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The Myth Of The Absent Black Fathers

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Survey show that Black fathers who lived with their kids are more involved with them than any other group

AFRICANGLOBE – The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently published new data on the role that American fathers play in parenting their children. Most of the CDC’s previous research on family life — which the agency explores as an important contributor to public health and child development — has focused exclusively on mothers. But the latest data finds that the stereotypical gender imbalance in this area doesn’t hold true, and dads are just as hands-on when it comes to raising their kids.

That includes Black American fathers.

In fact, the results “defy stereotypes about Black fatherhood” because the CDC found that Black fathers are moreinvolved with their kids on a daily basis than dads from other racial groups:

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In some cases, the differences between Black fathers and White or Latino fathers weren’t statistically significant. Nonetheless, the fact that there’s no dramatic drop-off for African-American fathers is still a surprising revelation for some people.

Considering the fact that “Black fatherhood” is a phrase that is almost always accompanied by the word “crisis” in U.S. society, it’s understandable that the CDC’s results seem innovative. But in reality, the new data builds upon years of research that’s concluded that hands-on parenting is similar among dads of all races. There’s plenty of scientific evidence to bust this racially-biased myth.

The Pew Research Center, which has tracked this data for years, consistently finds no big differences between White and Black fathers. Gretchen Livingston, one of the senior researchers studying family life at Pew, wasn’t at all surprised by the new CDC data. “Blacks look a lot like everyone else,” she pointed out.

Although Black fathers are more likely to live separately from their children — the statistic that’s usually trotted out to prove the parenting “crisis” — many of them remain just as involved in their kids’ lives. Pew estimates that 67 percent of Black dads who don’t live with their kids see them at least once a month, compared to 59 percent of White dads and just 32 percent of Hispanic dads.

And there’s compelling evidence that number of Black fathers living apart from their kids stems from structural systems of inequality and poverty, not the unfounded assumption that Black American men somehow place less value on parenting. Equal numbers of Black fathers and White dads tend to agree that it’s important to be a father who provides emotional support, discipline, and moral guidance. There’s one area of divergence in the way the two groups approach their parental responsibilities: Black dads are even more likely to think it’s important to financially provide for their children.

Dr. Roberta L. Coles, a sociology professor at Marquette University, has also researched Black fathers for nearly a decade. Her most well-known work includes The Best Kept Secret: Single Black Fathers photo and The Myth of the Missing Black Father: The Persistence of Black Fatherhood in America. photo. Like Pew, Coles has also found that even though Black dads may be less likely to marry their kids’ mothers, they typically remain involved in raising their children.

In an interview this week, Coles explained that she’s invested in continuing to challenge the prevailing stereotypes in this area. “It’s important to get it out there that that’s not the whole picture,” Coles noted. “People need to know there are men out there trying to do their best.”

That’s the same reason that Kenrya Rankin Naasel recently published Bet On Blacka collection of essays in which Black American women share their stories of being raised by great fathers. “For years, we’ve all been bombarded with statistics that scream our men are not up to the important task of fathering,” she explained in a recent interview about her project. “Ultimately, I hope that Bet On Black challenges the rhetoric about our families and changes the conversation to one that celebrates rather than denigrates.”

Despite the concrete evidence to dispel the prevailing assumptions about Black fathers, the conversation is still dominated by headlines like “What’s the Problem with Black Fathers?” and “The Myth of the Missing Black Father” President Obama has drawn some criticism for repeatedly delivering speeches about the importance of fatherhood to non-White mainly Black audiences. And this past fall, when Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson’s two-year-old son tragically passed away, the White media wasted no time falling back on all the stereotypes about irresponsible Black fathers.

The resistance to the research in the field may speak to the fact that racially-motivated stereotypes are particularly hard to break out of. For instance, despite the wealth of evidence disproving Americans’ assumptions about welfare recipients, the deeply-ingrained myth of the “welfare queen” remains.

 

By: Tara Culp-Ressler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"I'm just trying to make a way out of no way, for my people" -Modejeska Monteith Simpkins

 

AFRICAN AMERICA IS AT WAR

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICA

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON AFRICAN AMERICANS

THERE IS A RACE WAR ON BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

AMERICA'S RACISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICAN POLICE FORCES TO WAGE A RACE WAR AGAINST BLACK PEOPLE IN AMERICA

THE BLACK RACE IS AT WAR

FIRST WORLD WAR:  THE APPROXIMATELY 6,000 YEAR WORLD WAR ON AFRICA AND THE BLACK RACE

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  This is good news!  And it always touches my heart when I see a black man with his child and behaving like a parent. I try to reward that with compliments or whatever I  have when I see it.  There have been several times when I am driving down the street and I see a young man walking with his kid and if I could, I would stop em.  Most times the men think I'm crazy until I pull out my bag of tricks and give the child something to play with.  [as a teacher] I always keep those type of things in my car or purse-just in case there is a crying child in a grocery store or wherever and the parent is having a hard time.  But here lately I stopped doing that as much...cuz some black people make me sooooooooo mad in how they treat their children-they are NOT raising them,  So I don't reward bad behavior. And recently I've seen more bad behavior from young parents than good behavior.  Nevertheless, I just love hearing this.  And is testimony that you cannot BELIEVE everything you see or hear from the media regarding our black men.  All I have left to say is....Hal. La. Lu. Yer.    But    

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The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth. 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth. 

 

Oh, stop hating; and stop assuming that because a man is not married to his child's mother or is not longer living in the same home with his ex-wife and his kids, he has nothing to do with his own children.

