwan and offered 2,000 free tickets to the sold out performance in Kaoshiung.

October 1, 1996: Michael donated the proceeds of his Tunisia concert to "The National Solidarity Fund", a charity dedicated to fighting poverty.

October 3, 1996: Michael visits a children's hospital and brings small gifts for the patients during a HIStory tour visit in Amsterdam. A room in the hospital (for parents who want to be with their children) is named after Michael.

November 1, 1996: Michael donates most of the earnings from a HIStory concert in Bombay, India to the poor people of the country.

November 7, 1996: Before his first concert in Auckland, New Zealand, Michael fulfills the wish of little Emely Smith, who is suffering from cancer, who wants to meet Michael.

November 25, 1996: Michael visited the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne, delivering toys, signing autographs, and visiting with children.

December 9, 1996: During a HIStory tour visit in Manila, Michael visits a children's hospital. He announces that a part of his concert earnings will be donated to the renovation of the hospital.

January 25, 1997: Michael waved his personal fee for his Bombay appearance and donated $1.1 million to a local charity helping to educate children living in slums.

April 4, 1997: British magazine "OK!" is publishing exclusive photos of Michael's son Prince. The magazine pays about 1 million pounds for the photos. Michael donates the money to charity.

June 18, 1997: Michael signed the "Children in Need" book auctioned by the charity UNESCO.

September 1998: Michael meets 5 year old Aza Woods, who suffers from cancer, at the Hilton Hotel in Las Vegas. Michael introduces Aza to the attraction "Star Trek: The Experience" and spends the rest of the afternoon with the little boy. Finally Michael invites Aza to spend some time with him at his Neverland Ranch.

November 16, 1998: Michael arrives in Harare, Zimbabwe. He is a member of the American Delegation invited by the Minister of Defense. The delegation thanks the government of Zimbabwe for helping to keep the peace in this area.

September 4, 1999: Michael presented Nelson Mandela with a check for 1,000,000 South African rand for the "Nelson Mandela Children's Fund."

January 22, 2000: During Christmas last year a violent storm ravaged the park of the Chateau de Versailles and destroyed 10,000 trees in the park. The estimated cost for rebuilding the park is around $20 million. Some celebrities are supporting the restoration of the park. French officials are reporting that Michael Jackson is one of them. He was one of the first people to donate money to this cause.

October 28, 2000:Michael painted a plate to be auctioned for the "Carousel of Hope Ball" benefiting childhood diabetes research.

March 6, 2001: Michael donated a black hat, a birthday phone-call and a jacket worn at the Monaco Music Awards in 2000 to the Movie Action for Children auction, an event being given by UNICEF with all proceeds will going to UNICEF's efforts to prevent mother-to-child HIV transmission in Africa.

March 26, 2001: Michael handed out books to young people at a Newark, NJ theater. The event, which helped to launch the Michael Jackson International Book Club, part of his new Heal the Kids charity, aims to promote childhood reading and encourage parents to return to reading bedtime stories.

September 15, 2002: Michael donated 16 exclusively autographed items consisting of CD's, videos and 2 cotton napkins to aid in the support of the victims of a severe flood in Germany. These items were auctioned off for charity and managed to raise 3935 Euro (US$ 3,814).

October 12, 2002: Michael Jackson invited more than 200 Team Vandenberg members, who recently returned from overseas deployments, and their families to his Neverland Ranch. This was to show his appreciation for the sacrifices the military in his community make.

November 19-29, 2002: Michael donated an autographed teddy bear dressed in his likeness to Siegfried & Roy's celebrity teddy bear auction. This auction benefits Opportunity Village which is a non-profit organization based in Las Vegas (USA) that enhances the lives of individuals with intellectual disabilities and their families. Michael's autographed teddy bear raised $5,000 for the charity.

November 21, 2002: Michael donated a jacket to the The Bambi Charity Event in Berlin which raised $16,000.

April 25, 2002: Michael Jackson performed at a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee at the Apollo Theater in Harlem helping to raise nearly $3 million dollars towards voter registration.

June 2003: The Wolf family, who experienced serious damages to their belongings during the flood in Saxony, Germany last August, was invited to Berlin by Michael Jackson when he was at the Bambi Awards. On that occasion Michael invited them to Neverland. In June, they spent three days at Neverland, meeting Michael and his children.


Charity Awards

May 14, 1984: At a ceremony in the White House President Reagan presents Michael an award for special efforts; he is honored for his participation in a national ad campaign against drunk driving.

January 1989: The "Say Yes To A Youngsters Future" program honors Michael in recognition of his efforts to encourage children to natural sciences and award him with the "National Urban Coalition Artist/Humanitarian Of The Year Award".

March 1989: At the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California, Michael receives the Black Radio Special Award for his humanitarian efforts.

September 22, 1989: The Capital Children's Museum awards Michael with the Best Of Washington 1989 Humanitarian Award in recognition of his efforts to raise money for the museum, and for his never-ending support of children.

February 3, 1990: From Japan Michael receives a Role Model Award.

April 5, 1990: During a ceremony, where Michael is awarded as "Entertainer Of The Decade", Michael meets President George Bush, who honors him with the "Point Of Light" award. Michael receives this award for his philanthropic activities. President Bush explains Michael's humanitarian commitments to the press.

September 14, 1990: The Council of the American Scouts honors Michael with the first "Good Scout Humanitarian Award". Michael receives this award for his humanitarian activities by supporting the Make A Wish Foundation, the Prince's Trust, the United Negro College Fund and Childhelp USA.

October 23, 1990: Michael Jackson and Elton John will be the first recipients of the award in memory of Ryan White, which will be handed over in 1991.

May 1, 1992: President George Bush presents Michael with the "Point of Light" award for his continuing support of deprived children. During his stay, Michael visits little Raynal Pope, who had been injured very badly by dogs.

June 3, 1992: The organization "One To One", who is caring for better living conditions of young people, honors Michael with an award for his commitment to deprived youngsters.

July 1993: The American Friends of Hebrew University honors Michael with the Scopus Award 1993.

August 1993: The Jack The Rapper Awards are presented and Michael is honored with the "Our Children, Our Hope Of Tomorrow" award.

November 17, 1993: Michael rejects the Scopus Award. He was nominated for this award, which was planned to be given him on January 29th, 1994.

April 12, 1994: On occasion of the 2nd Children's Choice Award ceremony at Cit Center in New York, Michael is presented with the "Caring For Kids" award. This award is to honor celebrities, who take time for young people. 100,000 children and young people from 8 to 18 years old gave Michael their vote of confidence. The Children's Choice Awards are sponsored by Body Sculpt, a charity organization, that offers drug-prevention programs for young people.

November 2, 1995: Michael receives the award "Diamont of Africa".

March, 30, 1996: The Ark Trust-Foundation, who wants to draw the attention of the public eye on animal's problems, presents the 10th Genesis Award. Michael is presented with the 1995 Doris Day Award. He gets this award for the "Earth Song" video, which draws attention to the plight of the animals.

May 1, 1999: At the Bollywood awards in New York, Michael is presented with an award for his humanitarian activities. The award is signed: "Though he comes from the young American tradition, Michael is the embodiment of an old indian soul. His actions are an expression of the philosophy of Weda, which asked to work for the people - not for one's own interests."

April 1, 2004: At the Ethiopian Embassy in Washington, D.C., Michael was presented with a humanitarian award by the African Ambassadors' Spouses Association in honor of his work fighting AIDS in Africa.

Organizations

The Millennium-Issue of the "Guinness Book Of Records" names Michael as the Pop Star who supports the most charity organizations. The following projects are supported by Michael Jackson:

AIDS Project L.A.
American Cancer Society
Angel Food
Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles
BMI Foundation
Brotherhood Crusade
Brothman Burn Center
Camp Ronald McDonald
Childhelp U.S.A.
Children's Institute International
Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund
Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation
Congressional Black Caucus
Dakar Foundation
Dreamstreet Kids
Dreams Come True Charity
Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation
Heal The World Foundation
Juvenile Diabetes Foundation
Love Match
Make A Wish Foundation
Minority Aids Project
Motown Museum
NAACP
National Rainbow Coalition
Rotary Club of Australia
Society of Singers
Starlight Foundation
The Carter Center's Atlanta Project
The Sickle Cell Research Foundation
Transafrica
United Negro College Fund
United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope
Volunteers of America
Watts Summer Festival
Wish Granting
YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw

Now imagine how you sound.......

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
Now imagine how you sound.......

....same response,

The masses of Black people live in the inner-city, and very little of Michael's assets even touched the lives of Black inner-city residents.

Furthermore, more times than not, his charitable donations have been used to promote Caucasian causes and not Black people.

Michael Jackson, the child molester, did not associate with Black people, or even think about spending his millions in any Black community, when he was riding high.

Shaq O'neil is one of few, if any, of our Black celebrities, who has actually invested his earnings in the "Hood" to:

A. Create jobs for Black people who reside in the inner-city.

B. Improve the quality of life of Black inner-city residents.

C. be used as a source of revenue to finance business opportunities of all forms in the inner-city.

Michael Jackson's millions have yet to be used for either purpose A, B and/or C, thus the above diatribe as shared by Kevin41, is a myth, because very little of Michael Jackson's millions have touched the lives of truly oppressed Black people, the Black disadvantaged, the Black indigent, the Black homeless, the Black family structure, and/or the many Black university educated and Black working class who seek just one gainful employment to keep from using criminal activity to exist, etc., etc.

If it were not for Michael Jackson being faced with criminal indictment, for yet one more child molestation criminal indictment, Michael Jackson would not have had even the slightest interest in any thought of having any connection to the Black community.

.....and Michael Jackson is definitely not in the running for being one of the truly oppressed of Black America.

......now as for loving the ground that Caucasians walk on, there is not a better living specimen, the specimen being wishing he could be something that he will never be Caucasian wanna be Michael Jackson.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Race has everything to do with it....look at the difference between the way Robert Blake and OJ were handled....because of the interracial thing....

They were both acquitted! And both of their public images suffered! What are you talking about?!?! Public opinion is one thing. But we are discussing what happens in the trial, what influences verdicts. "Not that guilt-by-accusation schit that american society postures itself to embrace whenever a rich black has a trial." That is where I mentioned that race has nothing to do with these verdicts when there is someone rich.

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and if you want to talk about money not being the issue

Brotha, are you even reading my posts?? I'm the one who said money was the central issue.

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but if I have to explain the significance of race in america, then I guess history means nothing....

Race is certainly significant, but being rich will 9 times out of 10 trump everything else. How many times have you heard the phrase "Oh he's not reallyBlack, he's just Will Smith/Michael Jordan/whoever?" You cannot possibly think people immediately think Black man when they think Michael Jackson. He is right in the aforementioned category, even before his face matched that thinking.

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because black people, particularly the poor are never given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to justice.....

That is the flip side of exactly what I said previously. If the rich get off, the poor obviously go down in flames.

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
so Lofton....if he is a child molester why don't you speak out against the parents who were willing to let their kids get molested to get MJ's money? What do you think of those money grubbing white folks who did not even take their kids to get a medical exam before the got a lawyer or waited until they thought it was the right time to present their accusation?

This sounds bad, but if a parent is going to allow there kids to go to a mans house who was charged with molesting kids in the past, that parent should loose custody of that child. Lets think about this. Would you let your child go to a persons home who was charged with molesting children. It doesn't really matter if the charges were dropped neither...

Wow, Kevin41, I never knew MJ did all those charities.

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Originally posted by Kevin41:

Charitable Contributions

January 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.

April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibrosis is invited to Michael's home. It was David's last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.

April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.

July 5, 1984: During the Jackson's press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.

July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.

December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.

January 28, 1985: Michael and 44 other artists meet to record "We Are The World", written by Michael and Lionel Ritchie. The proceeds of this record are donated to the starving people in Africa.

1986: Michael set up the "Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund". This $1.5 million fund is aimed towards students majoring in performance art and communications, with money given each year to students attending a UNCF member college or university.

February 28, 1986: After having had a heart-transplant, 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California gets a call from Michael Jackson. He had heard that she is a big fan of his. Michael invites her to his home as soon as she is feeling better. This visit takes place on March 8th. Donna stays for dinner and watches a movie together with Michael.

September 13, 1987: Michael supports a campaign against racism. He supports efforts of the NAACP, to fight prejudices against black artists.

October 1987: At the end of his Bad Tour, Michael donates some personal items to the UNESCO for a charitable auction. The proceeds will be for the education of children in developing countries.

February 1, 1988: The Song "Man In the Mirror" enters the charts. The proceeds from the sales of this record goes to Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times, a camp for children who suffer from cancer.

March 1, 1988: At a press conference held by his sponsor Pepsi, Michael presents a $600,000 check to the United Negro College Fund.

April 1988: Free tickets are given away for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the Make A Wish Foundation.

May 22, 1988: Michael visits children who suffer from cancer in the Bambini-Gesu Children's Hospital in Rome. He signs autographs and gives away sweets and records to the little patients. He promises a check of 100,000 pounds to the hospital.

July 16, 1988: Before a concert at Wembley Stadium Michael meets the Prince of Wales and his wife Diana. He hands over a check of 150,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust, and a check of 100,000 pounds for the children's hospital at Great Ormond Street.

July 20, 1988: Michael visits terminally ill children at Great Ormond Street Hospital. At a unit for less critical patients he stays a little bit longer and tells a story.

August 29, 1988: At his 30th birthday Michael performs a concert in Leeds, England for the English charity-organization "Give For Life". The goal of this organization is the immunization of children. Michael presents a check for 65,000 pounds.

December 1988: Michael visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg. His father had 5 years earlier burned him very badly in an act of revenge against his former wife.

January 1989: The proceeds of one of Michael's shows in Los Angeles are donated to Childhelp USA, the biggest charity-organization against child-abuse. In appreciation of the contributions of Michael, Childhelp of Southern California is founding the "Michael Jackson International Institute for Research On Child Abuse".

January 10, 1989: The Bad Tour comes to an end. Under-privileged children are donated tickets for each concert and Michael donates money to hospitals, orphanages and charity-organizations.

February 7, 1989: Michael visits the Cleveland Elementary School in Stockton, California. Some weeks earlier a 25-year-old man had fired at the school's playground. 5 children had been killed and 39 had been wounded.

March 5, 1989: Michael invites 200 deprived children of the St. Vincent Institute for handicapped children and of the organization Big Brothers and Big Sisters to the Circus Vargas in Santa Barbara. After this event he invites them to his ranch to introduce his private zoo at his Neverland Ranch to them.

November 13, 1989: The organization "Wishes Granted" helps 4-year-old Darian Pagan, who suffers from leukemia to meet Michael. Michael invites the little boy to a performance of Canadian acrobats.

December 28, 1989: Young Ryan White, who suffers from hemophilia, spends his holidays on Michael's ranch. Ryan had been infected with AIDS by contaminated blood transfusions in 1984. After he was excluded from his school in Kokomo, Ryan fought against the discrimination of AIDS victims.

January 6, 1990: Michael invites 82 abused and neglected children through Childhelp to his Neverland Ranch. There are games, a Barbeque and a movie show provided for them.

July 1990: 45 children from the Project Dream Street, Los Angeles, for children with life-threatening illness are invited to Neverland Valley.

August 18, 1990: Michael invites 130 children of the YMCA summer program of Los Angeles and Santa Barbara to his Neverland Ranch.

May 6, 1991: Michael is invited to the Jane Goodall Charity event. Michael supports her, an advocate of behavioral research concerning chimpanzees in Gombe, Nigeria for more than 30 years.

July 26, 1991: Michael pays a visit to the Youth Sports & Art Foundation in Los Angeles. This Foundation supports families of gang members, and helps dealing with drug-abuse. Michael talks to the kids and presents them with a wide-screen TV set and a financial gift.

December 1991: Michael's office MJJ Productions treats needy families in Los Angeles with more than 200 turkey dinners.

February 1992: Within 11 days Michael covers 30,000 miles in Africa, to visit hospitals, orphanages, schools, churches, and institutions for mentally handicapped children.

February 3, 1992: At a press conference at the New York Radio City Music Hall, Michael announces that he is planning a new world tour, to raise funds for his new "Heal The World" Foundation. This Foundation will support the fight against AIDS, Juvenile Diabetes and will support the Camp Ronald McDonald and the Make A Wish Foundation.

May 6, 1992: Michael defrays the funeral-expenses for Ramon Sanchez, who was killed during the Los Angeles riots.

