Modern-day Romans w/the right to kill at will.

Stats on financial frauds, senseless killings and racial profiling are overwhelming here...

Fine

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:
Modern-day Romans w/the right to kill at will.

Fine

HUH?

'Knowledge can be communicated but not wisdom">>>Herman Hesse

Of course, I avoid conflict with the police, but I do not respect them nor their tactics...

...I mean Quasi-Roman Modern-Day Police. Wow, CF's words 'do' come in handy at times.

Seriously, it is your right to defend this annex of the law, it is mine to think and feel otherwise!

I agree to disagree.

Fine

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:

Modern-day Romans w/the right to kill at will.

Stats on financial frauds, senseless killings and racial profiling are overwhelming here...

Fine

Exactly! Right on point.

Your new avatar is beautiful, Fine.

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow:

"Knowledge can be communicated but not wisdom"

And you're proof positive of the above with the distinction that both have eluded you.

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow:

...in 2003 residents aged 12 and above in the United States experienced about 24 million victimizations, and there occurred 1,381,259 murders, robberies and other violent crimes, averaging 475 cases per 100,000 people. Among them there were 16,503 homicides, up 1.7 percent over 2002, or nearly six cases in every 100,000 residents, and one of every 44 Americans aged above 12 was victimized.
http://english.people.com.cn/200503/03/eng20050303_175406.html

From this link you cited in support of the original post on this topic, you selectively and conveniently edited out this part of the article:

Police violence and infringement of human rights by law enforcement agencies also constitute a serious problem. At present, 5,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States use TASER - a kind of electric shock gun, which sends out 50,000 volts of impulse voltage after hitting the target. Since 1999, more than 80 people died from TASER shootings, 60 percent of which occurred between November 2003 and November 2004.

A survey found that in the 17 years from 1985 to 2002, Los Angeles recorded more than 100 times increase in police shooting at automobile drivers, killing at least 25 and injuring more than 30 of them. Of these cases, 90 percent were due to misjudgment. (The Los Angeles Times, Feb. 29, 2004.)

On Jul. 21, 2004 Chinese citizen Zhao Yan was handcuffed and severely beaten while she was in the United States on a normal business trip. She suffered injuries in many parts of her body and serious mental harm.

The New York Times reported on Apr. 19, 2004 a comprehensive study of 328 criminal cases over the last 15 years in which the convicted person was exonerated suggests that there are thousands of innocent people in prison today. The study identified 199 murder exoneration, 73 of them in capital cases. In more than half of the cases, the defendants had been in prison for more than 10 years.

Shadow, can I ask you seriously, what's wrong with you?

Nice try Shadow but in the end it is futile to try convince people who would rather side with the criminals who poison the neighbourhoods with drugs and kill it with violence.

it is easier to point at the police as the bad guys and all the while failing to realize that law enforcement is everyone's responsibility. in the end you get the community that you deserve. If you fail to participate to make your community safe by turning a blind eye to gangs, drugs and violence then you should not be surprised when if you become a victim of crime that no one will be a witness or help you.

So in the end I guess something is wrong with me too as I want a safe community for my children to grow and succeed in and this may mean that i have to cooperate with the police. This does not mean giving the police carte blanche to do whatever they please it is not an either or issue nor doe it have to do with being liberal or conservative.

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:
Of course, I avoid conflict with the police, but I do not respect them nor their tactics...

...I mean Quasi-Roman Modern-Day Police. Wow, CF's words 'do' come in handy at times.

Seriously, it is your right to defend this annex of the law, it is mine to think and feel otherwise!

I agree to disagree.

Fine

Fine:
I did not understand your response.
so the 'Huh' was right
But this topic has nothing to do with what the police are in your opinion.
The facts are posted to show, that the condition of the police who protect you and me every day are worse than any thug, crimminal, who gets beat by the police. They go through much more
then the few stupid thugs.

quote:

Originally posted by Pace Tua:

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:

Modern-day Romans w/the right to kill at will.

Stats on financial frauds, senseless killings and racial profiling are overwhelming here...

Fine

Exactly! Right on point.

Your new avatar is beautiful, Fine.