 

The truth is, the children of White ex-wives fair no better than children of Black single mothers where father involvement is concerned, and that is a fact and a truth that America tries to keep hidden and constantly lie or lie by omission about.

 

First they tried to spread the lie that children of Black single mothers didn't know their fathers, and since that has been debunked, then they started trying to spread the propaganda that Black fathers don't spend time with their child(ren).  

 

African American fathers are no different than any other race fathers in America, the situation and/or relationship they have with their child(ren) is all over the spectrum from heavily involved whether married to the mother or not or living in the same household not, to no involvement whatsoever, whether married to the mother or not or living the same household or not.

 

It really all boils down to the type man the child(ren)'s father is, his character, his integrity, and whether he chooses to not put himself before his own child(ren); [regardless of race, class, or circumstance].  

Last edited by sunnubian
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth. 

 

Oh, stop hating; and stop assuming that because a man is not married to his child's mother or is not longer living in the same home with his ex-wife and his kids, he has nothing to do with with own children.

 

The truth is, the children of White ex-wives fair no better than children of Black single mothers where father involvement is concerned, and that is a fact and a truth that America tries to keep hidden and constantly lie or lie by omission about.

 

First they tried to spread the lie that children of Black single mothers didn't know their fathers, and since that has been debunked, then they started trying to spread the propaganda that Black fathers don't spend time with their child(ren).  

 

African American fathers are no different than any other race fathers in America, the situation and/or relationship they have with their child(ren) is all over the spectrum from heavily involved whether married to the mother or not or living in the same household not, to no involvement whatsoever, whether married to the mother or not or living the same household or not.

 

It really all boils down to the type man the child(ren)'s father is, his character, his integrity, and whether he chooses to not put himself before his own child(ren); [regardless of race, class, or circumstance].  

It's not hating to state facts. You should never fear the truth. Countless studies show a one parent home is perilous to a child's well being. Here's one: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr074.pdf

 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth. 

 

Oh, stop hating; and stop assuming that because a man is not married to his child's mother or is not longer living in the same home with his ex-wife and his kids, he has nothing to do with with own children.

 

The truth is, the children of White ex-wives fair no better than children of Black single mothers where father involvement is concerned, and that is a fact and a truth that America tries to keep hidden and constantly lie or lie by omission about.

 

First they tried to spread the lie that children of Black single mothers didn't know their fathers, and since that has been debunked, then they started trying to spread the propaganda that Black fathers don't spend time with their child(ren).  

 

African American fathers are no different than any other race fathers in America, the situation and/or relationship they have with their child(ren) is all over the spectrum from heavily involved whether married to the mother or not or living in the same household not, to no involvement whatsoever, whether married to the mother or not or living the same household or not.

 

It really all boils down to the type man the child(ren)'s father is, his character, his integrity, and whether he chooses to not put himself before his own child(ren); [regardless of race, class, or circumstance].  

It's not hating to state facts. You should never fear the truth. Countless studies show a one parent home is perilous to a child's well being. Here's one: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr074.pdf

 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

Its Xeon again, please go away. And go to hell. BLOCKED AGAIN!

Last edited by Momentum
Originally Posted by Momentum:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth. 

 

Oh, stop hating; and stop assuming that because a man is not married to his child's mother or is not longer living in the same home with his ex-wife and his kids, he has nothing to do with with own children.

 

The truth is, the children of White ex-wives fair no better than children of Black single mothers where father involvement is concerned, and that is a fact and a truth that America tries to keep hidden and constantly lie or lie by omission about.

 

First they tried to spread the lie that children of Black single mothers didn't know their fathers, and since that has been debunked, then they started trying to spread the propaganda that Black fathers don't spend time with their child(ren).  

 

African American fathers are no different than any other race fathers in America, the situation and/or relationship they have with their child(ren) is all over the spectrum from heavily involved whether married to the mother or not or living in the same household not, to no involvement whatsoever, whether married to the mother or not or living the same household or not.

 

It really all boils down to the type man the child(ren)'s father is, his character, his integrity, and whether he chooses to not put himself before his own child(ren); [regardless of race, class, or circumstance].  

It's not hating to state facts. You should never fear the truth. Countless studies show a one parent home is perilous to a child's well being. Here's one: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr074.pdf

 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

Its Xeon again, please go away. And go to hell. BLOCKED AGAIN!

Wow. Such anger. Was your father in the home?

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by Momentum:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth. 

 

Oh, stop hating; and stop assuming that because a man is not married to his child's mother or is not longer living in the same home with his ex-wife and his kids, he has nothing to do with with own children.

 

The truth is, the children of White ex-wives fair no better than children of Black single mothers where father involvement is concerned, and that is a fact and a truth that America tries to keep hidden and constantly lie or lie by omission about.

 

First they tried to spread the lie that children of Black single mothers didn't know their fathers, and since that has been debunked, then they started trying to spread the propaganda that Black fathers don't spend time with their child(ren).  

 

African American fathers are no different than any other race fathers in America, the situation and/or relationship they have with their child(ren) is all over the spectrum from heavily involved whether married to the mother or not or living in the same household not, to no involvement whatsoever, whether married to the mother or not or living the same household or not.

 

It really all boils down to the type man the child(ren)'s father is, his character, his integrity, and whether he chooses to not put himself before his own child(ren); [regardless of race, class, or circumstance].  

