The REAL economic state of Black America....

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Originally posted by Raptor:
Dr. Anderson points out all the ethnic 'towns' sprinkled throughout this country. China town, little italy, hymietown, little poland, little havanna,... the list goes on.

Now,

If this isn't a form of nationalism, then I don't know what is. It is along these lines, or similar, that I advocate black nationalism. Not the component that says, 'hate everyone that doesn't look like you', but the component that says, 'lets do for us; self determination'.

It's the american way. And its no more radical than what has, is, and will continue to take place in this country as more immigrants arrive.

I've probably mentioned this before:

It's interesting how we have, for starters, plenty of gold/platinum recording artist/rappers growing up/living in the same hood, whether it be nyc, atl, or l.a. and they don't own the block that they grew up in? By that I mean, the stores, laundromats, apartments, grocery stores, local banks etc.

Like really, what's up with that?

This is one thing I find VERY disturbing. When Africans/Blacks express the EXACT SAME desire for ethno-aggregation, intra-nationally and inter-nationally, that EVERYONE ELSE already does and/or is in the process of implementing... We are the ONLY people calling each other 'radical'(in the pejorative sense) for daring to suggest/want/work towards such a thing...

It's as if many of us think:

normal = economic/social disenfranchisement, exploited resources & labour.. consuming rather than producing

radical = economic empowerment and self determination, ownership/control of our resources & labour... producing instead of consuming



Since the former can be done in a non-racially segregated form it's progressive...

While simultaneously nobody else besides us(since we do not yet practice it) does the latter in such a way...

Then what's really funny is the same people often think capitalism(the Amerikkkan way) is the shit... As if ethno-aggregation hasn't been the proven model under this system for any measure of progress...

It's as if we buy into the rugged individualism b.s. moreso than any other group, even though everythingin our reality points to the flaw in that theory...

I just don't get it... and we sound FOOLISH thinking along these lines...

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

This is one thing I find VERY disturbing. When Africans/Blacks express the EXACT SAME desire for ethno-aggregation, intra-nationally and inter-nationally, that EVERYONE ELSE already does and/or is in the process of implementing... We are the ONLY people calling each other 'radical'(in the pejorative sense) for daring to suggest/want/work towards such a thing...

I would think that the reason why that concept would seen as so *radical* to us is because we know nothing about it. As you've stated, we don't practice it .. never have on a large intra-community scale. It's a 'foreign' concept .. probably more than a little scary considering uncertainty and possibility of failure.

I guess in a way it could be termed a certain kind of "ignorance" ... simply not knowing what to do, how to do it, or what will happen if it's done.

Historically, Black people have not been strong initiators. We tend to sit back and wait for "the right thing" to happen, believing that righteousness and justice and fairness will always win out in the end.

We need a new game plan. No doubt about that.

I would think that the reason why that concept would seen as so *radical* to us is because we know nothing about it. As you've stated, we don't practice it .. never have on a large intra-community scale. It's a 'foreign' concept .. probably more than a little scary considering uncertainty and possibility of failure.

where did you get this concept from??

I guess in a way it could be termed a certain kind of "ignorance" ... simply not knowing what to do, how to do it, or what will happen if it's done.

Not true
Historically, Black people have not been strong initiators.

This could not be further from the truth.
We tend to sit back and wait for "the right thing" to happen, believing that righteousness and justice and fairness will always win out in the end.

If you look at history black people have been in the forefront of most movements in this country and around the world.

We need a new game plan. No doubt about that. sck

No we need to look at our ancestors and use what worked and discard those things that didnt work.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

This is one thing I find VERY disturbing. When Africans/Blacks express the EXACT SAME desire for ethno-aggregation, intra-nationally and inter-nationally, that EVERYONE ELSE already does and/or is in the process of implementing... We are the ONLY people calling each other 'radical'(in the pejorative sense) for daring to suggest/want/work towards such a thing...

I would think that the reason why that concept would seen as so *radical* to us is because we know nothing about it. As you've stated, we don't practice it .. never have on a large intra-community scale. It's a 'foreign' concept .. probably more than a little scary considering uncertainty and possibility of failure.

I gotta agree with Zakar on this one... Tulsa's Black Wall street, and other similar historical communities prove quite the opposite. I should have pointed out that a lot of the 'mindset' I mentioned was beaten/bombed into us over the years... The irony is we hold onto it even though the direct physical threat is no longer an issue...

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I guess in a way it could be termed a certain kind of "ignorance" ... simply not knowing what to do, how to do it, or what will happen if it's done.

I think it's more along the lines that we were forced to 'unlearn it' just to survive. For at one time we practiced it and were quite successful at it, but we were then tortured/punished for it. Now, we have gone about 2 generations and have somewhat 'lost the skills of economic communalism' so to speak. But that is only a temporary reality if we can do away with this backwards thought process...

But what frightens me is that so many of the supposedly well educated, 'successful'(in the individual sense), and self described 'culturally exposed' folk are the main one's labelling it as 'radical' under the false pretense of upholding some multi-cultural/integrational social ethic; as if social integration/multi-culturalism is threatened by an economically empowered African/Black populous, and is dependednt upon our specific groups economic disempowerment for it's survival! How do they completely miss the economic framework of ethno-aggregation that is behind every other groups upward climb in this country, and now internationally ,since we live in a global society,(that they are so supposedly exposed to) baffles me!

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For at one time we practiced it and were quite successful at it, but we were then tortured/punished for it. Now, we have gone about 2 generations and have somewhat 'lost the skills of economic communalism' so to speak.

OA, we must not forget that most of our "lost the skills of economic communalism" was NOT beaten/tortured out of us ... it was merely "granted alternative outlets", i.e., assimulated into the larger economic community. By this I mean, Black folks were allowed to go in the front door of the butcher shop and the Black butcher died; allowed to shop at Macy's and the Black clothier died; allowed to shop at the super walmart and the Black general store died. While at the same time, we've had business consultants telling the few Black businesses that survived, that they have to "diversify their customer base", i.e., stop marketing to, selling to, servicing Black folk, in order to survive and prosper.

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

This is one thing I find VERY disturbing. When Africans/Blacks express the EXACT SAME desire for ethno-aggregation, intra-nationally and inter-nationally, that EVERYONE ELSE already does and/or is in the process of implementing... We are the ONLY people calling each other 'radical'(in the pejorative sense) for daring to suggest/want/work towards such a thing...

I would think that the reason why that concept would seen as so *radical* to us is because we know nothing about it. As you've stated, we don't practice it .. never have on a large intra-community scale. It's a 'foreign' concept .. probably more than a little scary considering uncertainty and possibility of failure.

I gotta agree with Zakar on this one... Tulsa's Black Wall street, and other similar historical communities prove quite the opposite. I should have pointed out that a lot of the 'mindset' I mentioned was beaten/bombed into us over the years... The irony is we hold onto it even though the direct physical threat is no longer an issue...

I'm not saying that we're not capable of creating or maintaining this type of social dymanic ... what I'm saying is that it doesn't/hasn't happened on any type of wide scale.

Yes, there have been Tulsa's for us .. but how many? There's Black people everywhere .. but these types of socialized examples for Black people have happened here and there. It's not universal in our mindset to establish communities like that.

And, yes, the fact that they have been taken away when we did probably has a lot to do with the fact that they haven't been recreated in a very long time.

Also ... while it can definitely be argued that we 'have been on the forefront' of many social movements both here and around the world, it's just not true that we go rushing out to make the first move to initiate those fights.

