There is a Threat Being Spread by Hispanics that 1000 Black people will be shot Dead.

Seems to me like a Negro is spreading the threat...

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Seems to me like a Negro is spreading the threat...

Be it Black or Hispanic, this is not good. If this is a Black person, this is very foolish, because there is already too much animosity now. Fanning the fire to intensify the bad relationship that exists between Black and Hispanic people will be of little or no benefit to Black or Hispanic people. Be it Black or Hispanic the perpetrators must be brought to justice. In the event this threat is not true, the individual, or individuals responsible for starting this should be reprimanded as well.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by Michael:

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Seems to me like a Negro is spreading the threat...

Be it Black or Hispanic, this is not good. If this is a Black person, this is very foolish, because there is already too much animosity now. Fanning the fire to intensify the bad relationship that exists between Black and Hispanic people will be of little or no benefit...

Aren't you "fanning the fire" by posting this rumor w/o substantiation?

Substantiation? Substantiation? We don't need no stinking substantiation.

Lofton said it, that should be enough. Because we all know that he can support anything he posts.

[See the upcoming Member's Editorial to be entitled: "Lofton should he stay or should he go?"]

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Originally posted by Michael:

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Seems to me like a Negro is spreading the threat...

Be it Black or Hispanic, this is not good. If this is a Black person, this is very foolish, because there is already too much animosity now. Fanning the fire to intensify the bad relationship that exists between Black and Hispanic people will be of little or no benefit to Black or Hispanic people. Be it Black or Hispanic the perpetrators must be brought to justice. In the event this threat is not true, the individual, or individuals responsible for starting this should be reprimanded as well.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Would that repremand include individuals who post such rumors to bullitin boards?

I received this today....I know nothing about the validity of it:


Subject: BE CAREFUL
Importance: High

Unfortunately, the word on the street (which has been confirmed by a probation officer) is that the 60's stole 160 kilo's of cocaine from the Mexican Mafia. In retaliation, the Mexican Mafia and other Mexican gangs have decided to target and kill 400-1000 black men of all ages who are wearing white t-shirts. This is not limited to the freeways..... I understand that this is very real and very serious. Please pass this on to EVERYONE that you know. I suggest you do not wear any white shirts at all if possible. Also, if you have on a dress shirt, consider wearing your jacket over it....

Is this another of those internet-born urban myths? Like the one if you flash your lights at a car driving without lights, they will follow you and shoot you.

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
Is this another of those internet-born urban myths? Like the one if you flash your lights at a car driving without lights, they will follow you and shoot you.

Subject: BE CAREFUL
Importance: High

"Unfortunately, the word on the street (which has been confirmed by a probation officer) is that the 60's stole 160 kilo's of cocaine from the Mexican Mafia. In retaliation, the Mexican Mafia and other Mexican gangs have decided to target and kill 400-1000 black men of all ages who are wearing white t-shirts. This is not limited to the freeways..... I understand that this is very real and very serious. Please pass this on to EVERYONE that you know. I suggest you do not wear any white shirts at all if possible. Also, if you have on a dress shirt, consider wearing your jacket over it...." author unknown

....This individual, like what was shared with me, merely wanted to pass on the warning, so that no one will be in the darkness should this activity take place!

.....no myth exists here. Bloodshed has been spilled. Blacks and Hispanics have been maimed or killed, more Black people being maimed or killed than Hispanics. The divisions that exist in the penitentiary have spread to the streets. LAPD presence has been necessary to keep the peace between Black and Hispanic students at several High Schools here in Los Angeles.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Cat just walked upped to me on my way home from the gym and said, he heard from someone else that 100 people will die tonight. Don't know how true it is, but all yall need to be careful tonight.

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Originally posted by Faheem:
Cat just walked upped to me on my way home from the gym and said, he heard from someone else that 100 people will die tonight. Don't know how true it is, but all yall need to be careful tonight.

Hello Faheem,

I would again kiss the ground that Black people walk on, if they would stop consuming illicit narcotics, in cocaine, crack, etc. Be it a legitimate or an illicit business, any business without customers cannot thrive.

The Mexican Mafia are the primary dealers. The Crips, the Bloods, etc., are on the low end of the chain of distribution. The Mexican Mafia is well aware of the typical young or older Black male or now Black female's predicament, of not having enough gainful employment opportunities, of having earned or unearned criminal records that block many opportunities, of not having our own competent political representation, etc., to make it possible for legitimate employment opportunities for Black people, within the "inner-city". The Hispanic Gangs, are using this disadvantage to their advantage, to reduce poverty, high unemployment, and/or increase gainful employment possibilities in their own respective Hispanic communities.

Black people must shake the need to consume illicit drugs as customers, be a part of the drug trade, etc. In many instances, Black people have been the largest customer base, while the Hispanic gangs are the primary "drug lords". Untold numbers of Black people, be it the middle class, and/or the underclass have been killed, lost good paying jobs, ruined their health, harmed a loved one, contributed to the destruction of themselves or the Black community, and/or have felony jackets that they can not shake as a result of this self destructive activity!

Hispanics are taking full advantage of this illicit, very profitable criminal enterprise, to move their own people forward. Former Mexican Mafia Gang members, etc., have used this opportunity to launder their assets, to create legitimate employment opportunities for both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants.

....This again is not saying much for our own leadership, in a Brentwood Burke, Merv Dymally, Marc Ridley Thomas, Nate Holden, Walter Tucker, Diane Watson, serving every other community but the Black community Black lawyers, etc., etc., ...because for far too long too many of these individuals have foresaken the Black community for their own personal gain.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Since this threat is receiving so much attention, what keeps black gangs from killing 1000 mexicans in response to them carrying out their threat. The whole plan kinda loses its appeal if the other side knows what you are doing and prepares to return the favor in kind.

