The REAL economic state of Black America....

As I mentioned in the other thread this issue is bigger than myself or some fool's attempt to try and misrepresent the TRUE state of the Black condition.

So I want to be very clear and not allow people to be distracted by dog and pony side shows and various other circus tricks... There have been two questions raised yet again even though common sense should have already completely answered them... which is can it be proven that....

1. "BLACK FOLKS AIN'T GOT NO WEALTH."

2."BLACK FOLKS' WEALTH HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THE 1800's."

I do realize that some people may still want to see the answer to this in BLACK and WHITE not because they disagree but because they just want reinforcement...So I post the following for them.

For the record the following links should forever silence those detractors and distractors that keep trying to pump the same conservative inspired pablum and poision into Black's that things are fine and Blacks just need to "save more"....

Widely recognized as one of America's most influential intellectuals, Anderson has drawn the nation's attention to the issue of race and the advantages of redeveloping and industrializing black urban communities. Anderson argues that the wounds inflicted on black Americans by the legacies of slavery and Jim Crowism are so deep that neither social integration nor civil rights has or can repair the damage. According to Anderson, "It is nonsense to talk about equal opportunity for black people in a society in which racial monopolies guarantee that each succeeding generation of whites inherit approximately 98 percent of this nation's wealth and resources at birth. The amount of wealth that blacks own has been frozen. It was ½ of one percent on the eve of the Civil War and it remains approximately ½ of one percent 140 years later.

Similarly, on the eve of the Black Civil Rights Movement, blacks earned 54 cents to the dollar. Today, half of a century later, they earn 57 cents for every dollar that a white earns. These inequalities exist in a society in which wealth and income shape opportunities."

http://www.harvestinstitute.org/may2000.htm


Although black people have never been more than half of a percent of the world's billionaires, two black people have held the title of richest self-made woman in America, and those same two women simultaneously held the title of richest African American. The first was Madam C.J. Walker (1867-1919), an African-American woman who became America's first self-made woman millionaire[26] and the richest African-American of her day. The second was Oprah Winfrey who in 2007 overtook Ebay CEO Margaret Whitman as the richest self-made woman in America[27] and was described by Forbes as the richest African American of the 20th century.[28

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_billionaires_%26_millionaires


Forget the hoopla and ballyhoo celebrating Black faces in high places. The median net worth of an African American household is about $6,000, while white households wield 14 times as much wealth: more than $88,000. The disastrous details are contained in a report on wealth disparities by the Pew Hispanic Center, "The Wealth of Hispanic Households: 1996 to 2002," but the worst news is for Blacks, one-third of whom have no assets or a negative net worth.

"There were several members of the Congressional Black Caucus who took the position that the racial wealth disparity was due to the misbehavior of Black folks," says Dr. William 'Sandy' Darity, recalling events at the 2003 Black Caucus Week, in Washington. Several silly Black lawmakers theorized that wealth disparities could be eliminated if only African Americans would engage in less impulse buying and save more money, said Darity, a Professor of Public Policy Studies, African and African American Studies and Economics at Duke University. He continued: "In fact, if you control for income, the Black savings rate is at least as high as the white savings rate. There is some evidence to suggest that it might be higher."

By Darity's calculations, African Americans would have to go without food, shelter, clothing and all other expenses en masse "for well over a decade" to save enough to achieve wealth parity with whites. "So I would say, there is no way that you can catch up by systemic and careful savings. If African Americans saved all of their income - that is, if we didn't eat, pay any bills, but saved every cent of income - we could not close the wealth gap," said the professor, who also teaches economics at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

http://raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1098496868,42305,.shtml



http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Dr Claude Anderson is, indeed, THE MAN!!

I am doing what I can to be ready with a viable economic entity.

PEACE

Jim Chester

quote:

Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
As I mentioned in the other thread this issue is bigger than myself or some fool's attempt to try and misrepresent the TRUE state of the Black condition.

So I want to be very clear and not allow people to be distracted by dog and pony side shows and various other circus tricks... There have been two questions raised yet again even though common sense should have already completely answered them... which is can it be proven that....

1. "BLACK FOLKS AIN'T GOT NO WEALTH."

2."BLACK FOLKS' WEALTH HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THE 1800's."

I do realize that some people may still want to see the answer to this in BLACK and WHITE not because they disagree but because they just want reinforcement...So I post the following for them.

For the record the following links should forever silence those detractors and distractors that keep trying to pump the same conservative inspired pablum and poision into Black's that things are fine and Blacks just need to "save more"....

Widely recognized as one of America's most influential intellectuals, Anderson has drawn the nation's attention to the issue of race and the advantages of redeveloping and industrializing black urban communities. Anderson argues that the wounds inflicted on black Americans by the legacies of slavery and Jim Crowism are so deep that neither social integration nor civil rights has or can repair the damage. According to Anderson, "It is nonsense to talk about equal opportunity for black people in a society in which racial monopolies guarantee that each succeeding generation of whites inherit approximately 98 percent of this nation's wealth and resources at birth. The amount of wealth that blacks own has been frozen. It was ½ of one percent on the eve of the Civil War and it remains approximately ½ of one percent 140 years later.

