Can anyone provide some background and/or a critique of the following text?:

The Oahspe Bible: A New Bible in the Words of Jehovih and His Angel Embassadors by Dr. John Ballou Newbrough

This rare, and not commonly known book or bible was a channeled set of writings to a Dentist in the 1800's, named Dr. John Ballou Newbrough. It was first published in 1885.

The amazing part of this manuscript of channelings, are the revelations of scientific ideas, that were only to become facts when later discovered with modern science and technology.

Strange as the book itself - is the account of its birth. A graduate in both medicine and dentistry, Dr Newbrough was also gifted with astonishing ESP. Many of the foremost mediums of his day were guests in his home, and were put through the tests in the efforts of Dr. Newbrough to determine the truth or falsity of spirit phenomena. After several years of playing around with various mediums, the good doctor became disgusted with the vacuity of the things they told him while under spirit influence.

Convinced that he was being contacted by out-of-the-body intelligences he was also disgusted with the low grade of intelligence displayed by them. The years between 1871 and 1881 were spent in spiritual purification during which time he became aware of spiritual guidance. Instructed to buy a typewriter (which had just been invented) he did so. Upon sitting at the instrument an hour before dawn he discovered that his hands typed, except when he read what was being printed. He was told he must not read the book until it was finished.

At the end of a year, the manuscript was finished -- The OAHSPE - a New Bible.

OAHSPE purports to be written at the command of God, who states the He is NOT the creator but is simply the chief executive officer for planet Earth.

This strange book informs us that the world entered a new era in the year 1848, how the new era is different from those which preceded and what changes will come to humanity...

One of the chapters or books gives the keys to ancient languages.

"OAHSPE is a book of spiritual light and truth. It is also a historical record. The reading of OAHSPE is an undertaking worthy of the most assiduous care."
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Have you read it? What did you think?


I have not. I'm inquiring about the text because I suspect my sister (the sister that I've talked about on another thread) is involved in a cult. The Oahspe Bible (Vol. 1 and 2) is the text that she's been raving about. Since reading this text, she's has morphed into an obsessive religious fanatic, almost overnight. I was wondering if anyone has information about this strange text and the kinds of people who gravitate to its content. Needless to say, I am skeptical of any text that has been written by someone who claimed to have been in a "trance" during its construction. Even more suspicious is this text of "spiritual enlightenment" was delivered through the mind of a White man.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Have you read it? What did you think?


I have not. I'm inquiring about the text because I suspect my sister (the sister that I've talked about on another thread) is involved in a cult. The Oahspe Bible (Vol. 1 and 2) is the text that she's been raving about. Since reading this text, she's has morphed into an obsessive religious fanatic, almost overnight. I was wondering if anyone has information about this strange text and the kinds of people who gravitate to its content. Needless to say, I am skeptical of any text that has been written by someone who claimed to have been in a "trance" during its construction. Even more suspicious is this text of "spiritual enlightenment" was delivered through the mind of a White man.


I'm not an expert on religion. But I've read a lot. And I've never heard about it. sounds like a cult to me. A Google search turned up some interesting stuff.

Oshun, are you in the picture on your new avatar?
rowe,

If you are interested in reading it--you might not be. The parts I read of it once were turgid and deliberately (it seemed to me) old-fashioned to make it sound "real"--try:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/index.htm

The late 1800s was a time rife with superstition and seances and trances and the kind of automatic writing this fellow is supposed to have done.

Seriously, it looks to me as though he was cashing in on the fad.

If this is what interests your sister, I share your concern.

I know that you don't think much of me, but with your permission, I'd like to pray for her for a while. I'd like it if this phase is just that, a phase, and it passes quickly.
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Originally posted by Melesi:
rowe,

If you are interested in reading it--you might not be. The parts I read of it once were turgid and deliberately (it seemed to me) old-fashioned to make it sound "real"--try:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/oah/oah/index.htm

The late 1800s was a time rife with superstition and seances and trances and the kind of automatic writing this fellow is supposed to have done.

Seriously, it looks to me as though he was cashing in on the fad.

If this is what interests your sister, I share your concern.

I know that you don't think much of me, but with your permission, I'd like to pray for her for a while. I'd like it if this phase is just that, a phase, and it passes quickly.


You weren't so concerned when you thought she became an ordinary Christian nut were you?