It took MLK, as a leader, to mobilize Black folks into action, even though they had been suffering (individually) for decades. We didn't just jump up and decide to fight for better treatment. The Black Panther Party was created to advocate on behalf of ALL Black people ... but how many people, other than it's members, backed them up and supported them in their efforts??

Even going back to the Civil War ... obstensibly a fight for our own freedom .. Black people didn't take up arms in revolt of slavery ... they joined the Union Army to assist them in the fight for our freedom.

Back to today ... if it had been up to us, Barack would probably not be the president today because we didn't fully support him from the get-go .. a qualified Black man with the potential to lead the nation and offer to help us in our fight. We waiting until White people approved his assent to the top, and then we followed suit.

There's a difference in having a willingness to wage war .. and actually initiating the combat. African Americans, as a whole, do not have a "take charge" mentality. However, once a ball gets rolling, we will push that bad boy to and off the cliff, if that's what it takes to get the job done.

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:

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For at one time we practiced it and were quite successful at it, but we were then tortured/punished for it. Now, we have gone about 2 generations and have somewhat 'lost the skills of economic communalism' so to speak.

OA, we must not forget that most of our "lost the skills of economic communalism" was NOT beaten/tortured out of us ... it was merely "granted alternative outlets", i.e., assimulated into the larger economic community. By this I mean, Black folks were allowed to go in the front door of the butcher shop and the Black butcher died; allowed to shop at Macy's and the Black clothier died; allowed to shop at the super walmart and the Black general store died. While at the same time, we've had business consultants telling the few Black businesses that survived, that they have to "diversify their customer base", i.e., stop marketing to, selling to, servicing Black folk, in order to survive and prosper.

Very true and I'm not trying to minimize that, but we can't discount the real life terrorism we were under... Which made this concession that the system did make(after much pressure from us) much more acceptable to the masses...

BLACKS HAVE BEEN WAGING WAR SINCE WE WERE BROUGHT TO THIS HEMISPHERE THE FACT IS MANY OTHER BLACKS WHO LOVED BEING A SLAVE BETRAYED BLACKS.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:
I'm not saying that we're not capable of creating or maintaining this type of social dymanic ... what I'm saying is that it doesn't/hasn't happened on any type of wide scale.

Yes, there have been Tulsa's for us .. but how many? There's Black people everywhere .. but these types of socialized examples for Black people have happened here and there. It's not universal in our mindset to establish communities like that.

I'm not sure what history you are dealing with ER, but human history speaks to quite the opposite. I hope you aren't limiting 'us' to Amerikkka... We have been doing these things for millenia!

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Also ... while it can definitely be argued that we 'have been on the forefront' of many social movements both here and around the world, it's just not true that we go rushing out to make the first move to initiate those fights.

It took MLK, as a leader, to mobilize Black folks into action, even though they had been suffering (individually) for decades. We didn't just jump up and decide to fight for better treatment.

You are joking right? Marcus Garvey ER? Com now...

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There's a difference in having a willingness to wage war .. and actually initiating the combat. African Americans, as a whole, do not have a "take charge" mentality. However, once a ball gets rolling, we will push that bad boy to and off the cliff, if that's what it takes to get the job done.

Completely false. Africans in AMerikkka are a MINORITY, unlike other places, a minority that was and has been under a state of terrorism since we got here. Haiti alone destroys your argument.

The only way you can believe you r own statements is if you think of 'us' inside this country as a 'completely different creature' than our brethren/sistren abroad, rather than simply in 'different circumstances'...

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Completely false. Africans in AMerikkka are a MINORITY, unlike other places, a minority that was and has been under a state of terrorism since we got here. Haiti alone destroys your argument.

Haiti fought for and won independence .. and where are they now, OA?? Among one of the rich and powerful nations on earth, right??

They gained independence and can't sustain themselves. What good is that?

I'm not just talking about fighting. I'm talking about winning in the process. Fighting and getting your ass kicked doesn't count, in my book.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Completely false. Africans in AMerikkka are a MINORITY, unlike other places, a minority that was and has been under a state of terrorism since we got here. Haiti alone destroys your argument.

Haiti fought for and won independence .. and where are they now, OA?? Among one of the rich and powerful nations on earth, right??

They gained independence and can't sustain themselves. What good is that?

Now ER, do I really have to explain the centuries long economic and political boycott and punishment Haiti has been under as punishment for their impunity?

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I'm not just talking about fighting. I'm talking about winning in the process. Fighting and getting your ass kicked doesn't count, in my book.

And as you know. I think that Pan Africanism is the solution to that issue... All victories made in isolation are always going to be under threat of backsliding if we don't aggregate internationally.

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Originally posted by EbonyRose:

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:

Completely false. Africans in AMerikkka are a MINORITY, unlike other places, a minority that was and has been under a state of terrorism since we got here. Haiti alone destroys your argument.

Haiti fought for and won independence .. and where are they now, OA?? Among one of the rich and powerful nations on earth, right??

They gained independence and can't sustain themselves. What good is that?

I'm not just talking about fighting. I'm talking about winning in the process. Fighting and getting your ass kicked doesn't count, in my book.

*ack*


Ebony! ya killing me! Killing me!

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For at one time we practiced it and were quite successful at it, but we were then tortured/punished for it. Now, we have gone about 2 generations and have somewhat 'lost the skills of economic communalism' so to speak.

I don't know about economic communalism but this stupid competiton over cars and clothes and stereos and big screen TVs is a way to be manipulated to spend money.

I have seen ads for flat screen monitors talking about digital envy.

My techno-trash is better than your techno-trash.

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Ok I see some good points being made and as promised I will now start the first of a series of posts I will share regarding solutions and what Blacks are going to need to do in order to weather the coming storms...I once created a thread on another site regarding this subject matter that I never finished because I decided to leave that particular site. Those posters who followed the thread on that other site that also happen to be here should be familar with some of the things I will now say. I'm going to pick up where I left off over there and hopefully I will be able to complete it this time......


As I have said in my previous posts the key motivating factor that will produce stimuli for TRUE black consciousness will be from socio-economic forces that are converging against us as we speak. Most conscious blacks anticipate that at some point their ranks will grow but no one addresses what would be the CATALYST for this to occur. There has never been in human history any significant social change without a major precipitating event to provoke it. Especially where OPPRESSED people are concerned lets now take a brief look through the kaleidoscope of history to see some examples of this....

The optimum time in which a people can be freed from an oppressor is when that oppressor is fighting for his OWN survival this has been proven throughout history. Take how Haiti won it's independence for example in addition to the sheer BRILLIANCE of BLACK commanders Toussaint L' Ouverture and Jean-Jacques Dessalines the fact that Napolean was under seige himself helped to mitigate the effectiveness of his forces when he tried to reclaim Haiti as a French colony. The black commanders took FULL advantage of this misfortune and handed him the WORST defeat ever inflicted on the French from a NON european power up to that point. Now I know a lot of people view Haiti as a basket case however one must realize that the problems that Haiti is suffering from are directly based on the fact that it humiliated the colonial powers. Which is why to this day it's treated as an economic pariah...this is why a strong and unified African America Bloc and strong Pan African links are important because it can go a long way in reversing and counteracting some of these global misdeeds being done to legitimate Black states around the world.

Take a look now at all the African nations that were freed from colonialism a big factor for this was because of WORLD WAR II the British, French, Dutch and Belgian's were all nearly Bankrupted of men and material from fighting the "Axis powers" consisting of the Germans, Italy and the Japanese so they could not economically maintain their far flung empires anymore. The same goes for how India and the nations in South east Asia that were under European colonial rule gained their freedom also.