June 23, 1992: At a press conference in London, Michael makes an announcement about his Heal The World Foundation.

June 26, 1992: Michael presents the Mayor of Munich, Mr. Kronawitter, with a 40,000 DM-check for the needy people of the city.

June 29, 1992: Michael visits the Sophia Children's Hospital in Rotterdam and presents a check for 100,000 pounds.

July 1992: Michael donated L. 821,477,296 to La Partita del Cuore (The Heart Match) in Rome and donated 120,000 DM to children's charities in Estonia and Latvia.

July 25, 1992: On the occasion of a concert in Dublin, Ireland, Michael announces that he will give 400,000 pounds of the tour earnings to various charities.

July 29, 1992: Michael visits the Queen Elizabeth Children's Hospital in London. To the surprise the children, he brings Mickey Mouse and Minnie Mouse from Euro-Disney to the hospital.

July 31, 1992: On the Eve of his second concert at Wembley Stadium, Michael presents Prince Charles with a check of 200,000 pounds for the Prince's Trust.

August 16, 1992: 6 year old Nicholas Killen, who lost his eyesight caused by a life aiding cancer surgery, meets Michael backstage in Leeds, England.

September 1992: Michael donated 1 million pesetas to charity headed by the Queen of Spain.

September 30, 1992: President Iliescu of Romania inaugurates a playground for 500 orphans which Michael has financed. Michael discusses his Heal The World Foundation.

October 1, 1992: Michael chooses a concert in Bucharest, Romania for worldwide television broadcast. Bucharest is a logical choice due to the numerous orphanages the country is known for.

November 24, 1992: At Kennedy Airport in New York, Michael supervises the loading of 43 tons of medication, blankets, and winter clothes destined for Sarajevo. The Heal The World Foundation collaborates with AmeriCares to bring resources totaling $2.1 million to Sarajevo. They will be allocated under the supervision of the United Nations.

December 10, 1992: During a press conference at the American Ambassy in Tokyo Michael is presented with a check for $100,000 for the Heal The World Foundation by Tour Sponsor Pepsi.

December 26, 1992: During a broadcast request for donations to the United Negro College Fund, Michael declares: "Black Colleges and Universities are breeding some of the leading personalities of our time. They are on top in business, justice, science and technologies, politics and religion. I am proud, that the Michael Jackson Scholarship Program enabled more than 200 young men and women to get a qualified education."

January 19, 1993: Michael is one of the stars to perform at the Presidential Inauguration of Bill Clinton. Before he sings "Gone Too Soon" he draws the attention to the plights of the victims of AIDS and mentions his friend Ryan White.

January 26, 1993: At a press conference held at Century Plaza Hotel in Century City, Los Angeles, Michael is presented with a $200,000 donation from the National Football League and the Sponsors of the Super Bowl. He gets another $500,000 from the BEST Foundation for his Heal The World Foundation. At this occasion the foundation of "Heal L.A." is officially announced.

February 1993: In association with Sega, launched an initiative to distribute more than $108,000 of computer games and equipment to children's hospitals, children's homes, and children's charities throughout the U.K.

March 1993: The foundation of an independent film company is announced. They will produce family-oriented movies. A part of the earnings will go to the Heal The World Foundation.

March 27, 1993: At a meeting at Century Plaza Hotel in Los Angeles, Michael gives a 5-minute speech to 1200 teachers and politicians.

April 26, 1993: Within his "Heal LA" tour, Michael visits the Watta Health Foundation, and two schools in Los Angeles South Central.

May 5, 1993: Former President Jimmy Carter and Michael, who are chairmen of the "Heal Our Children/Heal The World" initiative, are in Atlanta to promote their "Atlanta Project Immunization Drive".

June 1993: Michael has announced that he will donate $1.25 million for children who have suffered from the riots in Los Angeles.

June 1993: 100 children from the Challengers Boys and Girls Club visit Neverland.

June 10, 1993: Michael promotes the new DARE-program. The purpose of the program is to inform children about the dangers of drug abuse.

June 18, 1993: Michael pays a visit to a hospital in Washington. He spends several hours with the young patients and plays chess with some of them.

August 1993: With Pepsi-Cola Thailand, donated $40,000 to Crown Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn's charity, the Rural School Children and Youth Development Fund, in support of school lunch programs in rural villages in Thailand.

August 1993: In conjunction with Pepsi-Cola International, donated new ambulances to the Contacts One Independent Living Center for Children in Moscow, Russia and the Hospital de Ninos Dr. Ricardo Gutierrez in Buenos Aires, Argentina.

October 1993: Donated $100,000 to the Children's Defense Fund, the Children's Diabetes Foundation, the Atlanta Project, and the Boys and Girl Clubs of Newark, New Jersey.

October 22, 1993: Michael visits a hospital in Santiago.

October 28, 1993: Michael makes it possible for 5000 underprivileged children to visit the Reino Aventura Park, where the whale Keiko ("Free Willy") is living.

November 5, 1993: Michael is guest at a children's party at the Hard Rock Cafe in Mexico City.

December 1993: With the Gorbachev Foundation, airlifted 60,000 doses of children's vaccines to Tblisi, Georgia.

December 16, 1993: The Heal The World Foundation UK supports "Operation Christmas Child" delivering toys, sweets, gifts and food to children in former Yugoslavia.

1994: Michael donates $500,000 to Elizabeth Taylor's AIDS Foundation.

January 7, 1994: On the weekend of Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday, Michael gives a party for more than 100 underprivileged children at his Neverland Ranch.

February 22, 1994: "The Jackson Family Honors" is televised. The earnings of the show are given to their own newly formed charity, "Family Caring for Families".

August 6, 1994: Michael and his wife Lisa Marie are visiting two children's hospitals in Budapest. They distribute toys to the ill children.

1995: Michael wants to free dolphins who have been locked up for years. He believes there should be legal guidelines about the way dolphins have to live in zoos and parks.

March 1995: Little Bela Farkas received a new liver. Michael and Lisa Marie met this 4-year-old boy during their trip to Hungary in 1994. Michael did everything to help Bela, whose only chance to live was getting a new liver. The Heal The World Foundation covered the surgery and the cost for caring.

June 21, 1996: Michael donated a four-times platinum disc of "HIStory" in aid of the Dunblane appeal at the Royal Oak Hotel, Sevenoaks in England.

July 18, 1996: In Soweto, South Africa Michael is laying down a wreath of flowers for youngsters who have been killed during the fights involving Apartheid.

September 1996: The first Sports Festival "Hope" was held for orphans and disadvantaged children. 3000 children and 600 volunteers took part in the Sports Festival and Michael Jackson was a special guest.

September 6, 1996: Michael visits the children's unit of a hospital in Prague.

October 1996: Michael visited a hospital for mentally challenged children in Kaoshiung, Taiwan and offered 2,000 free tickets to the sold out performance in Kaoshiung.

October 1, 1996: Michael donated the proceeds of his Tunisia concert to "The National Solidarity Fund", a charity dedicated to fighting poverty.

October 3, 1996: Michael visits a children's hospital and brings small gifts for the patients during a HIStory tour visit in Amsterdam. A room in the hospital (for parents who want to be with their children) is named after Michael.

November 1, 1996: Michael donates most of the earnings from a HIStory concert in Bombay, India to the poor people of the country.

November 7, 1996: Before his first concert in Auckland, New Zealand, Michael fulfills the wish of little Emely Smith, who is suffering from cancer, who wants to meet Michael.

November 25, 1996: Michael visited the Royal Children's Hospital in Melbourne, delivering toys, signing autographs, and visiting with children.

December 9, 1996: During a HIStory tour visit in Manila, Michael visits a children's hospital. He announces that a part of his concert earnings will be donated to the renovation of the hospital.

January 25, 1997: Michael waved his personal fee for his Bombay appearance and donated $1.1 million to a local charity helping to educate children living in slums.

April 4, 1997: British magazine "OK!" is publishing exclusive photos of Michael's son Prince. The magazine pays about 1 million pounds for the photos. Michael donates the money to charity.

June 18, 1997: Michael signed the "Children in Need" book auctioned by the charity UNESCO.

September 1998: Michael meets 5 year old Aza Woods, who suffers from cancer, at the Hilton Hotel in Las Vegas. Michael introduces Aza to the attraction "Star Trek: The Experience" and spends the rest of the afternoon with the little boy. Finally Michael invites Aza to spend some time with him at his Neverland Ranch.

November 16, 1998: Michael arrives in Harare, Zimbabwe. He is a member of the American Delegation invited by the Minister of Defense. The delegation thanks the government of Zimbabwe for helping to keep the peace in this area.

September 4, 1999: Michael presented Nelson Mandela with a check for 1,000,000 South African rand for the "Nelson Mandela Children's Fund."

January 22, 2000: During Christmas last year a violent storm ravaged the park of the Chateau de Versailles and destroyed 10,000 trees in the park. The estimated cost for rebuilding the park is around $20 million. Some celebrities are supporting the restoration of the park. French officials are reporting that Michael Jackson is one of them. He was one of the first people to donate money to this cause.

October 28, 2000:Michael painted a plate to be auctioned for the "Carousel of Hope Ball" benefiting childhood diabetes research.

March 6, 2001: Michael donated a black hat, a birthday phone-call and a jacket worn at the Monaco Music Awards in 2000 to the Movie Action for Children auction, an event being given by UNICEF with all proceeds will going to UNICEF's efforts to prevent mother-to-child HIV transmission in Africa.

March 26, 2001: Michael handed out books to young people at a Newark, NJ theater. The event, which helped to launch the Michael Jackson International Book Club, part of his new Heal the Kids charity, aims to promote childhood reading and encourage parents to return to reading bedtime stories.

September 15, 2002: Michael donated 16 exclusively autographed items consisting of CD's, videos and 2 cotton napkins to aid in the support of the victims of a severe flood in Germany. These items were auctioned off for charity and managed to raise 3935 Euro (US$ 3,814).

October 12, 2002: Michael Jackson invited more than 200 Team Vandenberg members, who recently returned from overseas deployments, and their families to his Neverland Ranch. This was to show his appreciation for the sacrifices the military in his community make.

November 19-29, 2002: Michael donated an autographed teddy bear dressed in his likeness to Siegfried & Roy's celebrity teddy bear auction. This auction benefits Opportunity Village which is a non-profit organization based in Las Vegas (USA) that enhances the lives of individuals with intellectual disabilities and their families. Michael's autographed teddy bear raised $5,000 for the charity.

November 21, 2002: Michael donated a jacket to the The Bambi Charity Event in Berlin which raised $16,000.

April 25, 2002: Michael Jackson performed at a fundraiser for the Democratic National Committee at the Apollo Theater in Harlem helping to raise nearly $3 million dollars towards voter registration.

June 2003: The Wolf family, who experienced serious damages to their belongings during the flood in Saxony, Germany last August, was invited to Berlin by Michael Jackson when he was at the Bambi Awards. On that occasion Michael invited them to Neverland. In June, they spent three days at Neverland, meeting Michael and his children.


Charity Awards

May 14, 1984: At a ceremony in the White House President Reagan presents Michael an award for special efforts; he is honored for his participation in a national ad campaign against drunk driving.

January 1989: The "Say Yes To A Youngsters Future" program honors Michael in recognition of his efforts to encourage children to natural sciences and award him with the "National Urban Coalition Artist/Humanitarian Of The Year Award".

March 1989: At the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California, Michael receives the Black Radio Special Award for his humanitarian efforts.

September 22, 1989: The Capital Children's Museum awards Michael with the Best Of Washington 1989 Humanitarian Award in recognition of his efforts to raise money for the museum, and for his never-ending support of children.

February 3, 1990: From Japan Michael receives a Role Model Award.

April 5, 1990: During a ceremony, where Michael is awarded as "Entertainer Of The Decade", Michael meets President George Bush, who honors him with the "Point Of Light" award. Michael receives this award for his philanthropic activities. President Bush explains Michael's humanitarian commitments to the press.

September 14, 1990: The Council of the American Scouts honors Michael with the first "Good Scout Humanitarian Award". Michael receives this award for his humanitarian activities by supporting the Make A Wish Foundation, the Prince's Trust, the United Negro College Fund and Childhelp USA.

October 23, 1990: Michael Jackson and Elton John will be the first recipients of the award in memory of Ryan White, which will be handed over in 1991.

May 1, 1992: President George Bush presents Michael with the "Point of Light" award for his continuing support of deprived children. During his stay, Michael visits little Raynal Pope, who had been injured very badly by dogs.

June 3, 1992: The organization "One To One", who is caring for better living conditions of young people, honors Michael with an award for his commitment to deprived youngsters.

July 1993: The American Friends of Hebrew University honors Michael with the Scopus Award 1993.

August 1993: The Jack The Rapper Awards are presented and Michael is honored with the "Our Children, Our Hope Of Tomorrow" award.

November 17, 1993: Michael rejects the Scopus Award. He was nominated for this award, which was planned to be given him on January 29th, 1994.

April 12, 1994: On occasion of the 2nd Children's Choice Award ceremony at Cit Center in New York, Michael is presented with the "Caring For Kids" award. This award is to honor celebrities, who take time for young people. 100,000 children and young people from 8 to 18 years old gave Michael their vote of confidence. The Children's Choice Awards are sponsored by Body Sculpt, a charity organization, that offers drug-prevention programs for young people.

November 2, 1995: Michael receives the award "Diamont of Africa".

March, 30, 1996: The Ark Trust-Foundation, who wants to draw the attention of the public eye on animal's problems, presents the 10th Genesis Award. Michael is presented with the 1995 Doris Day Award. He gets this award for the "Earth Song" video, which draws attention to the plight of the animals.

May 1, 1999: At the Bollywood awards in New York, Michael is presented with an award for his humanitarian activities. The award is signed: "Though he comes from the young American tradition, Michael is the embodiment of an old indian soul. His actions are an expression of the philosophy of Weda, which asked to work for the people - not for one's own interests."

April 1, 2004: At the Ethiopian Embassy in Washington, D.C., Michael was presented with a humanitarian award by the African Ambassadors' Spouses Association in honor of his work fighting AIDS in Africa.

Organizations

The Millennium-Issue of the "Guinness Book Of Records" names Michael as the Pop Star who supports the most charity organizations. The following projects are supported by Michael Jackson:

AIDS Project L.A.
American Cancer Society
Angel Food
Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles
BMI Foundation
Brotherhood Crusade
Brothman Burn Center
Camp Ronald McDonald
Childhelp U.S.A.
Children's Institute International
Cities and Schools Scholarship Fund
Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation
Congressional Black Caucus
Dakar Foundation
Dreamstreet Kids
Dreams Come True Charity
Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation
Heal The World Foundation
Juvenile Diabetes Foundation
Love Match
Make A Wish Foundation
Minority Aids Project
Motown Museum
NAACP
National Rainbow Coalition
Rotary Club of Australia
Society of Singers
Starlight Foundation
The Carter Center's Atlanta Project
The Sickle Cell Research Foundation
Transafrica
United Negro College Fund
United Negro College Fund Ladder's of Hope
Volunteers of America
Watts Summer Festival
Wish Granting
YMCA - 28th Street/Crenshaw

And may the good Lord reward all his efforts. God bless MJ. I believe I and many right hearted people around the globe are eternally grateful to God for giving us such a man for he has done so much to bring sunshine and happiness to many in the world with his talent and love.

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Originally posted by Sweetwuzzy:
Wow, Kevin41, I never knew MJ did all those charities.

**I knew about the black college thing and some of them but even I was moved when I saw that list...hell, he could be like the other MJ who they say don't even tip at restaurants...but you see why Lofton doesn't really bother me.....he doesn't do his homework and speak clearly froma emotional standpoint...which in the real world......means nothing at all....

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Originally posted by Frenchy:

Race is certainly significant, but being rich will 9 times out of 10 trump everything else. How many times have you heard the phrase "Oh he's not reallyBlack, he's just Will Smith/Michael Jordan/whoever?" You cannot possibly think people immediately think Black man when they think Michael Jackson. He is right in the aforementioned category, even before his face matched that thinking.

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because black people, particularly the poor are never given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to justice.....

That is the flip side of exactly what I said previously. If the rich get off, the poor obviously go down in flames.