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Originally posted by jazzdog:
Since this threat is receiving so much attention, what keeps black gangs from killing 1000 mexicans in response to them carrying out their threat. The whole plan kinda loses its appeal if the other side knows what you are doing and prepares to return the favor in kind, by jazzdog

You are correct. However the Crips and Bloods are well armed just like any other gang affiliation. If any bullets are fired here, both sides will have some casualties, and a few innocent bystanders will also be caught in the crossfire.

The people who have to worry are those who wear gang attire, those who drive luxury vehicles such as a beamer, lexus, benz, escalade, or any other high priced vehicle that some of these gang members own, individuals by and large who are not armed, and not affiliated with any gang affiliation.

The LAPD, community residents, etc., are doing their best to gather information to apprehend these individuals, and/or to keep a lid on this deadly activity, namely to prevent the maiming or killing of innocent bystanders, police officers, etc., etc.

...and the Eastern, Southern, Midwestern and Pacific Northwest area Black communities need to be on guard, because some of these individuals have already established themselves in predominately Black neighborhoods throughout the U.S., to which their activity is not to move Black people forward, but rather to expand their own control and influence!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

man...he lives for these moments...his life really lacks substance.......he needs to go away and go to black college and major in electrical engineering or something....so he can see and experience blacks in a light other than the f-ked up one he finds pleasure and gains his self-adequacy from.......what an affliction...

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
man...he lives for these moments...his life really lacks substance.......he needs to go away and go to black college and major in electrical engineering or something....so he can see and experience blacks in a light other than the f-ked up one he finds pleasure and gains his self-adequacy from.......what an affliction...by the Kevin41

.....more likely someone else is inadequate, as applied to the Pompous Professor of Pomposity!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

I don''t know about that lofty...who is the one in here spewing hatred and generalizing people he claims he looks just like, me or you?

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I don''t know about that lofty...who is the one in here spewing hatred and generalizing people he claims he looks just like, me or you?

You, because you win hands down!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by jazzdog:
Since this threat is receiving so much attention, what keeps black gangs from killing 1000 mexicans in response to them carrying out their threat. The whole plan kinda loses its appeal if the other side knows what you are doing and prepares to return the favor in kind.

This 'threat' (in my best conspiracy voice) would appear to be something that is hoped for; ie. in terms of creating a distraction for the states, while the economy continues to travel down; the war rages on, gas prices continue to climb, the state of California continue's to be 'shaken down' by outside/internal conservative forces and so on. Should this actually occur, this will be reminiscent of the summers' of 66'-68, when riots and public unrest was largely a part of professional 'rabblerousers', COINTELPRO operatives and malcontents, ready to rumble just because.
In the words of 'Public Enemy', do'nt believe the hype. While the 'Black gangs', could surely defend themselves, the Black community would come out, the ultimate looser, ie. surrounded by others; 'no where' to run; hispanics have, 'the border' and beyond, and the military and police powers, would most certainly, focus on the Black involvement, to a higher degree than, the involvement of 'the others.
It would be a loose-loose situation for Black people.

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Originally posted by Michael:

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
I don''t know about that lofty...who is the one in here spewing hatred and generalizing people he claims he looks just like, me or you?

You, because you win hands down!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

** I'll try again....Lofty which one of us spend the majority of our time on this board expressing disdain for black people in general, me or you? the answer is obvious......

THIS THING IS AN INTERNET-BORN URBAN LEGEND.

Just like the leaders of MS 13 (the Salvadorian gang) ordering its members to the AZ border to kill the "minutemen." It got some media play ... It didn't happen.

Nayo, has it right ... This rumor is something that is hoped for; but is unlikely to occur. Not because the MM don't have the guns or a rivalry in the drug trade; but because the story just flat out ain't true.

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** I'll try again....Lofty which one of us spend the majority of our time on this board expressing disdain for black people in general, me or you? the answer is obvious......

....again you win, and I've lost, end of conversation!

...as for the disdain, wrath, self-destruction, being treasonous, etc., the Black community brings this on itself, to which Michael Lofton did not do it, the President Bush Administration is not responsible for it, etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

i wouldn't be surprised to find out that you started this whole rumor.

It was never any typeof contest....I was just asking you a question...and if you think that the bush domestic policies are not harmful to the interests of blacks...then you need to read more public policy literature....and learn about the concept of legislative outcomes....for example, when the affirmative action programs were dropped at major college campuses, black enrollment dropped significantly....when they were stopped in various professional sectors (yours included) black participation as workers and contractors also dropped significantly. the president did not even have to get involved in the debate and he chose to take a stance against it.....that house nigress rice spoke out against it......the she realized that they never hired black women as professors at standford until AA was enacted....and she changed her stance....now don't you agree that policies that reduce educational and professional opportunities for blacks are bad, whether it involves admissions or grants and funding for lower-income individuals?

by the way...you need to research your particular profession and see what allowed entry by black men into the profession..you may be a member of the IBEW.....ask some black union elders how it used to be......even in your lifetime.....and that is not even historical in nature.......

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
by the way...you need to research your particular profession and see what allowed entry by black men into the profession..you may be a member of the IBEW.....ask some black union elders how it used to be......even in your lifetime.....and that is not even historical in nature.......

...nope I don't have to read or investigate any of this. Caucasian America, my own aptitude, the support of my immediate family paved the road to success for me! I've already stated who my heroes are.

I already have a rich history. The so-called Black middleclass in a no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of South Central Los Angeles no good misfit Merv Dymally, "Uncle Tom Bradley", "Brentwood" Burke, numerous Black social workers, numerous Black Probation Officers, numerous Black lawyers, numerous no good jack leg Black preachers, the "Yellow Journal" in a Los Angeles Sentinel....the Largest Black owned worthless newspaper on the planet, etc., etc., had multiple chances to make a constructive contribution, but instead all of these individuals chose to be misfits, incompetent, treasonous, fraudulent, etc.