Similarly, on the eve of the Black Civil Rights Movement, blacks earned 54 cents to the dollar. Today, half of a century later, they earn 57 cents for every dollar that a white earns. These inequalities exist in a society in which wealth and income shape opportunities."

http://www.harvestinstitute.org/may2000.htm


Although black people have never been more than half of a percent of the world's billionaires, two black people have held the title of richest self-made woman in America, and those same two women simultaneously held the title of richest African American. The first was Madam C.J. Walker (1867-1919), an African-American woman who became America's first self-made woman millionaire[26] and the richest African-American of her day. The second was Oprah Winfrey who in 2007 overtook Ebay CEO Margaret Whitman as the richest self-made woman in America[27] and was described by Forbes as the richest African American of the 20th century.[28

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_billionaires_%26_millionaires


Forget the hoopla and ballyhoo celebrating Black faces in high places. The median net worth of an African American household is about $6,000, while white households wield 14 times as much wealth: more than $88,000. The disastrous details are contained in a report on wealth disparities by the Pew Hispanic Center, "The Wealth of Hispanic Households: 1996 to 2002," but the worst news is for Blacks, one-third of whom have no assets or a negative net worth.

"There were several members of the Congressional Black Caucus who took the position that the racial wealth disparity was due to the misbehavior of Black folks," says Dr. William 'Sandy' Darity, recalling events at the 2003 Black Caucus Week, in Washington. Several silly Black lawmakers theorized that wealth disparities could be eliminated if only African Americans would engage in less impulse buying and save more money, said Darity, a Professor of Public Policy Studies, African and African American Studies and Economics at Duke University. He continued: "In fact, if you control for income, the Black savings rate is at least as high as the white savings rate. There is some evidence to suggest that it might be higher."

By Darity's calculations, African Americans would have to go without food, shelter, clothing and all other expenses en masse "for well over a decade" to save enough to achieve wealth parity with whites. "So I would say, there is no way that you can catch up by systemic and careful savings. If African Americans saved all of their income - that is, if we didn't eat, pay any bills, but saved every cent of income - we could not close the wealth gap," said the professor, who also teaches economics at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

http://raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1098496868,42305,.shtml



http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Doesnt look like too many people are interested in the WEALTH of Black people. Maybe some thought we have made it. The fact is we are in the same situation were in before the Civil War started.

quote:

Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
Dr Claude Anderson is, indeed, THE MAN!!

I am doing what I can to be ready with a viable economic entity.

PEACE


Jim Chester

Ditto and same here...did you happen to view all six parts yet?

quote:

Originally posted by Malik:

You're welcome...we have been sold too many lies for too long and now the TRUTH must come out...

quote:

Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Doesnt look like too many people are interested in the WEALTH of Black people. Maybe some thought we have made it. The fact is we are in the same situation were in before the Civil War started.

I just posted the links a few hours ago and I asked that people view the videos before they posted...I believe there are enough intelligent people here to have a quality conversation about this...just give them time...

quote:

Originally posted by ZAKAR:
Doesnt look like too many people are interested in the WEALTH of Black people. Maybe some thought we have made it. The fact is we are in the same situation were in before the Civil War started.

IMHO its not out of a lack of caring, but the lack of making this in to a lifestyle. I've heard Dr. Anderson for years and he has some valid thoughts, but no plan is workable if it isn't tied to a way of life.

MHO its not out of a lack of caring, but the lack of making this in to a lifestyle. I've heard Dr. Anderson for years and he has some valid thoughts, but no plan is workable if it isn't tied to a way of life.

The plan has always been there. I think it boils down to plain ole INDIVIDUALISM. We have a hard time doing business with one another. Its like we feel good when we give our money to other people.

quote:

Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
As I mentioned in the 'Mutts like me' shows Obama's racial comfort.'... thread I felt that the topic which hijacked that thread regarding "Black Wealth" needed it's own thread. During the course of that thread It has been brought to my attention that many Blacks really don't get the TRUE state of Black America.

So I want us to have an open, honest and intelligent discussion on this matter. I think this is of EPIC importance considering everything going on and about to happen. Below you will find links to a conference that was given by Dr. Claud Anderson who is the top expert in the field of Black economics. For those not familar with his work what he is saying will shock you. He is VERY candid and TRUTHFUL about our current state and where we are headed if FUNDAMENTAL things are not done.

I ask that before you post a comment on this thread please at least view part 1 of the videos..and for members who have children 12 and up I encourage you to allow them to see it also...I ask that we keep profanity to a minimum here also since I invite parents to have their children view this thread. As soon as possible view all six parts there are more parts but I only found these uploaded....They are still powerful enough and after viewing them you will see our condition in this country in an entirely new light....enjoy....



PART 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqdVGR3uQqY&feature=related

PART 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn8la-r0XNA&feature=related

PART 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO3LoFR6qsg&feature=related

PART 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcy0nGLIDE&feature=related

PART 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sTc5-0FYNk&feature=related

PART 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r69W-17sKA&feature=related

On my gawd ...this is so 'right on' it's scary, heck, brought tears to my eyes too (along with Dr. Anderson in the first few videos). . .toward the end I wanted to hear more. Thank you for posting the links, much appreciated. . . A powerful message indeed, I think we ALL need to stop, listen & pay attention.

As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

He talked about technology and he talked about owning technology.

He did not talk about understanding technology.

He did not talk about it being technology that made it possible for Whites to do what they have done.

Imagine Christopher Columbus sailing up to the shores of America and standing on the beach are Geronimo and Sitting Bull with AK-47s. How would that have affected the so called course of history?

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quote:

As I mentioned in the other thread this issue is bigger than myself or some fool's attempt to try and misrepresent the TRUE state of the Black condition.