It's not hating to state facts. You should never fear the truth. Countless studies show a one parent home is perilous to a child's well being. Here's one: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr074.pdf

 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

Its Xeon again, please go away. And go to hell. BLOCKED AGAIN!

Wow. Such anger. Was your father in the home?

And Sunnubian, who is the "they" you keep referring to? 

 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

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Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Last edited by Thetaxman
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Don't hate the messenger. 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Brat in my own family? Let me guess, you think I'm some sort of silver spoon trust fund baby. Guess again. I grew up dirt poor and so did my wife. Neither of our families ever took a dime of welfare. My wife worked hard while I went to school and then I worked while she went to school. I'm now a CPA and she's a pharmacist. I have a strong, close knit family and beautiful daughter. Here's a picture. I know it must be nice for you to hang onto the notion that I'm some kind of yuppie that never worked a day in my life. But no, I've worked from the ground up and built a great life for myself. Now my daughter, she will be spoiled. 

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Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Brat in my own family? Let me guess, you think I'm some sort of silver spoon trust fund baby. Guess again. I grew up dirt poor and so did my wife. Neither of our families ever took a dime of welfare. My wife worked hard while I went to school and then I worked while she went to school. I'm now a CPA and she's a pharmacist. I have a strong, close knit family and beautiful daughter. Here's a picture. I know it must be nice for you to hang onto the notion that I'm some kind of yuppie that never worked a day in my life. But no, I've worked from the ground up and built a great life for myself. Now my daughter, she will be spoiled. 

I'm off to enjoy my weekend now. 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by DennisKalita:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
 

If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Brat in my own family? Let me guess, you think I'm some sort of silver spoon trust fund baby. Guess again. I grew up dirt poor and so did my wife. Neither of our families ever took a dime of welfare. My wife worked hard while I went to school and then I worked while she went to school. I'm now a CPA and she's a pharmacist. I have a strong, close knit family and beautiful daughter. Here's a picture. I know it must be nice for you to hang onto the notion that I'm some kind of yuppie that never worked a day in my life. But no, I've worked from the ground up and built a great life for myself. Now my daughter, she will be spoiled. 

I'm off to enjoy my weekend now. 

What an idiot!!!!! You are obviously unhappy, little Birdshit, corrections officer, CPA, phony whatever, everyone here plus the moderator does not want you here. Everyone, no exceptions, agrees that you are a brat with an obvious racist attitude.  Stop it, GTFOH, Birdshit! 

When one joins this site, doesn't MBM know who you are?  It's been a long time for me, but it seems he knows about you before you join. If Xeon was banned last nite, how the hell can he come back today? Why would he even want to come back today? He's not going to be liked any more as thetaxman than he was Xeon. Something's wrong with this dude. He called me a Nazi. Hitler's rolling in his grave.

I just realized the commentors here think I'm some banned poster named Xenon. I assure you I'm not. Maybe this is why you attacked me instead of actually taking into account what I'm saying. I've said nothing that deserves banning. And I'm not a troll. I came across this article that intrigued me, I researched and came to the conclusion that it's conclusions are false, and when presenting my findings in a thoughtful way I was attacked. It's clear who should be banned here.
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

       
The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth.


STFU dumb ass cracker! You provided no proof, no links, no articles, no stats to back up your assertion. Just strutted in here with some unsubstantiated cracker bias. Cracker utterances are not entitled to credibility.

Post a link to some stats that back up your stupid assertion that black men are fathering 10 kids on AVERAGE.

Post some other studies setting an entirely new precedent by asking minor children about how much time they spend with their dads. They don't even ask little cracker children of oft divorced cracker daddies these type of questions. If you can't come up with a study where white cracker daddies have their parenting ability based on questions asked of little white kids with no daddy in the house you have no business trying to invalidate this study based on such trumped up nonscientific nonsense.

Post some links to studies indicating cracker daddies-who marry, sire kids with and divorce a series of cracker broads- are spending anymore time with their little  psychologically-damaged (cause daddy left),wrist-cutting "to feel the pain", school-shooting white kids- than black men do.

Taxman, don't bring your poorly educated cracker ass back in here until you have a better grasp of statistics, research studies, and the scientific method.
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Wow, such racism and hatred. On most sites you'd be banned for that kind of language.

I never said black men were fathering 10 children on average. I said that if you actually read the CDC report in the original post, that it states under limitations of the study, that no questions were asked to determine if the fathering applied to all of the respondent's children. Therefore the respondent COULD have 10 children, do some activity with one of them during a 4 week time frame, and be deemed a good father. That is fact 1. You can read it yourself.

Next, look at the last census report. Per 1000 never-married black males, 562 have children. The same report shows that per never-married white males, 112 have children. That is fact 2.

Put fact 1 together with fact 2, and you'll realize that a never-married black male has a much higher chance of answering favorably in this CDC questionaire. Therefore it is likely to be biased.

Here's the link to the CDC report: https://www.google.com/url?sa=...MCsGRFvgDI9Fgik74YGw

Here's the link to the census report: https://www.google.com/url?sa=...NV_eKrW7eneCAku-LPfQ

Fact3: The CDC also did a study showing that not having 2 parents in the home is directly related to the quality of the child's life. I posted that link earlier. If you look at the report in Fact 1. You'll see that black males are much less likely to live in the same as their children as other races in America.

None of what I've stated here is debateable. But go ahead and keep calling me cracker if you want too. I dont find it insulting in the least when coming from someone ignorant enough to use it the way you do.
That's what crackers do. Making things up as they go along and spreading propaganda. Since you are not qualified to conduct a scientific study or even a meta-analysis of already published studies and since you couldn't produce a study of cracker children rating their cracker daddy and his parenting ability you are engaged in what crackers do best; propaganda and myth building.