Nope....MJ is black.......and the fact that he owns the beatles and elvis makes him a n-gga to many......understand....white racists have beef with you whenever they cannot feed their silly azz notion of superiority.....and when he got off......all the white people I heard say "damn"....reminds me that they do see him as black....eccentric and rich...yet STILL black....and the point I made about the 120 shots to an unarmed black man versus one shot in the shoulder for an ARMED white man.....factors wealth out of the equation....period......you know...like when whites with less income and worse credit get loans before blacks....also factors money out and leaves race as the PRIMARY factor.....so even the poor do not go down all alike.....neither do the rich.....look at martha stewart versus the enron ken lay types....she gets jail for pennies....he walks for billions.....and the accounting firm he used to manipulate the numbers....it was gender in that case......those who are not white males will eventually figure out who this society is geared to accomodate the most......

And I guess Lofton is too caught up in his own stupidity to admit he was wrong....and understand that the UNCF alone aids poor kids going to underfunded black colleges.....he doesn't understand that when I went to school at a black college...many came there the first in their family to attend college, were dirt poor and some even needed remedial courses to bridge the gap from their sorry azz school system.....and as so far as the inner city charities.....they do not aid middle class blacks...the help the poor......so if he can truly look at that list and think that no poor blacks were helped to get on their feet.....then he truly has a learning and comprehension disability..........

and that is why I found donations dating back to 1984....because I knew Lofton would try to paint MJ's donations as a diversion from the charges he faced...so that is incorrect also.....it is fun to take rhetoric and squash it with facts.....if I have to read all the shit I do to be knowledgeable.....what makes the next motherfucker think that they are going to be knowledgeable based on their self-perception and not the work they do? But he has the nerve to call me pompous....funny indeed....pompous is thinking you can make whatever you want be facts and dump that bulschit off on others as if there is validity attached to it by default......funny indeed

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
And I guess Lofton is too caught up in his own stupidity to admit he was wrong....and understand that the UNCF alone aids poor kids going to underfunded black colleges.....he doesn't understand that when I went to school at a black college...many came there the first in their family to attend college, were dirt poor and some even needed remedial courses to bridge the gap from their sorry azz school system.....and as so far as the inner city charities.....they do not aid middle class blacks...the help the poor......so if he can truly look at that list and think that no poor blacks were helped to get on their feet.....then he truly has a learning and comprehension disability..........

**And by the way....some of those same people are now engineers, scientists invloved with physics, nurses, professors and have reached back and sent their siblings and others to colleges and now give the same chance to others they were given....which is the greatest thing blacks can do for each other........

"....and I guess Lofton is too caught up in his own stupidity to admit he was wrong....and understand that the UNCF alone aids poor kids going to underfunded black colleges.....he doesn't understand that when I went to school at a black college...many came there the first in their family to attend college, were dirt poor and some even needed remedial courses to bridge the gap from their sorry azz school system.....and as so far as the inner city charities.....they do not aid middle class blacks...the help the poor......so if he can truly look at that list and think that no poor blacks were helped to get on their feet.....then he truly has a learning and comprehension disability..........by Kevin41

...more likely, blindness on the part of a Kevin41. Visit any inner-city such as Harlem, Detroit, South Central, Compton, etc., and little if any evidence exists to where millions are being invested by any Michael Jackson in these areas.

The business owners are not even Black, so thus, again the information shared is not valid, in the sense that very little of the millions in U.S. dollars or its equivalent, spent by any charitable organizations have touched the lives of the inhabitants of any South Central Los Angeles, Detroit, Oakland, East St. Louis, Harlem, Baltimore, etc.

Heck, the management of most all charitable organizations take their cut of the top first, before the first dollar reaches the indigent, the needy, etc.

"......and by the way....some of those same people are now engineers, scientists invloved with physics, nurses, professors and have reached back and sent their siblings and others to colleges and now give the same chance to others they were given....which is the greatest thing blacks can do for each other........" by Kevin41

......and few of these individuals set up shop in the "hood", or the individuals receiving the benefits rarely come from the "Hood". More likely the Black middleclass, Caucasians, friends of the Black middleclass have benefited. The masses who remain, rarely, if at all see any benefit.

Don't take my word for it. All an individual would need to do is visit a South Central Los Angeles, a Compton, Harlem, Detroit, East St. Louis, etc., and it would be very evident from the dire poverty conditions that millions of dollars from any Michael Jackson, or otherwise are not reaching these individuals. In many inner-city communities predominated by Black people, the business owners are not not even Black. The local merchants and business owners are Hispanic, Jewish, Korean, Arab, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, etc., while their customer base is primarily Black people.

Those so called university educated that Kevin41 speaks about are not returning to any South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Baltimore, Detroit, etc., to invest in any inner-city, which further proves, that Kevin41's diatribe is not the reality of it!

Just ask the people who live in these areas, how much of a financial benefit, that Michael Jackson, Black celebrities, and/or the Black middleclass in Black nurses, doctors, and engineers, have been to the residents of any inner-city, in any Compton, South Central, Watts, etc., etc.

I'm willing to bet their answers will be very different from the misinformation as shared by Kevin41.

The Black administrators, doctors, and nurses at "Killer/King" Hospital, which is in the heart of "Watts" are being fired, being forced to resign, etc., do to their tendency to be unethical, sleazy, blatantly incompetent, etc., so much so, that the Feds have threatened to remove funds from Martin Luther King Hospital.

The blatant incompetence of many of these individuals has resulted in numerous malpractice lawsuits, unwarranted deaths of numerous hospital patients, etc., etc.

Los Angeles County has been forced to rid itself of such incompetence or lose funding for Martin Luther King Hospital, and the Charles Drew Medical School.

Yep, it is definitely a misnomer to say, imply, or even believe that any of these individuals, in any Michael Jackson, Black doctor, Black engineer, etc., etc., have been of any value to inner-city residents.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Michael:
...although Michael Jackson was acquitted, in the eyes of the masses he is still considered a child molester.

.....One or more of the jurists even stated this. The only reason that Michael Jackson was acquitted is the lack of credibility on the part of the prosecution. In several other documented incidents, Michael Jackson has paid the tune of millions, to several individuals, as "hush money" in an out of court settlement, rather than face criminal indictment for his actions.

This is not the MO of any truly innocent individual, especially anyone of Michael Jackson's clout, who would have the resources to rebutt such a claim over paying over twenty million dollars in damages.

Although he was acquitted of being a child molester, in this most recent trial, the majority of people have still branded Michael Jackson as being a child molester and rightfully so.

The question being ask by many individuals, and the Media, on the West Coast, is, "Now that Michael Jackson has been acquitted, will Michael Jackson continue his old habit of molesting and/or sleeping with young boys?"

....It is going to be next to impossible, if not impossible, for Michael Jackson to change the hearts and minds of many individuals, one being me, that Michael Jackson is not a child molester.

Although he escaped conviction, Michael Jackson remains a child molester. Once any individual is deemed as being a child molester, the responsible residents of any community will go to any length to remove such an individual from their community. This would be especially true in any affluent community, composed of parents, and their children.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Returning to the subject of MJ's guilt or innocense...

The phrase "child molester", although used in common everyday english, also has a legal meaning. By definition, one can only be called a "child molester" (at least publicly) if you have been convicted of child molestation. To my knowledge, MJ has never been convicted of child molestation and cannot be called a child molester.

If someone were to state publicly, in a speech or book or a film, in newsprint or on television that MJ is a child molester, such person would be liable and might very well find themselves standing before a court.

Of course, they could always avoid the hassle and agree to a printed retraction or out-of-court settlement.

Now, for arguments sake, let's assume that MJ is guilty of all ten charges listed on the bill of indictment. Let's also assume that all of the jurors were impartial. It's a stretch, but let's do it anyway.

Let's also disregard the extreme explanations for MJ's acquittal like, "the jurors were paid-off" and "they acquitted him because they were star-struck" Hmmm, I forgot were I was going with this... oh,

Given these two conditions, that he's guilty as sin and the jury was impartial, there are only two explanations for acquittal. First, that the evidence was weak or non-existant, or second, that the DA botched his job; he presented the evidence poorly or the defense out-scored him.

Either way the evidence did not meet the criteria of a "preponderance" beyond a reasonable doubt. And please note that this is true in nearly every case of acquittal... the preponderance of evidence did not exclude reasonable doubt. Does this mean in every case of acquittal the defendant "escaped conviction"?

The public may brand him what they will, but acquittal, in the legal sense of the word, means innocence. He's had his day in court and now he deserves a chance.

In the "eyes of the masses" (what an arrogant phrase) MJ is not a child molester. Maybe in the eyes of the majority of Americans he's a child molester but that still leaves a lot of folks who believe he's innocent.

That a majority of Americans think he's guilty... I'm not sure what that means. A majority of Americans think George Bush is the cat's meow (at least on Nov. 3 they did) and a generation of Germans looked on while six million people were exterminated.

Escaped conviction? I can't get past that. Is it a euphemism applied to every person who is found not guilty? Do people who are found guilty escape aquittal? Good grief! I hope I'm never charged with a crime. I don't have a prayer.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
Now imagine how you sound.......

....same response,

The masses of Black people live in the inner-city, and very little of Michael's assets even touched the lives of Black inner-city residents.

Furthermore, more times than not, his charitable donations have been used to promote Caucasian causes and not Black people.

Michael Jackson, the child molester, did not associate with Black people, or even think about spending his millions in any Black community, when he was riding high.

Shaq O'neil is one of few, if any, of our Black celebrities, who has actually invested his earnings in the "Hood" to:

A. Create jobs for Black people who reside in the inner-city.

B. Improve the quality of life of Black inner-city residents.

C. be used as a source of revenue to finance business opportunities of all forms in the inner-city.

Michael Jackson's millions have yet to be used for either purpose A, B and/or C, thus the above diatribe as shared by Kevin41, is a myth, because very little of Michael Jackson's millions have touched the lives of truly oppressed Black people, the Black disadvantaged, the Black indigent, the Black homeless, the Black family structure, and/or the many Black university educated and Black working class who seek just one gainful employment to keep from using criminal activity to exist, etc., etc.

If it were not for Michael Jackson being faced with criminal indictment, for yet one more child molestation criminal indictment, Michael Jackson would not have had even the slightest interest in any thought of having any connection to the Black community.

.....and Michael Jackson is definitely not in the running for being one of the truly oppressed of Black America.

......now as for loving the ground that Caucasians walk on, there is not a better living specimen, the specimen being wishing he could be something that he will never be Caucasian wanna be Michael Jackson.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

**what is that same response bullschit? Man you are lazy as hell....were you homeless because you didn't get your azz up to go to work? You claim so many black people are inept and you got it all so figured out who the black people worth a fuck are.....why couldn't you do that for yourself? A critical motherfucker is always supposed to have their shit together....especially beyond the people that they are placing scrutiny on.....you damn sure do not meet that criteria.



you posted:

Michael Jackson's millions have yet to be used for either purpose A, B and/or C, thus the above diatribe as shared by Kevin41, is a myth, because very little of Michael Jackson's millions have touched the lives of truly oppressed Black people, the Black disadvantaged, the Black indigent, the Black homeless, the Black family structure, and/or the many Black university educated and Black working class who seek just one gainful employment to keep from using criminal activity to exist, etc., etc.


** I love to watch your azz backtrack....now you have gone from MJ didn't give black people shit to very little of his money got to do anything for blacks...those are two different points you just made in case YOU did not notice.

How in the hell do you even know how much of MJ's money went to black people? How do you know that the amount was little. Do you have his accountant's records to show what MJ paid out? Do you have the recipient's records to see how much was absorbed in overhead and how much was left afterwards from each donation they received?


When you type that same response bullshit Lofton....you think you are being rude and frustrating.....but you are not......I know you say that "same response" bullshit because you HAVE to.....you have no way to cover your azz for the things you can not substantiate, so you have to DIVERT the converstaion by talking all that inept, treasonous black middle class jack-leg bullshit...or you DEFLECT the specific question by saying same response and giving an answer that does not even relate to the specific question asked to you.


I get a kick out of talking to you....it helps my articulation skills because it takes some what of a skill to try and bring someone's bullschit forward and put it in a legible format to then tell them why it is bullschit.


At the same time.....presenting questions to you that you have to DELFECT & DIVERT clearly helps to display those remedial azz mental tactics you try to employ after saying some pathologically self-hating shit or some uninformed, non-factual, unsubstantiated, undefendable bullshit....you out in the wind and cold butt naked Lofton and your ass is getting chapped? Whatcha gonna do?

"When you type that same response bullshit Lofton....you think you are being rude and frustrating.....but you are not......I know you say that "same response" bullshit because you HAVE to.....you have no way to cover your azz for the things you can not substantiate, so you have to DIVERT the converstaion by talking all that inept, treasonous black middle class jack-leg bullshit...or you DEFLECT the specific question by saying same response and giving an answer that does not even relate to the specific question asked to you.

...... get a kick out of talking to you....it helps my articulation skills because it takes some what of a skill to try and bring someone's bullschit forward and put it in a legible format to then tell them why it is bullschit." by Kevin41

???articulation skills, where, when,.......any articulation skill that is misleading, or unrealistic is not worth reading or listening to.

...and it is a waste of my value time to digest misleading information expressed by any Kevin41 that is not factual, concerning any major invest of any Black celebrity in the "Hood".

"With a spate of new projects, for-profit housing developers show a fresh interest in the once-neglected area. But challenges remain."

......Now who is truly telling truth. The inner-city has been neglected by the elected Black leadership, the so-called Black middle class, and the Black upperclass.

Kevin41's reality must be from another world, because the people who actually live in the inner-city know for a fact that the Black elected leaders, the Black middleclass, a Michael Jackson, etc., have yet to bring millions into the inner-city, or create opportunity for the residents of any Compton, South Central Los Angeles, Watts, Oakland, Baltimore, East St. Louis, Harlem, Pacoima, Pomona, Detroit, Newark, etc., etc.!

The only major business investment coming into any inner-city is being financed by every other ethnic group but the Black middle class, Black celebrities, including any Michael Jackson, etc., etc. If not for the investment of Caucasians, Koreans, Hispanics, and other outsiders, much of South Central Los Angeles would be as depressed today, if not worse, than after the 1965 Watts riot.

Just like Caucasian Flight from Compton, South Central, Watts, other inner-city areas, the Black middleclass ran like a "bat out of hell" away from the inner-city, and left behind the Black elderly, etc., etc.

The primary individuals being snowed by the B.S. of Kevin41, are those who don't know any better. As for being lazy, incompetent, sleazy, self-serving, elitist, pompous, misleading the Black community, truly showing hatred for the Black community, the Black middleclass including a professor Kevin41, definitely have one or more of these counter-productive characteristics, more so than any Michael Lofton.

Again, the millions of dollars in assets of any Michael Jackson, or any other Black celebrity are not being invested in any inner-city.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Lofton.....Michael knows what made him strange and has vocalized as such....you need to do the same with that hangup about your childhood that has you really acting dysfunctional as an adult and spewing hatred...if not....this is how your life will be and eventually (if not already) no one will be around you because they do not want to hear that shit....you have bitter old azz loner written all over your future........

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June 15, 2005

Analysis of today's diversity news from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Reuters, The Washington Post, FOXNews.com, Slate.com and more:



"I've never believed Michael Jackson was a pedophile," writes Slate editor Jacob Weisberg. That's in part because he doesn't fit the profile"”the average molester of boys commits 280 crimes in a lifetime, one study found"”but mostly because Weisberg can't picture Jackson as a premeditating sexual predator. "Michael Jackson seems too emotionally stunted to act in any grown-up way, including a deviant sexual one," he writes. "Naive, juvenile, and terribly damaged, he seems pathetically incapable not just of criminal intent, but of adult consciousness."



Forced to work at age 7 by a physically abusive father, Jackson grew up without a normal adolescence. "Instead, Michael was made into a performing sexualized freak, a boy whose soprano voice kindled passion in grown women," Weisberg notes. "He was made to witness adult sexuality at an age when it can only have been terrifying and incomprehensible to him. By 10, he was performing in strip clubs and hiding under the covers in hotel rooms while his older brothers got it on with groupies." Jackson has said himself that his childhood was "taken away" from him.



"Almost everything that seems freakish about him can be explained by his poignant, doomed effort to get his stolen childhood back," Weisberg writes. "Tyrannized and abused by his father, he turned hyperbolically gentle and generous to children. Terrified by adult sexuality, he froze in pre-adolescent immaturity."



When asked why he spends so much time with children, Jackson said, "I haven't been betrayed or deceived by children. Adults have let me down."