But I'd say the book may even be a forgery... I've glanced through it... Something looks fishy about it
Remember writing this?:

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If it claims to have any genuine knowledge, and that knowledge is different in any way from the received wisdom, then it is seen as dangerous, lamentable (as in, "A member of my family has become a Christian, what can I do about that?"), and to be opposed.


Nope, you didn't care. Probably applauded.
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Originally posted by Melesi:
I know that you don't think much of me, but with your permission, I'd like to pray for her for a while. I'd like it if this phase is just that, a phase, and it passes quickly.


I mean, if you think it'll help her, then do it, but I don't think this transition she's making is a phase. She's really passionate about this. She's even gone so far as to call family members to question how strong our relationship is with God, "Jehovih." She fears that we won't get into heaven when the last days come and she attributes the recent string of Chruch burnings as evidence of people fearing the coming judgement of the last days. At first, I was merely disappointed in her choice, but now I'm really concerned. Anyway, the information you gave me about what was taking place in the 1800s is really helpful. It helps to have a historical perspective. Thanks.
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Originally posted by HonestBrother:
You weren't so concerned when you thought she became an ordinary Christian nut were you?


Yes I was concerned, but at least Christianity is something that I can readily identify. This "Jehovih" business, I don't know.
Rowe,

I've been away for a bit dealing with some little excitement in the life of a neighbor with an oxycontin addiction, but I actually have been thinking about your sister. I hope that this is still timely enough that it might be of some good if not of some help.

My first question to mull over was why she might have found something as outlandish as the Oahspe Bible attractive. On its face it is rather silly, and very much like all the other stuff about spiritualism that came out of the late 19th century. Why would someone of reasonable intelligence"”she is your sister and thus partakes of your history"”find this stuff interesting enough to believe in it? I think that that question in fact has in it the seeds of its own answer. I'm not sure that she did. Oh, she will no doubt say now that it did, but I would wager"”because that's the way these things go in the great majority of cases"”that what brought her to it was not the ideology, not the theology or the news about strange aliens and secret knowledge that only a few have.

What came to mind during this was what happened when Jesus called his first disciples. Jesus was John the Baptist's second cousin, and when he called, say, Andrew, Andrew went and got his brother Peter. James came into the fold with his brother John. Some were without family ties that we know of, but the first ones all came from the same area and had something(s) in common.

That pattern seems to hold through history. In Acts, when the Philippian jailer converts, Peter speaks of him "and your whole house." There are several family ties mentioned in the New Testament, and now and then a married couple like Aquila and Priscilla.

In contemporary times it still goes on. A study of the first American members of the Unification Church (Sung Myung Moon's "Moonies") in 1959 and 1960, the first converts were all friends. A Unification Church missionary named Young Oon Kim came alone from Korea to Oregon (Eugene?). She rented a room from a landlady and convinced her that Rev. Moon was the Lord of the Second Advent. She then brought in a friend of hers, who brought in a friend of hers. They were closely followed by their husbands and then by some of their friends from work. This whole group"”about a dozen by this time--moved to San Francisco and began a work there. For all their time in Oregon they never converted a stranger. In S.F. they had to wait from some time to form friendly relationships to get people to listen to them seriously. In fact, their first converts in San Francisco were old friends from Oregon who had come to visit them. They tried speaking to groups and using radio ads, but these got them nowhere. They converted people who came to form friendships with them.

Many of these people had never even been interested in religion before this. They would say that their lives were "empty" before, but they didn't know that and they certainly didn't say it before they converted to the Unification Church, only afterward. Afterward they would say that it was the theology, the "truth" of it that attracted them, but that's not what they said before or during their "attraction" time.

Their converts were all people whose attachments to members of the church were stronger than their attachments to other people. Conversion most of the time, then, seems to be more about doing what your friends do than finding out what is right and doing that.

Back in the Nineties I read a bit in control theory of deviant behavior. A pair of researchers"”Gottfried and someone, as I recall"”asked a question that I had not asked (that's why they are the researchers). I was wondering why people would break norms. Deviant behavior and all that. They asked why people conform, why they go along with a crowd and don't break norms. They put it in terms of having an emotional stake in the relationship. If I am more concerned about losing someone's good opinion of me than I am about the color of my clothes, I will wear the clothes that that person says I should. If I am approached by a Moonie who is a friend, I will refuse the offer to join the church only if I have enough friends whose opinion I respect who disapprove of the church. We need a social network. Without one, we are vulnerable to those who become our friends. That's why young people have to watch out for the friends they make. It's a kind of adult peer pressure. It's not quite that crass or simple, but it is an adult form of that.