I think that her response is correct, the police do hold the power to kill if need be.
That's a fact.
So why do stupid folks go up against the law protector, who can take their life in a second?
WHere is the common sense takeing on a professional killer, with the court system behind him?

quote:

Originally posted by Pace Tua:

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow:

...in 2003 residents aged 12 and above in the United States experienced about 24 million victimizations, and there occurred 1,381,259 murders, robberies and other violent crimes, averaging 475 cases per 100,000 people. Among them there were 16,503 homicides, up 1.7 percent over 2002, or nearly six cases in every 100,000 residents, and one of every 44 Americans aged above 12 was victimized.
http://english.people.com.cn/200503/03/eng20050303_175406.html

From this link you cited in support of the original post on this topic, you selectively and conveniently edited out this part of the article:

Police violence and infringement of human rights by law enforcement agencies also constitute a serious problem. At present, 5,000 law enforcement agencies in the United States use TASER - a kind of electric shock gun, which sends out 50,000 volts of impulse voltage after hitting the target. Since 1999, more than 80 people died from TASER shootings, 60 percent of which occurred between November 2003 and November 2004.

A survey found that in the 17 years from 1985 to 2002, Los Angeles recorded more than 100 times increase in police shooting at automobile drivers, killing at least 25 and injuring more than 30 of them. Of these cases, 90 percent were due to misjudgment. (The Los Angeles Times, Feb. 29, 2004.)

On Jul. 21, 2004 Chinese citizen Zhao Yan was handcuffed and severely beaten while she was in the United States on a normal business trip. She suffered injuries in many parts of her body and serious mental harm.

The New York Times reported on Apr. 19, 2004 a comprehensive study of 328 criminal cases over the last 15 years in which the convicted person was exonerated suggests that there are thousands of innocent people in prison today. The study identified 199 murder exoneration, 73 of them in capital cases. In more than half of the cases, the defendants had been in prison for more than 10 years.

Shadow, can I ask you seriously, what's wrong with you?

Pace Tua;
There was no leaving out of any facts.
I use what part an article to prove my thoughts
Did I not provide the link so any one could read for them selves. Just as you did.
In most of my posting that are to long, I do post, for the complete aricle, click link.
Again, I have nothing to hide.

My facts speak for themselves.
So the facts you found at this site, poves my points. The police are killed more times at the hands of thug sub humans, than the police kill regular folks.

quote:

Originally posted by Blacksanction:
Nice try Shadow but in the end it is futile to try convince people who would rather side with the criminals who poison the neighbourhoods with drugs and kill it with violence.

Retort>>>>>>>>
Mr. Blackstation:
I understand this position, but reality must be present to counter this insane thinking.


it is easier to point at the police as the bad guys and all the while failing to realize that law enforcement is everyone's responsibility. in the end you get the community that you deserve. If you fail to participate to make your community safe by turning a blind eye to gangs, drugs and violence then you should not be surprised when if you become a victim of crime that no one will be a witness or help you.

Retort>>>This too is right on point. But if the good people are to be saved from this TRash who preys on our community, The so called Left wing revolutionarys, need to be made to stand up and stop the trash from continuling their assult. Far to long Left wing lunitics stand by and watch the black community go down while blameing evey one else.


So in the end I guess something is wrong with me too as I want a safe community for my children to grow and succeed in and this may mean that i have to cooperate with the police. This does not mean giving the police carte blanche to do whatever they please it is not an either or issue nor doe it have to do with being liberal or conservative.

Retort>>
There is nothing wrong with "Khemitian Folks like yourself who are 'IT'S?
'Independent Thinkers' are our only hope. BE proud to be an "IT"

"The precious quest for black self-esteem is reduced by some to immature and cathartic gestures that bespeak an excessive obsession with whites and jews. There can be no healthy conception of black humanity based on such obsessions.">>>Cornel West.

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow:

Pace Tua;
There was no leaving out of any facts.
I use what part an article to prove my thoughts
Did I not provide the link so any one could read for them selves. Just as you did.
In most of my posting that are to long, I do post, for the complete aricle, click link.
Again, I have nothing to hide.

My facts speak for themselves.
So the facts you found at this site, poves my points. The police are killed more times at the hands of thug sub humans, than the police kill regular folks.

Yes, you did. You provided the link and did not try to hide anything. And yes, you do provide links to everything that you post.

Obviously, with an article as long as the one you cited, you couldn't post the whole thing. People would give it one glance, see the length and move on.