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

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Originally posted by msprettygirl:
i wouldn't be surprised to find out that you started this whole rumor.

"Subject: BE CAREFUL
Importance: High

Unfortunately, the word on the street (which has been confirmed by a probation officer) is that the 60's stole 160 kilo's of cocaine from the Mexican Mafia. In retaliation, the Mexican Mafia and other Mexican gangs have decided to target and kill 400-1000 black men of all ages who are wearing white t-shirts. This is not limited to the freeways..... I understand that this is very real and very serious. Please pass this on to EVERYONE that you know. I suggest you do not wear any white shirts at all if possible. Also, if you have on a dress shirt, consider wearing your jacket over it...." author unknown

.....the above quotation did not come from me, meaning other individuals somehow came across the same threat, or the threat was shared with them.

....nope not me. This has been, and is the talk of the town in the Black community for at least the last few days.

....aside from this posting Blacks and Hispanics have not been on the best terms for at least five years now. Activity like this, and worse, will continue to raise its head!

Much of the animocity between Blacks and Hispanics, that continues as I type, spread from the penitentiary to the streets of Los Angeles


Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

So Lofton, what is the SPECIFIC solution to the animosity that is spreading from the prison to the streets? What do you suggest should be done? I figured since you announced that startling revelation you had that may have thought it out in more depth and came up with a proposal......i'm all ears

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
So Lofton, what is the SPECIFIC solution to the animosity that is spreading from the prison to the streets? What do you suggest should be done? I figured since you announced that startling revelation you had that may have thought it out in more depth and came up with a proposal......i'm all ears

Although the elected leaders of a Compton, South Central Los Angeles, Inglewood, etc., are Black,

.......legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants, and/or Koreans own the businesses. The only thing keeping the illegal, undocumented, etc., hispanics from controlling the political process in Compton, South Central Los Angeles, and/or Inglewood, is that they are not yet citizens. It won't be long though, because once these individuals acquire their citizenship, they won't be promoting any Black people for elected office or otherwise.

By and large, the only businesses being run in this Compton and South Central by Black people are mortuary businesses to bury Black people that have a steady supply of dead Black people to bury due to "Black on Black Crime", barber shops, and "pimping" Black people out of their hard earned dollars, headed by no good jack leg Black preachers, Church on virtually every block businesses.

Now that illegal Hispanic immigrants out number the Black people who live in Compton, and/or South Central Los Angeles, illegal immigrants rule Compton, South Central Los Angeles, and/or may soon if not already rule, Inglewood, California.

Can't say what the solution is, other than again our own Black elected leadership failure to competently represent the Black community, and/or the Black middleclass tendency to run like a "Bat out of Hell" from Compton, South Central Los Angeles, and/or Inglewood, contributed to this condition. Heck, some even left their senior citizen parents, grand parents behind, to face the atrocities of life in the "inner-city", rather than protect the elderly, by sticking around.

I can only think of one ethnic group that treats its senior citizens with such gross disrespect, to which again, like other disgraceful activity is very pronounced in the Black community.

....The lowest of the lowest in scum, are the many jackleg Black Preachers running wild in the Black community. Mind you, even after all this, the typical Black middle-class continues to support the numerous no good jack leg preachers in a typical Reverend Henry Lyons in virtually every community predominated by Blacks!

....Heck many of the no-good-poverty pimping Jack leg preachers, use deceit to take real property, in a home, from the Black elderly!!

....this is greed beyond belief. There is no defense for this disgraceful activity, period, period, period!

The people on the streets, solution is to fire back if fired upon by illegals, or anyone else. Heck, some the LAPD, the Los Angeles County Sheriffs, etc., etc., etc., including some of the Black police officers on any police force, many times give more weight to the voices and rights of illegal immigrants, than U.S. citizens of Black American heritage born on U.S. soil.

No good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally doesn't bite his tongue as to who he serves, in foreign nationals, etc., etc., who are very removed from a South Central Los Angeles, a Compton, etc., the communities to which no good disgraceful Merv Dymally is mandated by law and sworn under oath of office to serve!

Since it is a known fact, in that it is not just me saying so, that the Black middleclass, Black elected officials are treasonous and disgraceful, what is happening now, can be compared to "Custer's Last Stand"..

I was talking with this Black woman just last night, and she related to me, where one of her relatives, an unarmed Black man in his forties, was threatened by illegal Hispanic immigrants with their guns drawn and loaded, pointed at him. The only thing that saved his life, was that he convinced these individuals that he was not affiliated with a Crip, Blood, or any other Black gang set. Furthermore, this Black lady related to me, that these illegal Hispanic immigrants stated, "If we see you, speaking of the forty year old Black male, in Compton again we will shoot you". Mind you, this individual was visiting relatives, and/or friends who are Black who still live in Compton!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

No Lofton the rumor wasn't "confirmed by a probation officer", the rumor says the rumor was confirmed by a un-named, unidentified probation officer. There's a big difference.

I could post any totally statement on the internet, like ... umm ... let's see ... Okay, Like ... saying Mervyn Dymally is an illegal immigrant. That doesn't make it true, nor does someone repeating my lie make it true. And, the repeater cannot then cite me as having confirmed it.

See Lofton, can you say the flaw?

Okay, Lofton has finally posted his truth. "I've alrready stated who my heroes are. This immediately following his crediting "caucasian america" for paving the road to his success. Something like a slave praising the master for giving the slave agricultural skills by allowing the slave to pick cotton.

The truth is "caucasian america" only ceded admission into the skilled trades after losing 100's of lawsuits and 1000's of Black folk died.

Now that illegal Hispanic immigrants out number the Black people who live in Compton, and/or South Central Los Angeles, by Lofton.

See this is my major objection to your posts. This is clearly a false statement. Hyperbole, maybe; but never-the-less false.