Weisberg makes good points. But still, let's hope Jackson follows through on his lawyer's statement that the entertainer no longer will share his bed with children.

Michael, Frency...

WHO ARE YOU to define "blackness"?

...And it is TOTAL IGNORANCE to base one's blackness primarily upon the color of their skin!

And if you would've noticed in the "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary, during that time of shooting, there were nothing but a whole bunch of black kids (along with their families) from the inner-city invited (FOR FREE!) at Neverland!


I'm sorry, however, if MJ is not "partial" when it comes to his donations - but it's ridiculous to say that he doesn't "give back" to his own people in any way!

USA for AFRICA?...


He's done ALOT MORE for his "people" than these so-called "REAL bruthas" who flash their wealth in our faces, yet, BEG us to make 'em wealthy (in buying their music and OVER-priced clothing)! ...And what do we really "gain" from their music, besides more stereotypes and negativity?


...It's SUCH A SHAME when we consider ALL that this man has given back to humanity, yet, we TOTALLY forget that and focus on the negative (which has NOT EVEN been proven, at that!)!...

Like Jermaine Jackson said, this man should be upheld as a FINE EXAMPLE for Americans (in considering how this world view us), in all that he's done for the world, yet, we treat him like s.hit, simply because he's "eccentric"!

Thanks Lashid,

that bullschit Micheal espouses is based on his own mental affliction...that is why he changes his point, states things that he cannot justify, deflects and diverts from specific questions and leaves key points unaddressed in his responses.......man i bet he was a sorry azz student in school........

quote:

Thanks Lashid,

that bullschit Micheal espouses is based on his own mental affliction...

So, I see...

...He KNOWS that he's gonna get opposition and strong argument against him...

...But that's part of his "plan" in being here...

Our focus shifts from black discussion/opinion to defending ourselves against his attacks...

"They" have pulled this s.hit at BET, and they continue "trolling" around black messageboards with this mess...

"that bullschit Micheal espouses is based on his own mental affliction..." by Lashid

....as for mental affliction...

Jackson's millions, nor any Black celebrities millions have touched the lives of Black Los Angeles! I'm willing to bet strongly that none of these individuals have been kept off the street, or kept from being homeless due to Michael Jackson, or any Black celebrity's benevolence!

...and with regard to Michael Jackson's perverted life style, it would behoove any parent to keep their young sons away from the likes of any Michael Jackson.

...It is disguisting and very abnormal for any grown man to share his bed with and young boy or girl, especially any young boy or girl, who is of no blood relation.

....and considering the amount money collected in the typical Black Church, the number of charitable organizations, the so-called millions invested in the inner-city by Michael Jackson, the homeless population of Black Los Angeles, the conditions of Compton, South Central Los Angeles, Watts, should not be....which is further indication that millions are not reaching the destitute, the homeless, the poverty, Black families in distress, as depicted by the large number of documented homeless Black people, published by the Los Angeles Times, a world class newspaper.


....Heck, most all Charitable organizations intentionally will go to any length to make it appear that they are helping the disadvantaged, whether true or not, so that they can receive a larger market share of charitable contributions.

I know the game. About the only charitable organization that I will contribute to, is the Salvation Army. Other than the Salvation Army, I have chosen to personally give 100% of any contribution directly to any Black homeless individual, any Black family in distress, or any other individual from the Black community who comes across as being genuinely in need of help. Of course, this would mean I would lose the means to use this as a charitable contribution, on my tax return, because the money, the gift, etc., is not being first donated to any Charitable organization. More so than any tax write-off, it is of more value to make a point the truly needy benefit from my benevolence, over the greedy or the sleazy!

This is of far more benefit to anyone in need, than to have any "go between" in any Church, Charitable organization, poverty pimping jackleg preacher, or other group of individuals who automatically take a large percentage off the top, to which in many instances, the money intended to help the needy, instead ends up in the control of the greedy!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Michael,
You WHITE poser, trying to come off as just a "black conservative"...

...I am not gonna debate with you something as silly as what is considered "charity" and what isn't, cuz when it really boils down to it, Mr. Jackson don't owe us S.HIT but to keep us entertained! ...Plus, he's done enough for his race in opening doors for so many black musicians following...

But you, nor Frency, nor any one of you have NO RIGHT to "declare" this man "black" or "white"! ...You ARE NOT his creator!


...But I will cease from arguing with you on something SO STUPID - especially when you consider ALL that this man has contributed to causes, charities, music, AND black American culture!


WHAT HAVE YOU DONE for "your people"(yeah, right!) besides constantly bicker against us, point the finger, and oppose our every opinion (yet, offer no real solution)?

"You WHITE poser, trying to come off as just a "black conservative"...

...I am not gonna debate with you something as silly as what is considered "charity" and what isn't, cuz when it really boils down to it, Mr. Jackson don't owe us S.HIT but to keep us entertained! ...Plus, he's done enough for his race in opening doors for so many black musicians following..." by Lashid

......again as I have stated before, I choose my own heroes, to which, the being benevolent to Caucasians over Black people wanna be Caucasian pervert Michael Jackson, Poverty Pimping Jesse Jackson, Poverty Pimping Al Sharpton, should be in prison O.J. Simpson, "Brentwood" Burke, former Congressman Walter "Felony" Tucker, Reverend H.H. "pimping" Brookins, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton and South Los Angeles "no good illegal immigrant" Merv Dymally, ambulance chasing attorney Johnny Cochran, Carpetbagging Martin Ludlow, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prositute in a government vehicle carpet bagging no good sleazy California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, etc., etc., are very removed from being fit to be called a hero, or very remote from any group of individuals I would admire, and respect!

To each his own. Again, I choose my heroes, and not you!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Who you choose as a "hero" aint got s.hit to do with this, Mr. Michael!

Besides, I was always told that to first talk about someone (whether it be negative or positive talk), you must first be THINKING about 'em ...And we don't talk about those we dislike continuously!



Plus, instead of making it known what blacks you "abhor" (or whatever), then why don't you try praising your "black heroes" once in a while? ...Why not make a topic that is UPLIFTING to the black race, instead of continuously finding fault and picking out things to criticize?


Ya see, the reason you wouldn't "go there" is because YOU ARE NOT BLACK! ...You are up in here, on a mission to disrupt and get across "the white man's point", posing as one of us!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lashid:
Who you choose as a "hero" aint got s.hit to do with this, Mr. Michael!

Besides, I was always told that to first talk about someone (whether it be negative or positive talk), you must first be THINKING about 'em ...And we don't talk about those we dislike continuously!

Plus, instead of making it known what blacks you "abhor" (or whatever), then why don't you try praising your "black heroes" once in a while? ...Why not make a topic that is UPLIFTING to the black race, instead of continuously finding fault and picking out things to criticize?

...same response which is...

......again as I have stated before, I choose my own heroes, to which, the being benevolent to Caucasians over Black people wanna be Caucasian pervert Michael Jackson, Poverty Pimping Jesse Jackson, Poverty Pimping Al Sharpton, should be in prison O.J. Simpson, "Brentwood" Burke, former Congressman Walter "Felony" Tucker, Reverend H.H. "pimping" Brookins, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton and South Los Angeles "no good illegal immigrant" Merv Dymally, ambulance chasing attorney Johnny Cochran, Carpetbagging Martin Ludlow, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prositute in a government vehicle carpet bagging no good sleazy California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, etc., etc., are very removed from being fit to be called a hero, or very remote from any group of individuals I would admire, and respect!

To each his own. Again, I choose my heroes, and not you!

...and as for being Black I've already proven my connection to the Black community plus, I have years of experience!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
[QUOTE]
...and as for being Black I've already proven my connection to the Black community plus, I have years of experience![/URL]

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Umm hmmm...

YEAH! ..WHATEVA, MA'AN!


You can tell us that you're Martin Luther King ressurrected, but you SHOW YOUR REAL COLORS in your every post!

"Umm hmmm...

YEAH! ..WHATEVA, MA'AN!

You can tell us that you're Martin Luther King ressurrected, but you SHOW YOUR REAL COLORS in your every post!"

....and as far as showing their true colors,......if treason had a color that matched "Hell", these individuals would win hands down, all bets aside!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
Lofton.....Michael knows what made him strange and has vocalized as such....you need to do the same with that hangup about your childhood that has you really acting dysfunctional as an adult and spewing hatred...if not....this is how your life will be and eventually (if not already) no one will be around you because they do not want to hear that shit....you have bitter old azz loner written all over your future........

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June 15, 2005

Analysis of today's diversity news from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Reuters, The Washington Post, FOXNews.com, Slate.com and more:



"I've never believed Michael Jackson was a pedophile," writes Slate editor Jacob Weisberg. That's in part because he doesn't fit the profile"”the average molester of boys commits 280 crimes in a lifetime, one study found"”but mostly because Weisberg can't picture Jackson as a premeditating sexual predator. "Michael Jackson seems too emotionally stunted to act in any grown-up way, including a deviant sexual one," he writes. "Naive, juvenile, and terribly damaged, he seems pathetically incapable not just of criminal intent, but of adult consciousness."



Forced to work at age 7 by a physically abusive father, Jackson grew up without a normal adolescence. "Instead, Michael was made into a performing sexualized freak, a boy whose soprano voice kindled passion in grown women," Weisberg notes. "He was made to witness adult sexuality at an age when it can only have been terrifying and incomprehensible to him. By 10, he was performing in strip clubs and hiding under the covers in hotel rooms while his older brothers got it on with groupies." Jackson has said himself that his childhood was "taken away" from him.



"Almost everything that seems freakish about him can be explained by his poignant, doomed effort to get his stolen childhood back," Weisberg writes. "Tyrannized and abused by his father, he turned hyperbolically gentle and generous to children. Terrified by adult sexuality, he froze in pre-adolescent immaturity."



When asked why he spends so much time with children, Jackson said, "I haven't been betrayed or deceived by children. Adults have let me down."



Weisberg makes good points. But still, let's hope Jackson follows through on his lawyer's statement that the entertainer no longer will share his bed with children.

The best, most compassonionate post and assessment of MJ's emotional and psychological problems.

We don't send people with these kind of problems to prison to be "hunched over in a jail cell getting Child Molester Treatment". At least I pray to God we don't. That anyone would wish this on another human being is beyond comprehension.

But sadly, this view of justice, seems to be the view shared by a majority of Amercians. It's vengence they want, not justice and this is part of the tragedy of this whole trial.

To say that MJ lacks judgement is an understatement. His choice of "friends and advisors" is terrible. Any real friend would have grabbed him by the shoulders and shaken him 'til his teeth rattled and screamed at him about what he was doing to his life. Truely, let's pray that he follows his lawyers advice.

"....you need to do the same with that hangup about your childhood that has you really acting dysfunctional as an adult and spewing hatred...if not....this is how your life will be and eventually (if not already) no one will be around you because they do not want to hear that shit....you have bitter old azz loner written all over your future........"

....and I'm not about to flip this script, to please the ears, eyes, or thoughts of Kevin41 or anyone else, because this is much more than just about my childhood!

Heck the Los Angeles Sentinel, the so-called largest Black owned newspaper on the West Coast has yet to publish the truth, apologize, retract falsehoods about my family. This happened during my adult years. These individuals are a disgrace, and I'm not about to keep quiet about it!

Sincerely.

Michael Lofton

"....you need to do the same with that hangup about your childhood that has you really acting dysfunctional as an adult and spewing hatred...if not....this is how your life will be and eventually (if not already) no one will be around you because they do not want to hear that shit....you have bitter old azz loner written all over your future........" by Kevin41

....and I'm not about to flip this script, to please the ears, eyes, or thoughts of Kevin41 or anyone else, because this is much more than just about my childhood!

Heck the Los Angeles Sentinel, the so-called largest Black owned newspaper on the West Coast has yet to publish the truth, apologize, and/or retract falsehoods about my family. This happened during my adult years. These individuals are a disgrace, and I'm not about to keep quiet about it!

Sincerely.

Michael Lofton

"....you need to do the same with that hangup about your childhood that has you really acting dysfunctional as an adult and spewing hatred...if not....this is how your life will be and eventually (if not already) no one will be around you because they do not want to hear that shit....you have bitter old azz loner written all over your future........" by Kevin41

....and I'm not about to flip this script, to please the ears, eyes, or thoughts of Kevin41 or anyone else, because this is much more than just about my childhood!

Heck the Los Angeles Sentinel, the so-called largest Black owned newspaper on the West Coast has yet to publish the truth, apologize, retract falsehoods about my family. This happened during my adult years. These individuals are a disgrace, and I'm not about to keep quiet about it!

Sincerely.

Michael Lofton

that is between you and the Sentinel.....if you are so adamant about being wronged, file a lawsuit...but do not for once think you are going to include the black race in stating your displeasure about YOUR situation and not get asked to substantiate your accusations. I personally believe you do not have a valid argument and are bitter as a result..again, that is YOUR personal issue, not that of this board and the black race.....espcially since all you ever say is that you were wronged and do not give both sides to the story....i think doing so will force you to see the truth....

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
that is between you and the Sentinel.....if you are so adamant about being wronged, file a lawsuit...but do not for once think you are going to include the black race in stating your displeasure about YOUR situation and not get asked to substantiate your accusations. I personally believe you do not have a valid argument and are bitter as a result..again, that is YOUR personal issue, not that of this board and the black race.....espcially since all you ever say is that you were wronged and do not give both sides to the story....i think doing so will force you to see the truth....

....same response which is....

I don't see any reason to respond to the nonsense that you continue to post.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

yeah...you talk about how wronged you were...but i see you fail to get off your lazy lying azz to do something about it....which means the Sentinel must have some merit to what they printed....if that was my family....i wouldn't even be in here fucking around....i'd be working to defend my family's name...that is why you are so damn hateful.........because you are helpless to do something about it....because once you start with those lies and opinions, they will print another story about the fool who tried to make the truth a lie......when they have records to refer to.....so you need to look inward, because no one in here has done you shit.....

"yeah...you talk about how wronged you were...but i see you fail to get off your lazy lying azz to do something about it....which means the Sentinel must have some merit to what they printed....if that was my family....i wouldn't even be in here fucking around....i'd be working to defend my family's name...that is why you are so damn hateful.........because you are helpless to do something about it....because once you start with those lies and opinions, they will print another story about the fool who tried to make the truth a lie......when they have records to refer to.....so you need to look inward, because no one in here has done you shit....." by Kevin41

There is definitely nothing of merit or worthy of praise as it pertains to sleaze, treason, ignorance, or unethical and unprofessional journalism.

The Los Angeles Sentinel is just a "Yellow Journal"

..Sue the Sentinel???? The Sentinel does not have anything worth suing for. Eventually, the Sentinel will put itself out of business!!!

Many of our own elected officials are treasonous, disgraceful, and should be banned from ever holding elected office!

yep.....you are such a weasel azz person Lofton...you make excuses not to take action but at the same time you feel like youv'e been wronged....if you felt that BS you state was true, you'd sue em for 50 cent if you had to....but you are all hot air Lofton...you talk a big talk and speak bad of others to try and create tension amongst others...but everyone else is under control and you just continue to spew emotional BS that you are scared to follow up on...if you were real....you would spend your every waking moment trying to defend your family's name instead of trying to make others feel like you do...now that is homo since you like to toss that title around.......

"yep.....you are such a weasel azz person Lofton...you make excuses not to take action but at the same time you feel like youv'e been wronged....if you felt that BS you state was true, you'd sue em for 50 cent if you had to....but you are all hot air Lofton...you talk a big talk and speak bad of others to try and create tension amongst others...but everyone else is under control and you just continue to spew emotional BS that you are scared to follow up on...if you were real....you would spend your every waking moment trying to defend your family's name instead of trying to make others feel like you do...now that is homo since you like to toss that title around......." by Kevin41

...Nope the only weasels, backstabbers, thieves, cheats, traitors, trash, misfits, creeps, low lifes, etc., etc., are these individuals, and the Black middleclass who praise, them!!

...and again the Los Angeles Sentinel is not worth the effort or investment for civil lawsuit. The parties being sued though, in Los Angeles Superior Court case #895188, are by far, well worth the investment, the time, the energy to be sued for damages.