But if material is presented that is contrary to the theme of the topic and is in an article that's been cited, it should be presented, as well. In this case, it was only a few paragraphs. JMHO.

BTW, thank you for the link and the article. It contained a lot of information and is worth reading.

Blah blah bullshit!

Police don't even rank among the top ten in dangerous occupations! That hype is accepted so readily because too many people revere authority figures without question.

Think... it's still legal!

Top Ten Most Dangerous Professions

_{per 100,000 employed}

Logging workers**
Fatality Rate: 92.4
Reported Fatalities: 85
Most Common Cause: Contacts with objects

Aircraft pilots and flight engineers***
Fatality Rate: 92.4
Reported Fatalities: 109
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Fishers and related fishing workers
Fatality Rate: 86.4
Reported Fatalities: 38
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Structural iron and steel workers
Fatality Rate: 47.0
Reported Fatalities: 31
Most Common Cause: Falls

Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatality Rate: 43.2
Reported Fatalities: 35
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Farmers and ranchers
Fatality Rate: 37.5
Reported Fatalities: 307
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Roofers
Fatality Rate: 34.9
Reported Fatalities: 94
Most Common Cause: Falls

Electrical power-line installers and repairers
Fatality Rate: 30.0
Reported Fatalities: 36
Most Common Cause: Exposure to harmful substances

Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Fatality Rate: 27.6
Reported Fatalities: 905
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
Fatality Rate: 24.2
Reported Fatalities: 67
Most Common Cause: Assaults and violent acts

Thanks Shadow:

Those people who put their lives at risk to insure we have a CIVIL society need to be recognized.

One day the people who have the largest grievance against the police will establish a "virtual police force" FROM THEIR OWN COMMUNITY that stand as a buffer between the police and the members of their community. They will address some situations before the police are made aware of them via a 9/11 call.

The community knows who the drug dealers are. This VPF will patrol the corners and stop this foolishness that is destorying their community (regardless of if the CIA brought the drugs in - this is not relevant to the final leg that is actually injecting the infected needle into the vein of the community.)

Night-time predators will no longer operate with impunity against the people in the community who only wish to live in peace.

Mothers will no longer fear having their children play outside and receiving a stray bullet from a drug related shootout that takes place because the VPF will have their eyes out for illicit activities that are taking place and put a stop to it.

It is going to take AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS buy our community to shape OUR COMMUNITIES to the way we say we want them to be. Sadly the situation in New Orleans showed how the communities there has so little infrastructure for support inside of them. The need for help cascaded upward to the next level of government and there was a systematic failure to provide a timely response. Hundreds of smaller fortresses are more difficult to battle than dependence on one large fortress which when it fails causes mass casualties.

http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/dangerousjobs.htm

Occupation


Relative Risk*


Leading Fatal Event

Average All Jobs

1.0


Homicide and Accidents

Fishers

21.3


Drowning

Timber Cutters

20.6


Struck by Object

Airplane Pilots

19.9


Airplane Crashes

Structural Metal Workers

13.1


Falls

Taxi Cab Drivers

9.5


Homicide

Construction Workers

8.1


Vehicular, Falls

Roofers

5.9


Falls

Electric Power Installers/Repairers

5.7


Electrocution

Truck Driver

5.3


Highway Crashes

Farm Occupations

5.1


Vehicular

Police, Detectives, Supervisors

3.4


Homicide, Highway Crashes

Nonconstruction Laborers

3.2


Vehicular

Electricians

3.2


Electrocution

Welders and Cutters

2.4


Falls, fires

Guards

2.3


Homicide

Groundkeepers and Gardeners

1.9


Vehicular

Carpenters

1.6


Falls

Auto Mechanics

1.1


Highway Crashes, Homicide

Supervisors, Proprietors, Sales

1.0


Homicide

Cashiers

0.9


Homicide



Yes the police were #11 on the list.

Its great comparing apples to oranges. With the exception of store clerks, taxi drivers, the rest were the result of industrial accidents-collisions, falls, mech failures or electrocution. They were not the result of being attacked by some drugged out asshole or pissed-off abusive spouse.

The difference which some don't want to see is that the police put themselves in harms way to protect people who really don't give shit if the policeman/woman lives or dies. Police are tasked with finding people who don't want to go to jail for crimes they so willingly committed. police have to do their job regardless of the lack of support that they get from some persons in their communities.
I said it before, you get the policing you deserve when you fail to support the police. Yes there have been years of mistrust on both sides of the fence but you just can't give in to either the bandits or the "bad" police. You should be encouraging members in your community to join the police departments and attorney offices to make change from the inside.