I was talking with this Black woman just last night, and she related to me, where one of her relatives, an unarmed Black man in his forties, was threatened by illegal Hispanic immigrants with their guns drawn and loaded, pointed at him. The only thing that saved his life, was that he convinced these individuals that he was not affiliated with a Crip, Blood, or any other Black gang set. Furthermore, this Black lady related to me, that these illegal Hispanic immigrants stated, "If we see you, speaking of the forty year old Black male, in Compton again we will shoot you". Mind you, this individual was visiting relatives, and/or friends who are Black who still live in Compton! by Lofton

This is no doubt another unsupportable lie. It makes no sense. Not that someone would tell a tale about some folks pulling guns on someone else; but, why would these alleged illegals have threaten this alleged woman with "if we see you, speaking about the forty year old Black male again..."

Did she witness the incident? if so, why would they threaten her with talking "again"? She had not spoke of it at the time of the threat.

Did she see these alleged immigrants more than once? If so, the threat still makes no sense. The alleged immigrants would have had to know that the alleged woman had spoken of the incident. Highly unlikely.

LOFTON, JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE POSTS SOMETHING ON THIS BOARD DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE READERS WILL CHECK THEIR INTELLIGENCE AT THE DOOR. WE ARE NOT THAT GULLIBLE. AND FRANKLY, I FIND IT OFFENSIVE THAT YOU WOULD PRESUME THAT WE ARE.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Michael:

Can't say what the solution is, other than again our own Black elected leadership failure to competently represent the Black community, and/or the Black middleclass tendency to run like a "Bat out of Hell" from Compton, South Central Los Angeles, and/or Inglewood, contributed to this condition.

* so lofton....your purpose is to really just criticize black people and what you perceive as shortcomings exclusive to us....which they are not. do you ever feel a void from just criticizing and not offering any type of recommendations for solutions? I teach public policy at the masters and ph.d. level and i understand how much of the conditions that exist in inner cities are a legacy from jim crow and policies that have an adverse effect on black people. You do not have to believe that and i would dare not argue any point with you....because my students who are masters and doctoral candidates have not been able to mount an argument against what I teach.....but you really need to change your focus and look at the ripple effect of policy....when black people are systematically removed from job and educational opportunities, this is what happens as a result....disenfrnachised people of any race....hold onto to your shorts....including white...behave in the same way.......the behaviors you rant and rave about are a result of socioeconomic conditions and not race....if you take the time to look past your immediate surroundings and the racist media perception fed to you daily...that makes crime, welfare and violence and drug use appear as a "black thing"......you would see this country in a another way......read credible academic resources such as the national urban policy institute...which is non-partisan.....you will see what ails america....black and white....along the lines of economics....you should also read about pthological behaviors related to poverty, read about how black people were systematically relegated to poverty, and connect the dots.....i mean think about it, has it ever crossed your mind why big cities are full of poor blacks and mexicans and never poor whites to the same extent? does it ever dawn upon you that the poverty that you see around you daily is very segregated in nature? Those things, my friend were not CAUSED by black people...black people are just acting like anyone normally would under those conditions. research poor white rural areas of amerikkka, and see how murder, rape, incest and the whole nine occurs...read records from agencies that record these things and not listen to TV soundbites by racists. Once you seem as if you really are concerned about the welfare of black people as opposed to celebrating failure, you will feel better about who you are...and your message will be much more well-received....if that means anything to you.............

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...Caucasian America, my own aptitude, the support of my immediate family paved the road to success for me! I've already stated who my heroes are.

*lofton....this is a slap in the face of everyone black who died on your behalf....you need to research and read about black men with law, ph.d's and m.d. degrees that could not get work other than cooks and waiters at that time....if it were not for brave black men and women....you would not be working in your field...no matter how great you think you are or how much you think white amerikkka loves you....if they did....they wouldn't let you live in a city that you see is violent and impoverished. I have a wall full of degrees...and that wouldn't mean shit if it were not for the collective efforts of blacks before me.....and unlike how you tried to paint me.......I am humbled and grateful for their efforts...that what you said is the most disrespectful schit a black person can say...it almost makes me wish that individuals who make such statements could be sent back into time to experience what they try to dismiss as helping them....it would be nice to place you in the 40's as who you are today and see what it is like to try and be an electrician....when your azz returned to the present....you would have a whole different mindset....I liken those statements to unruly kids who grow up and murder their parents for money......their azzes were brought up through the most vumerable stage of life (infancy) and protected and provided for...and once they get grown, they act like they did it all on their own...like they actually went to work and fed themselves as babies...but I know many a black man who tried to view white as right.....and when the reality hit them....they were angry, depressed and even suicidal.....we can all think what we want...but it never can change reality.....

First, I think that African American AND Hispanics should look deep to see where this rumor is REALLY coming from; it sound like the very kind of rumors often started by police (usually on a smaller scale) to get those from one side to start to 'tell' on the other side, and also, is it a job security tactic as well for the police. Didn't any of you see 'Hotel Rawanda' or 'Sometimes in April'?-----seem familiar?

....same response

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Originally posted by Kevin41:
by the way...you need to research your particular profession and see what allowed entry by black men into the profession..you may be a member of the IBEW.....ask some black union elders how it used to be......even in your lifetime.....and that is not even historical in nature.......

...nope, I don't have to read or investigate any of this. Caucasian America, my own aptitude, the support of my immediate family paved the road to success for me! I've already stated who my heroes are.

I already have a rich history. The so-called Black middleclass in a no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of South Central Los Angeles no good misfit Merv Dymally, "Uncle Tom Bradley", "Brentwood" Burke, numerous Black social workers, numerous Black Probation Officers, numerous Black lawyers, numerous no good jack leg Black preachers, the "Yellow Journal" in a Los Angeles Sentinel....the Largest Black owned worthless newspaper on the planet, etc., etc., had multiple chances to make a constructive contribution, but instead all of these individuals chose to be misfits, incompetent, treasonous, fraudulent, etc.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kingdrew6may06,1,4049547.story?coll=la-headlines-california

Besieged Hospital 'Cleaning House'
King/Drew moves to fire three more doctors but acknowledges it was slow to act.
By Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber
Times Staff Writers

May 6, 2005

Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center took steps this week to fire three physicians after auditors uncovered more alleged incidents of moonlighting, fraud and misbehavior by the public hospital's senior doctors.