In fact, now that I think of it, there have been other studies that have concluded the same thing.

Now, obviously I do not know your sister, so I cannot say exactly why she decided to join this group, but if she did it for a reason like this, logic on your part will not prevail. In fact, if I read your posts rightly, your having expressed disapproval as strongly as you seem to have would in her eyes make you a religious "enemy," not to be trusted. Whatever you say for a while she would suspect.

But you have time. Where's she going to get another sister? You will always have a tie to her, and you will always have the right to speak to her. Not at first about this, not to correct her at any rate, but I would wager that you would at first catch her off guard if you started reading her Bible"”or one like it, anyway"”and started talking to her about it to learn from her. If you listen to what she says, I'll bet scattered among all the references to things alien and ancient will be mentions of relationships.

You will not be able to break those relationships, but you might be able to balance them and so keep her from going off a very deep end. You don't have to agree with her, now, but just don't confront or contradict. You can find good questions to ask and ask her those, hoping that she will find one of them telling and troubling. We have to be troubled before we will change.

And give her time. Her ardor will cool after a while and if she's anything like you at all she will begin to think. Let her do so. Suggesting thoughts and considerations that she cannot get from her present friends may in time bear fruit. Be patient, and remember that love does not coerce. It is willing to suffer instead, and will accept what it can while it waits for the rest of the good to happen. It can help, but it will not demand.

It may take a long time, but it's the end that determines the race.

I hope that this helps. I pray for her. And may you have the wisdom and love that will help her see.
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Originally posted by Rowe:
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Have you read it? What did you think?


I have not. I'm inquiring about the text because I suspect my sister (the sister that I've talked about on another thread) is involved in a cult. The Oahspe Bible (Vol. 1 and 2) is the text that she's been raving about. Since reading this text, she's has morphed into an obsessive religious fanatic, almost overnight. I was wondering if anyone has information about this strange text and the kinds of people who gravitate to its content. Needless to say, I am skeptical of any text that has been written by someone who claimed to have been in a "trance" during its construction. Even more suspicious is this text of "spiritual enlightenment" was delivered through the mind of a White man.


Rowe, sorry to hear about your sister. It's sad to hear about folks getting rapped up in fear cults. You might want to check 'cult watch', they are a X-tian(fear cult) group, but they have good info on cults like this, and, from what I remember reading, suggested intervention techniques.
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My first question to mull over was why she might have found something as outlandish as the Oahspe Bible attractive. On its face it is rather silly, and very much like all the other stuff about spiritualism that came out of the late 19th century. Why would someone of reasonable intelligence"”she is your sister and thus partakes of your history"”find this stuff interesting enough to believe in it?


Actually, I have not revealed everything there is to know about this situation. My sister's ex-boyfriend, Brandon (his actual name), has a father who used to be a practicing minister. My sister and Brandon's relationship lasted for five years, and during the course of their relationship, my sister had developed some sort of wierd on-going relationship with Brandon's father, an eccentric African-American man who is feeble and half-blind. When you meet Brandon's father, admittedly, he has a presence of being very wise and "all-knowing." Now the odd thing is, though my sister and Brandon's relationship has been over for nearly three years, my sister's relationship with Brandon's father has bloomed. Serving as a spiritual guide or perhaps a mentor, this man has shared with her the "sacred teachings" of The Oahspe Bible, they spend many hours conversing on the telephone, and she has been so inspired by his "wisdom" that he's managed to encourage and support her plans to establish a non-profit organization that will teach people about Jehovih's message. Surprisingly, my sister has managed to even convince her best friend, Ebony, another twenty-something year old, attractive woman to join her as a disciple of Jehovih. All of this, I've recently learned from my mother, whose been keeping tabs on her plans. So now, not only am I concerned, I am afraid of the extend to which this man's inpiration will lead my sister. At this juncture, there is simply no stopping her. She is thoroughly convinced that the The Oahspe Bible speaks the truth and that we (her family) are no more than just anti-religious phonies who have no interest in God. Some people reading this may think that I'm perhaps making all of this up, but this is actually ocurring in my life right now, and I am completely distraught over what's taking place.

