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This word is the key reason why still struggle in 2005 and here's why. The history and definition of the word (not the BS definition given in the dictionary) is negative and designed to belittle our people. It may be the oldest deragatory word in existance and the most used. If you are alone in China and can't understand any other word but this one if you hear it, you know who they are talking about, theres is no doubt. There is NOTHING positive about this word yet we hold on to it like it's a badge of honour. As long as we use and think that we are what the word suggests, we will always be living in a cycle of ignorance and death.

No matter how you think you are changing the definition of this word, you are not. Why would we even want to try? We are the only race of people that casually uses the most deragatory word about our race freely and in public as if to say "I'm ok with this word and I agree with what it says about me and my people." Changing "er" to "a" doesn't make it more appealing, cool or acceptable either. The word remains the same. We are NOT n*****s and we need to abandon using this word if we ever plan to succeed as a people.

Discuss.
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DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL...
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This word is the key reason why still struggle in 2005
In a word, AMAZING... Well, two words. Amazingly ridiculous.

The N-Word is the "key", main reason??
That doesn't even begin to make sense. And funny? I read nothing in what you wrote that linked the N-Word to or rather explained, established the N-Word as "the main/key" reason...

To be honest, this stuff is really boring...
This DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL, let alone making unsupported, sweeping
(and ridiculous) claims.

It's pretty amazing too, how there's a certain percentage of newcomers who always have this thing in their Introductory Script. Striking, actually...
I can't say that I agree that all of our problems come from that vile word, but I think anyone using that word to describe their brethren, or even worse, themselves, is dealing with some serious hatred for self and community. Shooting down that filthy crap would certainly be a step in the right direction and I'm not sure why there are so many lost folks persistently trying to make it part of the Black identity. bang
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL...
quote:
This word is the key reason why still struggle in 2005
In a word, AMAZING... Well, two words. Amazingly ridiculous.

The N-Word is the "key", main reason??
That doesn't even begin to make sense. And funny? I read nothing in what you wrote that linked the N-Word to or rather explained, established the N-Word as "the main/key" reason...

To be honest, this stuff is really boring...
This DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL, let alone making unsupported, sweeping
(and ridiculous) claims.

It's pretty amazing too, how there's a certain percentage of newcomers who always have this thing in their Introductory Script. Striking, actually...


A very harsh but true rebuttal. The reason we still struggle today is not something that can be explained away so easily as you have done with your statement. The reason we still strugle today is a very complex subject that encompasses many reasons.

I wish it were only that simple as just getting black people to stop using the word and have all of our problems disappear.
Every time a new memeber come they want to discuss things that have been discussed ad-nauseum on this forum.. Blacknite here are a few links for you on this very topic that most of us have opined about years ago..

How Do You Feel About This Song About The "N" Word?

michael dyson stops using the word nigger

Banning the word n-i-g-g-a?!

The almighty "N" Word...should not be used by ANYONE!

This is just a few ... there are more...
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL...
quote:
This word is the key reason why still struggle in 2005
In a word, AMAZING... Well, two words. Amazingly ridiculous.

The N-Word is the "key", main reason??
That doesn't even begin to make sense. And funny? I read nothing in what you wrote that linked the N-Word to or rather explained, established the N-Word as "the main/key" reason...

To be honest, this stuff is really boring...
This DWELLING ON THE SUPERFICIAL, let alone making unsupported, sweeping
(and ridiculous) claims.

It's pretty amazing too, how there's a certain percentage of newcomers who always have this thing in their Introductory Script. Striking, actually...
What are YOU talking about?
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
I don't want to speak entirely for the brotha that started the thread, but is it not true that the foundation of striving for (and getting) more is expecting more and feeling you are worthy of more?? Can you really think you are worthy of success and achievement if you think of yourself as a nigger?
Exactly! I have no idea why this was so difficult for the others to understand. If you think you are nothing and that no matter what you do you will always be that word, how do you expect to get anywhere? As long as we BELIEVE we have any attachment to that word, we allow ourselves to wallow in self hatred which is counter-productive.
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Originally posted by Faheem:
Every time a new memeber come they want to discuss things that have been discussed ad-nauseum on this forum.. Blacknite here are a few links for you on this very topic that most of us have opined about years ago..

How Do You Feel About This Song About The "N" Word?

michael dyson stops using the word nigger

Banning the word n-i-g-g-a?!