Three other doctors have been suspended without pay as Los Angeles County officials investigate similar claims against them.

The allegations come days before the county Board of Supervisors is expected to weigh "” once again "” whether King/Drew should remain open as a full-service hospital. In recent months, the supervisors' weekly meetings have been overtaken by angry debates about continued lapses in care at the 33-year-old hospital and corruption among its staffers.

County health officials, who oversee King/Drew, admitted that the hospital should have moved to fire the three doctors two months ago when hospital leaders "” and the highly paid consultants overseeing them "” first reviewed auditors' findings. When the delay was discovered, they say, they took "immediate action."

"We are, in essence, cleaning house," said Fred Leaf, chief operating officer at the county Department of Health Services.

Since January 2004, King/Drew has fired or moved to fire 13 doctors; an additional 11 have resigned under threat of discipline, county officials said. Just last week, the head of pediatrics quit under pressure after auditors determined he was working at his private practice 83 miles away while being paid to be at King/Drew.

Leaf said he believes most King/Drew staffers are honest, but "there's still a large percentage of employees that don't do their job, aren't committed, are dishonest, and need to be dealt with quickly and decisively."

The three doctors notified this week of their impending termination are Eugene Christian Jr., who oversaw King/Drew's geriatrics division; internist Anthony Kingsley; and Rita Ogbo, who works at a health center overseen by King/Drew, according to a memo from county health officials delivered Wednesday to the Board of Supervisors. Kingsley and Ogbo are married, auditors said.

County officials also acknowledged Thursday that nephrologist Harry Ward, one of the suspended physicians, had been previously investigated by auditors in 1998, following a Los Angeles Times article about rampant moonlighting by King/Drew doctors. Although county auditors subsequently recommended that Ward be disciplined for working at a private dialysis center on county time, health officials said it appears that no action was taken. He still works at the center, officials said.

A neurologist, Carlos Rosario, and a neurosurgeon, Daniel Le May, also were suspended this week while moonlighting allegations against them are investigated, county officials said.

In interviews Thursday, Christian, Ogbo, Ward and Rosario said they had not violated any county rules. Neither Le May nor Kingsley could be reached.

Supervisor Mike Antonovich described the latest allegations as "deplorable" and called for a countywide investigation of illicit moonlighting at public hospitals.

"These individuals, who have the highest trust from our society ... have abused the system and have taken advantage of those who are sick and seek medical treatment," he said.

The most recent audit began with a tip to the county's fraud hotline. Following up, auditors determined in 2004 that Christian, who has headed King/Drew's geriatrics division for four years, was working at his private practice on county time.

His department head told auditors he'd questioned Christian's work habits for "approximately three years," but had done nothing about it. He said that when called or paged while on duty, the physician sometimes was not at King/Drew.

On March 29, 2004, the one day cited in the report, Christian signed his timecard indicating he had been at King/Drew from 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Auditors said they saw Christian arriving in the parking lot of his Los Angeles private practice at 3:21 p.m.

When confronted by auditors, Christian told them that on many days he returns to King/Drew after working at his private practice, although he does not indicate that on his timecard, the report said. County rules require that timecards show the hours actually worked at the hospital.

In an interview Thursday afternoon, Christian said he had not yet been told that he was being terminated. He said he routinely put in more than 40 hours a week at King/Drew and perhaps was being singled out because of a personality conflict with the department chairman, Dr. Thomas Yoshikawa.

"If that's all they have and they want to terminate me because of that, what can I tell you?" Christian said. "But I guarantee you, I have been everywhere I was supposed to be and then some "” and then some."

In fact, Yoshikawa was faulted by auditors as well, for lax supervision, including failing to verify timecards, finish performance evaluations and take corrective action for "perceived inappropriate behavior."

Yoshikawa, head of the internal medicine department, is among King/Drew's best-compensated physicians, drawing $368,270 a year including his King/Drew salary and a stipend from its affiliated medical school. Auditors recommended that he be disciplined.

On Thursday, Yoshikawa referred questions about the audit to King/Drew's medical director, Roger Peeks. Peeks did not return calls seeking comment.

Another doctor in Yoshikawa's department, Kingsley, was seeing patients in private clinics while on medical leave from King/Drew, auditors said. Between January 2003 and February 2004, including the dates Kingsley was off work while supposedly recovering from a car accident, more than 450 claims for Medi-Cal reimbursement were submitted from his private clinic in Carson, auditors said.

While investigating Kingsley, auditors said, they discovered alleged moonlighting by his wife, Ogbo. On March 23, 2004, auditors said, when they went to visit Kingsley's El Monte clinic, Ogbo was there. On her timecard, Ogbo indicated that she had been at the Hubert H. Humphrey Comprehensive Health Center from 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. that day. The center is overseen by King/Drew.

The inspectors also determined that Ogbo billed Medi-Cal for seeing private patients on days she was scheduled to work at the Humphrey clinic.

Ogbo maintains that the auditors were confused. Actually, she said, she was at Humphrey on March 23 and the auditors actually visited her private clinic March 17, one of her days off. She also said the Medi-Cal billings attributed to her were from a larger group practice with which she was affiliated.

"Everything there, it's a lie," Ogbo said. At Humphrey, "I'm the early bird. I'm the first to come, I'm the last to leave."

Ward, who heads King/Drew's nephrology division, said county officials are aware that he trains aspiring King/Drew kidney specialists, conducts research and sees patients at a private dialysis clinic. But, he said, he does not shirk his King/Drew duties.