Cracker blathering and especially unsubstantiated cracker blathering are meaningless here. Don't you have some biological siblings to go fondle, cracker?
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I gave you all the information needed to occluded that the occlusion derived from this study are false. But here's one more, find in that CDC report where it even states that any of the responses were fact-checked.

Not only have you used insults, but you haven't given even a shred of evidence to challenge my assertions. Is this really how you represent yourself in everyday life?
Originally Posted by NSpirit:
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:

       
The CDC study this article is based on is a complete farce. It only accounts for the father's responses instead of the child's responses. Never-married black males "father" children at a rate of 5 to 1 of whites (Per last US Census). This study asked black fathers questions like: "Have you eaten with your child in the last 4 weeks? Have you read to your child in the last 4 weeks? etc." All the father had to do was to eat with one of his children or read to one of his children in that time span to offer a favorable response. Therefore, never-married black males were 5X as likely to give a favorable response. Also, the 4 week time frame is kind of loose. You could theoretically be in jail and have one meal with one of your 10 children in a 4 week period and be counted a good father in this study. It's a joke. Look at the statistics of the perils children face by not having 2 parents in the home, then you'll see the bleak truth of black fathers in our society. Your not going to find real change in the black community unless you start acknowledging the truth.


STFU dumb ass cracker! You provided no proof, no links, no articles, no stats to back up your assertion. Just strutted in here with some unsubstantiated cracker bias. Cracker utterances are not entitled to credibility.

Post a link to some stats that back up your stupid assertion that black men are fathering 10 kids on AVERAGE.

Post some other studies setting an entirely new precedent by asking minor children about how much time they spend with their dads. They don't even ask little cracker children of oft divorced cracker daddies these type of questions. If you can't come up with a study where white cracker daddies have their parenting ability based on questions asked of little white kids with no daddy in the house you have no business trying to invalidate this study based on such trumped up nonscientific nonsense.

Post some links to studies indicating cracker daddies-who marry, sire kids with and divorce a series of cracker broads- are spending anymore time with their little  psychologically-damaged (cause daddy left),wrist-cutting "to feel the pain", school-shooting white kids- than black men do.

Taxman, don't bring your poorly educated cracker ass back in here until you have a better grasp of statistics, research studies, and the scientific method.

Sista Sunnubian wrote:  

Oh, stop hating; and stop assuming that because a man is not married to his child's mother or is not longer living in the same home with his ex-wife and his kids, he has nothing to do with with own children.

 

The truth is, the children of White ex-wives fair no better than children of Black single mothers where father involvement is concerned, and that is a fact and a truth that America tries to keep hidden and constantly lie or lie by omission about.

 

First they tried to spread the lie that children of Black single mothers didn't know their fathers, and since that has been debunked, then they started trying to spread the propaganda that Black fathers don't spend time with their child(ren).  

 

African American fathers are no different than any other race fathers in America, the situation and/or relationship they have with their child(ren) is all over the spectrum from heavily involved whether married to the mother or not or living in the same household not, to no involvement whatsoever, whether married to the mother or not or living the same household or not.

 

It really all boils down to the type man the child(ren)'s father is, his character, his integrity, and whether he chooses to not put himself before his own child(ren); [regardless of race, class, or circumstance].  

 

  Tiptoeing in this for a sec.  I agree.  White absentee fathers have the SAME problem and rates are just as high.  But I just wanna add for clarity that these study are designed to promote certain beliefs.  However, we must not forget that massa always had a hand in the role black fathers played in their children lives starting from slavery..hence the word "buck."   And then through the years have made it difficult for black males to be in their childrens' lives by way of lynchings, murders, subjugation, etc during Jim Crow all the way and beyond the civil rights movement, gang and police brutality.

 

 So from that viewpoint, since black males are a part of historic black genocide [including incarceration] for the sole purpose of controlling the population and the success of black culture, it stands to reason WHY white propaganda flies now regarding black fatherhood-it is a ploy to continue to make black men seem unhuman or for a better word subhuman i.e. an animal with the inability to have parental instincts to care for their off spring/young.  And besides alladat, who tells the truth in these surveys any way?  Can't you really depend on the credibility of any reports especially if it is stained with racism and bias?   And some reports are just that.  

 

And I'm not saying this one is but for me it is just good news to hear that black fathers are actively involved and an essential  part of their children's lives....especially when it has been the sole goal of  massa to KEEP THEM APART by any means necessary....making it  another unhealed social wound black people have to deal with....and for massa all he WOULD need after that is......salt.   So really you have to be open to what sounds realistic in order to  pick and choose what reports you gonna believe especially when it comes to black people.  Plus  white folks wanna continue to find ways to minimize who we are...because of our brilliance and high intellect in nation and society building. Tip toeing out.  But! 