Just bad mouthing does nothing but ensures that the police department in your cmmunity does not hire the best(as they will go where they are respected) and thus you will be left with the unhirables- you get what you deserve.

quote:

Originally posted by Blacksanction:The difference which some don't want to see is that the police put themselves in harms way to protect people who really don't give shit if the policeman/woman lives or dies. ...

The problem is that you're the one that won't acknowledge that. They chose the profession. If it's so overwhelming they need to find a new industry in which to earn a living. They get no leeway in their professional conduct for having a stressful job.

quote:

Just bad mouthing does nothing but ensures that the police department in your cmmunity does not hire the best(as they will go where they are respected) and thus you will be left with the unhirables- you get what you deserve.

Another one of the nonsensical conclusions you neo-cons enjoy making. Based on the posts on a messageboard you would know where people live and can accurately predict if the police would respond to a call. In addtion to being fervent believers in the stereotypes about other people of African descent, you folks also must be psychic.

If you can't personalize the response with a clumsy jab at those you disagree with, you can't say nothing a'tall.

Police Worship
Tim Wise
01.07.02

First, if we define heroism by the extent to which one puts his life on the line in the course of his work -- and apparently that's the operative definition nowadays -- then there is nothing all that heroic about policing. According to the Department of Labor, the on-the-job fatality rate for police is lower than that for gardeners, electricians, truck drivers, garbage collectors, construction workers, airline pilots, timber cutters, and commercial fisherman. In fact, fishermen have an occupational fatality rate that is fifteen times higher than that for cops, but rarely do we hear those who provide us with an endless supply of mahi-mahi described as heroes.

An average of 66 police officers per year were killed feloniously during the 1990s, with the number falling to only 42 in 1999. As Marie De Santis, Director of the Women's Justice Center explains, the flawed presentation of cops as embattled heroes is not only inaccurate, but also dangerous: "By cultivating a hyper-inflated myth of heroes sacrificing their lives for you, police have created a shield of public veneration to defend against criticism of any misdeed. Who then can blame police for building arsenals against the citizens, for firing at first blink, for medieval codes of silence?" ...

...If the system is rife with inequality and injustice, then those whose job it is to uphold that system are part of the problem, just as much as they may be part of the "solution" to something like crime. By presenting police officers as inherently special and vital bulwarks against chaos, pro-cop ideologues paper over ongoing injustices in the system, [just what we have in this thread] making it more difficult to see and ultimately fix those problems. ...

quote:

Originally posted by Pace Tua:

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:

Modern-day Romans w/the right to kill at will.

Stats on financial frauds, senseless killings and racial profiling are overwhelming here...

Fine

--I am shocked!!! You mean 'you' are giving me a compliment. I remember your comments to some of my previous posts--very personal, angry and hateful...

Fine


Exactly! Right on point.

Your new avatar is beautiful, Fine.

Isome-

quote:

First, if we define heroism by the extent to which one puts his life on the line in the course of his work -- and apparently that's the operative definition nowadays -- then there is nothing all that heroic about policing.

.

--heroic and policing are oxymorons...

Fine

Shadow--

quote:

Fine:
I did not understand your response.
so the 'Huh' was right
But this topic has nothing to do with what the police are in your opinion.
The facts are posted to show, that the condition of the police who protect you and me every day are worse than any thug, crimminal, who gets beat by the police. They go through much more then the few stupid thugs.

--I understood your topic, but wanted to interject as objectively as thought IMOHO...

I believe police to be 'armed' thugs...commissions to carry out the law by any means necessary.

Fine

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:

--I am shocked!!! You mean 'you' are giving me a compliment. I remember your comments to some of my previous posts--very personal, angry and hateful...

Not so! I've complimented you before. And if any of my previous posts were personal, angry or hateful, then I apologize.

quote:

Originally posted by Pace Tua:

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:

--I am shocked!!! You mean 'you' are giving me a compliment. I remember your comments to some of my previous posts--very personal, angry and hateful...

Not so! I've complimented you before. And if any of my previous posts were personal, angry or hateful, then I apologize.

Apology accepted. In the future let's agree to disagree agreeably....