The almighty "N" Word...should not be used by ANYONE!

This is just a few ... there are more...
I guess it keeps getting brought up because we still use it.
I administered a forum on ezboard and we had the same problem. But while the oldheads see it as a problem, really it's just a matter of where people are in their journey towards enlightenment.

We had discussed dark skin/light skin, interracial dating, bi-racial confusion, the racial epithet, etc., and we were ready to move on. We wanted to get input on economic cooperation, stolen land, multi-pronged approaches to galvanizing the collective, different methods of effective agitation, M'aat, etc., but not everyone that entered was seeking dialogue on issues like those, or they weren't quite there yet.

It is bound to happen wherever you are.
Blacknite;

More disturbing than the use of this IGNORANT and hateful word as a term of endearment AND as it is pressed on millions of CDs each year and sold to White folks for them to call us a "Nig ger" as they sing along (GoldDIGGER)

is the knowledge that the Black community has no means to STOP THE USE OF THIS WORD BY OUR OWN PEOPLE if in fact we had the will to do so.

You see when it comes to White Racism there are structures and institutions that can be made use of to purge offensive behavior from our midst. We could pass a Civil Rights Law that laid out the guidelines of appropriate behavior and add LEGAL CONSEQUENCES to be used against those who violated these laws.

There are picket lines to be formed around the front entrance of any company or government entity who dared to offend us in any way.

There is the boycott that can be used to "hit people in the wallet".

But what about this IGNORANT WORD that is used so frequently in a body of brothers who are just hanging out as I witnessed about 6 weeks ago?

It is not going to be the typical defensive approach that purges this IGNORANT word out of our common day lexicon.

It will take CULTURAL CONSCIOUSNESS to show the masses of Black people who make use of this word as a term of endearment that they are using a word that caused great injury to their ancestors.

The Russell Simmons and Ludacris' of the world who CLAIM to be "redefining this word" as they use it are also PROFITING from their use of this word. This tale of their agenda is nothing more than a preplaced notion that is hoped to distract criticism when their new song is released. To allow such a positioned person to tell the Black community why they are using this word is like allowing the FOX to install a PA system into the Hen House and let them choose the selection of songs to be broadcasted to the hens.

Where is the Black community's imposition upon these producers of messages to us for them to PULL UP?
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Originally posted by Isome:
I administered a forum on ezboard and we had the same problem. But while the oldheads see it as a problem, really it's just a matter of where people are in their journey towards enlightenment.

We had discussed dark skin/light skin, interracial dating, bi-racial confusion, the racial epithet, etc., and we were ready to move on. We wanted to get input on economic cooperation, stolen land, multi-pronged approaches to galvanizing the collective, different methods of effective agitation, M'aat, etc., but not everyone that entered was seeking dialogue on issues like those, or they weren't quite there yet.

It is bound to happen wherever you are.


That's a bit pompous, Isome. Bringing up a certain topic on a message board is not a good indicator of one's level of consciousness/enlightenment. (And certainly focusing on specific elements of Black culture/life/thought/etc are no more High And Mighty than others. It's all important.) We discuss everything on this board several times over. Even when the thread title is markedly different, you open some of them up and it's the same discussion going on again because people are not finished talking about it or because someone has brought a little something new to the topic.

If people are so drop-dead tired of discussing something, they can use the Power of the Mouse and not click on the thread. Geez! This guy is brand new. A little hospitality might be nice.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
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...We wanted to get input on economic cooperation, stolen land, multi-pronged approaches to galvanizing the collective, different methods of effective agitation, M'aat, etc., but not everyone that entered was seeking dialogue on issues like those, or they weren't quite there yet.

...


That's a bit pompous, Isome. Bringing up a certain topic on a message board is not a good indicator of one's level of consciousness/enlightenment. (And certainly focusing on specific elements of Black culture/life/thought/etc are no more High And Mighty than others. ...

If people are so drop-dead tired of discussing something, they can use the Power of the Mouse and not click on the thread. Geez! This guy is brand new. A little hospitality might be nice.


I'm brand new and I didn't insult the topic or the author. Read my response again, or not.
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economic cooperation

Cooperation YES
CONFISCATION - NO

Rather than having a system of GOVERNMENT to CONFISCATE people's money in greater proportion to what they should be liable for how about the REVERSE ETHIC of showing people THE IMPORTANCE of MAXIMIZING their contributions so that THE GROUP WILL BENEFIT? This will also be seen in your message to ABLE BODIED PEOPLE who are NOT CONTRIBUTING THEIR FAIR SHARE due to their CHOICES, helping them to gain more consciousness and showing them where they fit into the big picture.