 

 

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This CDC report I'm referencing is the exact same report countless liberal media outlets are reciting to claim that there is a higher presence of black fathers in the home. It's also the subject article of this thread. I'm just pointing out how flawed that report is. So which is correct, are black fathers in the home or are they never around because they're constantly bring lynched and subjugated? ( I can't find one report of a white on black lynching in the last 10 years. And please don't mention police brutality. Almost every instance involves a black cop as well. The female seargent overseeing Eric Garner's arrest was black and should be in jail right now. Black on white lynchings are a dime a dozen lately however. This past weekend 40 blacks jumped one white man in Cincinnati.)
You trying to blame massa for black fathers not being in the home is a cop out. Free will is very real and if someone wants to take care of their children they will. And exactly who is massa? Every single person I know, wishes black males were in the home taking care of theirs. There is no "they", there is no "massa", there is no "the man", there is no excuse.
Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
This CDC report I'm referencing is the exact same report countless liberal media outlets are reciting to claim that there is a higher presence of black fathers in the home. It's also the subject article of this thread. I'm just pointing out how flawed that report is. So which is correct, are black fathers in the home or are they never around because they're constantly bring lynched and subjugated? ( I can't find one report of a white on black lynching in the last 10 years. And please don't mention police brutality. Almost every instance involves a black cop as well. The female seargent overseeing Eric Garner's arrest was black and should be in jail right now. Black on white lynchings are a dime a dozen lately however. This past weekend 40 blacks jumped one white man in Cincinnati.)

FUK YOU go to hell SAMBO! MBM will you please REMOVE THIS ASSHOLE. He is only here to denegrate black people, he don't give a goddam about the plight of blacks, he fukkin enjoys what he is doing.

 

One day you gonna get what is coming to you PORCH MONKEY!

And what exactly have i done that makes you think I deserve something bad to happen to me? What I have had happen to me is success from working hard my entire life. I could have been out slinging rocks and knocking up women left and right. But no, I waited to have kids, and I went to school. I work 50 hour weeks and save money instead of buying lottery tickets. I'm not in the top 4%. That's what I deserve and that's what I got. Life is what you put into it.
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If you'd like to present actual facts to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at them. But so far, it just looks like you're speaking from emotion and not reality. 

 

I'm speaking from reality, and not from Racist Propaganda.  I'm speaking for what I see and witness with my own eyes, and I'm speaking from a background in Social Services, Legal Services, Family Services, and Reality, not fromracist propaganda soundbites, slanted "studies" and "surveys" and "statistics".

I just gave you a study from the CDC. The exact same government org that published the study this article uses to make the claim that black fathers spend more time nurturing their kids. It sounds to me that you think that any facts that don't agree with your narrow view of the world are "racist propaganda". Things won't change in the black community until you recognize that the problem is from within. You act like the lack of a father in the home has no affect on the black community. If you believe that then you're hopeless. 

 

HATERS, RACISTS, SELF-HATERS AND THOSE BRAINWASHED BY RACIST PROPAGANDA WILL BE BLOCKED.

Well it's a good thing I'm none of these. Please name one thing I've done that would indicate the contrary. This article references a government study and makes wildly incorrect conclusions from the results. A fact of the matter is single parent homes have adverse affects on children. Another fact about the matter is that the black community has the highest rate of one parent homes. Another fact is that the the black community is below the poverty line at non-proportional rates. Pointing this out is not racism or hatred. If you truly want to help the black community, you need to acknowledge this instead of pretending that the black community does not have an unproportional level of dysfunctional families. Until this is addressed, prosperity will be fleeting at best. 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Racism is the notion that one race is superior or inferior to another. I don't think that at all. I think blacks are equal in every way. Therefore I am not a racist. Nor am I going to stoop to insults (or font changes). You don't even know my race. However, I will agree with one thing you've said. I am Mr. Reasonable. I do use reason. Scummy racist humor? I don't think anything's funny about watching a large portion of society grow up in single parent home  (or with grandma.) , and not having one shred of hope at success. 

Tell me this. What do you think is going to happen to the black community as technology advances? Did you know Wal-Mart is ten years away from using robots to stock shelves. They won't need cashiers to check people out either. You'll just roll the buggy out the store and RFID scanners will detect what's in the buggy and bill your account. Robots will be flipping burgers and picking up trash also. Basically every job done by the poor and much of the middle class will eventually be automated. What's going to happen to the black community unless it makes real changes and develops the skills needed for success in a technological future? 

Stop it,  Birdshit!  MCB has banned you from this site. Everyone sees through your disgusting racism. Here you are playing the Mr. Reasonable game soon to be followed by your scummy racist humor. Aren’t you unhappy enough being a brat in your own family?  Stop jerking off and amusing yourself by being an ugly little  pest here!! Stop it!!

Brat in my own family? Let me guess, you think I'm some sort of silver spoon trust fund baby. Guess again. I grew up dirt poor and so did my wife. Neither of our families ever took a dime of welfare. My wife worked hard while I went to school and then I worked while she went to school. I'm now a CPA and she's a pharmacist. I have a strong, close knit family and beautiful daughter. Here's a picture. I know it must be nice for you to hang onto the notion that I'm some kind of yuppie that never worked a day in my life. But no, I've worked from the ground up and built a great life for myself. Now my daughter, she will be spoiled. 

I'm off to enjoy my weekend now. 

What an idiot!!!!! You are obviously unhappy, little Birdshit, corrections officer, CPA, phony whatever, everyone here plus the moderator does not want you here. Everyone, no exceptions, agrees that you are a brat with an obvious racist attitude.  Stop it, GTFOH, Birdshit! 

Bingo!!!1 Only an unhappy and miserable person would act like this!!! You hit the troll's nerve!!!  The troll defends how happy he is. This is one very unhappy dude. 

