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What would drive a Black man with a six figure income, a lawyer and an advisor to the President to engage in petty theft? Did being a Negro finally get to him and he simply snapped? or was this a call for help, a chance for him to escape the world he lived in.
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There are Negroes who will never fight for freedom. There are Negroes who will seek profit for themselves from the struggle. There are even some Negroes who will cooperate with the oppressors. The hammer blows of discrimination, poverty, and segregation must warp and corrupt some. No one can pretend that because a people may be oppressed, every individual member is virtuous and worthy. Martin Luther King

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What drives a suburban house wife to shoplift or for that matter an actress (Wynona Ryder)? How about the soccer moms on CrystalMeth?

Maybe it is a since of "I'm so important the rules don't apply to me".

Maybe it's just a matter of being human. Just becasue someone obtains "success" or material things doesn't mean a spiritual change or growth.

People are only human
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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
Who is this person?

PEACE

Jim Chester

Claude A. Allen

3/17/2006 06:55 AM
Claude Allen's life sentence
By Erin Aubrey Kaplan
Special to the Los Angeles Times
Salt Lake Tribune

I was shocked by the news about Claude A. Allen, the black former White House staffer whose rising star officially flamed out after he was arrested on charges of felony theft last week.
Not shocked that he got arrested -- so many Republicans are being handcuffed these days for scams of one kind or another that it's hard to keep the names and charges straight. What shocked me was how penny ante his alleged scam was, how unbefitting a man of Allen's stature and lofty ideals rooted in the requisite conservative principles of God, fiscal prudence and anti-affirmative action activism above all else.
Getting a reported few thousand dollars worth of refunds fraudulently at small-ticket stores such as Target and Hecht's is downright anticlimactic, especially for a black man who had enough personal wealth and White House in-crowd connections to swing something much bigger -- real estate fraud, dummy offshore companies. The possibilities were endless.
I don't support conservatism in its current iteration, and I support black conservatives even less, but we cannot ignore the racial implications of this latest Republican fall from grace. Here is a decidedly white-collar black man getting clipped for a blue-collar crime associated with economic necessity, one that practically guarantees prison time for most black men in this country. (Even if he's ultimately convicted, it's doubtful that Allen will end up behind bars.)
Here is a man who, like most black conservatives, has had to do an awful lot of personal and political rationalizing to pay dues, which included apprenticing with then-North Carolina senator and habitual racist Jesse Helms and opposing the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday.
Allen, a lawyer, also was President Bush's top adviser on domestic policy in an era when domestic policy has been indifferent at best to the growing needs of the poor -- the black poor especially. Bush is fond of this kind of symbolism: putting black faces in key positions in order to appear racially progressive. It wouldn't be such a bad thing if the faces actually were progressive or had a vision more pressing than being loyal to the president, but they don't.
Loyalty has been the price of admission to this administration, and black conservatives have proved to be more loyal than most.
That has unfortunately, but not always unfairly, invited comparisons to slave times, when the most loyal blacks were those who worked in closest proximity to their white masters -- house Negroes, as they were derisively known. Such Negroes gained privilege but lost standing in their own community, a price that might have been reasonable if they were eventually granted the same status as the whites they so assiduously served. They weren't, of course; race has always mattered. And it matters now, though the dynamic is more subtle and devious.
Fast-track people such as Allen are praised by conservatives for being shining examples of their race, and, at the same time, they are used in one way or another for public relations purposes and damage control during racially charged moments. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was hastily dispatched to tour the Katrina-shattered South. Her predecessor, Colin Powell, was forced to sit out a world conference on racism and reparations in South Africa five years ago because of his country's -- not his -- official disdain for the whole notion.
It's hard to imagine that such compromises and cognitive dissonance don't exact a psychological toll at some point, and Allen's alleged dabbling in crime might have been that point for him. Was he testing the limits of a power he wasn't sure he had, but needed? Was he fatally overconfident -- fatal indeed for a black man -- that his position shielded him from the consequences of crime, or at least the consequences of petty theft? After a career of always conducting himself appropriately, as his mentor Clarence Thomas reportedly advised, did he finally crack under the pressure? (All black folk, even conservatives, know they have to be three times as upstanding just to get along.) Was he acting out a latent bitterness at being denied a spot on the federal appeals court by a Senate that found his resume too thin and his past reference to gays as "queer" too cavalier for comfort? Or was he a closeted compulsive grifter who would have done this anyway? Hard to know.
What's clear is that the Bush circle and the Christian base that praised Allen the loudest are nowhere to be heard now. That's not surprising; as the transgressions of Republican officials and operatives pile up, people who were once joined at the hip are giving each other wider berths. But for a guy once embraced by all the right people, Allen sure looks lonely now.
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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:

People are only human


Wow, thats Deep! lol

What else could people be besides human? And is our being human a reason to accept certain behaviors as being inevitable or part of being human? Maybe if he was a non-human, like an insect, uhh but wait, he was an insect as it relates to his political affiliations. ek

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I think it was a subconscious urge to take from a system that has taken so much from him psychologically and emotionally.


So this is his striking out at America's structural racist system that forced him to be other than himself in order to achieve success. I could buy it if he opened fire in a store full of white folk, embezzled millions, this Negro was walking into departments stores picking up things and then returning them as if he bought them. This sound kind of sociopathic to me but if I was on the jury I would find him not guilty because he had to be insane to be a part of the Bush Whitehouse.
As I said in the other thread on the topic, Allen spent much of his time at HHS blocking HIV/AIDS prevention funding. He actively cut funding for condom distribution. He is a flaming [have you seen his picture or heard him speak?] homophobe. But the irony is his crime will put him in the, er, position to beg for condom distribution as he will, upon incarceration, no doubt become someone's jail house wife.
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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:
What drives a suburban house wife to shoplift or for that matter an actress (Wynona Ryder)? How about the soccer moms on CrystalMeth?

Maybe it is a since of "I'm so important the rules don't apply to me".

Maybe it's just a matter of being human. Just becasue someone obtains "success" or material things doesn't mean a spiritual change or growth.

People are only human


People are making to much of his politics, this sounds definitely like "I'm above the law" and history has shown that attitude is not one simply found in conservative circles, there are people of all racial and political makeups that for some strange reason commit the most stupid ass petty crimes when compared to their political and social status.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
As I said in the other thread on the topic, Allen spent much of his time at HHS blocking HIV/AIDS prevention funding. He actively cut funding for condom distribution. He is a flaming [have you seen his picture or heard him speak?] homophobe. But the irony is his crime will put him in the, er, position to beg for condom distribution as he will, upon incarceration, no doubt become someone's jail house wife.


lol lol appl

Now, THAT was funny!
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Originally posted by Faheem:
What would drive a Black man with a six figure income, a lawyer and an advisor to the President to engage in petty theft? Did being a Negro finally get to him and he simply snapped? or was this a call for help, a chance for him to escape the world he lived in.


It's interesting how you listed the desriptions "Black," "six figure salary," "lawyer," "advisor," etc. as if these characteristics delineates a person who is trustworthy and honest. We can't assume, however, that "Blacks" with "six figure salaries" and status jobs are more trustworthy than people lacking these characteristics. In fact, some would argue that people in these positions tend to be the least trustworthy because they have formed alliances with people who have earned their status and positions by being untrustworthy.
Once again Rowe you are not connecting the dots. The description I gave of this brother was not given as characteristics that delineates or is commonly associated with being a trustworthy and honest person. However they did represent the characteristics of one who does not engage in petty theft at department stores being that there is very little if anything at all with his salary he could not afford in Target, so why steal?