Obviously those oppressed peoples own actions were instrumental in their freedom to however the major CATALYST for such freedom came in the form of ENORMOUS calamities coming down on the oppressors which facilitated it.

We as a people need to STOP taking personally the things that are happening to this American White Man because we are NOT the ones that have those most to lose in this country HE does. In much the same way those aforementioned oppressed peoples masterfully used their oppressors misfortune to their advantage we can do the same. The Chinese for example use the same character in their calligraphy to describe a CRISIS and OPPORTUNITY the white mans crisis is OUR opportunity.

I would like to believe that my people will take the initiative and make the proper changes to their behavior VOLUNTARILY while we still have time. Unfortunately I know my people too well and although I have faith that we will ultimately come out ahead I know that we are going to have to take our share of lumps along the way because sadly there are still too many of us who are willing to seek out the white man and HIS system for salvation and it's going to take the white man himself to VIOLENTLY disengage himself from this DEPENDENT and TOXIC relationship.

He will do just that as his fight for his own survival intensifies and he is forced to snatch away what little crumbs he is willing to give to the negro. The negro will then be forced into a position where he has to deal with his biggest problem which is HIMSELF and his unwillingness to pursue his God given right of TRUE freedom and independence

In my next post I will deal with some of the ways we hold ourselves back and how we CAN and MUST overcome these psychological obstacles to our own group success as a people.

originally posted by LieDecrypter

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In my next post I will deal with some of the ways we hold ourselves back and how we CAN and MUST overcome these psychological obstacles to our own group success as a people.

looking forward to reading more.

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
Ok I see some good points being made and as promised I will now start the first of a series of posts I will share regarding solutions and what Blacks are going to need to do in order to weather the coming storms...I once created a thread on another site regarding this subject matter that I never finished because I decided to leave that particular site. Those posters who followed the thread on that other site that also happen to be here should be familar with some of the things I will now say. I'm going to pick up where I left off over there and hopefully I will be able to complete it this time......


As I have said in my previous posts the key motivating factor that will produce stimuli for TRUE black consciousness will be from socio-economic forces that are converging against us as we speak. Most conscious blacks anticipate that at some point their ranks will grow but no one addresses what would be the CATALYST for this to occur. There has never been in human history any significant social change without a major precipitating event to provoke it. Especially where OPPRESSED people are concerned lets now take a brief look through the kaleidoscope of history to see some examples of this....

The optimum time in which a people can be freed from an oppressor is when that oppressor is fighting for his OWN survival this has been proven throughout history. Take how Haiti won it's independence for example in addition to the sheer BRILLIANCE of BLACK commanders Toussaint L' Ouverture and Jean-Jacques Dessalines the fact that Napolean was under seige himself helped to mitigate the effectiveness of his forces when he tried to reclaim Haiti as a French colony. The black commanders took FULL advantage of this misfortune and handed him the WORST defeat ever inflicted on the French from a NON european power up to that point. Now I know a lot of people view Haiti as a basket case however one must realize that the problems that Haiti is suffering from are directly based on the fact that it humiliated the colonial powers. Which is why to this day it's treated as an economic pariah...this is why a strong and unified African America Bloc and strong Pan African links are important because it can go a long way in reversing and counteracting some of these global misdeeds being done to legitimate Black states around the world.

Take a look now at all the African nations that were freed from colonialism a big factor for this was because of WORLD WAR II the British, French, Dutch and Belgian's were all nearly Bankrupted of men and material from fighting the "Axis powers" consisting of the Germans, Italy and the Japanese so they could not economically maintain their far flung empires anymore. The same goes for how India and the nations in South east Asia that were under European colonial rule gained their freedom also.

Obviously those oppressed peoples own actions were instrumental in their freedom to however the major CATALYST for such freedom came in the form of ENORMOUS calamities coming down on the oppressors which facilitated it.

We as a people need to STOP taking personally the things that are happening to this American White Man because we are NOT the ones that have those most to lose in this country HE does. In much the same way those aforementioned oppressed peoples masterfully used their oppressors misfortune to their advantage we can do the same. The Chinese for example use the same character in their calligraphy to describe a CRISIS and OPPORTUNITY the white mans crisis is OUR opportunity.

I would like to believe that my people will take the initiative and make the proper changes to their behavior VOLUNTARILY while we still have time. Unfortunately I know my people too well and although I have faith that we will ultimately come out ahead I know that we are going to have to take our share of lumps along the way because sadly there are still too many of us who are willing to seek out the white man and HIS system for salvation and it's going to take the white man himself to VIOLENTLY disengage himself from this DEPENDENT and TOXIC relationship.

He will do just that as his fight for his own survival intensifies and he is forced to snatch away what little crumbs he is willing to give to the negro. The negro will then be forced into a position where he has to deal with his biggest problem which is HIMSELF and his unwillingness to pursue his God given right of TRUE freedom and independence

In my next post I will deal with some of the ways we hold ourselves back and how we CAN and MUST overcome these psychological obstacles to our own group success as a people.

FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! YOU'RE talking out of your ASS just like your fearless leader Dr. Anderson. DON'T NOBODY WANT TO READ YOUR WORTHLESS BULLSHIT PREACHING!!!


There isn't SHIT in this post but GENERALIZED, AMBIGUOUS, INCONCLUSIVE, VAGUE BULLSHIT!!!!


WHERE the FUCK are the motherfucking SOLUTIONS you promised you'd discuss WEEKS AGO, DUMBASS!?!?!?!


AIN'T NOBODY ASKING YOU FOR NO DAMN CHRONICLES OF BLACK COMMANDERS AND SHIT PEOPLE ON THIS DISCUSSION BOARD ALREADY KNOW ABOUT!! The FUCK is wrong with YOU!?!?! DON'T NOBODY WANT TO READ NO FUCKING BEDTIME STORIES, FABLES, FAIRYTALES, and SHIT!!! What the FUCK does all this PANDERING and PREACHING have to do with devising a tangible, tried and tested SOLUTION to EMPOWER THE BLACK COMMUNITY??? If ANYBODY, including your CONSPIRACY THEORIST, DR. ANDERSON'S LAME ASS REDNECK PREACHING ASS HAD EVEN SO MUCH AS A CLUE HOW TO SAVE THE BLACK COMMUNITY DON'T YOU FUCKING THINK SOMEONE WOULD HAVE INACTED IT BY NOW? Even if YOUR dumbass had a CLUE how to comprehensively, systematically, and institutionally SAVE the black community YOUR DUMBASS wouldn't be sitting up in this discussion board promising people some BULLSHIT wet dream you thought of while smoking CRACK. YOUR DUMBASS would be out there in the community constructing your PLAN--except YOU HAVE NO PLAN. Don't NOBODY want to read some BULLSHIT that took you SEVERAL WEEKS to research online. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE IDEA. The fuck outta here with your nonesense--wasting peoples' time with all this fucking BULLSHIT.

ADMIT IT!! YOU DON'T HAVE NO FUCKING ANSWERS!! NO SOLUTIONS!!! NO IDEAS!!! YOU trying to make this out to be BIGGER than what the problem REALLY IS: PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SOLUTIONS?!?!?!?

Where are the MOTHER-FUCKING SOLUTIONS!?!?!

YOU TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU HAVE THE SECRET TO THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH OR YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO START ANOTHER BIG BANG AND CREATE ANOTHER UNIVERSE JUST FOR NEGROES and you can't even wipe your own ASS good.


IT AIN'T NO BIG FUCKING SUPERNATURAL ANSWER TO SOME UNIVERSAL RIDDLE. THE ANSWER WAS, HAS BEEN, AND ALWAYS WILL BE RIGHT IN THE FACES OF BLACK PEOPLE UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! YOU'RE talking out of your ASS just like your fearless leader Dr. Anderson. DON'T NOBODY WANT TO READ YOUR WORTHLESS BULLSHIT PREACHING!!!