Some products of that cracker parenting they seem to think is so grand:

Charles Manson
Hitler
The Unibomber
Kurt Cobain (famous singer committed suicide)
Courtney Love (cobains drugged up wife)
Ted Bundy
John Wayne Gacy
Dylann Roof (Assassin and mass murderer in Charleston)
Adam Lanza (murdered little kids in school)
Jeffrey Dahmer (murdered and ate people)
Ronald Reagan
George Bush
Rick Scott (Florida's criminal governor)
Scott Walker (Wisconsin's stupid governor)
Eileen Wurnos (female serial killer)
Dennis Rader (BIT killer, married churchgoer)
Mark David Chapman (John Lennons killer)
James Holmes (batman/movie theater killer)
Eric Harris (Columbine school shooter)
Dylan Klebold (Columbine school shooter)
Luke Woodham (Pearl Mississippi school shooter)
Kip Kinkel (Springfield OR school shooter)
Roman Polanski (famous director/child rapist)
Anna Nicole Smith (drugged up plus size starlet)
Elvis Presley (drugged up child marrying musician)
Jerry Lee Lewis (boozed up child/cousin marrying musician)
Pat Boone (50's white crooner and stealer of Black music)
Strom Thurman(racist senator/father of secret black daughter)
George Wallace (segregation now/forever Alabama governor)
Mel Gibson(drunken racist religious director/actor)
Wall street executives (crashed the economy in 2007/2008)
2big 2fail banks (screwed economy/bailed out by taxpayers)
Jamie Dimon (Crooked JPMorgan Chase CEO)
John Walker Lynde (American Taliban)
John Hinkley (attempted to assassinate Reagan)
Arnold Schwarzenegger(actor/gov/philandering/son of nazi)
John Boehner (drunk/lying/republican/mother looks black)
Sean Hannity (hateful piece of shit FUX News racist)
Bill O'Reilly (hateful douchebag FUX News racist propagandist)
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Kids Born to Unwed Moms Hit Record High

 
single parents
 

A record number of children worldwide are being born to unmarried mothers as traditional marriage arrangements are being abandoned at a faster pace, according to a report released today by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"The surprising thing is that we've had this really big upswing in births to unmarried mothers in such a short period of time," said Stephanie Ventura, the author of the report commissioned by the CDC's National Center of Health Statistics.

In the U.S., nearly 40 percent of births were to unmarried women in 2007, compared with about 34 percent in 2002, according to data first released in March but now being compared with that of other countries.

 

The rate of babies born to unwed mothers has doubled since 1980.
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The report shows that teenagers accounted for only 23 percent of 2007's non-marital births, down from 50 percent in 1970, demonstrating that birth rates for unmarried women in their twenties and over have risen considerably over the period.

Worldwide, of the 14 developed countries studied, the highest unwed birth rates were among the Scandinavian nations.

In Iceland, for example, 66 percent of births were to unmarried women, as were 55 percent in Sweden, 54 percent in Norway and 46 percent inDenmark. The United States unwed rate of 40 percent fell in about the middle of this group of countries, about equal to that of the United Kingdom and the Netherlands.

Sociologists say that the rising rate of unwed mothers reflects a lackadaisical attitude toward the tradition of marriage in Europe and in the U.S. The report didn't look at cohabitation rates, so it's impossible to tell how many of these unwed mothers in 2007 were actually living with the fathers of their children.

"The Scandinavian countries have long had a tradition of living together outside of marriage," said Andrew Cherlin, a professor of public policy at Johns Hopkins University and the author of "The Marriage-Go-Round: The State of Marriage and the Family in America Today."

"In places like Sweden nearly all of the non-marital births occur to couples in long-term relationships that often last as long as if not longer than American marriages," said Cherlin.

"While in the U.S. marriage is still held up as an ideal, we are moving away from the institution of marriage as well," said Cherlin.

 

"For us in the U.S. it's important to be married, in Sweden it's important to have a stable relationship whether they're married or not," said Cheriln.

Unlike countries like the U.S. and those in Europe, Japan has one of the lowest rates of non-marital births, at just 2 percent.

A strong sense of tradition is responsible, according to Cherlin.

"In Japan nearly all children are born to married couples," he said. "The marriage system is still very strong in Japan and it's still socially unacceptable to have a child outside of marriage."

Robert Emery, the director for the Center for Children Families and Law at the University of Virginia, said that couples are also less inclined to tie the knot overseas than they are in the U.S. because there are fewer benefits for doing so.

"Overseas you don't need marriage as much because of the availability of social programs," said Emery. "Tax and insurance benefits aren't contingent on being married like they are in the U.S."

Though a majority of mothers who give birth in the United States are married, that doesn't mean they stay that way. The most recent data estimates that between 40 and 50 percent of American marriages end in divorce.

 

 

Originally Posted by Thetaxman:
Think that if it makes you happy. But I'd call that schadenfreude. Tell me though, what kind of person calls a stranger sambo, cracker, birdshit, etc. These seem to be the only unhappy people here.

Take your creepy sicko sad sack self the hell out of here!!! You're worse than a fly that eats shit!!!  Everyone sees through your pathetic troll agenda!!! 

Originally Posted by Momentum:

       

Kids Born to Unwed Moms Hit Record High

 
single parents
 

A record number of children worldwide are being born to unmarried mothers as traditional marriage arrangements are being abandoned at a faster pace, according to a report released today by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

"The surprising thing is that we've had this really big upswing in births to unmarried mothers in such a short period of time," said Stephanie Ventura, the author of the report commissioned by the CDC's National Center of Health Statistics.

In the U.S., nearly 40 percent of births were to unmarried women in 2007, compared with about 34 percent in 2002, according to data first released in March but now being compared with that of other countries.