So you run like a girl to post another thread, hoping for an audience of cheerleaders, because you're making no headway in the 'Mutts like me' shows Obama's racial comfort' thread. Don't try to act like you're all of a sudden brand new, self-righteous, philanthropic, and innocent by creating a new thread. Stop hiding behind the lies. If this topic were truly bigger than you--if you were honestly interested in intelligent discussion, then what's your reason for acting the fool in the 'Mutts like me' shows Obama's racial comfort' thread? Let's annex the purpose for your creating this new thread and see where it all began--four pages of foolishness:

http://africanamerica.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/79160213/m/3821037184/p/7

Starting this new thread is all about your own selfish sense of redemption after being made a fool of in the previous thread. Everybody and their mama knows blacks have a long way to go. I've already stated time and time again the 400 year head start whites have had over blacks in addition to the 143 years after slavery blacks have faught for civil rights. Add to the fact that we're also only 12% of the population and it's easy to see why many blacks are behind and still struggling.

BUT to ignore the progress blacks have made, to ignore the successes of a growing population of educated blacks and pretend like no progress has been made at all by focusing only on the bottom ten percent of lowerclass blacks is foolish. To ignore the resentfulness and hostility one group of blacks, the lower class, has for another group of blacks, the middle to upper middle class, which breeds more anti-intellectualism and complacency, is foolish. To ignore the fact that many blacks have admittedly held themselves back despite the opportunities given them is foolish. There has always been a population of blacks that will destroy their own neighborhoods no matter how much you help them. Even Dr. Anderson alluded to the fact:

".....do something we've never been allowed to do or never been bright enough to do in some senses."


Even when you try to build something in a 'black neighborhood', hoodrats destroy their surroundings. Dr. Anderson preaches a good sermon but the vast majority of what he says I've already talked about on this discussion board and others for years. Dr. Anderson has said nothing any different than what Bill Cosby has said--he's just more expansive, clear and concise about institutional and systematic racism. The only difference is Bill Cosby tried to instill a since of ownership of our shortcomings, whereas, Dr. Anderson places all the blame on whites. Obviously, institutional and systematic racism has a large role to play in the predicament many blacks are in today but when and where do black people begin to take ownership and empower themselves?

While it may be true that everyone isn't or doesn't have to be university material, black people can STILL go to community colleges and trade schools where they can major in a profession where they can many times make just as much money, if not more, than blacks that have graduated from four year institutions. But you know what the problem is? Jealousy and enviousness. the bottom line is this: WHAT KIND OF SOLLUTIONS DID DR. ANDERSON OFFER THE AUDIENCE HE WAS PREACHING TO? I watched all six YouTube videos. Dr. Anderson didn't offer offer one single solution in six YouTube videos. In fact, all he did was paint a glim picture of gloom and doom for black people. All I heard was how hispanics are planning on knocking us black down another notch, which is true--you can see it all around. But that doesn't detract away from the fact that Dr. Anderson still offered no solutions in those six videos.

Dr. Anderson didn't offer any solutions because he knows if he starts preaching about education and empowerment many black people are going to tune him out.

Negroes keep talking about saving black communities but you have to think seriously for a moment. Who the hell wants to live in houses white people left behind eons ago? We have to build our own communities and in order to do so we have to expand, move out from those decrepid, formerly white homes and establish homes, neighborhoods, for our own. But you listen to people like Dr. Anderson and he will make it sound like anyone who is black that seeks to live in better homes is running away and "acting white." There is no group of black people that has been successful if that group was made of unprepaired individuals. I don't give a damn how much you preach about saving 'the black community'. Dr. Anderson shed those fake ass tears about the blacks in the nineth ward district after Hurricane Katrina like they were some helpless victims. But what he either didn't want to mention or didn't know was that many of those black people in the nineth ward grew up running away from education and opportunity. Many of those negroes WANTED To hustle each other or the system, which is why many of them were in the predicament they were in BEFORE Katrina hit, and which was why they were left to be VULNERABLE during and after Katrina. Remember the 504 boys? Remember Master P? Yeah, that's what the nineth ward district is all about. EMBRACING POVERTY. Master P and the 504 boys pimped their own community and got the fuck out as soon as they made enough cash to sustain themselves. And they wuz supposed to be DOWN wit da HOOD. Ya HURD meh? Fucking nonsense.

Tell me how you can reverse 400 years of slavery and another 143 years of institutional and systematic racism after the ending of slavery in less than a fraction of the time? In six YouTube videos I didn't hear one damn solution from Dr. Anderson except this:

"We gotta get in our churches and find out how we can own some things!!"

You sure as hell can't save the black community or empower blacks by re-creating, re-hashing the SAME statistics that keep pointing to what black people don't have and what they can't achieve. See--that's the distinct problem I have with people that keep saying "BLACK PEOPLE AIN'T GOT NOTHING" but no one is stepping up to the plate and offering any kind of comprehensive solutions. You can be a catalyst for fear all you want by quoting facts and figures that point to what black people don't have. I want to hear about how black people can empower themselves. I tired of hearing that one 'truth' about black people not having anything. I want to hear the whole truth about what's really happening to black people. Forget about the disparities between whites and blacks. There is a disparity growing between the black middle class and lower class. that's what the hell you need to be focused on. Instead of preaching about how it's wrong to want to be successful black people need to be preaching about how they can empower themselves and each other through education. Destroy this anti-intellectualism bullshit and encourage blacks to educate themselves. That has always been our BEST weapon against institutional and systematic racism--period.

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

There isn't a black person alive or dead that is in denial about the disadvantages of many blacks. The only "denial" blacks are in is about being accountable and the need to educate themselves.

Boy Rom doesn't handle defeat well.

quote:

Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
Boy Rom doesn't handle defeat well.

