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The True History of Malcolm X and the NOI

The history of Malcolm X has been told a number of times and from many angles coming from those who loved him from a distance - but never knew him. Missing from that same history, however, are the voices of those who knew the man and were active with him in the Nation of Islam (NOI) when he was the national representative of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad and who remain active in the NOI under the guidance of Minister Louis Farrakhan.

Some who love the revolutionary figure blame the NOI and Min. Farrakhan for Malcolm X's tragic end February 21, 1965, when he was assassinated in New York's Audobon Ballroom while giving a speech. Many who love him today only know the Malcolm X that has been sold to the public through books, movies and articles produced, written and promoted by others who also never knew the man or the circumstances of his life and times in the NOI.

Abdul Wazir Muhammad (AWM), 74, a long time NOI minister who met Malcolm X in the late 1950s and worked with, learned from and grew to love him, offers another perspective on the man that is not often presented. Still active with the NOI and a staunch supporter of Min. Farrakhan, Bro. Wazir recently spoke with The Black House News (BHN) and shared some of his recollections about the Malcolm X he knew and how that man compares with the anti-NOI hero that has been manufactured, spread and largely accepted around the world.
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We are supposed to believe that this biased view is more objective than any others?

I bought some mohammed Speaks newspapers when I was in grammar school. I learned about their mythology. My thought than was, "How could anybody believe this nonsense." So I confess I have a doubtful attitude about anyone that would join the NOI, including Malcolm X.

At least he had sense enough to break with them.

umbra [8]
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:

We are supposed to believe that this biased view is more objective than any others?



That's clearly, directly... ridiculously out of whack with what was said:

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Abdul Wazir Muhammad (AWM), 74, a long time NOI minister who met Malcolm X in the late 1950s and worked with, learned from and grew to love him, offers another perspective on the man that is not often presented.


There were clearly NO claims to be "more objective", just that, to this point, few if any of the people who have written about Malcolm X have actually lived with, worked with or known him, on a personal level.

That you would pose such a question, making such a baseless statement and the go on to, perhaps unwittingly, list your very own biased view... Well, that just shows how you didn't have enough sense to say something that made sense.

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Anyway... thanks for the info. 1Mile


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once again umbra, did you even read what you're attempting to comment on and argue about?

one thing about it, the brother speaking has got to be more objective than you because he actually knew malcolm - you didn't. so how would you know what was objective and what wasn't?

and if you think that most of what you have read about malcolm has NOT been biased, then you're in sadder shape than your tantrum here indicates.

please wake up!
I assume everything is biased, it is the degree and ridiculousness of bias that matters. I already said the fact that Malcolm even joined the NOI makes me wonder about him.

I notice you don't say anything about the NOI's mythology. What does that say about the objectivity of everyone ever involved in the organization?

Talk about waking up.

umbra [41]
for the THIRD time - did you even read the article umbra?

good god amighty!

as far as NOI mythology - what does that have to do with the information in the interview ... the interview that you didn't even read and yet are all up in the discussion. what are you afraid of?

the NOI teaches that white people were grafted out of black people .. you know grafting, the scientific process that white folks are utilizing today in their labs? if you think that is mythology what is your explanation for how white people came to be on the planet?

let's hear it.
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Originally posted by 1milehi:the NOI teaches that white people were grafted out of black people .. you know grafting, the scientific process that white folks are utilizing today in their labs? if you think that is mythology what is your explanation for how white people came to be on the planet?

let's hear it.



... and something about a mothership full of black scientists orbiting the earth? Which Farrakhan has claimed to have been on?
LOL

you want me to answer all of your questions but for some reason .... fear, intimidation, *shrug*, you don't want to answer mine.

if you don't want to answer mine or anyone else's, why are you in this thread? i have no more answers for you until you can be forthcoming with some of your own.

what are you afraid of? so afraid that you can't even read a harmless article but are all up in here trying to get other people to disregard what you THINK is in it. where is the logic in that? (don't worry umbra, you don't have to answer that, it's a rhetorical question).
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
... and something about a mothership full of black scientists orbiting the earth? Which Farrakhan has claimed to have been on?


yes there is teaching of a mother plane (never said to have been full of "black" scientists). and min. farrakhan has often talked about a "vision" he had years ago. yes? what of it?

what does all this have to do with the topic of this thread?
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Malcolm's great ability - a blessing and a curse

He had a problem, [however], and that was having this great big head, this great big mind. Oftentimes, he assumed leadership position that he didn't really have.



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what are you afraid of? so afraid that you can't even read a harmless article but are all up in here trying to get other people to disregard what you THINK is in it. where is the logic in that? (don't worry umbra, you don't have to answer that, it's a rhetorical question).