....again, the Los Angeles Sentinel, is indeed a "Yellow Journal", that will eventually result in losing business opportunity, because it's customer base is primarily Black, and the Black customer base of the Los Sentinel, continues to shrink. I wouldn't be interested in purchasing a subscription. Instead I have chosen to subscribe to the world class Los Angeles Times, or on occasion, I will purchase the Los Angeles Daily News. The Los Angeles Times, and the Daily News, are more professional, would be less apt to publish falsehoods, and then not correct false information, which again, comes with the territory of professional journalism. The Los Angeles Sentinel newspaper is consider a tabloid, a "yellow journal". When The National Enquirer in a tabloid magazine is mentioned, this also brings to mind the Los Angeles Sentinel. Slim chance that the Sentinel will earn any Pulitzer prize honor for journalism. This is because the Los Angeles Sentinel does not have a history of publishing news worthy and/or accurate information.

Like the National Inquirer magazine, the Los Angeles Sentinel Newspaper amounts to a tabloid!

The Los Angeles Times Wins Pulitzer Prize honors for 2005!

...now as for promoting homosexuality, gay rights, etc., etc., this is not a subject that I would have any interest in.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
"You WHITE poser, trying to come off as just a "black conservative"...

...I am not gonna debate with you something as silly as what is considered "charity" and what isn't, cuz when it really boils down to it, Mr. Jackson don't owe us S.HIT but to keep us entertained! ...Plus, he's done enough for his race in opening doors for so many black musicians following..." by Lashid

......again as I have stated before, I choose my own heroes, to which, the being benevolent to Caucasians over Black people wanna be Caucasian pervert Michael Jackson, Poverty Pimping Jesse Jackson, Poverty Pimping Al Sharpton, should be in prison O.J. Simpson, "Brentwood" Burke, former Congressman Walter "Felony" Tucker, Reverend H.H. "pimping" Brookins, no good serving foreign interests at the expense of Compton and South Los Angeles "no good illegal immigrant" Merv Dymally, ambulance chasing attorney Johnny Cochran, Carpetbagging Martin Ludlow, caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prositute in a government vehicle carpet bagging no good sleazy California State Assemblyman Kevin Murray, etc., etc., are very removed from being fit to be called a hero, or very remote from any group of individuals I would admire, and respect!

To each his own. Again, I choose my heroes, and not you!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

"... caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government vehicle..."

Does anyone happen to know the name and phone number of this women? (just kidding)

Mr. Lofton,

I believe you are far too harsh in your judgment of the people you have named. While it may be true that some of them have made mistakes and bad choices in their lives, it does not negate all the good that they have accomplished.

Each of them at some time has helped focused attention on some grievous injustice in our culture. To condemn them and everything they have accomplished for the poor, for the indigent, for the African American community, because of a sexual indiscretion or financial irregularity is a rational, logical, and philosophical error. "We are the sum of all the moments of our lives; all that is ours is in them". So wrote T. Wolfe in 1929.

One of your personal heroes may well be John Themias. But nobody knows who he is. When he climbs on top of his chair in South Central LA to condemn the self-serving nature of a congressional apology, no one will be there to hear what he has to say. It is a hard fact that it takes name recognition to attract media attention and John Themias just ain't gonna cut it.

It is a mistake to merge the man and the message. If these voices are silenced or minimized because their personal lives are not perfect, who will be left to speak against the injustices in our culture? Who will be left to speak for the poor, the indigent, the minorities. John Themias may be a perfect role model and his personal life may be above reproach but sadly, in this media age, he just doesn't carry much clout.

"... caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government vehicle..." published and documented

...in addition Kevin Murray, and/or many others use false pretenses to hold office, and most of these individuals do not have clue as to what it means to be an elected representative!

"I believe you are far too harsh in your judgment of the people you have named. While it may be true that some of them have made mistakes and bad choices in their lives, it does not negate all the good that they have accomplished.

Each of them at some time has helped focused attention on some grievous injustice in our culture. To condemn them and everything they have accomplished for the poor, for the indigent, for the African American community, because of a sexual indiscretion or financial irregularity is a rational, logical, and philosophical error. "We are the sum of all the moments of our lives; all that is ours is in them". So wrote T. Wolfe in 1929." by chilewillow

Nope, I'm one of many individuals who can prove that these individuals do not serve our community. As reality would have it our elected representatives and others in positions of influence are truly a disgrace, treasonous, and I'm not about to flip this script.

Those who have faced the reality of it, know for a fact these individuals do not represent the Black community, and it is not just me saying so!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
"... caught with his pants down while having lewd sex with a prostitute in a government vehicle..." published and documented

...in addition Kevin Murray, and/or many others use false pretenses to hold office, and most of these individuals do not have clue as to what it means to be an elected representative!

"I believe you are far too harsh in your judgment of the people you have named. While it may be true that some of them have made mistakes and bad choices in their lives, it does not negate all the good that they have accomplished.

Each of them at some time has helped focused attention on some grievous injustice in our culture. To condemn them and everything they have accomplished for the poor, for the indigent, for the African American community, because of a sexual indiscretion or financial irregularity is a rational, logical, and philosophical error. "We are the sum of all the moments of our lives; all that is ours is in them". So wrote T. Wolfe in 1929." by chilewillow

Nope, I'm one of many individuals who can prove that these individuals do not serve our community. As reality would have it our elected representatives and others in positions of influence are truly a disgrace, treasonous, and I'm not about to flip this script.

Those who have faced the reality of it, know for a fact these individuals do not represent the Black community, and it is not just me saying so!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Mr. Lofton,

Surely you will agree... and someone else made this point, that most politicians are of the same ilk, cut from the same cloth. Once elected, they seldom follow through on campaign promises. They become different people than they were when they were asking for your vote.

You are much better informed than I am about the behavior of the specific people you have named. And, if they are true, the above is not meant to excuse the charges you have made. But the majority of politicians, regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation... once elected become different people. They are ill-suited to handle the power and authority given to them and behave in a manner consistent with their own self interest. They do not act in the interests of their constituency. To believe that they will act in the best interests of the people who elected them is fanciful, wishful thinking.

I apologize if I sound pedantic, but what I have said is a given. The problem is timeless and is not specific to any one race. In our own democracy, part of the problem is that once elected, there is no way to hold elected officials accountable. We are stuck with them for two, four, or six years unless we are willing to go through the costly, time-consuming, and sometimes ineffectual recall process. In some ways I believe the parliamentary system is better, were a simple vote of no-confidence can rid a community of a worthless official.

And we all have faced the reality of it. Across the US there is hardly a community that is not saddled with some greedy, inept, incompetent public official. In my own community, we have a city councilman who has twice been censured by the State Elections Committee for taking bribes from the construction industry. And yet in November he was re-elected. Go figure!

And on a national scale we have all had to face the reality and incompetence of the Bush Administration and the thousands who have died because of his policies. At least 48% of us have no voice.

For my part, I would much rather have a President who drops his pants in the Oval Office than a President who drops bombs on children, women, and non-combatants, and sends hundreds of young Americans to die in a senseless war. But that's just me.

All of this is far-afield and has little to do with the MJ verdict. I apologize for the diversion.

Kind regards,
Chile Willow

...in any other community but the Black community, disgraceful, incompetent, criminal, treasonous, un-American, etc., elected officials are recalled, impeached, criminally indicted, exposed, etc., etc. If left up to the Black community misfits are kept in office!

demographic changes will eventually take care of this problem.

....and all elected officials are not corrupt, sleazy, unethical, etc., etc.

Forget the media, what are the men and women in uniform saying?

...Thus far President George Bush is doing a very good job as president. He is not unethical, sleazy, criminal, unfit, etc., like many of our own elected officials. Evidently he has more sense than to attempt to use false pretenses to hold office, play games, commit criminal acts, betray the American people, etc., etc.

I guess that is why bush's ratings are low on everything...from the war to the economy...but I hope you loyalists ride him all the way into the ground.....just like with reagean and bush1:


By the Numbers (June 7)


52%
Disapprove of President Bush's performance

48%
Approve of President Bush's performance

41%
Approve of Iraq policy

58%
Disapprove of Iraq policy



Source: ABCNews.com

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
...in any other community but the Black community, disgraceful, incompetent, criminal, treasonous, un-American, etc., elected officials are recalled, impeached, criminally indicted, exposed, etc., etc. If left up to the Black community misfits are kept in office!

demographic changes will eventually take care of this problem.

....and all elected officials are not corrupt, sleazy, unethical, etc., etc.

Forget the media, what are the men and women in uniform saying?

...Thus far President George Bush is doing a very good job as president. He is not unethical, sleazy, criminal, unfit, etc., like many of our own elected officials. Evidently he has more sense than to attempt to use false pretenses to hold office, play games, commit criminal acts, betray the American people, etc., etc.

Mr. Lofton,

I've read this link before "http ://africanamerica.org/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/9131049962".
And this link, "http://turningtables.blogspot.com/" is hardly one you can use to justify any position. Do you have anything new to add?

Perhaps you missed what I said in my previous post. At present, we have two city councilmen, both white, who have been censured by the State Elections Committee for taking bribes in the form of illegal campaign contributions. Just censure, nothing more. Tomorrow they will take their seats in chambers just as they have done for the last four and one half years. I believe my community would qualify under what you term "any other community".

Again, you missed what I previously said. I believe I used the words "most" and "majority", not "all". "Most" and "majority", are words referencing 51%, by common understanding.

Wait! Diana Krall is singing "Why Should I Care". Give me a moment and I'll get back to this.

Beautiful!

It is impossible to "forget the media". It invades every space in which we live. Without it, I couldn't even read "what the men and women in uniform are saying".

Whether or not George Bush is doing a good job, is unethical, sleazy, criminal, unfit... is a matter of opinion. At present, confidence in his ability to lead is eroding quickly. Try going to pollingreport.com, a site dedicated to every "scientific" poll imaginable. Pick a poll, any poll; pick the poll you choose to believe (sorry, that sounds funny!). There's something there for everyone and a poll to validate most any argument.

I think this topic has about run out of gas. Have a good evening, Mr. Lofton.

Kind regards,
Chile Willow

"I think this topic has about run out of gas." by Chile Willow

....not likely. More likely, the Democratic Party has run out of gas, steam, supporters, believers, etc.

......and more likely the Democratic Party is running out of options to continue to fool or decieve the poverty stricken, and/or the oppressed.

Since the sixties the Democratic Party has been large and in charge within the inner-city, yet the inner-city continues to be the most poverty stricken, underserved and misrepresented, void of free enterprise community within the U.S.

Basically, the social economic system controlled by the Democratic Party, is designed to keep the poor in poverty. Democratic machine politics doomed for failure social welfare programs, using AFDC benefits to break up the traditional Black family for profit, the proliferation of drug treatment centers and mental health clinics, penal incarceration for profit, the misuse of religious doctrine for profit, etc., etc., killing any loyalty that the oppressed, and/or the indigent would have for the liberal Democrats. The programs controlled by the Democrats benefit administrators, outsiders, and not the indigent or the oppressed.

In contrast, in most all Republican jurisdictions, evidence of poverty is virtually non-existent. Free enterprise reduces the need for social welfare benefits, and virtually reduces the tendency for anyone to resort to the subculture for their existence. In a free enterprise system, any able bodied individual with the will to work can rise above poverty.

Based on performance and results, the Democratic Party can't hold a candle to the Republican Party!

The ideals of the Democratic Party have yet to bring wealth into the inner-city, and that is a fact.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to take on characteristics that generate income, as opposed to the "doomed for failure" environment as created by the Democratic Party, in a "Hell on Earth", which is used to keep the poor in misery so that the liberal community, the liberal Democrats, and self serving Black elected leaders, can generate huge profits at the expense of the underclass!!

In every jurisdiction but the Black community, the people rule in California...

....and this is what makes California a good state. Elected officials are being tried and convicted of felonies for accepting bribes. Should any judge be indicted for violating the law the "Commission of Judicial Performance" which is an arm of the people will have the judge removed from the "bench".

....in any responsible community, elected officials, lawyers, judges, police officers, and/or other government employees are held accountable!

.....again, more likely, the liberal community, the Democrats are running out of steam, gas, losing supporters, etc.

As the reality hits home with the oppressed and the many indigent, it won't be long before many individuals lose respect for the Democratic Party. Taking charge of their own destiny, as opposed to being used by the sleazy, the greedy, and/or many of these pseudo advocates of the oppressed, is causing many individuals to defect from the Democratic Party!

Have a good evening, Chile Willow

quote:

By the Numbers (June 7)


52%
Disapprove of President Bush's performance

48%
Approve of President Bush's performance

41%
Approve of Iraq policy

58%
Disapprove of Iraq policy

Mr. Lofton,

The content of your last post is far too selective and reductive, and does not represent a balanced viewpoint. For this, I have no answer.

As Kevin41 has implied, statistically and factually the numbers just don't compute. Take care.

Kind regards,
Chile Willow

you never will have an answer chilewillow because you are not participating in a logical, objective discussion. It is just a matter of what one thinks is the truth being imposed on others. That is why I just chill on the talk and demonstrate why the statements are baseless with numbers and facts...and never even state my opinion....because even if true......it is a common tactic of those to use vague rhetoric to dismiss it without any proof of their own for their stance on the issue.....everyone knows that bush is a sorry azz president and that the country is in piss poor shape and the war in iraq was unnecessary and that bush leans with the right-wing to support anything adverse to blacks...as he did in the michigan AA case....any negro who still forges ahead like larry elder is just trying to show whites his "negroeness" as a way of feeling closer to racist whites and distant from blacks....i say let em all become right-wingers........as time goes and they no longer serve a purpose...they will all get the jc watts treatment.....or the treatment of alan keyes when there was no use for him in 2000....maybe they'll learn...and if they do not....they are getting what they deserve......

Latest Poll numbers......I wonder what his supporters are supporting.......

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-06-20-poll.htm

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
Latest Poll numbers......I wonder what his supporters are supporting.......

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-06-20-poll.htm

Whoops! I guess he needs to crank-up the terrorism scare again. Paranoia is declining and with it his ratings. I guess he's ridden that pony about as far as it will take him.

quote:

Originally posted by chilewillow:

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
Latest Poll numbers......I wonder what his supporters are supporting.......

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2005-06-20-poll.htm

Whoops! I guess he needs to crank-up the terrorism scare again. Paranoia is declining and with it his ratings. I guess he's ridden that pony about as far as it will take him.

and the cold part about it is....it took these backwoods people this long to see he was a sham in favor of big businesses owned by white males in the energy and defense sectors? Once these people wake up and smell the coffee, they will see that all progress has been stripped away...but personally i believe w was elected because he gives whites a sense of nationalism...and it was too much for many of them to see blacks sharing prosperity in the nineties......so they were willing to cut of THEIR noses to spite MY face.....what a group of rocket scientists.......

"The content of your last post is far too selective and reductive, and does not represent a balanced viewpoint. For this, I have no answer.

As Kevin41 has implied, statistically and factually the numbers just don't compute. Take care." by Chilewillow

.....but the Democratic Party, through our own elected leadership has been large and in charge since the 60s, yet more Black men and women are in prison than ever, which is not the fault of the Bush Admininistration!

....and the statistics as referenced by Kevin41, are not in any regard responsible for this reality!

...so much for Kevin41 and his method of attempting to duck the major issue, which has nothing to due with any "President Bush Poll", be it pro or con!

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College to Lose Stamp of Approval
Compton campus is to be stripped of its accreditation over fiscal and administrative problems, threatening its ability to stay open.
By Peter Y. Hong and Rebecca Trounson
Times Staff Writers

June 21, 2005

The academic agency that evaluates the state's two-year colleges has decided to strip Compton Community College of its accreditation at summer's end because of financial and administrative problems, officials said Monday. The action threatens the 6,600-student school's ability to remain open.

State and college officials are scrambling to find ways to appeal the accreditation move and to keep the college operating "” perhaps by merging its governing district with another community college district. Without accreditation, the campus would be ineligible for the state funds that are its main source of revenue and its students could not receive federal financial aid.

Beset by financial mismanagement and allegations of corruption for several years, Compton is the first community college in California to be so threatened with the loss of accreditation, according to the California Community Colleges chancellor's office.

The state chancellor took over the troubled campus and put it under the control of a state-appointed trustee last year, turning its elected board into an advisory body.

The nongovernmental Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges announced Monday that it would terminate Compton Community College's accreditation, but not until Aug. 19 to allow students to complete summer classes.

Beyond its effect on funding, accreditation is seen as a stamp of approval of a school's quality and allows other campuses to accept its transfer credits.