This coming from another coward that ran away from the 'mutts like me' thread and hid in the shadows and lurked.

You waited all that time for liediecryptor to come to your aid because you didn't have the ability to defend yourself and he still failed.

quote:

Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
As I mentioned in the other thread this issue is bigger than myself or some fool's attempt to try and misrepresent the TRUE state of the Black condition.

So I want to be very clear and not allow people to be distracted by dog and pony side shows and various other circus tricks... There have been two questions raised yet again even though common sense should have already completely answered them... which is can it be proven that....

1. "BLACK FOLKS AIN'T GOT NO WEALTH."

2."BLACK FOLKS' WEALTH HASN'T CHANGED SINCE THE 1800's."

I do realize that some people may still want to see the answer to this in BLACK and WHITE not because they disagree but because they just want reinforcement...So I post the following for them.

For the record the following links should forever silence those detractors and distractors that keep trying to pump the same conservative inspired pablum and poision into Black's that things are fine and Blacks just need to "save more"....

Widely recognized as one of America's most influential intellectuals, Anderson has drawn the nation's attention to the issue of race and the advantages of redeveloping and industrializing black urban communities. Anderson argues that the wounds inflicted on black Americans by the legacies of slavery and Jim Crowism are so deep that neither social integration nor civil rights has or can repair the damage. According to Anderson, "It is nonsense to talk about equal opportunity for black people in a society in which racial monopolies guarantee that each succeeding generation of whites inherit approximately 98 percent of this nation's wealth and resources at birth. The amount of wealth that blacks own has been frozen. It was ½ of one percent on the eve of the Civil War and it remains approximately ½ of one percent 140 years later.

Similarly, on the eve of the Black Civil Rights Movement, blacks earned 54 cents to the dollar. Today, half of a century later, they earn 57 cents for every dollar that a white earns. These inequalities exist in a society in which wealth and income shape opportunities."

http://www.harvestinstitute.org/may2000.htm


Although black people have never been more than half of a percent of the world's billionaires, two black people have held the title of richest self-made woman in America, and those same two women simultaneously held the title of richest African American. The first was Madam C.J. Walker (1867-1919), an African-American woman who became America's first self-made woman millionaire[26] and the richest African-American of her day. The second was Oprah Winfrey who in 2007 overtook Ebay CEO Margaret Whitman as the richest self-made woman in America[27] and was described by Forbes as the richest African American of the 20th century.[28

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_billionaires_%26_millionaires


Forget the hoopla and ballyhoo celebrating Black faces in high places. The median net worth of an African American household is about $6,000, while white households wield 14 times as much wealth: more than $88,000. The disastrous details are contained in a report on wealth disparities by the Pew Hispanic Center, "The Wealth of Hispanic Households: 1996 to 2002," but the worst news is for Blacks, one-third of whom have no assets or a negative net worth.

"There were several members of the Congressional Black Caucus who took the position that the racial wealth disparity was due to the misbehavior of Black folks," says Dr. William 'Sandy' Darity, recalling events at the 2003 Black Caucus Week, in Washington. Several silly Black lawmakers theorized that wealth disparities could be eliminated if only African Americans would engage in less impulse buying and save more money, said Darity, a Professor of Public Policy Studies, African and African American Studies and Economics at Duke University. He continued: "In fact, if you control for income, the Black savings rate is at least as high as the white savings rate. There is some evidence to suggest that it might be higher."

By Darity's calculations, African Americans would have to go without food, shelter, clothing and all other expenses en masse "for well over a decade" to save enough to achieve wealth parity with whites. "So I would say, there is no way that you can catch up by systemic and careful savings. If African Americans saved all of their income - that is, if we didn't eat, pay any bills, but saved every cent of income - we could not close the wealth gap," said the professor, who also teaches economics at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill.

http://raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1098496868,42305,.shtml



http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Umm. No. One article where Dr. Anderson is praised on the website of his own non-profit organization isn't going to do it.

That peice from Wikipedia is incomplete. Somehow, Bob Johnson and Sheila Johnson are both billionaires yet they are absent from the lineup. And lets not leave out our African brothers, Michael Lee-Chin, Aliko Dangote, Patrice Motsepe, and Al Amoudi. Are we supposed to leave them out too? I thought all money was green in the end last time I checked. Here's another tidbit:

Mobutu, the Congolese president, and Sani Abacha, the Nigerian military leader, were probably billionaires when they were alive but Forbes could never confirm this (according to Forbes magazine's Kerry Dolan). Although currently the only billionaires in sub-Saharan Africa are White South Africans, there is an evidence that during the 20th century, Zaire/Congo, may not only have had a billionaire, but a Black one. Although no one with any known degree of Sub-Saharan ancestry appeared on Forbes billionaire list until 2001, a Forbes editor has gone on record claiming that Mobutu was probably a billionaire but the magazine could never confirm it. Full Article.


Oh and the other two articles can easily be disputed by the scores of data I already posted in the 'mutts like me' thread. You're going to have to try harder than that, liediecryptor.

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

There isn't a black person alive or dead that is in denial about the disadvantages of many blacks. The only "denial" blacks are in is about being accountable and the need to educate themselves.

I have no ideal 'what' you're talking about because your comments do not reflect at all what I'm talking about. . .

If you wanted clarification you could've asked.

I beg to differ with you when it comes what I'm talking about - racism is systematic & by design....AND black people (as a group) cannot be racist and I base my belief on the same commentary discussed in the videos. . .

so you're wrong. . .

too many black folk ARE in denial.