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stolen land

You clearly like "STOLEN LAND" - You are living on it and have not attempted to give it back to it's original owner with you assuming the personal loss for yielding what YOU NOW KNOW to be STOLEN.

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multi-pronged approaches to galvanizing the collective

Nothing that a dose of CONSCIOUSNESS and PURPOSE couldn't cure.

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different methods of effective agitation

If only you could switch your focus from "EFFECTIVE Agitation" over to EFFECTIVE POLICIES WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY we might have at least one point of agreement.

By DEFINITION "Agitation" is focused upon the "shaking of" some external power that has influence over YOU, hoping that THEY will change to provide YOU with comfort and relief. Is such a strategy going to fix our problems?

Wouldn't the most extreme case of "agitation" be to DEPART FROM THIS SOURCE OF DISCOMFORT and live on your own? Does AGITATION provide you with the SYSTEMS FOR LIVING that would have you to survive if you were ever on your own?

Wouldn't a more STRATEGIC course be ISSOLATION where you minimize this antagonistic force upon you by keeping him "out of your fort" and then making sure that you have the proper eco sysem within your fort to survive, limiting your dependence on this external adversary?
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:

Wouldn't a more STRATEGIC course be ISSOLATION where you minimize this antagonistic force upon you by keeping him "out of your fort" and then making sure that you have the proper eco sysem within your fort to survive, limiting your dependence on this external adversary?


You should create a thread and we'll talk about it. What are you, a Black Nationalist?

Go ahead, create the thread and we'll discuss it.
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That's a bit pompous, Isome. Bringing up a certain topic on a message board is not a good indicator of one's level of consciousness/enlightenment.
Frenchy, in this case and in many others, it sure seems like it. It's not just "bringing up the topic" but how the topic is presented. A person's rhetoric, the claims/assumptions they make, are indeed a very good indicator of their level of "enlightenment."

Frenchy, you will not have us dismiss all of our own personal experience, knowledge and ability to analyze things (both in assessing our own development over the years, as well as that of others we've encountered) just to show your level of agreement with BLACKNITE's "sentiment." Rhetorically speaking what he has said via his choice of words, here and elsewhere, and mode of delivery especially in terms of presenting and supporting his thesis is a strong indicator. That is to say that B-Nite's own language, in and of itself, his use of appeals, etc. can be analyzed and classified into a classic type of rhetoric that has a lot to do with level of "enlightenment" and/or his ability, not unlike so many others, to get beyond merely VOICING SENTIMENTS.

VOICING SENTIMENTS are like making premises in an argument. A true premise alone hardly makes for a "true" overall point - i.e. it doesn't make the conclusion "true" or solid. Damn the sentiments. It's the conclusion, the actual stated reason a person makes a post for - i.e. the point their trying to prove or support - that's germane for critique or praise/affirmation.

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Geez! This guy is brand new. A little hospitality might be nice.
And there you are, in essence, wanting us to tailor what we say to the person's "level of enlightenment". The person may be "brand new" here but that says nothing about how new they are to discussing these issues. If we make the assumption that the person is intelligent enought to make an intelligent argument or present a point intelligently, instead of just VOICING A SENTIMENT and expecting the sentiment to carry their argument instead of their argument carrying their sentiment, then there is nothing to be "hospitable" about when they have launched themselves headlong into a debate/issue they feel their ready to discuss.

This "civility" and hospitality BS goes way too far and is way too unchecked and unexamined. Ain't no freebies here, Frenchy. New BS doesn't get any more tokens than Old BS.

What is up with all that?

If BlackNite was looking for "hospitality", etc. then, especially if you're going to be objective and not patronizing in your own assumptions about how "new" B-Nite is (with all the serial lurkers and name-changers, etc.)... then B-Nite, himself, would present himself in a different fashion.

Again, I can reference a thread when one of my thesis/theories in a thread I made when I was "brand new" here were EBONY ROSE was hardly "hospitable" because something I said struck a nerve with here. Now, I didn't have nor did I want someone saying, in essence, "Take It Easy On Him. He's New." If a person, any person is bold enough to start a thread and make such bold statements as B-Nite has then they ought to be able to defend their view and deal with whatever response it evokes.