If the accreditation is lost, "it basically makes the place unworkable," said California Community Colleges Chancellor Marshall "Mark" Drummond. But the chancellor said Monday that it is difficult to predict the odds of the college closing.

Drummond said Monday that he anticipated his system's board of governors and the college would take at least the first step toward an appeal by requesting that the commission review its decision.

He said one possibility would be for the accrediting agency to put the college back on the probationary status it has been on recently, allowing more time to address the problems.

If a request for review is rejected, the college could then ask for a formal appeal. During both a review and appeal process, the college would remain accredited.

Drummond also is exploring whether another college could be contracted to run Compton's scheduled courses or agree to merge with the troubled college.

The chancellor, who described himself as shocked by the commission's decision, said he had thought the campus was making reasonable progress toward resolving its problems.

"I would guess they lost patience," he said, referring to the accreditors. "Although my feeling since we got in there has been that it's probably a two- or three-year process to get the place completely up to snuff. Now, suddenly the rug is jerked out from under us."

In October, the chancellor released an audit identifying numerous problems at the college, including potentially illegal practices of steering contracts and jobs to relatives of officials and out-of-control spending in the past. It did not list names or say how widespread those practices might be.

The college has been under federal and local criminal investigations for possible corruption, but no one has been charged with any wrongdoing.

The state also called for a written code of ethics and for board members to undergo training to better understand budgets. It recommended that the college hire a permanent business officer and a new auditor, streamline its administration to give the president more power and improve ways to measure student achievement.

In April, the accreditation commission reviewed those problems identified in the state report and found that the college had made progress in straightening out its finances, but "there is still much to do to bring the college into compliance with accreditation standards."

The commission also found that the college failed to properly counsel students on transferring to four-year colleges and did not evaluate faculty adequately.

Barbara A. Beno, executive director of the community college accrediting commission, said Monday that Compton College was warned over several years about such issues as "very serious governance problems" caused by the actions of its elected board.

Drummond said turnover in management since the state takeover also may have figured in the accrediting decision.

In February, longtime college President Ulis C. Williams was put on administrative leave, which Williams said was forcing him to retire.

Compton's state special trustee, Arthur Q. Tyler, and its interim president, Rita Cepeda, are both leaving the district this summer to take jobs elsewhere.

"I think all that was probably looked at as just indicative of more chaos at Compton Community College," Drummond said.

Jamillah Moore, the state system's senior vice chancellor for governmental and external relations, had been tapped to arrive on campus in early July to ease the transition from Cepeda to another still-to-be-appointed interim campus leader. Instead, she flew in from Sacramento on Monday morning to help deal with the crisis.

"We're all in shock because we really felt we were making progress," Moore said. "I guess they felt we weren't making it fast enough.

Members of the Compton Community College District Board of Trustees said Monday that they were stunned by the loss of accreditation.

"I'm still in a daze," said board member Lorraine Cervantes, who ran for the board in 2003 on a reformist platform. "We've been working really hard trying to correct problems that have been here for years," she said.

Carl Robinson, a board member who has served off and on since 1980 and for whom the school's science building is named, blamed the state's takeover for the accreditation loss.

"The state has been there a year and a month and just really messed up the college," he said.

Robinson said the state's harsh pronouncements about the school's problems drew the accreditors' scrutiny.

News of the accreditation loss came on the first day of summer classes at the campus off Artesia Boulevard, where most students are African American and Latino.

Some faculty, staff and students gathered in the student lounge Monday morning to hear the news from Tyler and Cepeda.

District spokesman Stan Myles said they were told that the summer session would continue and that "they should not feel worried in any way."

Shalita Evans, 29, said her instructor in an ethnic studies class talked about the problems during Monday's class. Students are anxious about what they would do if the school closed and whether their credits would transfer.

"Everybody was so puzzled and stressed, we couldn't focus on class," said Evans, who graduated from Compton in 1999 and was back to take a class fulfilling a requirement for a bachelor's degree at Cal State Dominguez Hills. "Everybody was upset and disappointed, saying this was their only hope."

The college, she emphasized, "is a part of the community and it should stay open."

Willie Middlebrook, a full-time instructor in digital photography and computer graphics for the last five years, said students and faculty were being smeared for the failings of the college's administration over the years.

"I personally don't think that's fair," said Middlebrook, who graduated from Compton 30 years ago and said he thought enough changes can be made over the next few months to ensure the school remains open.

Meanwhile, he said, students can still get a good education there: "We're as good or better than any community college."

Patrick McLaughlin, an English professor who has taught at Compton for 33 years, said: "I am more disappointed than I am nervous. I just think it's a real tragedy that they would consider not accrediting or closing a community college with a long history like this one has. There is a real need."

He said he is "confident that we'll pull out of this. We have the talent here that can do this, given an adequate amount of time and a fair hearing."

Times staff writer Natasha Lee contributed to this report.

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.....and the potential loss of accreditation of Compton College,

.......and the turmoil at Killer/Butcher King

.....the environment in the inner-city where the masses of Black people live, or die.....

.....the unwarranted and unlawful break-up of the Black family structure for profit, and many other atrocities....

......have more to do with Black incompetence, an inept Black elected leadership, a disgraceful Black middleclass and/or Democratic Party influence....

.......than any connection to the Republican Party, President George Bush, and/or the Bush Administration! It is so much easier to blame the demise of the Black community on the Bush Administration, because this just gives the Black middleclass, and/or our own inept leadership, a useless excuse to do nothing but play the blame game!

....and again, it is not just me saying so!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

I figured there would be a hard right turn from that Bush is doing a great job nonsense....sure enough.....

by the way Lofton.....i read your post in the other board where you were ranting to racist whites about how f-ked up black people are....and you stated that you have been republican for ten years now....that is good and fine...but i wonder what republicans are doing for your community....you complain about illegals...but republicans use them for cheap labor.....you obviously against anything for blacks so i expect the rest....but what is it that bush is doing for you...or dennis praeger? have those white folks heard your case and offered you help or sympathy?

Mr. Lofton,

One of the citation in your last post, "Prison in the Cards" appears to be inconsistent with the statement you made to link to the document. I quote from that document:

"The Bush Administration has taken a do-nothing approach to the fact that the imprisonment of underprivileged African-Americans has reached epidemic proportions".

and...

"Let's make sure we're the country of the second chance," President Bush told the crowd, without mentioning how his administration would rectify the federally-instituted denial of student loans, public housing, or welfare to any person convicted of a drug crime".

An oversight on your part, perhaps?

Surely the political party in power bears some responsibility to the people to rectify an injustice, does it not?

Kind regards,
Chile Willow

"by the way Lofton.....i read your post in the other board where you were ranting to racist whites about how f-ked up black people are....and you stated that you have been republican for ten years now....that is good and fine...but i wonder what republicans are doing for your community....you complain about illegals...but republicans use them for cheap labor.....you obviously against anything for blacks so i expect the rest....but what is it that bush is doing for you...or dennis praeger? have those white folks heard your case and offered you help or sympathy?"

The Caucasian community has known about this information for years. The Caucasian legal counsel for the LAUSD have already admitted guilt to each and every allegation as charged. Caucasians have created and appointed Black people in positions of influence to resolve Los Angeles Superior Court case #895188.

In each case, our own elected officials have chosen to join the ranks of the perpetrators, in that these individuals, speaking of our own Black elected leaders, and others in positions of influence, are indeed treasonous.

It is not the responsibility of the Caucasian community to be the first to step up to the plate in cases where they have admitted guilt, and will also be held responsible for paying out the settlement.

....and again the Bush Administration is not responsible for the demise of the Black community. The failure of our own elected representatives, legal community, church community, and/or others in positions of influence to competently serve our community have more to do with the demise of the Black community!

Our own elected officials, lawyers, and/or others are in fact a disgrace, and again it is not just me saying so!

....and again I'm not about to flip this script.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Also, Mr. Lofton,

In your citation "and it's not just me saying so", the administrator of this web site lists

"Rodney King Arrested On Drugs and Flashing Charges"...

in his index of articles to support his initial statement.

I wonder if you might explain to me what Rodney King's arrest on these charges has to do with his previous encounter with the Los Angeles Police Department; to wit, the savage and brutal beating he experienced at the hands of LA police officers.

Also, I'm curious to know how Mr. King's arrest supports the authors theme that the "media's choice of black leader is abominable". Rodney King may be many things but he is hardly looked upon as a "black leader".

Just curious.

Kind regards,
ChileWillow

Mr. Lofton,

When I first joined this forum, I believed that you were a sincere man, with sincere concerns about the corruption within the African American community. Your ideas differed from mine, but as I said, I believed you were sincere and were entitled to your opinion.

A few minutes ago I decided out of curiosity to follow one of your links to find-out a little more about you. I came to your post dated January 16th, 2004 at 11:17 PM., the one beginning "Some people would say that I'm crazy...".

I read a few words of the nonsense you posted and then followed the link you associated with this vituperative epiphany. I was not totally surprised to discover the document referenced by the link – "Why the Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday Should Be Repealed" – but I was surprised when I saw that the document was created by http://www.creator.org/, an extreme racist, right-wing "Christian" web site.

I wish someone had warned me... or maybe they tried to.

This web-site is affiliated and publishes links to some of the most blatant hate-groups in world, including...

Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Volkermord.com
Klanstore.com
Radiowhite.com
Whitelegionknights.org
White Power Forum
Aryanradio.com
Radical Hate Music
Celticreign.com
Skinburgos
Purehaterecords.tk
Retaliator Skinhead Nation...

And the list goes on and on. There are 88 hate-site links on http://www.creator.org/

That you are allowed to associate these groups with AfricanAmerica.org is beyond me. It is all the more reason that members should probably be screened.

Our conversation is finished.

ChileWillow

Well Chilewillow and/or any one else of similar expression!

"In your citation "and it's not just me saying so", the administrator of this web site lists

"Rodney King Arrested On Drugs and Flashing Charges"...

in his index of articles to support his initial statement.

I wonder if you might explain to me what Rodney King's arrest on these charges has to do with his previous encounter with the Los Angeles Police Department; to wit, the savage and brutal beating he experienced at the hands of LA police officers....

.....Also, I'm curious to know how Mr. King's arrest supports the authors theme that the "media's choice of black leader is abominable". Rodney King may be many things but he is hardly looked upon as a "black leader".

Just curious." by Chilewillow

...it is you who have used this material to bring up Rodney King. Rodney King, is very far from being a hero. Rodney King is a career criminal and a felon. A few Los Angeles police officers made the grave mistake of using excessive force, lying about it, and covering-up criminal wrongdoing, which was captured by video by Mr. George Holliday, a Caucasian.

....."just blows holes in misinformation,...mind you misinformation that it must be all the fault of "racist" Caucasians,

........ a good samaritan, such as, Mr. George Holliday, just doesn't exist

.......if left up to the erroneous message of the Black "racist" race card players on this message board, and other sources of "playing the race card game", a practice that is indeed useless, much less than factual, and/or very counter-productive.

Make no mistake, had Mr. Holliday not captured this video, not a one of us would know about the Rodney King beating police atrocity. Rodney King would have been like so many other Black men, receiving similar mistreatment,.......

........mistreatment as applied to just another wrongful police beating, maiming, killing, or shooting, being swept under the carpet, to which the media, the Black community, any other community, nor the world for that matter would have been informed of this atrocity, period, period, period.

Since it is you, who bring up the plight of Rodney King, and not me, perhaps I should pull more references from this link, that are both factual, and real, which are not dependent on the KKK, the aryan nation, Caucasians, racists, etc., for proof!!!

My only interest in the link, is to augment my own material, in that No Good Reverend Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Maxine "Kerosene" Waters, etc., etc., are indeed a disgrace.

"When I first joined this forum, I believed that you were a sincere man, with sincere concerns about the corruption within the African American community. Your ideas differed from mine, but as I said, I believed you were sincere and were entitled to your opinion.....

.......I read a few words of the nonsense you posted and then followed the link you associated with this vituperative epiphany. I was not totally surprised to discover the document referenced by the link – "Why the Martin Luther King, Jr. Holiday Should Be Repealed" – but I was surprised when I saw that the document was created by This web-site is affiliated and publishes links to some of the most blatant hate-groups in world, including" By Chilewillow

..it is not what you or I believe that matters, but rather it is the truth that matters. What difference does it make where the source of the truth originates?

Corretta Scott King has even asked, or worse yet begged the FBI, and/or other government authorities to conceal the truth about Dr. Martin Luther King....conceal the fact that Martin Luther King cheated on his wife, he had mistresses, he took credit for literary writing that was not his, etc.

In addition, Corretta Scott King, wanted the Hollywood movie industry to produce a movie about the true story of Dr. Martin Luther King's life. Hollywood movie producers responded, the response being in essence, any movie about Dr. Martin Luther King, that is financed by the motion picture industry must include the reality of it, the reality of it that Dr. Martin Luther King cheated on his wife, plagarized, supported subversive organizations, was sacreligious, etc., etc.

Corrett Scott King did not want this truth to be circulated in motion picture outlets, thus this is where it stands, meaning Hollywood is not going to produce a movie about "King" that is not factual. Anyone who expects to be depicted in a good light, should make it their business to be ethical, moral, honest, respectful, or other good human qualities to begin with, to eliminate the possibility of any discrediting material, that can not be disproved, ever being published about your life.

The solution to prevent having anything published to discredit your good character or name, is to be of good character to begin with, so that no one can publish information to prove that you have cheated on your wife, plagarized, had mistresses, etc., etc. This would be especially true for any preacher. Can't on one hand talk about the sins of others, and in the same breath be a sinner in a big way yourself. A preacher must always practice what he preaches, or if not, his or her name will be dragged through the mud, and rightfully so.

....This being said, Dr. Martin Luther King, and/or others have reduced their own self worth, that can't be blamed on the KKK, volkermord, Klanstore, Radiowhite, Whitelegionknights, White Power Forum, Aryanradio, Radical Hate Music, Celticreign, Skinburgos, Purehaterecords, Retaliator Skinhead Nation, etc. It is you who made this association and not I, so perhaps you should follow your own advice!

...as if to say, the truth about Dr. Martin Luther King, has not been published by other reputable sources!

....and again I choose my own heroes, and not you! None of the heroes to which I have chosen, face the music that Dr. Martin Luther King faces, meaning information that sticks that can destroy your credibility. So far, I have been ethical, moral, honest, and law abiding, so that no one, can publish any information as published about Dr. Martin Luther King to destroy my good character! My credibility will be just as strong going in, as leaving, thus my response remains the same.

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"......The district may be his heart and soul, but until recently, it was not Wesson's home "” although he has had a long history of representing parts of the district at the state level."

.......Like carpet bagging deceitful Martin Ludlow....

.........Herb Wesson is yet one more sleazy carpet-bagging individual, to which the Los Angeles Times makes it very clear from this excerpt that Herb Wesson is indeed a carpet bagger.

Win or lose, as soon as the special election, or future election, is over, Herb Wesson will move back to his true residence, which is not within the 10th Los Angeles City Council District!

.....just proves that is very easy to prove that far too many our own leaders are disgraceful, liars, fraudulent, deceitful, ignorant, un-American, etc.

Unlike Herb Wesson, I'm a resident of the 10th District, and have been a resident for well over twenty years.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

It is funny how someone who comes from a dysfunctional unit themselves can point fingers and name call in the manner they do. It is funny how Dr. King and the related Civil Rights movement is responsible for the entry of black men into fields they were historically excluded because they were black. Some can relate to the problems their own people had as black men yet still degrade black people as the cause of their problems. Life is funny...and I now see at this age why people who have malice in their hearts are usually dealt a schitty hand in life themselves......I guess what they do is a ploy to make others feel as miserable as they do......which does not work....that individual usually becomes more self-tormenting until the wear and tear on their bodies start to contribute to a premature demise.......life is really funny like that sometimes.......

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
It is funny how someone who comes from a dysfunctional unit themselves can point fingers and name call in the manner they do. It is funny how Dr. King and the related Civil Rights movement is responsible for the entry of black men into fields they were historically excluded because they were black. Some can relate to the problems their own people had as black men yet still degrade black people as the cause of their problems. Life is funny...and I now see at this age why people who have malice in their hearts are usually dealt a schitty hand in life themselves......I guess what they do is a ploy to make others feel as miserable as they do......which does not work....that individual usually becomes more self-tormenting until the wear and tear on their bodies start to contribute to a premature demise.......life is really funny like that sometimes.......