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

There isn't a black person alive or dead that is in denial about the disadvantages of many blacks. The only "denial" blacks are in is about being accountable and the need to educate themselves.

I have no ideal 'what' you're talking about because your comments do not reflect at all what I'm talking about. . .

If you wanted clarification you could've asked.

I beg to differ with you when it comes what I'm talking about - racism is systematic & by design....AND black people (as a group) cannot be racist and I base my belief on the same commentary discussed in the videos. . .

so you're wrong. . .

too many black folk ARE in denial.

HA HA HA HA!!!!

What the hell did you just say? Even you don't know what you just said.

Black people in denial about being racist? Where did Dr. Anderson say that in those six videos? I remember him saying black people can't be racist because they don't have their own community in order to be racist toward another culture but I don't recall hearing anything about what you just said.

Many black people are very vocal about being racist--you see black people wiil turn around and call white people racist but when blacks are racist towards whites they use the excuse of slavery and racism to justify their prejudice towards whites. The bottom line is racism is racism. And, yes, that issue was discussed on this discussion board some time ago. Those black people that are racist know they are racist and wear their racism on their chests like a badge of courage as if other races of people would give a damn.

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

There isn't a black person alive or dead that is in denial about the disadvantages of many blacks. The only "denial" blacks are in is about being accountable and the need to educate themselves.

I have no ideal 'what' you're talking about because your comments do not reflect at all what I'm talking about. . .

If you wanted clarification you could've asked.

I beg to differ with you when it comes what I'm talking about - racism is systematic & by design....AND black people (as a group) cannot be racist and I base my belief on the same commentary discussed in the videos. . .

so you're wrong. . .

too many black folk ARE in denial.

HA HA HA HA!!!!

What the hell did you just say? Even you don't know what you just said.

Black people in denial about being racist? Where did Dr. Anderson say that in those six videos? I remember him saying black people can't be racist because they don't have their own community in order to be racist toward another culture but I don't recall hearing anything about what you just said.

I didn't say I was quoting Dr. Anderson. . .

What I said was I base my BELIEF that black folk can't be racist on the same or similar commentary that is in the video/s.

It's true, a lot of black people ARE in denial about 'black ppl being racist' and those same folk will say in a minute "anybody can be racist even blk ppl" and that is simply not true.

AND. . .a lot of black ppl don't see how we are kept oppressed all by design.

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:

quote:

Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

quote:

Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

There isn't a black person alive or dead that is in denial about the disadvantages of many blacks. The only "denial" blacks are in is about being accountable and the need to educate themselves.

I have no ideal 'what' you're talking about because your comments do not reflect at all what I'm talking about. . .

If you wanted clarification you could've asked.

I beg to differ with you when it comes what I'm talking about - racism is systematic & by design....AND black people (as a group) cannot be racist and I base my belief on the same commentary discussed in the videos. . .

so you're wrong. . .

too many black folk ARE in denial.

HA HA HA HA!!!!

What the hell did you just say? Even you don't know what you just said.

Black people in denial about being racist? Where did Dr. Anderson say that in those six videos? I remember him saying black people can't be racist because they don't have their own community in order to be racist toward another culture but I don't recall hearing anything about what you just said.

I didn't say I was quoting Dr. Anderson. . .

What I said was I base my BELIEF that black folk can't be racist on the same or similar commentary that is in the video/s.

It's true, a lot of black people ARE in denial about 'black ppl being racist' and those same folk will say in a minute "anybody can be racist even blk ppl" and that is simply not true.

AND. . .a lot of black ppl don't see how we are kept oppressed all by design.

Okay, okay, okay!

btw ricardmath...I mean romulous. . .if you have a problem understanding my posts feel free to put me back on your ignore list.

I won't loose any sleep over it.

quote:

Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
Boy Rom doesn't handle defeat well.

Indeed...he is quite the sore loser. The sheer fact that he's now trying to spread his idiocy over in this thread only exposes the fact that he's covering...I guess he decided to take his circus on the road...Anyway, even though it is both PATHETIC and ENTERTAINING to watch...I believe at this point it's best just to ignor him...

Let's just have an intelligent conversation around him as he debases himself for our amusement....

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Originally posted by Fabulous:
On my gawd ...this is so 'right on' it's scary, heck, brought tears to my eyes too (along with Dr. Anderson in the first few videos). . .toward the end I wanted to hear more. Thank you for posting the links, much appreciated. . . A powerful message indeed, I think we ALL need to stop, listen & pay attention.

Thank you sistah and I'm pleased you got something out of the video...your response is greatly appreciated and motivation to keep getting the word out.

If we all talk to our own families about the true state of Blacks in America then eventually our collective mindset as a people will change. Then and ONLY then will we be moving in the right direction to start vastly improving our situation....

Oh and a word of advice don't pay that Romo any attention that's all he wants from you...
Because nobody is buying his B.S. anymore so he's just acting out like an overgrown two year old...We've already did the heavy lifting to expose him...he's unworthy of your time just ignor him....

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Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

I encourage you to do just that....everybody you care about needs to be informed and knowledge (and the implementation thereof) is power. There's a storm coming and Blacks need to get it together fast to be prepared for it...

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
Boy Rom doesn't handle defeat well.

Indeed...he is quite the sore loser. The sheer fact that he's now trying to spread his idiocy over in this thread only exposes the fact that he's covering...I guess he decided to take his circus on the road...Anyway, even though it is both PATHETIC and ENTERTAINING to watch...I believe at this point it's best just to ignor him...

Let's just have an intelligent conversation around him as he debases himself for our amusement....