There isn't SHIT in this post but GENERALIZED, AMBIGUOUS, INCONCLUSIVE, VAGUE BULLSHIT!!!!


WHERE the FUCK are the motherfucking SOLUTIONS you promised you'd discuss WEEKS AGO, DUMBASS!?!?!?!


AIN'T NOBODY ASKING YOU FOR NO DAMN CHRONICLES OF BLACK COMMANDERS AND SHIT PEOPLE ON THIS DISCUSSION BOARD ALREADY KNOW ABOUT!! The FUCK is wrong with YOU!?!?! DON'T NOBODY WANT TO READ NO FUCKING BEDTIME STORIES, FABLES, FAIRYTALES, and SHIT!!! What the FUCK does all this PANDERING and PREACHING have to do with devising a tangible, tried and tested SOLUTION to EMPOWER THE BLACK COMMUNITY??? If ANYBODY, including your CONSPIRACY THEORIST, DR. ANDERSON'S LAME ASS REDNECK PREACHING ASS HAD EVEN SO MUCH AS A CLUE HOW TO SAVE THE BLACK COMMUNITY DON'T YOU FUCKING THINK SOMEONE WOULD HAVE INACTED IT BY NOW? Even if YOUR dumbass had a CLUE how to comprehensively, systematically, and institutionally SAVE the black community YOUR DUMBASS wouldn't be sitting up in this discussion board promising people some BULLSHIT wet dream you thought of while smoking CRACK. YOUR DUMBASS would be out there in the community constructing your PLAN--except YOU HAVE NO PLAN. Don't NOBODY want to read some BULLSHIT that took you SEVERAL WEEKS to research online. YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR OWN COMPREHENSIVE IDEA. The fuck outta here with your nonesense--wasting peoples' time with all this fucking BULLSHIT.

ADMIT IT!! YOU DON'T HAVE NO FUCKING ANSWERS!! NO SOLUTIONS!!! NO IDEAS!!! YOU trying to make this out to be BIGGER than what the problem REALLY IS: PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY.

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING SOLUTIONS?!?!?!?

Where are the MOTHER-FUCKING SOLUTIONS!?!?!

YOU TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU HAVE THE SECRET TO THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH OR YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO START ANOTHER BIG BANG AND CREATE ANOTHER UNIVERSE JUST FOR NEGROES and you can't even wipe your own ASS good.


IT AIN'T NO BIG FUCKING SUPERNATURAL ANSWER TO SOME UNIVERSAL RIDDLE. THE ANSWER WAS, HAS BEEN, AND ALWAYS WILL BE RIGHT IN THE FACES OF BLACK PEOPLE UNTIL THE END OF TIME.

LOL, agreed, fantasy bullshyt. And this caped crusader LieDecrypter had the nerve to call herostar a coon. Crackaz love condescending, conceited, ideologue Negroes like LieDecrypter because he is totally inept and powerless with fantasy BS and is the first to turn on and name call people he is suppose to care so much about that don't subscribe to his BS. Much of what he is talking about is BS from the 70’s nothing new.

Romulus, ideologues are so conceited and full of BS it is almost impossible to have an exchange of ideas with them because they have all the answers and must have the long winded last word. They are no different from religious fanatics who know their views and way of life is sanctioned by god almighty.

IDEOLOGUES ARE STUCK ON STUPID!

With all due respect, give the brutha time to get to where he's going ... If you can't do that, then the ignore function still works.

Romulous, not only do you come off petty & childish (& a liar to boot), you're also VERY jealous of LieDecrypter for some strange reason.

Now 'why' is that? I wonder. . .

What. you too weak to control your own green-eyed devil?

Sure, you can 'cuss' . . .you have a bad mouth. . .so damn what! That doesn't make you a man. . .ACTIONS determine that and 'your actions' show you LACKING in the 'man' department.

by the way. . .

THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM AND YOU (of all people) DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is not your board. . .you are not the founder. . .

how do you get off trying to control/dictate the 'topics' (by harassing the members)

truthfully, you shouldn't be allow to do that (with your foul self).

Yet here you are trying to screw up everyone else's board experience or at least 'this thread'.

like a spoiled brat.

@Momentum. . .
if LieDecrypter's commentary is only a repeat of something you've read before, why even bother to read it?

Wait. A better question is 'why' contribute to the negativity simply because you consider LD's commentary a 'repeat' of the 70s?

I don't get it

Whether y'all realize it or not, you are preventing others (who might WANT to read what LieDecrypter has to say) from reading his commentary 'possibly' for the very first time.

Another thought. . .

maybe some folks don't mind IDEOLOGUES

This is a public message board, where not everyone is of the same mind-set. . .we are all different, why not allow others to make up their own minds whether or not IDEOLOGUES ARE STUCK ON STUPID!

Y'all can skip the thread or. . .

is that a difficult concept?

Dang, this is NOT the 'only' the thread on the board.

*Speaking for myself, y'all are spoiling it for me and I wish you'd both stop.

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I don't get it

You got damn right. and we all know what a damn fulbright scholarship candidate you are.

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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
With all due respect, give the brutha time to get to where he's going ... If you can't do that, then the ignore function still works.

With all due respect ( ) that cornball crackhead had TWO MOTHERFUCKING THREADS to talk about some got damn SOLUTIONS. While you and fabulous' crack-brained ass was cheering this idiot along like he's fuckin' WARREN BUFFET you two should have been shooting that FOOL some private messages coaching his DUMBASS on how to BACK UP his BULLSHIT with SUBSTANTIAL, ENLIGHTENING, THOUGHT PROVOKING, INFORMATIVE information--

NONE OF THAT SHIT EVER HAPPENED IN EITHER THREAD.

--not that you two DING BATS had any credible ideas or solutions yourselves but dumbass lyingassdiecryptor needs somebody's finger to suck on since zakar washed his hands of that dimwhit.



And by the way, IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY CRITICISM OF THAT FLIM FLAM PHONY YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR IGNORE BUTTON IS, SUCKER.

quote:

LOL, agreed, fantasy bullshyt. And this caped crusader LieDecrypter had the nerve to call herostar a coon. Crackaz love condescending, conceited, ideologue Negroes like LieDecrypter because he is totally inept and powerless with fantasy BS and is the first to turn on and name call people he is suppose to care so much about that don't subscribe to his BS. Much of what he is talking about is BS from the 70’s nothing new.

Romulus, ideologues are so conceited and full of BS it is almost impossible to have an exchange of ideas with them because they have all the answers and must have the long winded last word. They are no different from religious fanatics who know their views and way of life is sanctioned by god almighty.

IDEOLOGUES ARE STUCK ON STUPID!

See, I try my best to be objective and listen to opposing opinions but not if there's no opposing opinion to listen to.

Okay, if a one person doesn't agree with another person's idea--fine, cool beans. As long as the other person at least has some kind of substantial, credible, feasible information to offer.

lyingassdiecryptor offered no such information.

Any negro can talk all day about what's wrong with black America but can a person actually sit down and come up with a comprehensive plan to save the black community is the question.