Sorry, Kevin, but I don't see the humor in defaming a great man who sacrificed so much for other people. Even the greatest of men make bad choices and you can find them if you selectively look for them. To imply that these are the sum total of Dr. King's life just sucks and is infuriating.

His obvious purpose is to agitate everyone and because I'm new, I have to ask... why is he here?

ChileWillow

when I say funny...i mean odd or weird...damn sure not humorous..but he is just in here as a distraction and serves no informative purpose whatsoever. He says really dumb things like Dr. King or Affirmative Action did nothing for him...It is easy to refute any and everything he says because it is all based on internal afliction and not factual knowledge...for instance, a black electrician in LA thinking AA did not help him.....read below:


The Clinton administration, in its review of governmental affirmative action policies, found that active federal enforcement during the 1970s "caused government contractors to increase moderately their hiring of minority workers. According to one study, for example, the employment share of black males in contractor firms increased from 5.8 percent in 1974 to 6.7 percent in 1980. In non-contractor firms, the black male share increased more modestly, from 5.3 percent to 5.9 percent."

A significant number of the 1.3 million black government employees owe their jobs (or promotions to managerial rank) to affirmative action. Corporate affirmative action programs (some voluntary, others reflecting consent decrees in response to government pressure) have opened up managerial ranks, though not yet the very top echelons, to minorities and women.

Any assessment of the expansion of employment opportunities over the past three decades must take into account, in Jerome Karabel's words, "how exclusionary many labor markets were in 1965 not only in high-status professions such as law, medicine, and academe but also in strategic working-class domains such as construction unions and police and fire departments." Karabel notes that while increased minority representation in the professions is widely recognized, "the record in certain blue-collar jobs is just as impressive. For example, between 1970 and 1990, the number of black electricians more than tripled (from 14,145 to 43,276) and the number of black police officers increased almost as rapidly (from 23,796 to 63,855)." A significant portion of these gains is attributable to affirmative action plans applicable to unions and local governments. Aggregate gains in employment and promotion for women and minorities have continued during the past decade, considered by some to have been a period of diminished attention to equity.

Effects on wages appear to have been modest. According to a benchmark report by James Smith and Finis Welch, "the racial wage gap narrowed as rapidly in the 20 years prior to 1960 (and before affirmative action) as during the 20 years afterward." The report argues that "slowly evolving historical forces," such as education and migration, "were the primary determinants of the long-term black economic improvement. At best, affirmative action has marginally altered black wage gains about this long-term trend."

Aggregate effects on higher education enrollments appear to have been larger. In 1955, only 4.9 percent of college students ages 18-24 were black. This figure rose to 6.5 percent during the next five years, but by 1965 had slumped back to 4.9 percent. Only in the wake of affirmative action measures in the late 1960s and early 1970s did the percentage of black college students begin to climb steadily: to 7.8 percent in 1970, 9.1 percent in 1980, and 11.3 percent in 1990. Educational gains for Hispanics have been less impressive. According to a recent report based on Census Bureau statistics, Hispanics holding bachelor's or advanced degrees rose from 5 percent of the Hispanic population in 1970 to 9 percent in 1994. (These figures exclude recent immigrants.) By contrast, blacks holding bachelor's or advanced degrees rose from 4.5 percent of the black population to 12.9 percent during the same period.

Overall, the past three decades have witnessed huge growth in the black middle class, educational attainment, incomes of black married couples relative to white married couples, and suburbanization, along with a substantial decline in overall black poverty rates. These gains are attributable to a complex of causes: national economic growth, a decline in discriminatory attitudes and practices by whites, and programs -- including affirmative action -- targeted to African-Americans. While we can sometimes trace the quantitative impact of single causes within particular economic or educational organizations, it is far more difficult to ascertain the relative contribution of each factor to the aggregate gains of recent decades.

In conjunction with other broad economic and social trends, these positive changes have led to what Seymour Martin Lipset has characterized as "growing differentiation" within the black community. On one side, there is now a burgeoning black middle class; on the other, there are the ghetto poor, economically and socially isolated from the rest of society. These poor people belong primarily to two groups: single mothers and their minor children, and young men who have dropped out of both high school and the labor force.

As numerous scholars have argued, affirmative action programs have not had significant positive consequences for the bulk of the ghetto poor; nor are they likely to. The reason is straightforward: these programs work most effectively when they remove barriers to opportunity for those who possess the credentials to succeed or who are strongly motivated to acquire them within established norms and institutions.

......in California, Affirmative Action has been ruled un-Constitutional because AA is unfair, and it has yet to benefit the rank and file, one of the rank and file being Michael Lofton!

....and Martin Luther King defamed himself, by being a hypocrit. Martin Luther King is not some great man or idol as depicted. I'm not about to pay tribute to him, because he is not in any regard an ingredient to my success.

.....again neither Martin Luther King, nor any other Black preacher, civil rights leader, nor AA are responsible for my success. One thing is certain, Hollywood is not about to make any movie on the life of Dr. Martin Luther King, unless his good qualities, as well as his, sacreligious qualities are depicted in the film. End of discussion.

I only give credit where it is due!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

It benefitted you....you are just too fucking stupid to realize it..and affirmative action was considered constitutional by the highest court in the land.....which just proves that you will go along with racists just to be against black people....for the very things you benefitted from yourself. You know that you benefitted from it....just like you benefitted from Dr. King's work anytime you take your azz somewhere and do not have to sit in the colored section. I have a bachelor's, masters and doctorate and affirmative action helped me....it gave me a chance to compete.....that is all....the rest was on me to do the work and come out ahead of others......you are a electrician......and the stats indicated how the number increased over the years....so Lofton, what special skill do you have that exempted you from needing what other black electricians did to enter their field. I am sure they are as qualified, if not more than you are.

I see the bigger picture now....your family was called out on some obvious deficiency that you want to blame on blacks.....but you and I both know that black social workers did not pick your family out of the clear blue sky...there had to be something that brought your family to their attention....but just like your stupid azz comments about a congressman being an illegal immigrant....you will never look inward at the dumb azz ludicrous things you say....so that whole thing about your family is just some bullschit act of denial. Couple that with that flaky azz political approach your people had in the 10th district...which was probably based on lies and slander.......you ended up being the sore azz loser you are today.....but like the immigrant thing...I bet you cannot outline why the things that benefitted black people en masse did not benefit you. Please explain how you were exempted from that which benefitted the whole race in america........what makes you so damn special that you did not need the social benefits I did? What made you be able to eat in white restaurants during segregation? what allowed you to be an electrician and not need AA to allow your entry into the profession when black men with credentials waaaaaay above yours did? see if you can logically answer the question and not go into that unrelated, adult ADD bullschit you always do..........

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For example, between 1970 and 1990, the number of black electricians more than tripled (from 14,145 to 43,276) and the number of black police officers increased almost as rapidly (from 23,796 to 63,855)."

If AA did not benefit you it is because you did not get off of your azz and utilize the opportunities available for you.......you may have just sat on your lazy azz and became a household handyman who breaks more schit than he fixes....and let your own personal lack of motivation be an excuse to blame it on blacks......the statement below eludes to your type.....I am sure you are lazy....because if you cannot get off of your azz to even type in proof for those asinine azz statements you try to present as fact, you are not probably going to get off of your azz to accomplish much else....i know quite a few of you inner city azz loser negroes who do not want anyone else to advance so you can feel better about your own sorry azz state in life....I have met quite a few here in LA....and the sad part is...these are the negroes who needed AA the most....they were less-than-average performers at a less-than-average school....barely have above a remedial learning ability.....but blames their own lack of effort on someone else....you always talk about people blaming shit on caucasians...when racism is true and documented....but you use black people as a excuse for your own damn sorry azz lack of motivation........and black people aren't trying to do schit to you or your community......many of us do not even understand what we are up against....and the rest are trying to get theirs........

The reason is straightforward: these programs work most effectively when they remove barriers to opportunity for those who possess the credentials to succeed or who are strongly motivated to acquire them within established norms and institutions.

....same response which is....


......in California, Affirmative Action has been ruled un-Constitutional because AA is unfair, and it has yet to benefit the rank and file, one of the rank and file being Michael Lofton!

....and Martin Luther King defamed himself, by being a hypocrit. Martin Luther King is not some great man or idol as depicted. I'm not about to pay tribute to him, because he is not in any regard an ingredient to my success.

.....again neither Martin Luther King, nor any other Black preacher, civil rights leader, nor AA are responsible for my success. One thing is certain, Hollywood is not about to make any movie on the life of Dr. Martin Luther King, unless his good qualities, as well as his, sacreligious qualities are depicted in the film. End of discussion.

I only give credit where it is due!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

so I see you will not research your field and se where brothers like you were first given rights of inclusion...the same old intellectually lazy azz responses......

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
so I see you will not research your field and se where brothers like you were first given rights of inclusion...the same old intellectually lazy azz responses......

.....there is no need for me to research this, because AA has nothing to do with my success.

....and it is a waste of my valuable time to attempt to explain this to any professor, or instructor on the university level, who can think of nothing but nonsense, or who would prefer to be anything but on the level or being truthful.

One major function of any teacher is to search for the truth, to be truthful, etc., but somehow, time and time again, at least one teacher, namely Kevin41, has no interest in being truthful or searching for the truth.

.....which means that it is useless, unproductive, and a waste of time to hold a conversation, or have any form of communication exchange, with someone who should be truthful. This would be especially the case as it applies to any teacher or preacher, because this calling above many other professions would mandate or require the individual to be ethical, truthful, honorable, etc.!!!!

.....and as for civil rights activists in any Jesse Jackson, Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, the NAACP, PUSH, SCLC, our own elected officials in any "Brentwood Burke", serving foreign interests no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, Kerosene Waters, Diane Watson, Dave Cunningham, Martin Ludlow, etc., that so called black middleclass, Black lawyers, Black foster care providers, Black social workers, Black probation officers, Black preachers, etc.,

......when the opportunity presented itself for the individuals and/or organizations to be ethical, step up to the plate, obey the law, show some compassion, have some degree of competency, prove that they are not lazy and uncouth, have something else on the agenda other than game playing, self-serving, treasonous, and/or deceitful......

..........in every instance these individuals have no desire or intention to be constructive. This being said, based on their actions, these individuals deserve nothing less than condemnation.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Kevin41:

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By the Numbers (June 7)


52%
Disapprove of President Bush's performance

48%
Approve of President Bush's performance

41%
Approve of Iraq policy

58%
Disapprove of Iraq policy

Zogby America Poll June 20-22, 2005. N=1,000 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.2. RV = registered voters.

"Overall, how would you rate President Bush's performance on the job . . . ?"

Excellent/Good = 44%

Fair/Poor = 56%

What does that tell you? He is wringing the very racists who put him in office to be punitive to others...but you have negroes relegated to the worse of everything supporting the party of rich WASPS......yet cannot understand the racist actions that created their environment...or what type of politics they actually benefitted from......but they know....because if white folks loved em so......they would be on there way and not in here saying none of that crazy azz nonsense to us....but here they are.....

"ATLANTA "” For the first time in decades, the NAACP on Saturday named a business executive "” not a minister, political figure or grass-roots activist "” as its leader.

Bruce S. Gordon, former president of retail markets at Verizon Communications, said that under his leadership, the NAACP would increase its emphasis on entrepreneurial growth and economic justice in the black community.

He also said the venerable civil rights organization should transcend partisan politics and build its ties with the Bush White House. "Our organization needs to have a relationship on both sides of the aisle," said Gordon, 59. "We have a very polarized country, and I don't like that."

Gordon becomes president and chief executive of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People at a sensitive time. Bush has refused four invitations to speak at the organization's summer convention, the first president since Herbert Hoover to do so.

In November, the Internal Revenue Service began an investigation of the NAACP's taxexempt status as a nonpartisan organization after authorities said board Chairman Julian Bond had crossed the line in a speech criticizing Bush policies and the Iraq war.

Gordon's predecessor, former Maryland congressman Kweisi Mfume, resigned the same month, shortly before public allegations that he engaged in favoritism. Mfume had led the organization for nine years, and soon afterward announced a run as a Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Maryland.

As the NAACP began a search for a new leader "” winnowing down a field of 254 applicants "” critics said the group risked losing its relevance, especially to young people.

At its meeting Saturday, the NAACP board of directors formally selected Gordon, who will become president in July after completing contract negotiations. The choice of Gordon, observers said, could engage a generation of young African Americans who see entrepreneurship as a central goal.

"There are a lot of African Americans who admire black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."

Gordon spent 35 years at Verizon, beginning as a management trainee and finishing as president of retail markets. When he left the company, Gordon oversaw a business unit that employed 34,000 people and recorded $25 billion in sales. In 2002, Fortune magazine ranked him the sixth most powerful black executive in America.

Still, his name remained unknown within activist circles, said Ron Daniels, executive director of the New York-based Center for Constitutional Rights.

"The fact that I don't know him causes me some pause," Daniels said. "I think the verdict is still very much out. Right now, I think black America faces some of the most serious challenges in the last half-century. This is a moment when you want someone who is going to be a champion."

Founded in 1909 by a multiracial group of activists, the 500,000-member NAACP has long served as the nation's leading civil rights organization, monitoring equal opportunity laws and conducting voter mobilization drives. It is governed by a 64-member board of directors, headed by Bond. The last business figure to serve as leader of the NAACP was Walter White, an Atlanta insurance executive, who served from 1931 to 1955.

As its president, Gordon will be the official spokesman for the organization.

Gordon said Saturday that he was raised by activist parents "” his father was the founder of the Camden, N.J., branch of the NAACP "” but that he chose as a young man to push for change from within powerful organizations. At Verizon, he founded a networking program to help African American executives advance within the company, and participated in the Executive Leadership Council, a nonprofit working for black representation in corporate America.

"I get a little sensitive if someone implies to me that I wasn't doing anything," Gordon said. "If my parents' generation went through all they did "” up to and including sacrificing their lives "” if no one went through those doors, their efforts would have been in vain. I think I did exactly what they dreamed I would do."

Gordon said that he was a registered Democrat, but that he had contributed to campaigns of both Democratic and Republican candidates. He praised the Bush administration for putting resources behind AIDS treatment and implementing the No Child Left Behind Act. He gave no comment on the war in Iraq, saying his "feelings are not relevant to this mission." But he added one proviso:

"I believe in inclusion," Gordon said. "I believe in respect for all God's children. I think that we as a country have not been ... sensitive or considerate of the people we are at war with."

After Gordon's news conference, Nicholas Wiggins, a member of the NAACP's youth council, said Gordon was "a figure young people can relate to." Wiggins, 23, said his peers cared deeply about economic security and employment.

"The old image is marching through the streets with Martin Luther King," Wiggins said. "The new image is making sure that the African American community and communities of color are represented in the boardroom."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times"

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.....the Bush Administration has many supporters, from all walks of life.

....and again, this is yet more reason as to why it is a waste of time responding to Kevin41, or anyone else of similar misguided thinking!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

.....the Bush Administration has many supporters, from all walks of life.

....and again, this is yet more reason as to why it is a waste of time responding to Kevin41, or anyone else of similar misguided thinking!

Poll: Disapproval of Bush at high point
President's best marks on terrorism, worst on Social Security

(CNN) -- The number of Americans disapproving of President Bush's job performance has risen to the highest level of his presidency, according to the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday.

According to the poll, 53 percent of respondents said they disapproved of Bush's performance, compared to 45 percent who approved.

The margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.

The 53 percent figure was the highest disapproval rating recorded in the CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll since Bush became president in January 2001.

The approval percentage -- 45 percent -- matches a low point set in late March. The 8-point gap between those who disapproved and approved was the largest recorded during Bush's tenure.

As Bush prepares to address the nation Tuesday to defend his Iraq policy, just 40 percent of those responding to the poll said they approved of his handling of the war; 58 percent said they disapproved. (Full story)

The approval rating on Iraq was unchanged from a poll in late May, and the disapproval figure marked an increase of 2 percentage points.

But the poll also found that issues other than the Iraq war may be dragging down Bush's numbers.

Respondents expressed even stronger disapproval of his handling of the economy, energy policy, health care and Social Security.

The lone bright spot for the president in the poll was his handling of terrorism, which scored a 55 percent approval rating, compared to just 41 percent who disapproved.

The president's worst numbers in the latest poll came on the issue of Social Security, with respondents disapproving of his performance by a margin of more than 2-to-1 -- 64 percent to 31 percent.

Bush has made changing the Social Security system a signature issue of his second term.