All three of you lost, liediecryptor. And as much as I know people are tired of this childish pissing match that you've decided to spread to another thread I'm going to keep proving you're wrong. Anyone can speak the truth about the bottom tenth poverty-stricken blacks but to lump all blacks into one category is complete bullshit.

zakar couldn't prove "blacks don't have no wealth" nor could he prove "black wealth hasn't changed since 1860.

afro-saxon couldn't prove shit either nor did he even have anything to contribute to the thread other than unsubstantiated, subjective opinions.

You, liediecryptor, may have provided evidence that there is a disparity between blacks and whites but there's something I gotta tell you: WE ALREADY KNOW THIS. You CANNOT take the black lower class and compare them to white middle class and think you'll find fairness and equity.

The bottom line on Dr. Anderson as far as the six sorry ass YouTube videos you posted is he is nothing but a self-righteous, self-absorbed asshole that praises himself on the webpage of his own non-profit agency. In six YouTube videos the only message Dr. Anderson pushed was black people are too DUMB to build their own neighborhoods, hope, there is no way out but to WORK or STEAL or GO TO JAIL, and blacks only have a tiny window of time to escape or be trampled by the hispanics.

If you caught a section in those six videos where Dr. Anderson encouraged anyone or provided any solutions or even offered any NEW data please inform me because I didn't see or hear shit in those vidoes that was positive, enlightening or empowering.

For Dr. Anderson or whoever wrote that commentary on his OWN webpage about his OWN non-profit agency to be referred to as "one of the widely recognized, influential individuals" does not in any way qualify him as having precedence over every other published authority in the nation--not even by a long shot, particularly, since there is overwhelming data that proves otherwise.

You still have not proved black wealth has not changed since the 1800's nor have you proved blacks have no wealth. You ONLY proved there is a growing disparity between blacks and whites, which when you compare lower class blacks to middle class whites is QUITE evident.

Not only are you a SORE LOSER, liediecryptor, you're an EGOMANIACAL ATTENTION SEEKER, and a SELF-CENTERED CHILD, which is evident in how your prancing around quoting everyone that made a positive comment and responded with a shallow, cheesy THANK YOU like you had just one an Oscar. You still haven't proved shit, liediecryptor. Dr. Anderson himself hasn't proved shit anymore than what any fool with the least amount of common sense already KNOWS.



You LOST, liediecryptor. Stop trying to prolong your embarrassment. Just because one or two people "LIKE" Dr. ANderson's ranting and raving doesn't qualify him as the end all be all especially when he considers many blacks to be "not too bright".


I think more balance needs to be provided in this thread. I'll just bring the scores of data I've already compiled from the previous thread to this thread because this thread is leaning too much to the left with emotional, subjective preaching and pandering.

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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:
Boy Rom doesn't handle defeat well.

Indeed...he is quite the sore loser. The sheer fact that he's now trying to spread his idiocy over in this thread only exposes the fact that he's covering...I guess he decided to take his circus on the road...Anyway, even though it is both PATHETIC and ENTERTAINING to watch...I believe at this point it's best just to ignor him...

Let's just have an intelligent conversation around him as he debases himself for our amusement....

All three of you lost, liediecryptor. And as much as I know people are tired of this childish pissing match that you've decided to spread to another thread I'm going to keep proving you're wrong. Anyone can speak the truth about the bottom tenth poverty-stricken blacks but to lump all blacks into one category is complete bullshit.

zakar couldn't prove "blacks don't have no wealth" nor could he prove "black wealth hasn't changed since 1860.

afro-saxon couldn't prove shit either nor did he even have anything to contribute to the thread other than unsubstantiated, subjective opinions.

You, liediecryptor, may have provided evidence that there is a disparity between blacks and whites but there's something I gotta tell you: WE ALREADY KNOW THIS. You CANNOT take the black lower class and compare them to white middle class and think you'll find fairness and equity.

The bottom line on Dr. Anderson as far as the six sorry ass YouTube videos you posted is he is nothing but a self-righteous, self-absorbed asshole that praises himself on the webpage of his own non-profit agency. In six YouTube videos the only message Dr. Anderson pushed was black people are too DUMB to build their own neighborhoods, hope, there is no way out but to WORK or STEAL or GO TO JAIL, and blacks only have a tiny window of time to escape or be trampled by the hispanics.

If you caught a section in those six videos where Dr. Anderson encouraged anyone or provided any solutions or even offered any NEW data please inform me because I didn't see or hear shit in those vidoes that was positive, enlightening or empowering.

For Dr. Anderson or whoever wrote that commentary on his OWN webpage about his OWN non-profit agency to be referred to as "one of the widely recognized, influential individuals" does not in any way qualify him as having precedence over every other published authority in the nation--not even by a long shot, particularly, since there is overwhelming data that proves otherwise.

You still have not proved black wealth has not changed since the 1800's nor have you proved blacks have no wealth. You ONLY proved there is a growing disparity between blacks and whites, which when you compare lower class blacks to middle class whites is QUITE evident.

Not only are you a SORE LOSER, liediecryptor, you're an EGOMANIACAL ATTENTION SEEKER, and a SELF-CENTERED CHILD, which is evident in how your prancing around quoting everyone that made a positive comment and responded with a shallow, cheesy THANK YOU like you had just one an Oscar. You still haven't proved shit, liediecryptor. Dr. Anderson himself hasn't proved shit anymore than what any fool with the least amount of common sense already KNOWS.



You LOST, liediecryptor. Stop trying to prolong your embarrassment. Just because one or two people "LIKE" Dr. ANderson's ranting and raving doesn't qualify him as the end all be all especially when he considers many blacks to be "not too bright".