 

The rate of babies born to unwed mothers has doubled since 1980.
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The report shows that teenagers accounted for only 23 percent of 2007's non-marital births, down from 50 percent in 1970, demonstrating that birth rates for unmarried women in their twenties and over have risen considerably over the period.

Worldwide, of the 14 developed countries studied, the highest unwed birth rates were among the Scandinavian nations.

In Iceland, for example, 66 percent of births were to unmarried women, as were 55 percent in Sweden, 54 percent in Norway and 46 percent inDenmark. The United States unwed rate of 40 percent fell in about the middle of this group of countries, about equal to that of the United Kingdom and the Netherlands.

Sociologists say that the rising rate of unwed mothers reflects a lackadaisical attitude toward the tradition of marriage in Europe and in the U.S. The report didn't look at cohabitation rates, so it's impossible to tell how many of these unwed mothers in 2007 were actually living with the fathers of their children.

"The Scandinavian countries have long had a tradition of living together outside of marriage," said Andrew Cherlin, a professor of public policy at Johns Hopkins University and the author of "The Marriage-Go-Round: The State of Marriage and the Family in America Today."

"In places like Sweden nearly all of the non-marital births occur to couples in long-term relationships that often last as long as if not longer than American marriages," said Cherlin.

"While in the U.S. marriage is still held up as an ideal, we are moving away from the institution of marriage as well," said Cherlin.

 

"For us in the U.S. it's important to be married, in Sweden it's important to have a stable relationship whether they're married or not," said Cheriln.

Unlike countries like the U.S. and those in Europe, Japan has one of the lowest rates of non-marital births, at just 2 percent.

A strong sense of tradition is responsible, according to Cherlin.

"In Japan nearly all children are born to married couples," he said. "The marriage system is still very strong in Japan and it's still socially unacceptable to have a child outside of marriage."

Robert Emery, the director for the Center for Children Families and Law at the University of Virginia, said that couples are also less inclined to tie the knot overseas than they are in the U.S. because there are fewer benefits for doing so.

"Overseas you don't need marriage as much because of the availability of social programs," said Emery. "Tax and insurance benefits aren't contingent on being married like they are in the U.S."

Though a majority of mothers who give birth in the United States are married, that doesn't mean they stay that way. The most recent data estimates that between 40 and 50 percent of American marriages end in divorce.

 

 


       


Wow. White euro women don't give a flip about having a baby daddy!

Men and women have sex. In the throes of sex, the sperm hits the egg when no one's planning on that to happen. When it's over both go on their merry way. The doctor says "you're pregnant." Women make the CHOICE whether to have the baby or abort the baby. Most unwed mothers made the choice to have the baby. Some MEN don't even know they conceived a baby and NEVER know. Some people choose NOT TO GET MARRIED.  It's a vow made, and most folks don't follow the vows any damn way.  The children are born. Some make it to productive adults, some are crazier than bat shit, some murder/are murdered, some spend their lives in jail. Every damn person on this planet came here via penis, sperm, egg, womb, vagina or were plucked out of the womb by doctors. It's THE ONLY WAY ANY OF US EXPERIENCE LIFE. All the blowhards need to get off their high horse. No one's better than any one else anywhere. You're here because your MOTHER PUSHED YOU HERE after carrying your dumb ass in her womb for nine months unless you were prematurely born. One thing's for damn sure, none of us were stillborn that's reading this or are breathing.

Meanwhile in the UK......

Most children will be born out of wedlock by 2016

 

The proportion of children born to unmarried mothers hit a record 47.5 per cent last year, according to the Office for National Statistics. The figure has risen from 25 per cent in 1988 and just 11 per cent in 1979.

 

If the trend continues at the current rate, the majority of children will be born to parents who are not married by 2016.

 

Conservative MPs and experts warned that the stark decline of marriage is likely to lead to more family breakdowns and damage children's prospects.

Tim Loughton, the former Children's minister, called on the government to introduce tax breaks for married couples to help stop the decline. He said: "If people are prepared to make a public declaration to each other in front of their friends and family they are more likely to stay together. Without marriage people drift in and out of relationships very easily.

 

"In families where parents break up children do less well at school, are more likely to suffer mental health problems and are more likely to have substance abuse problems.

 

"The government needs to send a very clear message that it supports marriage. That's why married tax breaks are so important."

 

David Cameron has pledged to introduce legislation to give couples tax breaks worth £150 by the end of the year.

 

The Prime Minister has been forced to put a timetable on government plans to recognise marriage in the tax system amid growing Conservative unrest over the failure to act.

 

Last year a total of 346,595 babies were born outside marriage and civil partnerships in England and Wales, equivalent to 47.5 per cent.

In 2002 the proportion was 40.6 per cent, and if the trend continues at the same rate more than half of children will be born out of wedlock by 2016.

According to the 2011 Census, the number of people who are married in England and Wales has fallen from just over half of the population a decade ago to 45 per cent.

 

The figures represented the first time since the Census was founded in 1801 that married couples have been in a minority.

More than 11 million people in England and Wales are single, reflecting the growing number who have chosen not to marry, while more than 5million unmarried people live with their partners.

 

A total of 150,000 declared themselves to be in civil partnerships.

The Centre for Social Justice, a think tank founded by the Conservative Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, has raised repeated concerns about the decline in marriage.

 

Christian Guy, director of the think tank, said: "Marriage is not a right wing obsession, but a crucial social justice issue. People throughout society want to marry but cultural and financial barriers faced by those in the poorest communities thwart their aspirations.

