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Originally posted by MBM:
Check out the man behind the president.

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Since the topic is the man behind the pResident and this is the Issues forum, this is a perfect place to delve further into...
    Exposing Karl Rove
    by WAYNE MADSEN

    He's America's Joseph Goebbels. As a 21-year old Young Republican in Texas, Karl Rove not only pimped for Richard Nixon's chief political dirty tricks strategist Donald Segretti but soon caught the eye of the incoming Republican National Committee Chairman, George H. W. Bush. Rove's dirty tricks on behalf of Nixon's 1972 campaign catapulted Rove onto the national stage. From his Eagle's Nest in the West Wing of the White House, Rove now directs a formidable political dirty tricks operation and disinformation mill.


Tricky Dick? Well now...
    Since his formative political years when he tried to paint World War II B-24 pilot and hero George McGovern as a left-wing peacenik through his mid-level career as a planter of disinformation in the media on behalf of Texas and national GOP candidates to his current role as Dubya's "Svengali," Rove has practiced the same style of slash and burn politics as did his Nixonian mentor Segretti. Many of us remember the Lincolnesque Senator Ed Muskie breaking down in tears during the 1972 campaign over Segretti-planted false stories in a New Hampshire newspaper that accused Mrs. Muskie of being a heavy smoker, drinker, and cusser and accused Muskie of uttering a slur in describing New Hampshire's French Canadian population. Rove's hero also forged letters on fake Muskie campaign letterhead, disrupted rallies and fundraising dinners, and spread false stories about the sex lives of candidates. Segretti's brush also smeared George McGovern, George Wallace, Shirley Chisholm, and McGovern's first vice presidential choice, Senator Tom Eagleton. Segretti of course did not go on to a high-level White House job -- he was sentenced to six months in federal prison for distributing illegal campaign material.


I sure had hoped Rove would follow in Segretti's footsteps, but now maybe not so much.
And, there's still more:
    Rove's penchant for fascistic demagoguery and outright lying continues to this very day. After Paul Wellstone's sons asked that Vice President Dick Cheney not attend the Minneapolis memorial service for their father, mother, and sister, the White House explained that the real reason wasn't the surviving Wellstone family's abhorrence for Cheney but the fact the family didn't want Cheney's Secret Service protection to interfere with public access to the service. Of course, the Rove and Ari Fleischer disinformation machine forgot to take into account that two attendees, Bill and Hillary Clinton, had their own Secret Service details. But such is the case with a White House that takes its lessons from Goebbels and the editorial staff of the old Soviet News Agency Tass.


Interesting.
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Originally posted by Pace Tua:
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Originally posted by Isome:
And, there's still more.


Also, according to "Democracy Now", Rove was the man believed to be behind the smear campaign directed at fellow Republican John McCain in the South Carolina Primary during the 2000 election.


Not just DN... another excerpt from the same Wayne Madsen piece:
    Rove's own tendency to be sick-minded originates with his mentor Segretti. The 2000 GOP primary was a chance for Rove to hone his skills in dirty tricks. His target then was Senator John McCain who appeared to be within striking distance of Dubya in South Carolina after the then-GOP maverick's surprise upset victory in New Hampshire. Rove's operation proceeded to target McCain with false stories: McCain was a stoolie for his captors in the Hanoi Hilton (this from a lunatic self-promoting Vietnam "veteran"); McCain fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter); Cindy McCain's drug "abuse"; and even McCain's "homosexuality." In the spirit of Segretti, Rove engineered a victory for Dubya but at the cost of trashing an honorable man and his family.


Please note that the "black daughter" is "despicable" as opposed to the implication that he had an affair and fathered a child out of wedlock. But, you know how white folks are, liberal or not.

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How McCain could stand next to Bush in 2004 and endorse him.....


Because it is politic and expedient. These people will sell their own mother for $1 if it was a means to their end.
Bush's brain, as Karl Rove has been called for some years now, is seen for the nasty piece of work that he is by many folks:
    The Guardian
    March 9, 2004

    In the autumn election season of 1970, a cherubic, bespectacled teenager turned up at the Chicago campaign headquarters of Alan Dixon, a Democrat running for state treasurer in Illinois. No one paid the newcomer much attention when he arrived, or when he left soon afterwards. Nor did anyone in the office make the connection between the mystery volunteer and 1,000 invitations on campaign stationery that began circulating in Chicago's red-light district and soup kitchens, promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing" for all-comers at Dixon's headquarters.

    As political dirty tricks go, it was minor league. Hundreds of the city's heavy drinkers and homeless turned up at a smart Dixon reception looking for free booze. Dixon was embarrassed but the plot failed to stop his momentum: he was elected state treasurer and went on to become a senator. But the teenager who stole his letterheads, Karl Rove, has gone even further.
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Originally posted by Isome:

Bush's brain, as Karl Rove has been called for some years now, is seen for the nasty piece of work that he is by many folks



Yes, I remember reading about this one. Rove has even admitted that he did it but brushed it off as a "boyish prank".

I also remember reading about Rove when he managed Dubya's first Texas gubernatorial campaign in 1994 against then Texas Democratic Govenor Ann Richards.

Although Rove denied any responsibility, someone used supposed pollsters to call Texas voters and ask the question "would you be more or less likely to vote for Governor Richards if you knew her staff is dominated by lesbians."