I think more balance needs to be provided in this thread. I'll just bring the scores of data I've already compiled from the previous thread to this thread because this thread is leaning too much to the left with emotional, subjective preaching and pandering.

You didn't post one link that proved anything conclusively. What you did do is post things and claim some sort of odd victory, though it was clear you links proved nothing.Wealth is relative 1 dollar today is .90 in a few years and .20 in ten. Where have you proven that Black own more of America's wealth than they did in the 19th century?

LieDecryptor, thanks for the videos & information! I'll definitely be using those links and contact information. This is one of the best posts I've seen so far on this board! Thanks again!

I like Dr. Claude Anderson's philosophy...what I've heard of it.

I am not one for 'chasing links'...unless of course there is reason.

Nebulous charges don't make me inclined to doubt the integrity of Dr. Anderson.

I know of his work in Michigan, and California, and...I think...in one or two southern States.

I haven't heard any other single person or group of persons that has implemented a comparable program..., or...suggested such.

Has anyone?

PEACE

Jim Chester

I've been watching the links

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Originally posted by Afro Saxon:

Where have you proven that Black own more of America's wealth than they did in the 19th century?

You know, ive heard this before but the full impact just hit me recently when Zakar (i believe added some numbers). in the 1800's there were 288K free blacks who were responsible for 1/2 percent of wealth

and currently there are 40 million free blacks and our percentage of wealth relative to the larger population hasn't changed?

oh my!

I must admit that I haven't watched the videos; however, I am familiar with Dr. Anderson and have read, and am currently re-reading, his book, Powernomics.

I must also admit that if the videos are a rehash of the stats, I WILL NOT watch them. I am already aware that the State of Black Economics has not changed since the end of the Civil War.

But that said, I AM willing and able to to participate in a discussion on the State of Black Economics, especially if any discussion is solution/action plan oriented.

Lastly, a word of advice ...

Don't spin your wheels arguing what is evident.

http://www.seattlemedium.com/news/Article/Article.asp?N...6&sID=3&ItemSource=L

Does this sound like Trickle down economics to you?

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

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Originally posted by Fabulous:
On my gawd ...this is so 'right on' it's scary, heck, brought tears to my eyes too (along with Dr. Anderson in the first few videos). . .toward the end I wanted to hear more. Thank you for posting the links, much appreciated. . . A powerful message indeed, I think we ALL need to stop, listen & pay attention.

Thank you sistah and I'm pleased you got something out of the video...your response is greatly appreciated and motivation to keep getting the word out.

You're welcomed and yes, I absolutely 'DID' get something out of the videos. fyi - it's brothers like you who make me proud. thanks again for sharing. I'm so glad I took the time to check it out..........your argument made too much sense to me.

If we all talk to our own families about the true state of Blacks in America then eventually our collective mindset as a people will change. Then and ONLY then will we be moving in the right direction to start vastly improving our situation....

Sounds like a plan. . .a good one in fact.

Oh and a word of advice don't pay that Romo any attention that's all he wants from you...
Because nobody is buying his B.S. anymore so he's just acting out like an overgrown two year old...We've already did the heavy lifting to expose him...he's unworthy of your time just ignor him....

You're right of course. ftr - Romulous & I are old enemies, in fact, I'm surprised he responded to my comments because last I heard, I was supposedly on his 'ignore list' (if I recall correctly).

Believe me, I won't allow him or any other 'hater' to take up too much of my precious time, only every now & then for old times sakes. That said. . .I look forward to reading more of your commentary.

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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:

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Originally posted by Fabulous:
As I think about it, I will pass the links along to family & friends. Too many of us are in deep denial.

I encourage you to do just that....everybody you care about needs to be informed and knowledge (and the implementation thereof) is power. There's a storm coming and Blacks need to get it together fast to be prepared for it...

In accounting when you are talking about the economic state of an economic unit there are two things involved.

The Balance Sheet

and

The Income Statement

The Balance Sheet is about NET WORTH the Income Statement is about the CASH FLOW since the last time a Balance Sheet was done.

We have been hearing about the cash flow of Black consumers for decades. I think when I first started hearing about it it was 300 billion dollars. But what that money got spent on affects the Balance Sheet over the long haul.

So the higher the percentage of people that make smart decisions the better the chances for increasing NET WORTH.

Now on the business side there are other problems. I have talked to about a dozen Black IT professionals. Every one of them told me that they have had Black businessmen try or succeed at ripping them off. A couple said they don't even try dealing with Black businessmen any more. So it is really curious behavior for people who complain about Black people not patronizing Black businesses. Considering the increase in power and the drop in price resulting in the pervasivness of computers now this is self defeating. In many ways computing is more complicated now then 12 years ago though prices have gone through the floor.

It ain't the price of the computer it is what it can do for you. It could now make sense to pay more for the consulting than for the computer but people think because the computer is cheap the consultant should be to. They need to start analyzing the value of what the computer does for them and not just have them for status symbols.

I think part of it is Black men focus on beating each other too much. Is this the result of the sports fixation as kids?

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Originally posted by james wesley chester:

I like Dr. Claude Anderson's philosophy...what I've heard of it.
Nebulous charges don't make me inclined to doubt the integrity of Dr. Anderson.

And this is exactly how black people end up getting the short end of the stick. This is exactly the kind of blind stubborness liediecryptor was looking for, which is why he ran away from the 'mutts like me' thread. It isn't a matter of whether there is a mountain of data that isn't in accordance or even in opposition to whomever the person is in question--it doesn't matter whether the person is right or wrong, what matters is if you like the person in question. And if you like the person in question you turn a deaf ear to anything and everything that isn't in accordance.