Fine

quote:

Originally posted by Isome:
Blah blah bullshit!

Police don't even rank among the top ten in dangerous occupations! That hype is accepted so readily because too many people revere authority figures without question.

Think... it's still legal!

Top Ten Most Dangerous Professions

_{per 100,000 employed}

Logging workers**
Fatality Rate: 92.4
Reported Fatalities: 85
Most Common Cause: Contacts with objects

Aircraft pilots and flight engineers***
Fatality Rate: 92.4
Reported Fatalities: 109
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Fishers and related fishing workers
Fatality Rate: 86.4
Reported Fatalities: 38
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Structural iron and steel workers
Fatality Rate: 47.0
Reported Fatalities: 31
Most Common Cause: Falls

Refuse and recyclable material collectors
Fatality Rate: 43.2
Reported Fatalities: 35
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Farmers and ranchers
Fatality Rate: 37.5
Reported Fatalities: 307
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Roofers
Fatality Rate: 34.9
Reported Fatalities: 94
Most Common Cause: Falls

Electrical power-line installers and repairers
Fatality Rate: 30.0
Reported Fatalities: 36
Most Common Cause: Exposure to harmful substances

Driver/sales workers and truck drivers
Fatality Rate: 27.6
Reported Fatalities: 905
Most Common Cause: Transportation incidents

Taxi drivers and chauffeurs
Fatality Rate: 24.2
Reported Fatalities: 67
Most Common Cause: Assaults and violent acts

ISOME:
I do reallize Libeals have a hard time focusing on the real issues. But my post was clear.
Policemen are killed by thugs, that's thugs?
More than regular folks are killed by policemen.

I did not state, policemen are killed more than
regular folks.

So now that we have cleard this up?
When are you going to make a real change in the
community?
When are you going to sign up and be a policemen, so you can stoped police brutality and protect the Khemitain people?
SOoner or later, Folks are going to have to stand up and take control of thier own, instead of begging others to protect them, and do right by them. SO I await your response telling all, that you have decide to stop talking about the police. And do something?

YOur reponse should read like this>>>>

ISOme, sign up today to stop the white policemen, from brutalize my community, by becomeing a policmen to protect my own
sign________ISOME__________________.

PS: Please don;t make me lauph, by comeing back with some do nothing "Blatherskite Leftist Radicalism bull. It's time to stand up and be counted.

quote:

Originally posted by Fine:

Apology accepted. In the future let's agree to disagree agreeably....

Agreed!

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow:

ISOME:
I do reallize Libeals hae a hard ime focusing on the real issues. But my post was clear.
Policemen are killed by thugs, that's thugs?
More than regular folks are killed by policemen.

I apologize. You see, I did not believe it was a question of who killed police officers. I already knew that (as does most every other human being over the age of seven) and interpreted your posting of the information to be the typical hero-worship that shallow 'groids do so well.

Since you are clearly in awe of the pedestrian information, then please enjoy your moment.

quote:

PS: Please don;t make me lauph, by comeing back with some do nothing "Blatherskite Leftist Radicalism bull. It's time to stand up and be counted.

Ahhh you project, as blatherskite-spewing, semi-literate black lackeys are known to do. So, although I would attempt to decipher your gobbledygook, I want you to enjoy your moment oohing and ahhhing over information that is neither new, nor useful.

quote:

If you can't personalize the response with a clumsy jab at those you disagree with, you can't say nothing a'tall.

I did address you.
And I do my best to address each poster that response to me.
AS with many responses, it take a general retort to answer some post.

So come on now? no need in praticing being "pleionsis. Let others have some of the retorts. "Psaphonic's are not well liked. lol lol.


'The only way to get rid of temptation is to yeild to it.">>Oscar Wilde

Mr.Constructive Feedback:

Quote>>>>One day the people who have the largest grievance against the police will establish a "virtual police force" FROM THEIR OWN COMMUNITY that stand as a buffer between the police and the members of their community. They will address some situations before the police are made aware of them via a 9/11 call.

It is going to take AFFIRMATIVE ACTIONS buy our community to shape OUR COMMUNITIES to the way we say we want them to be. Sadly the situation in New Orleans showed how the communities there has so little infrastructure for support inside of them. The need for help cascaded upward to the next level of government and there was a systematic failure to provide a timely response. Hundreds of smaller fortresses are more difficult to battle than dependence on one large fortress which when it fails causes mass casualties.