The problem with that idiot is he's trying to re-invent the wheel except all he's coming up with is a big ass rectangular BLOCK.

generally speaking, I don't care who you are--if you have a BETTER idea on how to empower the black community, then fine. But don't sit your DUMBASS there criticizing tried, tested, and PROVEN methods of empowering black people in the community, specifically, black youth--dismissing educating, mentoring, and informing disadvantaged and ill-informed blacks as "RUGGID INDIVIDUALISM" but YOUR DUMBASS ain't got ONE SOLUTION to offer otherwise.

quote:

Originally posted by lyingassdiecryptor:

Ok I see some good points being made and as promised I will now start the first of a series of posts I will share regarding solutions and what Blacks are going to need to do in order to weather the coming storms...

SOLUTIONS, MOTHAFUCKA!! DO YOU HAVE ANY????

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by lyingassdiecryptor:

Ok I see some good points being made and as promised I will now start the first of a series of posts I will share regarding solutions and what Blacks are going to need to do in order to weather the coming storms...

SOLUTIONS, MOTHAFUCKA!! DO YOU HAVE ANY????

Seeing that picture of Samuel L. Jackson surprised me, that I just started laughing. I just finished watching "Pulp Fiction" on AMC, about an hour ago.

@ Kweli: I'm glad to see someone with enough sense to understand that the approach to discussing all the problems afflicting the Black community should be like a surgeon with a scapple (which takes time) instead of just using a meat cleaver by screaming empty profanity filled rants about wanting "solutions"...If more brothers were like you instead of the aforementioned type then maybe Blacks would be better off right now.

@ Fabulous: I appreciate you having a brutha's back and keeping the Barbarians at the gate while I'm offline...I mean but dang girl you're doing such a good job checking Romulousy you're not leaving much for me to do when I get home...you done took so much of that fools manhood that both him and society should be paying you for the vasectomy that you've performed on him....


@ Momentum: Instead of coming in here trying to co-sign someone like Romulousy who not only has bad credit but is basically BANKRUPT perhaps you can share your own enlightened perspectives with us. As far as I know this is the first post you've made in this thread so instead of wasting space piggy backing on Romulousy's lunacy you could have taken that time to spell out your own "solutions". Since like I said this is an OPEN discussion meaning that I welcome all other perspectives and the fact that you and Romo want to wait on me to solve all the problems tells me that YOU are placing me on a higher pedestal than even the one you claim I'm putting myself on.

You go on to spout some gibberish about my being an "ideologue" (like it's a pejorative or something) when everyone one this site is an ideologue since all we are doing online is sharing our ideas...you then make the daft claim that Crakaz love negroes like me when in fact I'm the type they most fear I'm the field negro that spent enough time in the house to see how it runs and is trying to share it with other field negroes so we can have our own house. You're the negro sitting in the corner complaining while contributing nothing to the cause slowing up the process all while lending your support to the house negro....so no I think you're really the one that Crakaz love..

Momentum instead of saying something is from the "70's" (as if that makes something bad...besides I don't remember reading about any great separatist movements back then) why don't you either grace us with your own rendition of solutions to Black issues or you can just STFU and keep it moving just like your screen name implies...


@ Romulus: First of all you need to just take time and calm your hyperactive hot a$$ breath blowin self down and actually READ what people are saying for once in your miserable life....Now I never said that I was going to produce a single magic bullet that would solve all our problems overnight. I said from the very beginning when I stated that the discussion should be shifted towards solutions that EVERYONE was encouraged to contribute.

The fact that you in such ignorant and frankly cry babyish tones are screaming for me to solely produce a solution to your convoluted specifications tells me you are less concerned about contributing to a healthy dialog as you are with trying to create distractions and finding some sort of "gotcha" moment. So what you need to do is wait until I have said my peace and AFTER I have completed all of what I plan to say THEN you can jump in with a COGENT and SUBSTANTIVE rationale as to why you feel your "solutions" are better. Until then just shut your flap and try to hold on to what little amount of dignity and manhood that Fabulous has left you with...before I take the rest.


Anyway, moving on......

I have a lot to say on this subject so that's the reason that I requested before and I'm STILL requesting that others get involved to share their perspectives...because I know that if I'm the only one speaking it will appear as if I'm dictating my manifesto which is not the reason I started this thread. I welcome any REAL and SUBSTANTIVE critique of anything I say all I ask is that it be a FAIR criticism coupled with your own solution and not just the pontification and haterism from the side line that some people want to engage in. Having said that I will proceed to give my perspective on the things facing Blacks and how we should deal with it...In these postings I'm going to touch on several issues that I feel are holding blacks back some will be controversial and some people won't like what I'm going to say. These things however MUST be said and I'm not here for people to like me or win a popularity contest so I don't mind if people take issue with what I say.

Among the issues I want to address is absentee parents (especially the missing black fathers who don't even want to pay child support and how that's destroying our future). The black communities willingness to aid and abet a CRIMINAL mentality i.e., the "no snitching" movement, "thug life" etc,. Black economic decadence and Religion......

As I mentioned previously I would like us now to turn the microscope on ourselves for a moment and address some of the MANY ways blacks exacerbate the problems that we already have. Something that must be stated with respect to the two belief systems that say that the solution to the Black problem is only PERSONSAL RESPONSIBILITY or SEPARATING FROM WHITES....The fact of the matter is BOTH of these need to be done...Debating what's doing the most harm to blacks between WHITE racism and our own SELF inflicted damage is like debating which blade cuts the paper on a pair of scissors. They BOTH work together and thats the reason white racism AND our own self inflicted damage is so potent because they work TOGETHER to keep us back... Consequently the reason we are held back is because we won't work TOGETHER to deal with it.
The way I see it whites have provided the socio-economic construct or framework by which to marginalize and oppress blacks. However blacks provide the CONTENT that's within this framework vis-à-vis we create the social circumstances amongst ourselves that help reinforce and support the larger framework around us. So in effect we are CO-CONSPIRATOR'S in our OWN oppression it's akin to someone putting a noose around your neck that has slack in it but you take it upon yourself to push the knot closer to your own neck and tightening it.

There are like I said many ways in which blacks do this to themselves but the one I want to focus on now is parenting (or the lack thereof)......

The black family has been under assault every since we first set foot in this country we all know of the horrors black women endured during slavery when their nursing babies were RIPPED from there loving arms and sold from them. Fast forward a couple hundred years and you still see this being played out in a defacto way by the abuses in the child social services system that are separating black families (while in some cases warranted due to unfit parents) I believe there is simply NOT enough being done to reunite the black family which is the cause of A LOT of our social ills but it is simply NOT a priority to this country.

Which makes since because when you think about it whites DON'T have a vested interest in BLACK UNITY of ANY kind any such movement no matter how seemingly benign it is will be in diametric OPPOSITION to white interests. Remember we were IMPORTED in this country to be TOOLS of LABOR which means FODDER to enrich YT and this country and NOTHING else. That is why so many whites are lothe to give any concessions to blacks of any kind because as far as they are concerned we are OBSOLETE farm equipment.

While I respect social services that help distressed Fathers, Mothers and Children (I am a big giver to charities myself and here is one I give to for example... http://www.hcz.org ) however I don't particularly like the idea that some have of letting dead beat "fathers" off the hook by cutting what they owe in back support. To me it's like giving them a wink and nod that if you can hold out long enough you can get around paying support.

I feel that too MANY black men all too OFTEN look for ways to be nickle slick and try to beat the system. Now trust me as a black man navigating a white dominated economy I know all about the "grand hustle" mentality. Where I draw the line though is as it relates to family a black man should check his hustler mentality at the door when it comes to this. He should not feel that he has "gotten over" or "gotten away" with something because he was able to get out of providing for his seed. This instead should produce a sense of SHAME and DISHONOR in him to the point that it is UNBEARABLE and should motivate him to do better by his child and the childs mother.