I have heard this egoistic crap about being afraid, before and before and before... YAWN! I grew up in Chicago. Malcom X was shot shortly before my 13th birthday. I have met and talked to Black Muslims. The way you sound it might even have been before you were born. You and that article aren't saying anything new to me. From watching videos of Malcolm and stuff I have read I find it difficult to understand why someone of his intelligence got involved with them. I remember being impressed by a Black Muslim restaurant when I was a kid and I could see working with them on a strictly economic basis, but I would want nothing to do with the religion.

umbra [68]
okay umbra - you still never directly answered the question - but okay. you have issues with the NOI and that is very clear by the way you have conducted yourself in this thread.

do your thing!!! i don't have time for the runaround and just for the record, you never did come up with a better explanation for how white people came to be on the planet. ;-)

you reject NOI "mythology" but isn't it true that you accept much of the white man's mythology, tales, explanations, etc.? and without question too, but you have a problem with NOI teachings. why? because they came from people who look like you and the white man doesn't give his approval of them?
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Originally posted by 1milehi:
you reject NOI "mythology" but isn't it true that you accept much of the white man's mythology, tales, explanations, etc.? and without question too, but you have a problem with NOI teachings. why? because they came from people who look like you and the white man doesn't give his approval of them?


Why is it that the only defense the NOI has for its tales (that I've heard time and time again) is "well, nigga, you'll believe the white man's tales..." ????? Roll Eyes

Is that really the best that can be done?
honest brother, i asked you what your question (about the motherplane) had to do with the article. you come back talking about "okay, i read it. what am i supposed to get out of it?"

LOL

you have issues with the NOI too and like i told umbra, do your thing! the silliness is too much for me. nobody asked either one of you to come in here .... but here you are talking about "what am i supposed to get out of it." all i can do right about now is LOL @ you two.

what a shame! and you "know" the NOI "blew away" malcolm - how? were you there or do you take the white man's word, i.e. mythology for gospel truth while at the same time criticizing your own black people for the same thing?
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you reject NOI "mythology" but isn't it true that you accept much of the white man's mythology, tales, explanations, etc.? and without question too,


You can believe I accept anything if you want.

Example: I worked for IBM for 4 years. They came out with a machine called a Datamaster 23 which replaced another machine, the 5100. I wanted to know how much faster the new machine was than the old one. I assumed the new one was faster. I wrote my own benchmarks and keyed them in and tested both machines myself. The old machine was almost twice as fast as the new one in both benchmarks.

The only reason I trust White people to tell me the time of day is because it is so easy to check. I have caught White people hiding information from other White people so often it ain't funny. I remember when I was a kid thinking how silly it was for the NOI to go aound talking, "The White Man is The Devil." But the more I have learned the more I have thought, "The White Man isn't the Devil, he isn't smart enough, but the Devil is his Prince. The Prince of LIARS.

The trouble with the NOI is they expect everyone to get emotional about this crap rather adopt cold calculating warfare tactics. Sun Tzu is more my style than either Farrakhan or Malcolm, though I'd sooner listen to Malcolm.

Evolution isn't something that can be tested and repeated like physics experiments so I can't say I know evolution is the case like I know how trnsistors work, but I regard it as an adequate explanation. The palefces have acknowledged they evolved from Africans. At least the ones with functioning brains. ROFL

umbrarchist [100]

ps - I conclude you are in the NOI.

http://www.sonshi.com/learn.html
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Originally posted by umbrarchist:
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you reject NOI "mythology" but isn't it true that you accept much of the white man's mythology, tales, explanations, etc.? and without question too,


You can believe I accept anything if you want.

Example: I worked for IBM for 4 years. They came out with a machine called a Datamaster 23 which replaced another machine, the 5100. I wanted to know how much faster the new machine was than the old one. I assumed the new one was faster. I wrote my own benchmarks and keyed them in and tested both machines myself. The old machine was almost twice as fast as the new one in both benchmarks.

The only reason I trust White people to tell me the time of day is because it is so easy to check. I have caught White people hiding information from other White people so often it ain't funny. I remember when I was a kid thinking how silly it was for the NOI to go aound talking, "The White Man is The Devil." But the more I have learned the more I have thought, "The White Man isn't the Devil, he isn't smart enough, but the Devil is his Prince. The Prince of LIARS.

The trouble with the NOI is they expect everyone to get emotional about this crap rather adopt cold calculating warfare tactics. Sun Tzu is more my style than either Farrakhan or Malcolm, though I'd sooner listen to Malcolm.

Evolution isn't something that can be tested and repeated like physics experiments so I can't say I know evolution is the case like I know how trnsistors work, but I regard it as an adequate explanation. The palefces have acknowledged they evolved from Africans. At least the ones with functioning brains. ROFL

umbrarchist

ps - I conclude you are in the NOI.

http://www.sonshi.com/learn.html


yeah appl
umbra, since you never directly answered my question, i won't be answering yours but you can conclude whatever you would like.

other than that, there are plenty of intelligent people who support the NOI, and believe NOI teachings - that should tell people something right there.

just because you can't relate to them doesn't mean anything other than to yourself and it's arrogant of you and/or honest brother to think otherwise. like you two speak for all black people.

malcolm x was no dummy and he would not have been the man that he turned out to be without NOI influence in his life. that should tell people something right there.

but you carry on and i hope you don't bust a blood vessel spitting blood & venom over your disdain for the nation. life is too short and i'm sure you have plenty of other things to be concerned with.

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