Every teaching physician, he said, "has some discrepancies at one time or another on their timecard, but they're not trying to defraud the county."

Rosario, the neurologist suspended pending an investigation, said he also disclosed his outside work to his superiors at the hospital and received their permission. He said he never worked outside the hospital until he had fulfilled his 40-hour workweek requirement to King/Drew.

Rosario said he is being targeted because he has complained about misuse of funds by physician leaders as well as other deficiencies at King/Drew.

"There isn't anything that I have done which is irregular," Rosario said. "They've been harassing me since I've been here for opening my mouth about things."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

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The mark of disgrace on the part of the so-called Black Middleclass, on a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., and it is not just me saying so.....No more sleaze please!

....Again I choose my own heroes. I only give credit where it is due!

...the Kevin41s, the sunnubians, the Kweli4Reals two bit input have little meaning as to the reality of what truly goes on. Funny how a few people who do not live in a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., will claim that something does happen here, yet they do not live here.

Believe it or not, substantial evidence exists as to Hispanic and Black disturbances, some being very deadly, to both Hispanics and Blacks.

With regard to the Black woman who related some of her personal experiences, regarding death threats against some one very close to her, perpetrated by Hispanics, it is my prerogative as to whether or not to mention her name.

Like anyone else she is entitled to her privacy. Unlike the tendency of many Blacks toward other Black people, I'm not about to betray her, by mentioning her name, etc., etc. What happened, happened, and this activity does occur. There are too many treasonous Black people for me to share the specifics.

....Considering some of the activity that occurs on this board, and the reality of "Black on Black self-hatred", it would be more of a detriment than any benefit to mention her name, etc., etc. The typical Black middle class, so-called Black elected leadership does not have a history, or track record of competently serving the best interest of "rank and file" Blacks.

Tension between the Hispanic and the Black community most certainly exists, and again it is not just me saying so!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Lofton....that is a fulla shit answer..go and research what you will find in terms of the black man's struggle to enter into your field...i'll be gotdammed if I allow you to brush off the struggles of many many blacks with some vague azz indifferent, non-caring rhetoric......seek out the facts.....i know you are afraid of what you will discover.....but it is a story that deserves to be acknowledged by a latter-generation beneficiary.

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
Lofton....that is a fulla shit answer..go and research what you will find in terms of the black man's struggle to enter into your field...i'll be gotdammed if I allow you to brush off the struggles of many many blacks with some vague azz indifferent, non-caring rhetoric......seek out the facts.....i know you are afraid of what you will discover.....but it is a story that deserves to be acknowledged by a latter-generation beneficiary.

....same response,

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
by the way...you need to research your particular profession and see what allowed entry by black men into the profession..you may be a member of the IBEW.....ask some black union elders how it used to be......even in your lifetime.....and that is not even historical in nature.......

...nope, I don't have to read or investigate any of this. Caucasian America, my own aptitude, the support of my immediate family paved the road to success for me! I've already stated who my heroes are.

I already have a rich history. The so-called Black middleclass in a no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of South Central Los Angeles no good misfit Merv Dymally, "Uncle Tom Bradley", "Brentwood" Burke, numerous Black social workers, numerous Black Probation Officers, numerous Black lawyers, numerous no good jack leg Black preachers, the "Yellow Journal" in a Los Angeles Sentinel....the Largest Black owned worthless newspaper on the planet, etc., etc., had multiple chances to make a constructive contribution, but instead all of these individuals chose to be misfits, incompetent, treasonous, fraudulent, etc.

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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-kingdrew6may06,1,4049547.story?coll=la-headlines-california

Besieged Hospital 'Cleaning House'
King/Drew moves to fire three more doctors but acknowledges it was slow to act.
By Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber
Times Staff Writers

May 6, 2005

Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center took steps this week to fire three physicians after auditors uncovered more alleged incidents of moonlighting, fraud and misbehavior by the public hospital's senior doctors.

Three other doctors have been suspended without pay as Los Angeles County officials investigate similar claims against them.

The allegations come days before the county Board of Supervisors is expected to weigh "” once again "” whether King/Drew should remain open as a full-service hospital. In recent months, the supervisors' weekly meetings have been overtaken by angry debates about continued lapses in care at the 33-year-old hospital and corruption among its staffers.

County health officials, who oversee King/Drew, admitted that the hospital should have moved to fire the three doctors two months ago when hospital leaders "” and the highly paid consultants overseeing them "” first reviewed auditors' findings. When the delay was discovered, they say, they took "immediate action."

"We are, in essence, cleaning house," said Fred Leaf, chief operating officer at the county Department of Health Services.

Since January 2004, King/Drew has fired or moved to fire 13 doctors; an additional 11 have resigned under threat of discipline, county officials said. Just last week, the head of pediatrics quit under pressure after auditors determined he was working at his private practice 83 miles away while being paid to be at King/Drew.

Leaf said he believes most King/Drew staffers are honest, but "there's still a large percentage of employees that don't do their job, aren't committed, are dishonest, and need to be dealt with quickly and decisively."

The three doctors notified this week of their impending termination are Eugene Christian Jr., who oversaw King/Drew's geriatrics division; internist Anthony Kingsley; and Rita Ogbo, who works at a health center overseen by King/Drew, according to a memo from county health officials delivered Wednesday to the Board of Supervisors. Kingsley and Ogbo are married, auditors said.

County officials also acknowledged Thursday that nephrologist Harry Ward, one of the suspended physicians, had been previously investigated by auditors in 1998, following a Los Angeles Times article about rampant moonlighting by King/Drew doctors. Although county auditors subsequently recommended that Ward be disciplined for working at a private dialysis center on county time, health officials said it appears that no action was taken. He still works at the center, officials said.

A neurologist, Carlos Rosario, and a neurosurgeon, Daniel Le May, also were suspended this week while moonlighting allegations against them are investigated, county officials said.