Him being "new" does not and should not change the nature of how we exchange on this board. Do you actually know how "new" he is?
Do you know whether he's been here before, lurking or otherwise?

Frenchy, just announce your agreement with his SENTIMENT and be done with it. Damn all the MORALIZING about "hospitality" and this and that. We will not forsake all our knowledge and experience for the sake of what you would like to believe and your attempt to defend B-Nite because you agree with his sentiment (to the exclusion of his overall argument).

I'm still trying to figure out how that basic thing got flipped. In this "civility" and "hospitality"/diplomatic mode so many see as a virtue a mere sentiment, a person's premise, is elevated above their actual argument, instead of the other way around. Or, rather, instead of giving out cudos for those who can make point, express a sentiment, anybody can make - e.g. Lip Service. For any "productive" conversation, points should be awarded and people should be pointed to actually making better arguments to support their conclusions.

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If people are so drop-dead tired of discussing something, they can use the Power of the Mouse and not click on the thread.
By the same token, use your MOUSE. The point is hardly about discussing the same topic. But the very people who present this one in particular nerve coming with a different perspective or insight or at the very least an attempt to actually engage actual people who they actually have a counterargument to as to show why actual people here in this forum or someone out in the media that we reference has an idea B-Nite or whoever wants to take a substantive issue with.

Everything I said was tied to B-Nite's argument or lack of one. That's what was boring to me and all so tired.

But, you too have The Power Of The Mouse. Since you don't like the "hospitality" then you can click onto the next thread.
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Originally posted by Frenchy:
Isome, this comment you made:
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I administered a forum on ezboard and we had the same problem. But while the oldheads see it as a problem, really it's just a matter of where people are in their journey towards enlightenment.

is specifically what I was referring to.


O-I-C...

However, the insult was your inference, not my implication.
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It's not just "bringing up the topic" but how the topic is presented. A person's rhetoric, the claims/assumptions they make, are indeed a very good indicator of their level of "enlightenment."


I agree. However, that is not what Isome said.

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And there you are, in essence, wanting us to tailor what we say to the person's "level of enlightenment".


I think it is common courtesy to tailor your comments to a person's "level of enlightment" with respect to what is on this particular site.

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The person may be "brand new" here but that says nothing about how new they are to discussing these issues. If we make the assumption that the person is intelligent enought to make an intelligent argument or present a point intelligently, instead of just VOICING A SENTIMENT and expecting the sentiment to carry their argument instead of their argument carrying their sentiment, then there is nothing to be "hospitable" about when they have launched themselves headlong into a debate/issue they feel their ready to discuss.


I am not at all saying that people should be required to refrain from challenging opinions they disagree with in the name of being hospitable. Faheem's links, Isome's remarks (see above), and your "This stuff is really boring" are what I am referring to when I talk about the Power of the Mouse and being hospitable. If it's so boring and you're oh so very tired of having the discussion, then don't read it. Engage yourself in something you find more interesting/relevant/enlightened/productive. I don't happen to find the subject matter boring, so why on Earth should I refrain from entering the thread where it is being discussed?!? That doesn't make a lick of sense.

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This "civility" and hospitality BS goes way too far and is way too unchecked and unexamined. Ain't no freebies here, Frenchy. New BS doesn't get any more tokens than Old BS.


I'm not talking about freebies or letting new people say anything without having their arguments challenged. I think you've misunderstood my remarks and what specifically I was responding to.

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If BlackNite was looking for "hospitality", etc. then, especially if you're going to be objective and not patronizing in your own assumptions about how "new" B-Nite is (with all the serial lurkers and name-changers, etc.)... then B-Nite, himself, would present himself in a different fashion.


hos·pi·tal·i·ty
n. pl. hos·pi·tal·i·ties
Cordial and generous reception of or disposition toward guests.

How the "guest" presents himself has nothing to do with the concept of hospitality.

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I can reference a thread when one of my thesis/theories in a thread I made when I was "brand new" here were EBONY ROSE was hardly "hospitable" because something I said struck a nerve with here.


I apologize on behalf of EbonyRose. That was rude and unnecessary.

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I didn't have nor did I want someone saying, in essence, "Take It Easy On Him. He's New."