The reason it doesn't produce shame is because as I alluded to previously our standards for ourselves are seen through the prism of white racism so subconsciously we equate the black family as being "less than" so therefore some black men feel that it's no big deal to be "less than" decent fathers. This is in no way meant to be an excuse for this abhorrent behavior but only to shed light on the psychological factors that produce it.

The only way to deal with this type of mentality is for US black men to start holding ourselves and other black men accountable for these actions. Every black man that abandoned his family was once a child who someone had the chance to influence away from this behavior yet they did not. I am personally instrumental in the rearing of three nephews who I'm teaching to be strong and productive black men that know the importance of family and if I have it my way that is at least THREE less black men who will fall into this trap not to mention however many sons of my own I produce from here on out.

If our people are ever going to BRAKE this cycle it has to start NOW we just simply don't have the time to put it off any further. Each one of us has the power to influence someone in our lives and they are not just children either. I know for a fact that I have a lot of influence with my friends and when they need advice they often come to me. I'm sure there are others reading this who can say the same thing so always be mindful of your power to influence others because every man that is considering not paying to support his child has someone they will listen to and YOU might be that person so make yourself available.

I personally think that one issue that exemplifies the damage that individualism has done to the Black community the most is the issue of CHILD SUPPORT there are far too many Black men who feel that just because they are not with their childs mother they are "free" to live as though they have only themselves to support.

It all starts with changing this SELFISH mentality of "getting over" that's born of a INDIVIDUALISTIC mentality that too many of us seem to have I know this will be hard to do and it won't happen over night but we need to start some where. Brothers need to understand that sharing earnings with their seed is a important thing to do not just for their own family but for the viability of the entire race. Why do you think Whites and Asians work so hard to build wealth for the next generation? because they know it's the key to the survival of their entire race. Black men need to STOP letting their disdain for the mother of their children dictate whether they will do for the child. Yeah brother I know there are black women out there who are ignorant and you don't want to have anything to do with them. However, if she didn't get "ignorant" until after she had your kids then you still have to MAN UP and deal with her (at least to give her whats needed for the child) because you have an inextricable bond with her now in the person of your child.
I'm going to explore this and other issues a little further in my next post....I have to break this into different parts because like I stated I have a lot to say about this plus I don't want to overwhelm the reader all at once...for those who are really interested in solutions I thank you for your patience....

quote:

I personally think that one issue that exemplifies the damage that individualism has done to the Black community the most is the issue of CHILD SUPPORT there are far too many Black men who feel that just because they are not with their childs mother they are "free" to live as though they have only themselves to support.

Mothafucka, this ain't no damn SOLUTION. This is more of your DUMBASS preaching and pandering to the brain dead, armchair revolutionaries. SOLUTIONS, MOTHAFUCKA!!! DO--YOU--HAVE--ANY?

quote:

Originally posted by lyingassdiecryptor:

While I respect social services that help distressed Fathers, Mothers and Children (I am a big giver to charities myself and here is one I give to for example... http://www.hcz.org )

Negro, you must think somebody CRAZY up in this damn discussion board. DONATING ain't no damn SOLUTION either. Ain't nobody asked you what charities yo DUMBASS call yourself giving to--donating COMIC BOOKS to RIF don't count anyway, stupid ass.

How the FUCK is DONATING going to empower the BLACK COMMUNITY, DUMBASS?



SOLUTIONS, MOTHAFUCKA!!! DO--YOU--HAVE--ANY???

Romulousy...you just keep making new lows for yourself dude... Neither posting pic's of Samuel L. Jackson or that warmed over list of "ways to fight black poverty" you copied and pasted a few pages back are solutions. Yet you keep crying about what other people are bringing to the table.

So again you can either contribute to this discussion in a positive way or just see your way out of it...

Besides maybe instead of spending all your time screaming like a rhesus monkey about what others are trying to say...you need to be begging Fab to give you back your balls...or at least focus your time on trying to grow a pair....

quote:

So again you can either contribute to this discussion in a positive way or just see your way out of it...

Nigga please! You're suffering from crackhead syndrome--you must be thinking you're talking to one of these D5 newbies. You act the damn fool in TWO THREADS and instead of talking about SOLUTIONS the subject of which YOU braught up yet STILL have yet to deliver, then you pointlessly attack rowe for making a valid point about your delusional position of importance on this discussion board--then you sit in THIS thread and write the equivalent of 85 TYPED PAGES of worthless, pathetic, shameless pandering and preaching, and you think somebody would actually BUY yours, kweli4fake, and fabulously stupid's phony ass attempt at having a sincere discussion? You're out of your fucking mind.

quote:

Originally posted by lyingassdiecryptor:

Romulousy...you just keep making new lows for yourself dude... Neither posting pic's of Samuel L. Jackson or that warmed over list of "ways to fight black poverty" you copied and pasted a few pages back are solutions.

You're so right, lyingassdiecryptor. I haven't posted any solutions. That's because, firstly, I gave YOU the opportunity to fulfill that promise YOU made weeks ago. YOU STILL HAVEN'T DELIVERED. Anybody can donate a little money. But I thought the HOUSING BUBBLE cleaned out every black man, woman, and child's wallets? How can black people donate money they don't have because BLACK FOLKS ARE BROKE? I mean, lets be real here--you and zakar have been preaching for months that BLACK FOLKS AIN'T GOT SHIT AND AIN'T HAD SHIT SINCE the 1860's. Secondly, I'm not a lying ass cornball PROMISING the viewing public SOLUTIONS yet the only thing you've delivered is PREACHING and PANDERING.

You're also right, lyingassdiecryptor--posting pics of Samuel L. Jackson can only go so far. I need to post a picture that would be more fitting of your doom and gloom for negroes mantra you've been preaching for months as well as more fitting of your true coon ass persona:







Niggas ain't had shit since 1860!! They ain't never had shit and never WILL have shit!!

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

Nigga please! You're suffering from crackhead syndrome--you must be thinking you're talking to one of these D5 newbies

You know Romo as I kick back and observe your childish behavior I think to myself this guy really does crave attention even if it is negative. I then wonder what could be the root cause of an alleged grown a$$ man acting this way? I suspect that it stems from your childhood... you were probably the short fat boy (before you were the fratboy) who never had any friends and could not get the girls so you just lashed out at everybody. To make up for your short comings though you were spoiled at home and were constantly reassured that you were not fat but just stocky and you were lavished with lots of toys and games.

One of the board games you probably received was battleship you remember how it's played don't you? The object of the game if you recall was to locate where the opponent was on your screen by accurately pinpointing where he was. This was done by identifying him using a number and letter system similar to the one we have here such as the D5 that you mistakingly thought I took you for. You were wrong and in battleship calling out the wrong letter and number is a miss I know that right now you are A2 so that coupled with the fact that I've exposed you many times on this board means I've got you pegged and it's game over. The only honorable thing left for you to do is stand up in front of your computer and scream at the top of your lungs.... Yes LieDecrypter YOU SANK MY BATTLESHIP....

Otherwise you will just keep debasing yourself for our amusement and you will continue to be the laughing stock of this board that no one ever takes seriously....

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

I don't get it

You got damn right. and we all know what a damn fulbright scholarship candidate you are.

And?

Your point?

Whatever I am I'm not the 'mental patient' you've proven yourself to be.

and I don't go around harassing members and disrupting the board (like you do 'on the regular').

That said. . .

whether I'm a 'scholarship candidate' or not. . .YOU are not 'superior to' or even 'better than' ANYONE (myself included), you're just a self-centered creep with no regard for the members here OR the readers.

I'll take who "I" am over someone like you. . .cause if you were so damn smart you'd figure out how to stop sh*tting on your damn self.