Is it as members of this forum have opined, he is "suffering from the psychosis that is Black Conservatism", was this his hitting back at the system that have taken so much from him psychologically and emotionally, was it that he has a sense of entitlement or is he a sociopath. Either way, we should be thankful that he did not get confirmed as a judge
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Originally posted by UppityNegress:
Rowe, I understand what you're getting out, but I think the descriptions of his success were to highlight that he lived a very comfortable and affluent life. You get six figures a year, yet must cheat Target out of 5k? Why? It's not about trustworthiness, but the fact that with his salary he hardly needed to do something so stupid.


I know what I'm talking about. The descriptions "Black" and "Negro" were used. Why? Affluent White, Asian, and Latino people in high positions have committed comparable crimes, why aren't their crimes attributed to their races? Is committing a crime something that we should expect from them, and not from Blacks? racist
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Originally posted by Faheem:
The description I gave of this brother was not given as characteristics that delineates or is commonly associated with being a trustworthy and honest person. However they did represent the characteristics of one who does not engage in petty theft at department stores being that there is very little if anything at all with his salary he could not afford in Target, so why steal?


RICH PEOPLE STEAL TOO!

I don't condone stealing. However, most people do not steal because they cannot afford to buy an item; they steal to save money. But what does any of this have to do with Claude being Black??? To be fair, we could ask this same question about anyone. When I shop at high-end departemtnt stores like Neiman Marcus, Bloomingdales, and Nordstrom, I see affluent Asian and White girls stealing all of the time. These women will selectively choose garments having no sensors attached, go inside the dressing rooms, remove the garments from the hangers, then try the garments on. If the garments fit, they dump them inside large status totebags (Prada, Gucci, and Fendi totebags). No one suspects these young women will steal because they look rich; they look as if they can "afford" to shop at high-end stores, and so they get away with stealing.

In fact I used to work as a sales associate at a MACY'S in an affluent, predominately White town in Virginia where I saw this kind of activity all the time. At the end of the day, two of my job responsibilities were to straighten up the sales floor and clean out dressing rooms. And each day, inside the dressing rooms, I would see plenty of hangers with missing garments. Rich people steal too.
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His being Black was mentioned because as a Black man in America there are certain realities we become familiar with early on in life, thus his rising to the place he was at as a Black man with the understanding that being upward mobile and Black, does not stop you from being Black thus to engage in activity that does not reflect well on yourself in an unforgiving system especially to people that look like you is border line insanity. Fortunately for us, he is a turncoat thus his fall from white folk grace matters not to us, we are just interesting in what made the negro snap and go clepto..
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However they did represent the characteristics of one who does not engage in petty theft at department stores being that there is very little if anything at all with his salary he could not afford in Target, so why steal?


Who decided that? So if you're well off, then petty theft is NOT a characteristic. Why, because as some have pointed out he has the means to commit BIGGER crimes then the one he was caught and arrested for?

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RICH PEOPLE STEAL TOO!


Hence my statement, people are only human. Just because some have the means to do better doesn't make them better then anyone else. He's just another brick in the wall.

His reasons for stealing can be the same as for the poorest person or the average middle class individual. They did it for the excitement, they have a mental disorder...etc

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I could buy it if he opened fire in a store full of white folk, embezzled millions, this Negro was walking into departments stores picking up things and then returning them as if he bought them.


So your bothered not by the stealing but because it was petty left rather then big time left like the ENRON fellas
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Originally posted by MidLifeMan:
His reasons for stealing can be the same as for the poorest person or the average middle class individual. They did it for the excitement, they have a mental disorder...etc


THOU SHALL NOT STEAL

I think he stole because he's cheap, and he didn't want to spend his money. People with a pocket full of credit card accounts and cash money will steal candy and things like that from the 7-Eleven. They do it because they want to save their money for something else they deem "more important," like bills. Therefore perhaps this issue is really about having integrity. Is integrity becoming scarce? Why do people think its OK to steal every now and again. Is stealing an addictive behavior?

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