Whether you wanted it or not is quite irrelevant. It is appropriate. It is the correct and necessary thing to do if you are part of an open community.

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Him being "new" does not and should not change the nature of how we exchange on this board.


But it has, for the worse. We don't run into Kevin41/Michael's merry-go-round arguments and posts links to all the times that has been rehashed before. I use them as an example, but certainly they aren't the only ones (I have my own back and forth with shemika).

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Do you actually know how "new" he is?
Do you know whether he's been here before, lurking or otherwise?


Clearly, I do not and neither do you. I do not have 24 hour surveillance or ISP tracking on the man. He is a new poster, a new contributor to the community/conversation, though. That is indisputable.

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Frenchy, just announce your agreement with his SENTIMENT and be done with it.


I'll announce my agreement or disagreement with whatever the hell I want to, thank you very much. Obviously, you and anyone else are free to do the same. kiss

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We will not forsake all our knowledge and experience for the sake of what you would like to believe and your attempt to defend B-Nite because you agree with his sentiment (to the exclusion of his overall argument).


Please save all your tradegdy airs. T'aint what I'm saying at all. Hospitality and knowledge are not mutually exclusive. Neither needs to be "foresaken."

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In this "civility" and "hospitality"/diplomatic mode so many see as a virtue a mere sentiment, a person's premise, is elevated above their actual argument, instead of the other way around.


That is not what I am talking about when I speak of hospitality/diplomacy/civility.
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Originally posted by Constructive Feedback:
Blacknite;

More disturbing than the use of this IGNORANT and hateful word as a term of endearment AND as it is pressed on millions of CDs each year and sold to White folks for them to call us a "Nig ger" as they sing along (GoldDIGGER)

is the knowledge that the Black community has no means to STOP THE USE OF THIS WORD BY OUR OWN PEOPLE if in fact we had the will to do so.

You see when it comes to White Racism there are structures and institutions that can be made use of to purge offensive behavior from our midst. We could pass a Civil Rights Law that laid out the guidelines of appropriate behavior and add LEGAL CONSEQUENCES to be used against those who violated these laws.

There are picket lines to be formed around the front entrance of any company or government entity who dared to offend us in any way.

There is the boycott that can be used to "hit people in the wallet".

But what about this IGNORANT WORD that is used so frequently in a body of brothers who are just hanging out as I witnessed about 6 weeks ago?

It is not going to be the typical defensive approach that purges this IGNORANT word out of our common day lexicon.

It will take CULTURAL CONSCIOUSNESS to show the masses of Black people who make use of this word as a term of endearment that they are using a word that caused great injury to their ancestors.

The Russell Simmons and Ludacris' of the world who CLAIM to be "redefining this word" as they use it are also PROFITING from their use of this word. This tale of their agenda is nothing more than a preplaced notion that is hoped to distract criticism when their new song is released. To allow such a positioned person to tell the Black community why they are using this word is like allowing the FOX to install a PA system into the Hen House and let them choose the selection of songs to be broadcasted to the hens.

Where is the Black community's imposition upon these producers of messages to us for them to PULL UP?
VERY good post.
Frenchy,

You need to make up your mind as to whether B-Nite's comments reflected on his level of enlightment or not. Since you tried to say it didn't then don't come with the idea that people with ostensibly more knowledge or whatever should have some "courtesy" for him. You've tried to advocate for him not being viewed so "pompously".

Make up your mind. Is he a New Jack, in terms of his level, or not?

Me, I don't make those assumptions.
If someone's mouth is big enough to talk so boldly then they are fair game to be regarded in that fashion. But then again you know what school I come from. lol Big Grin
B-Nite's comments reflect his personal opinion on the topic. I make no assumptions about where he is on the path ro enlightenment (as other did and that is what I took objection to in my initial remarks... that is what I found "pompous").

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Since you tried to say it didn't then don't come with the idea that people with ostensibly more knowledge or whatever should have some "courtesy" for him.


You should have courtesy for him as a newcomer, NOT because he is somehow "less enlightened." I've not said anything different at any point in this thread. Quote me or stroke me, baby! Razz

Respond to his arguments to your heart's desire. But all that ish about how the subject matter is tiresome is unnecessary.