Maybe all that 'sh*t' is affecting your brain.

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
With all due respect, give the brutha time to get to where he's going ... If you can't do that, then the ignore function still works.

With all due respect ( ) that cornball crackhead had TWO MOTHERFUCKING THREADS to talk about some got damn SOLUTIONS. While you and fabulous' crack-brained ass was cheering this idiot along like he's fuckin' WARREN BUFFET you two should have been shooting that FOOL some private messages coaching his DUMBASS on how to BACK UP his BULLSHIT with SUBSTANTIAL, ENLIGHTENING, THOUGHT PROVOKING, INFORMATIVE information--

NONE OF THAT SHIT EVER HAPPENED IN EITHER THREAD.

--not that you two DING BATS had any credible ideas or solutions yourselves but dumbass lyingassdiecryptor needs somebody's finger to suck on since zakar washed his hands of that dimwhit.



And by the way, IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY CRITICISM OF THAT FLIM FLAM PHONY YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR IGNORE BUTTON IS, SUCKER.

YOU (romulous) are one sick & pathetic muthafocker.

hereyago, romulous. . .

I know this has been posted before (courtesy of AudioGuy ) & I know how you feel about 'repeats' but. . .

it bears repeating.

*Romulus doing his thang*

Now back to our regular programming. . .. . .

quote:

Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

*snip*

Anyway, moving on......

I have a lot to say on this subject so that's the reason that I requested before and I'm STILL requesting that others get involved to share their perspectives...because I know that if I'm the only one speaking it will appear as if I'm dictating my manifesto which is not the reason I started this thread. I welcome any REAL and SUBSTANTIVE critique of anything I say all I ask is that it be a FAIR criticism coupled with your own solution and not just the pontification and haterism from the side line that some people want to engage in. Having said that I will proceed to give my perspective on the things facing Blacks and how we should deal with it...In these postings I'm going to touch on several issues that I feel are holding blacks back some will be controversial and some people won't like what I'm going to say. These things however MUST be said and I'm not here for people to like me or win a popularity contest so I don't mind if people take issue with what I say.

Among the issues I want to address is absentee parents (especially the missing black fathers who don't even want to pay child support and how that's destroying our future). The black communities willingness to aid and abet a CRIMINAL mentality i.e., the "no snitching" movement, "thug life" etc,. Black economic decadence and Religion......

As I mentioned previously I would like us now to turn the microscope on ourselves for a moment and address some of the MANY ways blacks exacerbate the problems that we already have. Something that must be stated with respect to the two belief systems that say that the solution to the Black problem is only PERSONSAL RESPONSIBILITY or SEPARATING FROM WHITES....The fact of the matter is BOTH of these need to be done...Debating what's doing the most harm to blacks between WHITE racism and our own SELF inflicted damage is like debating which blade cuts the paper on a pair of scissors. They BOTH work together and thats the reason white racism AND our own self inflicted damage is so potent because they work TOGETHER to keep us back... Consequently the reason we are held back is because we won't work TOGETHER to deal with it.
The way I see it whites have provided the socio-economic construct or framework by which to marginalize and oppress blacks. However blacks provide the CONTENT that's within this framework vis-à-vis we create the social circumstances amongst ourselves that help reinforce and support the larger framework around us. So in effect we are CO-CONSPIRATOR'S in our OWN oppression it's akin to someone putting a noose around your neck that has slack in it but you take it upon yourself to push the knot closer to your own neck and tightening it.

There are like I said many ways in which blacks do this to themselves but the one I want to focus on now is parenting (or the lack thereof)......

The black family has been under assault every since we first set foot in this country we all know of the horrors black women endured during slavery when their nursing babies were RIPPED from there loving arms and sold from them. Fast forward a couple hundred years and you still see this being played out in a defacto way by the abuses in the child social services system that are separating black families (while in some cases warranted due to unfit parents) I believe there is simply NOT enough being done to reunite the black family which is the cause of A LOT of our social ills but it is simply NOT a priority to this country.

Which makes since because when you think about it whites DON'T have a vested interest in BLACK UNITY of ANY kind any such movement no matter how seemingly benign it is will be in diametric OPPOSITION to white interests. Remember we were IMPORTED in this country to be TOOLS of LABOR which means FODDER to enrich YT and this country and NOTHING else. That is why so many whites are lothe to give any concessions to blacks of any kind because as far as they are concerned we are OBSOLETE farm equipment.

While I respect social services that help distressed Fathers, Mothers and Children (I am a big giver to charities myself and here is one I give to for example... http://www.hcz.org ) however I don't particularly like the idea that some have of letting dead beat "fathers" off the hook by cutting what they owe in back support. To me it's like giving them a wink and nod that if you can hold out long enough you can get around paying support.

I feel that too MANY black men all too OFTEN look for ways to be nickle slick and try to beat the system. Now trust me as a black man navigating a white dominated economy I know all about the "grand hustle" mentality. Where I draw the line though is as it relates to family a black man should check his hustler mentality at the door when it comes to this. He should not feel that he has "gotten over" or "gotten away" with something because he was able to get out of providing for his seed. This instead should produce a sense of SHAME and DISHONOR in him to the point that it is UNBEARABLE and should motivate him to do better by his child and the childs mother.

The reason it doesn't produce shame is because as I alluded to previously our standards for ourselves are seen through the prism of white racism so subconsciously we equate the black family as being "less than" so therefore some black men feel that it's no big deal to be "less than" decent fathers. This is in no way meant to be an excuse for this abhorrent behavior but only to shed light on the psychological factors that produce it.

The only way to deal with this type of mentality is for US black men to start holding ourselves and other black men accountable for these actions. Every black man that abandoned his family was once a child who someone had the chance to influence away from this behavior yet they did not. I am personally instrumental in the rearing of three nephews who I'm teaching to be strong and productive black men that know the importance of family and if I have it my way that is at least THREE less black men who will fall into this trap not to mention however many sons of my own I produce from here on out.

If our people are ever going to BRAKE this cycle it has to start NOW we just simply don't have the time to put it off any further. Each one of us has the power to influence someone in our lives and they are not just children either. I know for a fact that I have a lot of influence with my friends and when they need advice they often come to me. I'm sure there are others reading this who can say the same thing so always be mindful of your power to influence others because every man that is considering not paying to support his child has someone they will listen to and YOU might be that person so make yourself available.

I personally think that one issue that exemplifies the damage that individualism has done to the Black community the most is the issue of CHILD SUPPORT there are far too many Black men who feel that just because they are not with their childs mother they are "free" to live as though they have only themselves to support.

It all starts with changing this SELFISH mentality of "getting over" that's born of a INDIVIDUALISTIC mentality that too many of us seem to have I know this will be hard to do and it won't happen over night but we need to start some where. Brothers need to understand that sharing earnings with their seed is a important thing to do not just for their own family but for the viability of the entire race. Why do you think Whites and Asians work so hard to build wealth for the next generation? because they know it's the key to the survival of their entire race. Black men need to STOP letting their disdain for the mother of their children dictate whether they will do for the child. Yeah brother I know there are black women out there who are ignorant and you don't want to have anything to do with them. However, if she didn't get "ignorant" until after she had your kids then you still have to MAN UP and deal with her (at least to give her whats needed for the child) because you have an inextricable bond with her now in the person of your child.
I'm going to explore this and other issues a little further in my next post....I have to break this into different parts because like I stated I have a lot to say about this plus I don't want to overwhelm the reader all at once...for those who are really interested in solutions I thank you for your patience....