Reply>>>>>>>>>>>>>
That may be a long day in waiting.
Too many of our folks want the white man to stop brutalizing us, Do right by us. This will be a long day in coming, if we do not use the laws already on the books.

WE all ready have ˜Terry VS OHIO'

The police can be held libel for wrongful arrest if they do not follow the five standards of a lawful arrest.
There are enough lawyers, and Liberal judges to make this so.
However, Folks who scream the loudest about police brutality will not stand up and be police officers.
There is not going to be a police force from our own community.
We are to busy, crying about the white man, to do any thing. We want someone else to do something.

EMP >>WE can get two million or more folks voting & spending thousands of dollars on some buck dancing young folk to get a record deal from some white own record label, but we can't get two church's of black folks to back young folks with College money to become policemen of our own community's. /American Idol/.

Just like the education of our children, we depend on others who we hate, to educate our own.

"A system of oppression draws much of its strength from the acquiescence of it's victims who have accepted the dominant image of themselves and are paralyzed by the sense of helplessness." >>>Pauli Murray

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow:
I did address you.
And I do my best to address each poster that response to me.
AS with many responses, it take a general retort to answer some post.

So come on now? no need in praticing being "pleionsis. Let others have some of the retorts. "Psaphonic's are not well liked. lol lol.

I wasn't addressing YOU in that post! RIF... so is reading comprehension and spelling.

And, please stop projecting your mental psychosis onto others. The proper spelling is p-l-e-i-o-n-o-s-i-s, and coming from someone who refers to himself as the Paladin of Dissension (it's more accurate to use the paladin of puffery), you are most definitely suffering from the Ozymandia syndrome.

From Human Rights Watch:

From filing a complaint to pursuing legal recourse, the victim of police abuse is faced with unnecessary difficulties and, in some cases, concerted opposition from police officers and powerful police unions. The chances of local criminal prosecution are slim, and of federal civil rights prosecution, even for strong cases, remote.

One area where the federal role in checking police abuse recently has been the Justice Department's enhanced is its new powers to conduct investigations to determine whether there is a "pattern or practice" of abuse in particular police departments and to bring lawsuits ordering reforms to end abusive practices. (In two cases, cities agreed to implement reforms to end violative practices rather than risk the Justice Department taking a case to court for injunctive action.) And although privately filed civil lawsuits are sometimes successful, they do not provide real redress; frequently, the officer in question escapes not only administrative punishment for the offense but also, because of indemnity policies, any personal financial liability.

Poor police killed by thugs. So what! Some of them are thugs themselves. Tit for tat!

Worshiping at the alter of police may make some people feel superior, but when they get thrown to the ground and get a nice foot in the neck, like too many other law-abiding, non-confrontational Black men do, that worship means nothing to the thug in a blue uniform!

Would it be wrong to say "F*** the police"?

Nope you would be politically correct, SS!

Fine

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here in the "nasti nati" when police are 'caught in the act' of serving and protecting they are eventually exonerated and awarded backpay...

City ordered to rehire officer
Appeals court backs arbitrator
http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051124/NEWS01/511240351
By Kevin Eigelbach
Post staff reporter

The Ohio Court of Appeals has ordered the city of Cincinnati to reinstate an officer dismissed in connection with the death of a man in custody.

A three-judge panel unanimously agreed Wednesday that the city had to reinstate Officer Patrick Caton, who was fired over the death of Roger Owensby Jr.

Owensby, 29, died in November 2000, after police officers scuffled with him outside a convenience store parking lot in Roselawn. The county coroner determined that Owensby died from asphyxiation while officers where trying to restrain him.

The city determined that Caton had violated six rules of police procedure. An arbitrator reduced his punishment from termination to a 40-hour suspension.

The city appealed the arbitrator's decision on July 28, 2004, and last February, the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas overturned the arbitrator's decision.

The appeals court concluded that the arbitrator had made the right decision.

"Whether we would have ruled differently than the arbitrator is immaterial," wrote Judge Gorman. "Only when the arbitrator has overstepped the bounds of the authority, conferred by the parties, may a reviewing court vacate an award."

After an eight-day trial in November 2001, a Hamilton County jury acquitted Caton of a misdemeanor assault charge filed against him in the Owensby case.