Also, during this campaign, a regional chairman for Bush allowed himself to be quoted criticizing Richards for "appointing avowed homosexual activists" to state jobs.

Yeah, George and Karl, a match truly made in...ah, made in... how's that saying go?
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Originally posted by Pace Tua:
Also, during this campaign, a regional chairman for Bush allowed himself to be quoted criticizing Richards for "appointing avowed homosexual activists" to state jobs.


*ha* ...they're homophobic, except when a mean queen is the right woman man for the job, like Mehlman, recently appointed to replace Scooter "I heard it from Tim Russert please don't indict me" Lewis.
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Originally posted by Pace Tua:
I like your defining inserts for these people. Smile I really had to laugh at the Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney on the other thread, which really, about sums it up.


LOL

How about Ronald "Gipper, Star Wars, Iran-Contra" Raygun; or Karl "Lee Atwater is my homeboy" Rove; or Bull "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton; or Donald "WMD's" Dumbsfeld; or Tom "Dark Lord of the Sith" DeLay; or Bill "Sexual Harrasser" O'Reilly; or Rush "They call me 'Rush' because I get high" Limbaugh; or George "Born-Again Cokehead" Dubya Bush? lol
Thanks, Pace Tua, Isome, etc., for the info pertaining to John McCain. When u look at the man he has turned out to be, versus the insane way he was depicted during the 2000 campaign, it makes me want to completely ignore any messages I hear in any campaign, especially those involving Karl Rove. If the most qualified, deserving Republican and Democrat in that 2000 race had gotten the nods -- McCain and Bill Bradley -- this country would be in infinitely better shape than it is. No matter which of the two of them won.
I mentioned this in another thread, but it goes well here. This is something one of the men behind the pResident said and shows the warped arrogance of the entire administration and the danger they pose to the world:
    In the summer of 2002, after I [Ron Suskind] had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend - but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

    The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
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Originally posted by Isome:

I mentioned this in another thread, but it goes well here. This is something one of the men behind the president said and shows the warped arrogance of the entire administration and the danger they pose to the world.



Isome,

The Bush administration, as you probably know, has adopted the policy of "preventative" intervention and attack.

This is something quite different than "preemptive" intervention or attack, which is actually allowed by the UN charter and essentially means that if a country detects hostile forces approaching it's shores, they have the right to defend themselves.

"Preventative" intervention is totally different, is a violation of the UN charter, international law and as defined by the Bush & Co. means that if the US arbitrarily decides a country is a threat to our national security, we, that is the US, have a right to attack that country.

Of course "threat to our national security usually means they are defenseless and have something the US wants.

In essence, Bush & friends just up and re-wrote international law. Of course, this doctrine/policy is reserved for the US only, and it's puppet states. Besides, it would be insanity for a weak country like Columbia or Nicaragua to attack the US when we are violating their national security.

Incidentally, this new policy has been whole-heartedly endorsed by former Nixon/Ford US Secretary of State Henry "wanted for murder in five countries" Kissinger. ( Smile I'm catching on).

You're posts and commentary are great, IMHO.
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Originally posted by Isome:

McCain fathered a black daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter)

Please note that the "black daughter" is "despicable" as opposed to the implication that he had an affair and fathered a child out of wedlock.



I returned to this comment because I feel that it speaks volumes, just volumes.

Although Wayne Madsen's purpose was to criticize Karl Rove, and rightfully so, unintentionally or otherwise he expressed the prevailing attitude of America towards African Americans. As Isome has said, this statement by Madsen implies that all African Americans are "despicable". That no one on Madsen's staff or his editors caught the implications of this statement is a further indictment, and confirms his statement as an acceptable and widely held belief.

To see that this is true, lets change the wording:

"McCain fathered a white daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter)"

For most of white America, this comment wouldn't make sense. They would read it a second time and think the author was confused. They may detest Karl Rove, but for them the comparative and therefore the condemnation just doesn't work. Even some Black Americans who have accepted the status quo would think, "Huh?"

But the defamation and slur contained in the original quote is accepted as true and passed right over without thought. For most people in the world who know what America is all about, it's just more of the same. They can only shake their heads and wonder.
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Originally posted by Pace Tua:
I returned to this comment because I feel that it speaks volumes, just volumes.

Although Wayne Madsen's purpose was to criticize Karl Rove, and rightfully so, unintentionally or otherwise he expressed the prevailing attitude of America towards African Americans. As Isome has said, this statement by Madsen implies that all African Americans are "despicable". That no one on Madsen's staff or his editors caught the implications of this statement is a further indictment, and confirms his statement as an acceptable and widely held belief.

To see that this is true, lets change the wording:

"McCain fathered a white daughter out of wedlock (a despicable reference to McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter)"

For most of white America, this comment wouldn't make sense. They would read it a second time and think the author was confused. They may detest Karl Rove, but for them the comparative and therefore the condemnation just doesn't work. Even some Black Americans who have accepted the status quo would think, "Huh?"

But the defamation and slur contained in the original quote is accepted as true and passed right over without thought. For most people in the world who know what America is all about, it's just more of the same. They can only shake their heads and wonder.


I'm glad you revisted this Pace. This is the thing that conservative shills in black face think that we don't acknowledge. We know, and it is no less disturbing from those on the left side of the political spectrum than it is from the right side. As people of African descent though, we know that... white folks will be white folks.

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