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If someone's mouth is big enough to talk so boldly then they are fair game to be regarded in that fashion. But then again you know what school I come from. lol Big Grin

Yeah, I know. You're here to chew gum and kick ass... and you're fresh out of gum. Wink laugh
And I have been there and done that with the whole "learning about my self as a black person" thing back in the late 80's/early 90's so Nmaginate I'll allow you time to catch up. I bet you still wear kente and African garb to show your "blackness" too. I imagine you are also on route to change your "slave name" for a supposed African name to feel closer to the motherland.

Good luck with that, "brutha". tfro
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Nmaginate I'll allow you time to catch up. I bet you still wear kente and African garb to show your "blackness" too. I imagine you are also on route to change your "slave name" for a supposed African name to feel closer to the motherland.
Swung on, and missed...
I should've known this would be the best that you could do. Or actually, I could tell. I did tell. That's why I responded to your REMEDIAL rhetoric in the fashion I did.

It's real simple B-Nite. State your point and... (and apparently this is a BIG and difficult *AND* for you)... AND support/substantiate your point.

Again, I draw your attention to your title-post where you claimed the N-Word was the "key" or main or root problem/issue. You then went about expressing your mere EMOTIONAL sentiments regarding it without any logical support for your thesis.

Brother... My "AFRICAN GARB" is dressed in something more substantive than that when presenting/discussing a topic. Damn, at the very least show you have something in between your ears that separates you from the WELL DOCUMENTED and programmed thoughts of the typical "newcomer".

But if you actually feel like you made a compelling point while abandoning your own thesis... Go ahead and move on. Move On AWAY From LOGIC and thinking mere emotion will carry your lame $$$...

Sorry, Frenchy Big Grin

Anyway... As you see, you're still stuck on me "attacking" you when you thought you were big and bad (or something) saying some BS like this:
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I see there have been people lurking in this thread. Post your opinions...
Now, like a little $$$$$ you're crying because I posted my opinion? Get a grip!

Since you wanted to present this topic on a discussion forum (apparently not wanting any discussion, just acceptance or validation for your SENTIMENTS) *AND* tried to flex, don't get all girlie when I flex too -- when I flex, state my opinion and show you how empty and off-your-own-point yours is/was.

As stated: The reason we still struggle today is not something that can be explained away so easily as you have done with your statement. The reason we still strugle today is a very complex subject that encompasses many reasons.

Now let's see if you can return to the subject and defend/support your thesis, as stated:
This word is the key reason why still struggle in 2005

As you know... We're still waiting for the... "And Here's Why."
That "WHY" that is actually connected and correlated to WHY WE STILL STRUGGLE in 2005.
Maybe I am behind the times because my 70's-ish BLACK POWER, "Dashiki wearing" mindset never heard and just can't grasp how "N*gger" is the "key" to why Blacks are disproportionately unemployed, unemployable, incarcerated, under/miseducated, etc., etc., etc.

Please tell me... Please show us how "N*gger" is responsible for all that. How "N*gger" is the key, main and root cause of all of that. You know, us using the term.

(Those of us that do, and I generally don't... You know, the wrong crowd, wrong audience.)

By show of cyber-hands... How many AA.org members say, "N*gger, N*gga, N*ggah" in their normal or any significant portions of their conversations?
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Originally posted by Nmaginate:
"Mix Up", swirl up, hell... throw up some support for your thesis. That's what I'm "trolling" on.

CHECK THAT... then get back to me.

Cryin' $$$...
If you can't get it from what was posted in the first post, you are a waste of my time. I believe you know what I'm talking about as two people have already explained it but if you want to play tough guy go right ahead.
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If you can't get it from what was posted in the first post, you are a waste of my time.
First, it was you who wanted to play "tough". Again, don't trip when you get obliged.

As for people who EXPLAINED IT... TO YOU:
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  • I can't say that I agree that all of our problems come from that vile word...

  • The reason we still struggle today is not something that can be explained away so easily...

  • You may have a point, but it not simply the word.

  • More disturbing than the use of this IGNORANT and hateful word... is the knowledge that the Black community has no means to STOP THE USE OF THIS WORD BY OUR OWN PEOPLE if in fact we had the will to do so.
  • Which one of those TWO or so people "explained" anything to me without at the same time explaining something that you seem pretty reluctant to assimilate?

    And.. oh... I'm supposed to just "know what you are talking about". How about you actually say, with integrity and support, what you are talking about? There's a thought. Either that or, as I've challenged... Support Your Thesis.