During the trial, two officers testified that they saw Caton strike Owensby while he was handcuffed, and another said Caton told him after the struggle, "We kicked his ass."

Caton was fired in February 2003, along with Officer Victor Spellen, who admitted lying under oath during the trial of Officer Robert "Blaine" Jorg, who also struggled with Owensby the night of his death.

The same judges who upheld an arbitrator's decision in the Caton case overturned the arbitrator's decision in the Spellen case last April, ruling that the city did have the right to fire Spellen. The judges said that Spellen's perjury threatened the foundations of the legal system and damaged the public's confidence in it.



Publication date: 11-24-2005

quote:

Originally posted by SistahSouljah:
Would it be wrong to say "F*** the police"?

Hey, isn't that a song?

Yeah keep chanting up until you really need them to save your sorry ass.

Shadow this is such typical behaviour. The ones who rely on the police the most at the ones who most whine about the police. It like dealing with a group of teenagers who think they know everything and really know shit except for obscure words that they find in the dictionary.

So in the end Shadow the piss and moaners will continue as they are, too gutless to stepup to the plate to make positive improvements in their communities (their time best spent protecting gang bangers, killers and drug dealers).

And just in case you were wondering this from the guy who started it all Sir Robert Peel


Sir Robert Peel Policing Philosophy




* The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.

* To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfill their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions, and behavior, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.

* To recognize always that to secure and maintain the respect and approval of the public means also the securing of willing cooperation of the public in the task of securing observance of laws.

* To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes, proportionately, the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.

* To seek and to preserve public favor, not by pandering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolutely impartial service to law, in complete independence of policy, and without regard to the justice or injustices of the substance of individual laws; by ready offering of individual service and friendship to all members of the public without regard to their wealth or social standing; by ready exercise of courtesy and friendly good humor; and by ready offering of individual sacrifice in protecting and preserving life.

* To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order; and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.

* To maintain at all time a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen, in the interests of community welfare and existence.

* To recognize always the need for strict adherence to police-executive functions, and to refrain from even seeming to usurp the powers of the judiciary of avenging individuals or the state, and of authoritatively judging guilt and punishing the guilty.

* To recognize always that the test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, and not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with them.


Of course some people like to opt out of certain sections of the above. It only works if everyone does their part, it's your community that will either benefit or suffer due to the level of participation.

So what are you willing to do for a safer community- gum flappin ain't enough.

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Originally posted by SistahSouljah:
Would it be wrong to say "F*** the police"?

No, that wouldn't be wrong, it is a song.

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Yeah keep chanting up until you really need them to save your sorry ass.

My city ranks #18 on the Top 25 Most Dangerous Cities in the Nation list. There have been almost 60 (that they know of) murders in my town this year alone.

You tell me who the police are saving.

A young girl was shot dead and her sister was wounded when gunshots penetrated the walls of their apartment last week. It was the work of gangs.

You tell me who the police are saving.

A torso was found in a dog park in the upper-class part of town last month. The arms, legs, and head belonging to the same body were found a few miles away.

You tell me who the police are saving.

The jails are overcrowded, and the county is releasing prisoners back on the street.

You tell me who the police are saving.

There is a house down the street from where I live that 8 or more registered sex offenders call home.

You tell me who the police are saving.

Six months ago we called the police because there was an intruder on our property. We had to scare him off ourselves because the pigs didn't show up until the NEXT DAY.

Now you tell me, who the police are saving.

Wow and the police were not involved in the shootings were they?

The police do not place sex offenders in halfway housing (in fact most cops would prefer to shoot sex offenders- but some liberals frown on that)

You refer to them as pigs but expect prompt service. Well just roll out the welcome mat!

Hint, honey attracts more flys than salt, perhaps its time to work with, not against the police. You probably would get prompter service.

*gasp*

//begin sarcasm//

SistaSouljah, you've been working against the police!! And, you haven't been caught yet... remarkable! You must be a real outlaw type.

//end sarcasm//

Isome

So who gets blamed when there is no one willing to be the police?

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Originally posted by Blacksanction:
Isome

So who gets blamed when there is no one willing to be the police?

Why the unrealistic questions from dumbasses? Yeah, I called you a dumbass, the same way you tried to call everyone not in agreement with you a "sorry ass".

As long as something pays money, there will be those willing to do the job. Keep your ignorant ass hypotheticals in Canada.