I agree that black men should provide financial support for their children however. . .

an unfair justice system that deals more harshly with black men also contributes to this problem (more specifically the 3 strike law).

I'm thinking of blk fathers who are locked up and CAN'T pay child support AND when they get out they 'still' can't pay child support (due to a lack of employment).

It's a vicious cycle.

Even the black man who does 'everything' right & above-board. . .has the possibly of being entangled in an unfair justice system AND at a higher rate than any other race of men.

So my thoughts are. . .

say ALL black men 'do' the right thing in regard to their children. . .

how (as a group) does he THEN defend himself against institutional racism?

This is what happens to OUR kids (all too often) despite being good kids

Star High School Running Back Mysteriously Dead



Posted Dec 9th 2008 6:21PM by Quibian Salazar-Moreno

According to the Associated Press, a George County High School football star in Jackson, Mississippi named Billey Joe Johnson shot himself with a shotgun after he was pulled over by a police officer.

According to the report, the officer pulled him over, took his license and while he was back in his patrol car for a license check, Johnson killed himself.

"The deputy was sitting in his patrol vehicle ... when he heard a gunshot and saw the victim laying on the ground by the driver's side door of the vehicle that Johnson was driving. A shotgun was lying on the victim," according to a statement from the George County Sheriff's Department.

The authorities are not sure if the shooting was an accident or suicide but Mississippi Bureau of Investigation is looking at the cause of death. According to the Associated Press, Johnson rushed for more than 4,000 yards in his high school career. Plus he had scholarship offers from universities including Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State and Oregon.

"We're just in shock," George County High assistant coach Darwin Nelson said. "To say that he had a world of potential would be one of the biggest understatements of the century. I just can't explain this."

Of course, friends and family are in disbelief by the shooting which brings up the question about the incident report. With police officers sometimes taking matters in their own hands lately, some folks on the outside think this death is a bit fishy.

http://www.blackvoices.com/blo...k-mysteriously-dead/

Yes, 'fishy' indeed.

Why is it 'always' OUR children dying under questionable or mysterious circumstances? And I don't trust white police officers, period.

I realize this is off topic but it's an issue facing black children today. . .this sort of thing happens way too often.

My own young nephew was murdered & died a violent death. And he was a GOOD KID! but he was also black and the odds are stacked against young black boys these days.

There's not a day that goes by that I don't think of my nephew (he was an innocent bystander). The loss is immeasurable to a family & community.

I'm not ashamed to admit this sort of thing terrifies me (the article reflects possible covert racism).

because I have other nephews comming up and I worry about them. 'What can blk folk do to keep our children safe' is my number one question & concern. How can we build a community or 'anything else' when so many of our children fall victim to 'mysterious' circumstances

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

Nigga please! You're suffering from crackhead syndrome--you must be thinking you're talking to one of these D5 newbies

You know Romo as I kick back and observe your childish behavior I think to myself this guy really does crave attention even if it is negative. I then wonder what could be the root cause of an alleged grown a$$ man acting this way? I suspect that it stems from your childhood... you were probably the short fat boy (before you were the fratboy) who never had any friends and could not get the girls so you just lashed out at everybody. To make up for your short comings though you were spoiled at home and were constantly reassured that you were not fat but just stocky and you were lavished with lots of toys and games.

One of the board games you probably received was battleship you remember how it's played don't you? The object of the game if you recall was to locate where the opponent was on your screen by accurately pinpointing where he was. This was done by identifying him using a number and letter system similar to the one we have here such as the D5 that you mistakingly thought I took you for. You were wrong and in battleship calling out the wrong letter and number is a miss I know that right now you are A2 so that coupled with the fact that I've exposed you many times on this board means I've got you pegged and it's game over. The only honorable thing left for you to do is stand up in front of your computer and scream at the top of your lungs.... Yes LieDecrypter YOU SANK MY BATTLESHIP....

Otherwise you will just keep debasing yourself for our amusement and you will continue to be the laughing stock of this board that no one ever takes seriously....

Hello LD...

How are you?

Put him on ignore... not physically.. just ignore his posts.. not hard to do after a time..

glad to see you have stayed...

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Originally posted by Fabulous:
I agree that black men should provide financial support for their children however. . .

an unfair justice system that deals more harshly with black men also contributes to this problem (more specifically the 3 strike law).

I'm thinking of blk fathers who are locked up and CAN'T pay child support AND when they get out they 'still' can't pay child support (due to a lack of employment).

It's a vicious cycle.

Even the black man who does 'everything' right & above-board. . .has the possibly of being entangled in an unfair justice system AND at a higher rate than any other race of men.

So my thoughts are. . .

say ALL black men 'do' the right thing in regard to their children. . .

how (as a group) does he THEN defend himself against institutional racism?

Your point highlights the reason I said before that regarding SEPARATION and BLACK RESPONSIBILITY that indeed BOTH of these need to be done...and debating what's doing the most harm to blacks between WHITE racism and our own SELF inflicted damage is like debating which blade cuts the paper on a pair of scissors. They BOTH work together and that's the reason white racism AND our own self inflicted damage is so potent because they work TOGETHER to keep us back... Consequently, the reason we are held back is because we won't work TOGETHER to deal with it. We must be placed in a situation whereby we can EXCLUSIVELY deal with BLACK ISSUES without those efforts always being mitigated and disrupted by us also having to contend with a white power structure.

As you mentioned even if a Black man decides to play by the rules and do everything right as long as he is subject to a racist power structure and CRIMINAL justice system he is still at risk....and ultimately his Black family and by extension the larger Black community suffers.

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Originally posted by Khalliqa:

Hello LD...

How are you?

Put him on ignore... not physically.. just ignore his posts.. not hard to do after a time..

glad to see you have stayed...

Hello to you also Khalliqa...

I'm fine however I should also ask how you are since I haven't seen you posting as often....and yes I will stay for now but there will come a time that I will no longer speak on these boards since I will be fortifying my immediate circle against the coming storms....

Anyway, regarding Romo yes I agree that I should just ignore him at this point since he really has no credibility and I've just been using him as target practice. Besides ever since I hit him with the battleship analogy that you quoted he has not been in here making trouble. So I guess all one needs to do is break things down well enough in terms that he can understand for him to move on. I am hedging my bet though and if he returns every time he saying something to be disruptive I'll just send him links like this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ2Qj4VrqIw

or this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJBNUGoYp08

to pacify him....

Furthermore, he now appears to be venting his frustrations over in Malik's thread about 'personal disrespect on AA.org' which I find interesting because some of the biggest offenders on this site are over there wrapping themselves in the cloak of victim hood. There is even one poster over there making reference to when in response to them claiming how "integrated" Blacks were.. I suggested if this being the case they take their 'Black behind' to another ethic groups neighborhood to set up a business and see how well received that "integration" would be. Instead of them seeing the larger point I was trying to make that got all caught up focusing on my usage of the words 'Black behind'...which I only said in order to underscore the fact that they were BLACK...now I personally don't use "Black" as a pejorative so I'm not sure why this person would be offended...besides I'm pretty sure that my skin tone is probably darker than this persons anyway...yet they are some how "offended"....that's how mess always gets started for NOTHING...That whole thread is starting to play out like a Greek tragedy...


Anyway, This initial issue Malik raised was a good one though in that a quality topic like this one often gets side tracked with nonsense...So from here on out I will ignore all the distractions and focus on the topic at hand and I encourage all other participants to do the same...However, I will respond to any honest critique of anything I say and that goes for Romo also... That is if he wants to start adding value to the discussion instead of trying to turn it into a circus....

Oh gawld I pray to let this thread die, please please let it peacefully die.