    Is The N-Word "The Key" or not?
    Hmmm.... Can't Find A One of anybody here, even those two imagined friends of yours who agree with that. Oh but I'm behind the times... How dare me to ever expect your rhetoric to ever come close to making a sound argument...

    But you could actually take that poll.
    How many people here use the N-Word?
    I mean, you are preaching to us for a reason, right? You're trying to impress your point, hoping that we "know what you are saying," though you're having a little trouble actually saying it (we all do, to some extent, so that's no biggie, in and of itself). You are doing that, impressing that on us for a reason aren't you?
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    More disturbing than the use of this IGNORANT and hateful word... is the knowledge that the Black community has no means to STOP THE USE OF THIS WORD BY OUR OWN PEOPLE if in fact we had the will to do so.
    Well, what do you know: Here's an interesting question/perspective.

    This may actually save this thread or make it more than just the authors chance to prance his sentiment.

    Anyway... Is that true?
    Can we or can we not control, stop and eliminate the N-Word from "our" (using the term loosely) dealings with each other?

    Whether we can or not...
    How exactly do we control or stop it?

    As I've assumed (I think pretty safely) most if not all of the AA.org members refrain from using the word. Most if not all have never defended it as a "positive" or possibly "positive" word or what-have-you. I could be wrong but I doubt it.

    So, considering that. B-NITE? The value and purpose of these comments were?

  • No matter how you think you are changing the definition of this word, you are not.

  • Why would we even want to try?

    Who were you talking to? Who do you think needed to here that? You were preaching to whom? WHY? What made you think that sermon was warranted here?
  • Really what's wrong with the word NIGGAH!?

    Most of us want to pack the word away and cherish is for sentimental value. Some of us may feel like it is a slap in the face of our ancestors that we still use that word today.

    What's frustrating to me is the onus we put on a WORD. A word with no significance, other than the fact that it USED to be a derogatory word. WHY do we feel the need to place the word NIGGAH on the shelf as some sort of ACCOMPLHISMENT over the past wrongs that our PARENTS/GRANDPARENTS have endured?

    I mean, o.k. so they can't call us NIGGAHS. SO WHAT. 'We don't have REPARATIONS, but at least THEY/WE can't call us NIGGAHS'... PUUHHHLEEAASSEE!

    We need to take the ONUS off of the Word Niggah, and place it were it belongs, were it belongs, were it belongs. Which is anywhere OTHER than on a WORD.

    Does your lifestyle change when you stop using the word?

    Are we less oppressed? Are our lives better off?

    What if we use the word? Are we perceived as less intelligent, less conscious?

    If everyone stopped using the word NIGGAH right now, what would it accomplish???????
    quote:
    Really what's wrong with the word NIGGAH!?


    It's NIGGER dressed up in a pretty dress with a bow. No better than beeyotch v. bitch or any other fancified version of bullshit.

    You cannot both call yourself a nigger and love yourself. Not happening. That lack of love for self will manifest itself in other ways besides your language. Coming to think of yourself (and your people) with a greater amount of respect and love will also manifest itself in other ways. A word is never "just a word." Are we better off? Will our lives improve? YES! tfro

    And it didn't just "used to be" derogatory. Would you refer to your grandmother as "niggah?" Probably not unless you wanted her to make your teeth rattle.

    Can we stop everyone everywhere from using the word? Clearly, no. But is that really the prerequisite before we seek any sort of improvement in the Black community?? "Can we get everyone to do this? No? Then forget it." nono
    Improvement in the black community? Is it a measurable impact?

    'Just in today, it's reported that no one in the black community uses the word niggah'

    ok...

    Now what?


    I'm sorry but I don't see significance?

    I'm one of those that use the word as a term of endearment. Call me what you want, but MY NIGGAHS IZ MY NIGGAHS.

    Maybe we need a new WORD, hmm.. Nah, I like the one we've got... it drives the point home.

    A niggah might not be a MODEL citizen
    But he is a MODEL of HIS community and friends.
    Sad... maybe to outsiders. Maybe to the highly intellectual anti-cultural high-browed.

    Me... I love consciousness and everything conscious. IMO the word Niggah does NOT detract from your consciousness. It's a conversation with community and culture. It's acknowledging the exculsive interconnectedness of every individual of African decent. We have mastered the trends of this white land, we have changed the culture and created a popularity for our own. We have redefined the word NIGGAH and put a Communal Patent on it. What's wrong with that?

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