In interviews Thursday, Christian, Ogbo, Ward and Rosario said they had not violated any county rules. Neither Le May nor Kingsley could be reached.

Supervisor Mike Antonovich described the latest allegations as "deplorable" and called for a countywide investigation of illicit moonlighting at public hospitals.

"These individuals, who have the highest trust from our society ... have abused the system and have taken advantage of those who are sick and seek medical treatment," he said.

The most recent audit began with a tip to the county's fraud hotline. Following up, auditors determined in 2004 that Christian, who has headed King/Drew's geriatrics division for four years, was working at his private practice on county time.

His department head told auditors he'd questioned Christian's work habits for "approximately three years," but had done nothing about it. He said that when called or paged while on duty, the physician sometimes was not at King/Drew.

On March 29, 2004, the one day cited in the report, Christian signed his timecard indicating he had been at King/Drew from 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Auditors said they saw Christian arriving in the parking lot of his Los Angeles private practice at 3:21 p.m.

When confronted by auditors, Christian told them that on many days he returns to King/Drew after working at his private practice, although he does not indicate that on his timecard, the report said. County rules require that timecards show the hours actually worked at the hospital.

In an interview Thursday afternoon, Christian said he had not yet been told that he was being terminated. He said he routinely put in more than 40 hours a week at King/Drew and perhaps was being singled out because of a personality conflict with the department chairman, Dr. Thomas Yoshikawa.

"If that's all they have and they want to terminate me because of that, what can I tell you?" Christian said. "But I guarantee you, I have been everywhere I was supposed to be and then some "” and then some."

In fact, Yoshikawa was faulted by auditors as well, for lax supervision, including failing to verify timecards, finish performance evaluations and take corrective action for "perceived inappropriate behavior."

Yoshikawa, head of the internal medicine department, is among King/Drew's best-compensated physicians, drawing $368,270 a year including his King/Drew salary and a stipend from its affiliated medical school. Auditors recommended that he be disciplined.

On Thursday, Yoshikawa referred questions about the audit to King/Drew's medical director, Roger Peeks. Peeks did not return calls seeking comment.

Another doctor in Yoshikawa's department, Kingsley, was seeing patients in private clinics while on medical leave from King/Drew, auditors said. Between January 2003 and February 2004, including the dates Kingsley was off work while supposedly recovering from a car accident, more than 450 claims for Medi-Cal reimbursement were submitted from his private clinic in Carson, auditors said.

While investigating Kingsley, auditors said, they discovered alleged moonlighting by his wife, Ogbo. On March 23, 2004, auditors said, when they went to visit Kingsley's El Monte clinic, Ogbo was there. On her timecard, Ogbo indicated that she had been at the Hubert H. Humphrey Comprehensive Health Center from 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. that day. The center is overseen by King/Drew.

The inspectors also determined that Ogbo billed Medi-Cal for seeing private patients on days she was scheduled to work at the Humphrey clinic.

Ogbo maintains that the auditors were confused. Actually, she said, she was at Humphrey on March 23 and the auditors actually visited her private clinic March 17, one of her days off. She also said the Medi-Cal billings attributed to her were from a larger group practice with which she was affiliated.

"Everything there, it's a lie," Ogbo said. At Humphrey, "I'm the early bird. I'm the first to come, I'm the last to leave."

Ward, who heads King/Drew's nephrology division, said county officials are aware that he trains aspiring King/Drew kidney specialists, conducts research and sees patients at a private dialysis clinic. But, he said, he does not shirk his King/Drew duties.

Every teaching physician, he said, "has some discrepancies at one time or another on their timecard, but they're not trying to defraud the county."

Rosario, the neurologist suspended pending an investigation, said he also disclosed his outside work to his superiors at the hospital and received their permission. He said he never worked outside the hospital until he had fulfilled his 40-hour workweek requirement to King/Drew.

Rosario said he is being targeted because he has complained about misuse of funds by physician leaders as well as other deficiencies at King/Drew.

"There isn't anything that I have done which is irregular," Rosario said. "They've been harassing me since I've been here for opening my mouth about things."

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

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The mark of disgrace on the part of the so-called Black Middleclass, on a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., and it is not just me saying so.....No more sleaze please!

....Again I choose my own heroes. I only give credit where it is due!

...the Kevin41s, the sunnubians, the Kweli4Reals two bit input have little meaning as to the reality of what truly goes on. Funny how a few people who do not live in a South Central Los Angeles, Compton, etc., will claim that something does happen here, yet they do not live here.

Believe it or not, substantial evidence exists as to Hispanic and Black disturbances, some being very deadly, to both Hispanics and Blacks.

With regard to the Black woman who related some of her personal experiences, regarding death threats against some one very close to her, perpetrated by Hispanics, it is my prerogative as to whether or not to mention her name.

Like anyone else she is entitled to her privacy. Unlike the tendency of many Blacks toward other Black people, I'm not about to betray her, by mentioning her name, etc., etc. What happened, happened, and this activity does occur. There are too many treasonous Black people for me to share the specifics.

....Considering some of the activity that occurs on this board, and the reality of "Black on Black self-hatred", it would be more of a detriment than any benefit to mention her name, etc., etc. The typical Black middle class, so-called Black elected leadership does not have a history, or track record of competently serving the best interest of "rank and file" Blacks.

Tension between the Hispanic and the Black community most certainly exists, and again it is not just me saying so!

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.....and the threat of violence was real enough that 29,200 students were kept at home by their parents, or other legal guardian, from attending school on Cinco de Maya Day

"http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs7.2may07,1,4872661.story?coll=la-headlines-california

IN BRIEF LOS ANGELES COUNTY / LOS ANGELES
Students Return After Cinco de Mayo Rumors

From Times Staff and Wire Reports, May 7, 2005

Tens of thousands of students in the Los Angeles Unified School District returned to class Friday after rumors of impending gang violence tied to Cinco de Mayo proved unfounded.