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What came to mind during this was what happened when Jesus called his first disciples...That pattern seems to hold through history. In Acts, when the Philippian jailer converts, Peter speaks of him "and your whole house."... In contemporary times it still goes on. A study of the first American members of the Unification Church (Sung Myung Moon's "Moonies") in 1959 and 1960, the first converts were all friends.


These are three interesting analogies. From what I've read, they could very well be applicable to my situation. I also agree with your admonishment warning people to be careful about with whom they make friends. And perhaps it is also true that when people lack a spiritual and/or religious foundation, they are more likely to fall prey to suspect organizations and groups like the one being discussed.

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Now, obviously I do not know your sister, so I cannot say exactly why she decided to join this group, but if she did it for a reason like this, logic on your part will not prevail. In fact, if I read your posts rightly, your having expressed disapproval as strongly as you seem to have would in her eyes make you a religious "enemy," not to be trusted.


You are indeed correct. Things like "ration" and "logic" are deemed as conditions of "man's knowledge." The only knowledge upon which she presently relies is "Jehoviah's Knowledge." Any knowlege that contradicts Jehovih's knowledge is immediately discredited. This is the reason why we are not speaking to one another, because ultimately, it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with someone who has literally shut down their mind in deference to what they believe is the truth.

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But I would wager that you would at first catch her off guard if you started reading her Bible"”or one like it, anyway"”and started talking to her about it to learn from her. If you listen to what she says, I'll bet scattered among all the references to things alien and ancient will be mentions of relationships. You don't have to agree with her, now, but just don't confront or contradict. And give her time.


This is great advice, but I have no interest in reading this text. However, I will take your advice about giving her time. In fact, my entire family and I have all agreed that we can do nothing but give her time. My sister has always been a gullible and impressionable person. But I'm sure that Brandon's father is not taking sexual advantage of her (at least I hope she's not that niave and stupid), so we have decided to just wait it out and hope that she comes to her senses. After all, she is twenty-six years old, and therefore she is an adult.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
Rowe, sorry to hear about your sister. It's sad to hear about folks getting rapped up in fear cults. You might want to check 'cult watch', they are a X-tian(fear cult) group, but they have good info on cults like this, and, from what I remember reading, suggested intervention techniques.


Thanks for condolence and the suggestion! kiss

Oahspe is a CULT BIBLE.

 

It appeals to those who will believe anything and everything without ever questioning anything. 

 

It is completely ANTI-FAMILY, and ANTI-Woman, and Racist.  It appeals to the un-educated who have little experience or patience for "facts" or logic.

 

Simply stated it is a NEW AGE mish-mash of other writer's ideas, reformulated to look like some new revelation. The proponents of this book are keen to post sterling reviews of this book on chat sites and other new age websites in order to recruit new followers. Or, they post rather transparent queries on chat sites in order to drive traffic to their CULT. :-)

 

In order to sell more books and raise money, and recruit new members, Oahspe also claims to contain some "secret" science that nobody except the author supposedly knew anything about.

 

However, if you bother to look up this so-called science, you will be disappointed to find that most of not all of it is nothing more than plagiarized pre-1881 thought. And poorly plagiarized at that. (if you are going to copy a mathematical formula from someone else and claim it is your own, have the decency to correctly copy it. And if you are going to expound on the nature of the solar system, it might be wise to check and see that you even have the planets in the correct order.  You know, Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, etc., etc.)

 

It claims to be written by ANGELS.  Based on the facts, it was not angels who wrote this book.  But more likely, a New York con man who had a way of sizing up potential converts financially.

 

Many people have thrown away their marriages, children, brothers, sisters, education, careers, etc. etc. to follow this sick want-to-be religion. Many such cults have been based roughly on this book, and all of them had long lasting psychological effects on followers.

 

The adherents of this book, never mention the mind control, sleep deprivation, poor nutrition, and isolation from family, and friends. They never mention their own families who were ripped apart when they "signed up."

 

Want a brutally honest look at the "fruits" of this book?  Take a look at Jim Jones and the Jonestown tragedy.  And if you want to take an even closer look, you will find that the Pre-Jonestown jungle was originally cleared by followers of Oahspe.  So I will leave it up to you to decide if it was written by DEMONS or Angeles.

 

Beware.  It is like a bacteria that infects the brain.  The Salem Witch Trials were one such bacteria.  Oahspe is just another slicker, newer version of the same old scam.

 

Sadly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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