 

"Evidence shows quite clearly that children growing up with married parents tend to have better life chances. The Government must deliver on its family friendly pledge."

The official figures show that 729,674 children were born in 2012 and mothers now have an average of two children each, the highest fertility rate since the 1970s.

 

The rise in the birth rates has been driven by immigration and women chosing to have children later in life.

The number of women aged over 40 having children reached a record 29,994, up from just 6,519 in 2002.

The average age of mothers has risen to 29.8 years in 2012, compared to 27 in 1982. The ONS said: “These trends reflect the increasing numbers of women delaying childbearing to later ages.

 

“This may be due to a number of factors such as increased participation in higher education, increased female participation in the labour force, the increasing importance of a career, the rising opportunity costs of childbearing, labour market uncertainty, housing factors and instability of partnership.”

The figures also show that one in four new mothers were born outside the UK in 2012, compared to 17.7 per cent a decade earlier.

 

The ONS said that foreign-born mothers have a higher fertility rate, and are likely to increase their chance of conceiving by having children earlier.

The rising birth rate has been fueled by high levels of immigration from Eastern Europe after accession countries joined the European Union in 2004.

The number of women aged over 40 having children reached a record 29,994, up from just 6,519 in 2002.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...wedlock-by-2016.html

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Meanwhile in France ........

Majority of French children born to unwed mothers

More children were born out of wedlock in France than to married parents for the first time in 2006, census data showed on Tuesday, in a sign the traditionally Catholic country has moved further from older social mores.

With most financial incentives for marriage gone, and as parenthood among unwed couples becomes more socially acceptable, the proportion of children born outside marriage has grown steadily, the national statistics office INSEE said.

 

"They have clearly increased compared to the previous year, to 50.5 percent of all births compared to 48.4 percent, and they have become the majority for the first time," INSEE said in its yearly census report.

Given the rising trend from under 40 percent ten years ago, INSEE said births outside marriage would likely increase.

"Everything is going in that direction, although I think it will eventually stabilize," said Guy Desplanques, head of INSEE's demography department.

"(Marriage) is now seen more as a celebration held to bring together family and friends, and less a necessary institution, especially given the growth of civil unions," Desplanques added.

 

France created a civil union statute called the PACS in 1999 as a way to offer non-married couples legal status similar to that of marriage. Over 350,000 couples have entered into a "civil solidarity pact" since.

Although initially attacked by the right and the Catholic Church because it was open to homosexuals, who lobbied for it, the data showed PACS surged in popularity among heterosexuals.

"In the first three quarters of 2007, close to 73,000 were signed, that is to say almost the same amount for all of 2006."

INSEE said the proportion of homosexuals entering into a PACS fell to 7 percent in 2006 from 25 percent in 2002.

Census data also showed births drove France's population growth more in 2007 than in previous years, when immigration had boosted figures.

France's estimated overall population rose to 63.753 million by January 1, 2008, an increase of 361,000 from the same period a year earlier. But only 71,000 came from immigration compared to 91,000 the year before.

France has one of the highest birth rates in the European Union, and economists have in the past said this was helped by the arrival of legal and illegal immigrants. (Reporting by Brian Rohan; Editing by Ibon Villelabeitia)

 

http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSL1406071420080115

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Meanwhile .....

 

Out-of-wedlock births on the rise worldwide

 

The percentage of births to unmarried mothers is increasing worldwide, according to a new federal report that shows a universal upward trend over the last 25 years.
 

Among 14 countries analyzed in the report by the National Center for Health Statistics, the percentage of all live unmarried births in the USA — 40% in 2007 — ranks somewhere in the middle. That's up from 18% in 1980. The sharpest rise was from 2002 to 2007, the report found.

 

 

Countries with a higher proportion of births to unmarried mothers include Iceland, Sweden, Norway, France, Denmarkand the United Kingdom; countries with a lower percentage than the USA include Ireland, Germany, Canada, Spain, Italyand Japan.

In 2007, the Netherlands had the same percentage as the USA, but it has increased ten-fold there from 4% in 1980.

 

Demographer Patrick Heuveline of the University of California-Los Angeles compared non-marital fertility in many of the same countries about a decade ago. He found that U.S. mothers are more likely to be single parents because the non-married couple relationship doesn't tend to last very long, something he says continues to be true, he says.

 

"There might be little bit more cohabitation now, but it's probably true that the United States remains unique and ahead of other countries for births to single mothers not in a cohabiting partnership," he says.

Kelly Musick, an associate professor at Cornell University inIthaca, N.Y., is studying family stability of cohabiting couples with children. Although those numbers are increasing here, Musick says the USA and the U.K. are similar because they have more solo parenting by mothers.

 

"The relationships of the parents are much less stable in the U.S. than a lot of other countries," she says. "In Europe, where there are high levels of childbearing outside of marriage, when childbearing is not happening in marriage, it's happening in cohabitation. Cohabitations are reasonably stable."

Other U.S. findings for 2007:

•60% of births to women ages 20-24 were non-marital, up from 52% in 2002.

•Almost one-third (32.2%) of births to women 25-29 were non-marital, up from one-quarter (25.3%) in 2002.

 

•Births to unmarried women totaled 1.7 million, 26% more than in 2002.

"We in the United States have taken more time and energy to study these families and figure out what the family lives of kids born to unmarried women are like. It's seen much more as a problem and something we want to understand," Musick says. "There's less attention to it in Europe. People are less concerned about their kids being born outside of marriage because they're generally born to two parents in a relationship that tends to be stable."

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