Dr. Anderson stood there in front of an audience of thousands, in those six videos liediecryptor is staking his life on, and told those people in so many words there is no hope for black people except to work, steal and go to jail, you're too stupid to build your own communities, and the hispanics are waiting to knock blacks off of the #2 spot. What was the one solution Dr. Anderson gave out of all six of those YouTube videos? "We need to get in our churches and find out how to own something!!! Does that sound like a comprehensive solution for the African American community? I mean, seriously, you don't have to take my word for it. Watch all six videos.

If out of six videos the only thing Dr. Anderson could do is rehash widely known statistics, cry about black people in the Nineth Ward District, and tell an audience of hundreds if not thousands that there is no hope for black people but to steal and go to jail, how the hell are you going to put your unconditional faith in an asshole like that? I understand, and it's all good. If their 'blame whitey' mantra is delivered in the traditional redneck preacher format (read the book: 'Black Rednecks and White Liberals') then it's as good as gold.

Two Black Americas --Full Article

Posted on Apr 3, 2008



On April 4, 1968, it was possible to make the generalization that being black in this country meant being poor; fully 40 percent of black Americans lived below the poverty line, according to census data, with an additional 20 percent barely keeping their heads above water. African-Americans were heavily concentrated in the inner cities and the rural South. We were far less likely than whites to go to college, and our presence in the corporate world was minimal.

Today about 25 percent of African-Americans are mired in poverty. In many ways, being black and poor is a more desperate and hopeless condition now than it was 40 years ago. For those who managed to enter the middle class, however, most of the old generalizations no longer apply.

There remains a significant income gap between whites and blacks in this country, although it shrinks when educational level is factored in. But the gap in wealth, or net worth, is huge, even when you control for education, age, family size and whatever else you want to throw in. Still, African-Americans control an estimated $800 billion in purchasing power. If that were translated into gross domestic product, a sovereign "Black America" would be the 15th or 16th richest nation on Earth.

Forty years ago, not even 2 percent of black households earned the equivalent of $100,000 a year in today's dollars. Now, about 10 percent of black households have crossed that threshold. George and Louise Jefferson aren't so lonely anymore in that "deluxe apartment in the sky."

Then again, if "The Jeffersons" was being produced today, George and Louise probably wouldn't live in an apartment at all. More realistically, they'd be on a cul-de-sac in a suburban community. In Washington and a growing number of cities, more African-Americans now live in the suburbs than within the city limits.

In a sense, then, the most striking measure of how far African-Americans have come since 1968 isn't the rise of Barack Obama. It's the story of Stanley O'Neal.

That's not to minimize the prospect that a nation midwifed by slavery could soon have its first black president. But O'Neal did something that would have been equally unimaginable 40 years ago. He rose to become chief executive of Merrill Lynch, one of Wall Street's biggest firms; by all accounts, he was a taskmaster of a boss who cared less about whether subordinates liked him than about the bottom line. He placed big bets on mortgage-backed securities, generating record profits for the firm. When he got caught in the mortgage crisis several months ago and was forced to write off billions in losses, he resigned"”and floated back to earth with the help of one of the loveliest golden parachutes Wall Street has seen.

Oh, and his grandfather was born a slave.

Lacking family wealth accumulated by prior generations, middle-class black Americans are right to worry that their economic success is more precarious than that of many whites. But no one can deny that most African-Americans today have opportunities that weren't remotely possible 40 years ago.

For those who haven't made it into the middle class, however, things are different. Inner-city communities were hollowed out"”a process accelerated by the riots that followed King's death"”and then left fallow for decades. Middle-class professionals fled, businesses closed, schools disintegrated, family structure fell apart. Drugs and crime were symptoms of the general rot; the gentrification of recent years has just shifted the pathology from one part of the city to another, or perhaps to a close-in suburb"”swept into a corner.

The African-American poor are a smaller segment than they were 40 years ago, but arguably they are further from full participation in society than they were in King's era. It's not that they have no interest in climbing the ladder, it's that too many rungs are missing.

It's misleading, then, to make any general statement about the condition of black Americans without recognizing black America's diversity. Economically speaking, there is one group of black Americans that has achieved success and one that hasn't"”and the distance between those groups is growing. To make more progress toward Martin Luther King's dream, we have to take an honest assessment of how far we've come"”and honestly account for who's been left behind.

Closing the Gap: Fourty years of economic progress for blacks --Full PDF version


This report presents the findings on the long-term economic progress of American blacks. The report consists of seven sections. The first is a general introduction. Section 2 describes major changes in the racial wage gap for males from 1940 to 1980 and identifies the distribution of wage gains among important subgroups in the black population. Section 3 describes differential racial trends in schooling and the income benefits associated with education. Section 4 deals with the influence of two dimensions of geographic location: black migration to the North and the increasing urbanization of the black population. The extent to which education and place of residence "explain" trends in black-white wage ratios are summarized in Section 5. Section 6 discusses the implications of three historical developments in recent black economic history: the invention of the mechanical cotton picker, the declining workforce participation rates of low-income blacks during the 1970s, and affirmative action. The final section speculates about likely future trends in the racial wage gap. The 40-year record clearly points to a large improvement in the relative economic status of black men. Although black poverty persists, a large black middle class has emerged. The largest wage improvements were found among younger blacks and college-educated blacks. Education has helped significantly to close the income gap, particularly through the narrowing of education disparities between the races and the improved economic return to black schooling.



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