School officials said 29,200 middle and high school students were absent Friday, compared with 51,000 who stayed away from school Thursday, in part due to the fear of violence.

Officials said Thursday's absences could cost the district nearly $600,000.

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times"

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Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

Lofton......that whole dialogue is stupid...do you really think I have to live somewhere to understand what is going on? we do not have to do that for somewhere like Iraq.......and it is miles away...unlike LA where i live close to...and actually have lived in....Crenshaw and Jefferson....but I have been in La for some reason or another since 1984...and even if I was slow I would have had it figured out by now....so quit trying to attach some mystique o another urban area..cuz it ain't happening......

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
Lofton......that whole dialogue is stupid...do you really think I have to live somewhere to understand what is going on? we do not have to do that for somewhere like Iraq.......and it is miles away...unlike LA where i live close to...and actually have lived in....Crenshaw and Jefferson....but I have been in La for some reason or another since 1984...and even if I was slow I would have had it figured out by now....so quit trying to attach some mystique o another urban area..cuz it ain't happening......

....Same response

.....nor has it been proven where illegal immigrant-serving-foreign-interests-at-the- expense-of-South-Central-Los-Angeles-unfit-to-hold-the-position-of-so-much-as-"dog catcher"-let-alone-California-State-Assemblyman, in no good Merv Dymally.

It has yet to be proven where he is a citizen. Even if it was proven that he is a citizen, he is still a misfit, and unfit to hold elected office, in any capacity.

....but I suppose, speaking of a no good serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of a Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc., the 52nd State Assembly District in a Compton, or South Central Los Angeles, would include Africa, Asia, the Caribbeans, or other foreign countries??

Enough of no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally. I've condemned many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the Black middle class, etc., etc., with good reason for doing so!

One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood" Burke, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ambulance Chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, "Kerosene" Waters, Killer/Butcher King Hospital, "Little Napoleon" Marc Ridley Thomas, "Always Missing in Action" Congresswoman Diane Watson, the Felon turned Preacher former Congressman Walter Tucker, in a class of poverty pimps beyond all others no good Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, etc., etc., etc., and the so-called Black middleclass and/or university educated who protect, defend, serve, and praise this trash!

....and to think, the Felony Cocaine Snorting former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry, topped it all. Marion Barry would be a "Saint" when compared to these individuals!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

I understand now Lofton......you have never read anything in your life..but you like to take the misfortunes and shortcomings of blacks, celebrate them and then act like you actually contributed something with intellectual content....that is what that slave-minded house negra larry elder does.....and he calls himself the sage from south central....a sage is one who imparts wisdom on others.....a good self-perception is okay....as long as it is not delusional and grounded in non-reality...man I never knew some black people were that psychologically afflicted with being black....wow, the white man's work did succeed in some cases....social engineering at its finest.....

quote:

Originally posted by Kevin41:
I understand now Lofton......you have never read anything in your life..but you like to take the misfortunes and shortcomings of blacks, celebrate them and then act like you actually contributed something with intellectual content....that is what that slave-minded house negra larry elder does.....and he calls himself the sage from south central....a sage is one who imparts wisdom on others.....a good self-perception is okay....as long as it is not delusional and grounded in non-reality...man I never knew some black people were that psychologically afflicted with being black....wow, the white man's work did succeed in some cases....social engineering at its finest.....

......same response,

.....nor has it been proven where illegal immigrant-serving-foreign-interests-at-the- expense-of-South-Central-Los-Angeles-unfit-to-hold-the-position-of-so-much-as-"dog catcher"-let-alone-California-State-Assemblyman, in no good Merv Dymally.

It has yet to be proven where he is a citizen. Even if it was proven that he is a citizen, he is still a misfit, and unfit to hold elected office, in any capacity.

....but I suppose, speaking of a no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally

.....serving foreign interests at the expense of the residents of a Compton, South Central Los Angeles, etc., the 52nd State Assembly District in a Compton, or South Central Los Angeles, would include Africa, Asia, the Caribbeans, or other foreign countries??

Enough of no good illegal immigrant serving foreign interests at the expense of South Central Los Angeles no good Merv Dymally. I've condemned many of the so-called Black elected leaders, the Black middle class, etc., etc., with good reason for doing so!

One need not look far for new material as applied to Ghettopoly in Real Life, than to observe the actions of no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally, "Brentwood" Burke, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Ambulance Chasing Attorney Johnny Cochran, "Kerosene" Waters, Killer/Butcher King Hospital, "Little Napoleon" Marc Ridley Thomas, "Always Missing in Action" Congresswoman Diane Watson, the Felon turned Preacher former Congressman Walter Tucker, in a class of poverty pimps beyond all others no good Poverty Pimping Danny Bakewell, etc., etc., etc., and the so-called Black middleclass and/or university educated who protect, defend, serve, and praise this trash!

....and to think, the Felony Cocaine Snorting former Washington D.C. Mayor Marion Barry, topped it all. Marion Barry would be a "Saint" when compared to these individuals!

Sincerely,

Michael Lofton

LOFTON posted

quote:

....but I suppose, speaking of a no good illegal immigrant Merv Dymally

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 5 EXECUTIVE


SEC. 2. The Governor shall be an elector who has been a citizen of the United States and a resident of this State for 5 years immediately preceding the Governor's election.

SEC. 9. The Lieutenant Governor shall have the same qualifications as the Governor.


Mervyn M. Dymally, Ph.D. (born May 12, 1926 in Cedros, Trinidad and Tobago) is a California politician. Currently a member of the California State Assembly, Dymally was previously a member of the United States House of Representatives, Lieutenant Governor of California and the first African American to serve in the California State Senate. As a member of the House of Representative, he was the first foreign-born black Member of Congress and the first Person of Indian Origin to serve in the U.S. Congress.