He has proposed creating voluntary government-sponsored personal retirement accounts for workers 55 and younger.

Under his proposal, workers could invest a portion of their Social Security taxes in a range of government-selected funds in exchange for lower guaranteed benefits at retirement.

The plan has run into stiff opposition from Democrats, who say the accounts are too risky and will undermine the Social Security system. Some Republicans also are wary of taking on such a politically risky idea.

On the economy, only 41 percent of poll respondents said they approved of Bush's performance, compared to 55 percent who disapproved.

On energy policy, only 36 percent approved, while 53 percent disapproved; and on health care, 34 percent approved and 59 percent disapproved.

The poll results were based on interviews from Friday to Sunday with 1,009 American adults.

even the stupid come their senses eventually....the real stupid just keep hanging in there.....as if the public's percpetion is wrong...hell it is obvious that the country is in shambles....and the best is still yet to come.......

"even the stupid come their senses eventually....the real stupid just keep hanging in there.....as if the public's percpetion is wrong...hell it is obvious that the country is in shambles....and the best is still yet to come......." by Kevin41

.....The Black community has been at the bottom and in extreme poverty, before President George Bush, or his administration even existed. The Black community has been kept in poverty by the sleaze, greed, treason, blatant incompetence and worthless Black leadership of the Democratic Party.

"At its meeting Saturday, the NAACP board of directors formally selected Gordon, who will become president in July after completing contract negotiations. The choice of Gordon, observers said, could engage a generation of young African Americans who see entrepreneurship as a central goal.

There are a lot of African Americans who admire black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."

.....and the above excerpt is from a world class newspaper, world renowned, and a Pulitzer prize winner, in the Los Angeles Times.

....The Los Angeles Sentinel, the typical Black elected leadership, the many jackleg preachers, and the misguided thoughts of any critic in any Kevin41, keep the Black community in poverty, and in the loser's circle.

The sign of the future of any community, is the direction that many of their young people are heading in. Good for you young warriors, in that you think for yourselves, and you have chosen to take on the characteristics of a winner.

.....apparently Black people from all walks of life are coming to their senses, in that many young Black Americans, and their elders, are tired of drama, game playing, and/or following in the footsteps of losers or admiring losers. Evidently the bigger picture does not include this treasonous Black elected leadership, and/or any misconceptions of the reality of it, as presented by Kevin41

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Unemployment for black people in the 90's was half of what it is now...and was the lowest since the depression...but Lofton...you do not read too much...you express your opinions and you seek out people who agree with your opinions even if they are racist and hate the hell out of black people. You are not too factual in your travels and do not seek academic information that truly outlines the landscape from a factual standpoint. You only assert yourself when there is no burden of proof for the things you say...you ran when you said Dymally was an illegal.....you ran when you talked about how awful black people are because of your family...but never said what brought social workers to select your family out of all of those in LA......so you do not have any credibility...you have not read too much and you say shit based on emotions that lacks logic....and is vague and ambiguous so that you canhide behind them without any accountability on your part...just like deviating from your statement about how Bush is doing a great job and how many people follow him...when the majority of americans, even whites thinks he is a fool and a failure....notice how you did not address the poll numbers and congressional displeasure with him? you just moved on to another topic with the usual ranting about black people....or that "same statement" BS you post. I know you may think what you like...but after being involved in higher education for the last 24 years as a student and professor....i clearly know when the person I am talking to lacks factual information.....and the deflection and diversion tactics are indicative of a child's behavior when they are trying to avoid a spanking for doing something wrong....they will employ the same M.O.....which is to divert the topic and speak in an irrelevant manner...with the hope that the parent will forget and keep heat off of their azzes..........so Lofton.....why i respond to you I do not know.....because you have never responded to any question in a coherent, factual manner....only opinionated irrlevant ramblings......but you really need to read more from a factual basis.....go and read from non-partisan acacdemic resources such as the National Urban Public Policy Institute.....and look at legislative outcomes as they affect blacks and see what right-wing and liberal politics has done for blacks......one is punitive..the other creates opportunity that many of us still refuse to use. As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors....it is time for you people to show some intelligence and quit talking in a way that does nothing but capitalize on the ignorance of others who do not read and also stokes the racist passions of others who wish nothing but the worse on black people......so from now on...i will ask you accountability questions to show how much of your dialogue was just your own self-created bullschit and not fact...........

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
even the stupid come their senses eventually....the real stupid just keep hanging in there.....as if the public's percpetion is wrong...hell it is obvious that the country is in shambles....and the best is still yet to come.......

Kevin,

Also, I would hardly characterize these statements as "support" for the Bush Administration:

"Gordon said that he was a registered Democrat, but that he had contributed to campaigns of both Democratic and Republican candidates. He praised the Bush administration for putting resources behind AIDS treatment and implementing the No Child Left Behind Act. He gave no comment on the war in Iraq, saying his "feelings are not relevant to this mission."

But he added one proviso:

"I believe in inclusion," Gordon said. "I believe in respect for all God's children. I think that we as a country have not been ... sensitive or considerate of the people we are at war with."

I do not view those words as support either...and I like the part of Lofton's post that indicates black people have been stupid all throughout history and now some of us finally do not want to rap or play basketall....damn, I never thought we would wake up.....check this startling revelation out:

There are a lot of African Americans who admire black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."

I'm glad the "opportunity structure is greater now". It was Venus crossing the path of Mars in the constellation of Orion at a 45 degree angle to the star Zebulon on the 23 of March, 1978 that finally made the opportunity struture greater.

Whew! I knew it would happen if everyone just waited long enough.

All those people wasting their time marching and protesting, sacrificing their lives, their future, getting people all mad at them. No need for any of that. I tried to tell them. Just wait!

No need for AA. No need for the NAACP. None of that.

It was Venus crossin' Mars in Orion that did it. No doubt about it.

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
I do not view those words as support either...and I like the part of Lofton's post that indicates black people have been stupid all throughout history and now some of us finally do not want to rap or play basketall....damn, I never thought we would wake up.....check this startling revelation out:

There are a lot of African Americans who admire Black businessmen more than they admire athletes and rappers," said David Bositis, a political analyst at the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies in Washington. "African Americans who are good at it become like stars. The opportunity structure is greater now, which permits more people to have higher aspirations in that area."

Yah... all these "Black businessmen" who "become like stars", I'm just sick and tired of seeing them all over the TV. That's all you ever see anymore. You can't turn on any channel without seeing some success story about an African-American who made it to the big-time.

When are we going to be able to see something about Black entertainers and singers? You never hear anything about them.

Hey, I like to hear about African American success stories too, but I'm tired of reading about William Singleton and Marion Jordon and all these Black businessmen getting their own star engraved on Wall Street. Enough, already!

Can't we just read a little about Black rappers and entertainers? And can't we see just a little about Black athletes and sports? Man, I think it's a Republican conspiricy...

I feel ya...i'm tired of being a book-reading black man myself...I think i'll go and fulfill the stereotypes and then white people will feel more comfortable than if I was talking that pro-black nonsense (end sarcasm).............

"Unemployment for black people in the 90's was half of what it is now...and was the lowest since the depression...but Lofton...you do not read too much...you express your opinions and you seek out people who agree with your opinions even if they are racist and hate the hell out of black people. You are not too factual in your travels and do not seek academic information that truly outlines the landscape from a factual standpoint. You only assert yourself when there is no burden of proof for the things you say...you ran when you said Dymally was an illegal.....you ran when you talked about how awful black people are because of your family...but never said what brought social workers to select your family out of all of those in LA......so you do not have any credibility...you have not read too much and you say shit based on emotions that lacks logic....and is vague and ambiguous so that you canhide behind them without any accountability on your part...just like deviating from your statement about how Bush is doing a great job and how many people follow him...when the majority of americans, even whites thinks he is a fool and a failure....notice how you did not address the poll numbers and congressional displeasure with him? you just moved on to another topic with the usual ranting about black people....or that "same statement" BS you post. I know you may think what you like...but after being involved in higher education for the last 24 years as a student and professor....i clearly know when the person I am talking to lacks factual information.....and the deflection and diversion tactics are indicative of a child's behavior when they are trying to avoid a spanking for doing something wrong....they will employ the same M.O.....which is to divert the topic and speak in an irrelevant manner...with the hope that the parent will forget and keep heat off of their azzes..........so Lofton.....why i respond to you I do not know.....because you have never responded to any question in a coherent, factual manner....only opinionated irrlevant ramblings......but you really need to read more from a factual basis.....go and read from non-partisan acacdemic resources such as the National Urban Public Policy Institute.....and look at legislative outcomes as they affect blacks and see what right-wing and liberal politics has done for blacks......one is punitive..the other creates opportunity that many of us still refuse to use. As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors....it is time for you people to show some intelligence and quit talking in a way that does nothing but capitalize on the ignorance of others who do not read and also stokes the racist passions of others who wish nothing but the worse on black people......so from now on...i will ask you accountability questions to show how much of your dialogue was just your own self-created bullschit and not fact..........." by Kevin41

......now what good would it do? I've already given enough factual information, and it still hasn't registered, because of your own inability to recognize fact from fiction. This again is why it is truly a waste of my valuable time to continue responding to the likes of Kevin41, and/or those of similar expression!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

So I do not know FACT from FICTION huh? I do it for a living as a second-career......but you state FICTION that Dymally is an illegal.....but you cannot post a FACT that he is......yet you make the reverse accusation.......go to the academic sites Lofton.....leave the racists and house-negroes along....they are not a source of knowledge..and while you are there....find something that actually says Dymally is an illegal immigrant....and that he was appointed to Congress without ever getting his citizenship. Take time from telling me what my limitations are and try to see what you can accomplish......


And again...I post the challenge:

As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors....

"And again...I post the challenge:

As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors...." by Kevin41

....I'm already in the winner's circle, and it is meaningless to me as to your assessment of me. Again I only give credit where it is due.

.......Demographic shifts, and redistricting are already in the works to rid this area of misfits in Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, Kevin Murray, Martin Ludlow, Diane Watson, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.

.....these individuals of deceit and sleaze won't be missed.

...and the many no good jackleg Black preachers only interest in Black people is to pimp the community out its earnings. This sacreligious group of no good preachers and deacons, days are also numbered, because as the Black community falls, so will its' jackleg preachers.

Mind you, many of these same preachers are being used as tools to deliver the Black vote to the Democratic Party. Furthermore, many of these no good jack leg Black preachers have all of a sudden leaned toward the Bush Administration, namely because the Republican Party, more so than the Democratic Party control the wealth! It is certain, that President Bush, is well aware of the deceit that exists, in the Black community.

The Bush Administration is not as gullible and won't be used or duped out of its assets by Black preachers, as the Black community has for far to long allowed itself to be pimped, cheated, etc.

Like that no good Black elected leadership, the no good jack leg Black preacher's days are also numbered. It is certain, these no good sacreligious individuals won't be missed either.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

quote:

Originally posted by Michael:
"And again...I post the challenge:

As so far as poverty programs are concerned.....i would like those of you who adopt white male soundbites to do your homework and actually prove how programs that offered educational and professional opportunities, fed kids and provided medical care are actually worse than right-wing racist politics that took the programs away and lessened black college admissions and professional inclusion in many sectors...." by Kevin41

....I'm already in the winner's circle, and it is meaningless to me as to your assessment of me. Again I only give credit where it is due.

.......Demographic shifts, and redistricting are already in the works to rid this area of misfits in Merv Dymally, Brentwood Burke, Kevin Murray, Martin Ludlow, Diane Watson, Kerosene Waters, etc., etc.

.....these individuals of deceit and sleaze won't be missed.

...and the many no good jackleg Black preachers only interest in Black people is to pimp the community out its earnings. This sacreligious group of no good preachers and deacons, days are also numbered, because as the Black community falls, so will its' jackleg preachers.

Mind you, many of these same preachers are being used as tools to deliver the Black vote to the Democratic Party. Furthermore, many of these no good jack leg Black preachers have all of a sudden leaned toward the Bush Administration, namely because the Republican Party, more so than the Democratic Party control the wealth! It is certain, that President Bush, is well aware of the deceit that exists, in the Black community.

The Bush Administration is not as gullible and won't be used or duped out of its assets by Black preachers, as the Black community has for far to long allowed itself to be pimped, cheated, etc.

Like that no good Black elected leadership, the no good jack leg Black preacher's days are also numbered. It is certain, these no good sacreligious individuals won't be missed either.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Once again you missed the questions I posed....find proof that Dymally is an illegal...and please prove from a policy outcome perspective how programs that fed, educated and offered medical treatment to blacks was worse than those right-wing types that removed the programs and lessened black college enrollment and professional inclusion....LOFTON, can you stick to the question posted to you and answer it in a relevant way.....since these are things you declared to be true and factual. Can you substantiate your statement or am I asking too much of you to prove what YOU said in earlier posts?

Well Kevin41, and/or anyone else of similar expression,

...one of numerous examples of the many no good poverty pimping jackleg Black preachers, and/or other sleazy individuals.

A typical group of sacreligious misfits that can be found easily in any Black community within the U.S. It just so happens, many of these "unfit to be praised or honored" individuals are given a timeless "get out of jail free card" from the typical Black middleclass, be it university educated or otherwise, and/or other gullible supporters.

More times than not, those of disgrace to what it means to be a man or woman of the great almighty "God" have yet to be criminally indicted and branded as being felons.

Although many of these individuals have ripped off the Black community, big time, unless they expand their criminal enterprise to steal from Caucasians, and/or other ethnic groups, rarely is it the case that they are held to answer for being so disgraceful, criminal, unethical, sacreligious, and/or treasonous.

If left up to the typical Black community to reprimand, sue, hold accountable, and/or severely punish Black preachers caught stealing from the Black community, these misfits walk free to continue preying on the Black community!

.....More so than not, instead of punishment, far too many of these individuals are praised as if nothing ever happened. This again is a very strong indication that the Black community is indeed perverted, moving in the wrong direction, self destructive, and/or working in its' own worst interest, etc.

.....and since Black people continue to be the last hired and the first fired, because our community is heavily dependent on corporate America, government employment, and a limited few Black owned businesses for employment, as the opportunity to gainful employment continues to fall short, Black preachers will soon run out of potential Black church members to pimp!

The fact that no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally has never been the major theme of any posting. If you seek that answer you find it.

The theme of all this information as posted is that our own elected leadership, no good poverty pimping jack leg Black preachers, etc., are deceitful, treasonous, many times criminal, and unfit to be praised, and many times all with the blessings of the so-called university educated of the Black community. So much for being educated, because it does not take a university degree to understand this reality, and what must be done to arrest this activity!

....at any rate, their days are numbered, because as the Black community falls, so will its' leadership! Demographic shifts, and/or redistricting will rid Los Angeles County, and/or other jurisdictions of this scum!

....and this will be my last comment or response to the likes of Kevin41, or anyone else of similar expression.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

"Once again you missed the questions I posed....find proof that Dymally is an illegal...and please prove from a policy outcome perspective how programs that fed, educated and offered medical treatment to blacks was worse than those right-wing types that removed the programs and lessened black college enrollment and professional inclusion....LOFTON, can you stick to the question posted to you and answer it in a relevant way.....since these are things you declared to be true and factual. Can you substantiate your statement or am I asking too much of you to prove what YOU said in earlier posts?" - Kevin41


Give it up, Kevin41. You're never going to get any specifics. Most of his sources are from Comedy Central or The National Enquirer.


And...

Well ML, and/or anyone else of similar expression,

Is it "jackleg", jack leg" or "jack-leg"? You've used all three and I just want to be sure and use the correct grammatical form in my next sarcastic post. Is it one word, two, or a hyphanated word? Thanks.

ChileWillow

chilewillow....I guess it is my sadistic side that makes me want to see a fool make a statement....and when asked for proof to substantiate their own statement....their only response is to post something that does not relate to the question or tell me to find it my damn self.

I do not have to get a fool to communicate with me.......nor do I expect them to........I know how to offset their basic azz mental tactics of deflection and diversion, keep the dialogue specific.....and then just sit back and watch them expose the flaws in their own original statements....Lofton's thinking is not quite that advanced yet and he does not know jack schit about the principles behind being made to isolate himself from his own original statement....he does not see himself as making a statement and then backing away from it....he actually thinks his statements are all interrelated and consistent...when in actuality.....making a statement and then running from it just means you have been exposed as one who does not know what the f-k you are "talkin bout".....some people really trip me out.....