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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
Considering the fact that none of you were around to personally chronicle this insurmountable quagmire of ancient history, and all of you have obtained your information from similar second and third person sources the conclusion is you're all right. Now shut the fuck up and quit trying to make yourselves out to be some supernatural, omnipotent, omniscient beings of infinite wisdom--stop posting all these unecessarily elongated, self-edifying, self-exalting, ego-drenched posts of pointless, irrelevant, worthless information.


Wudda'matter rommy?

Still vex because no one would respond to your thread regarding condi rice?

What was it you said? Something about 17 views and ZERO replies? I mean, really...Who gets, to put it mildly, perturbed -because no one responds to their thread?

HOT GRITS!!! lol

Furthermore, scholars debate these things, all be it, I suppose, on a "scholarly level", that which we debate now.

Maybe you'd wanna consider it liking to barbershop talk, and keep it movin'.


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Bitch please. Nearly every thread I post or participate in averages 1200 hits and hits an upward of 3000 hits on the regular. Even my seldom visited threads average 400 hits. The lowest I've ever tracked was 80 and I didn't even bother to do anything much more than post an article.

You on the other hand can't even PAY somebody to LOOK at your threads let alone participate. The last few threads you started in this forum clocked--what-- an average of 18 hits? THE FUCK IS THAT? My name alone bumps the average thread at least 1000 hits more than it would normally get if I hadn't dropped my two cents up in there.

Your threads suck ass unless you start a thread that has a topic that's already a hot issue in the mainstream media, which any idiot can do. Hell, marcus3x averages more hits than your sorry ass threads and nobody even likes that fool.

Otherwise, your threads barely break tripple digits with MANY of them barely breaking double digits. The fuck outta here. You can't even run your own threads. People walk up in your shit and hijack that garbage like you didn't even exist. The hell outta here, clown. Try again.
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Originally posted by Raptor:
ohsnap You mean you actually keep track of the stats! lol

Fascinating!appl

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Bitch please.

I aint'cho mama. So you don't have to plead for tihs from me.

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The last few threads you started in this forum clocked--what-- an average of 18 hits?
Whatever the stats, at least I don't gripe about it.lol


No, Methuselah, I don't keep up with shit. I just post and walk away. You're the bitch that brought up stats on threads thinking you could bait somebody but you're too slow. You can't sell ice to an eskimo--hell, you don't even have the sense to sell a casket to a man with one foot in the grave and the other foot on a banana peel. It was quite interesting that you brought up the issue of discussion board stats because I didn't know a damn thing about yours until now since all you do is keep up bullshit about how much you loathe christianity and how you habitually look for opportunities to express your one track-minded religious ambiguity. Try posting something someone would actually want to discuss and keep your keystrokes out of other people's business. That way you won't get your bitchy little feelings hurt.
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You're the bitch that brought up stats on threads thinking you could bait somebody but you're too slow.


Bait you. Baiting you isn't worth the tissue I wiped my ass with. Belie'dat!

Your the bitch who wine about folks not commenting on a link. That's something that at best you could've kept to yourself. Which is also as ridiculous as you coming on the thread trying to regulate, ha!

But more to the point. Yo ass is wining on a thread where you've contributed zero post of any kind of substance in regard to the subject in any way.

Bitch don't worry about what you think I've loath. It won't change anything, so go kick rocks.

This is a religion and spirituality forum!

If you can't handle folks being critical and or critiquing xianity or any other kind of religion, then role the fuck out. It doesn't get any more simple then that, graduate.

Huh, I figured that your useless posts on this thread had something to do with your disdain for critiques and or criticism of religions that you hold close to your bosom.

Let it had been scientology, yo ass would've played the sideline as you have been any time ww3 get off on it, which is a quite a bit! But he's a xian so he can do that right? See, I knew yo fake ass isn't as middle of the road as you like to front.

$3 dollar bill nigga!
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Originally posted by Bitchy Bitch:

This is a religion and spirituality forum!



You're right. this is the religion and spirituality forum. This forum is supposed to be your stomping ground yet even in your own haven I have a thread that out clocks your best thread. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

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Originally posted by that envious, inferiority complex-suffering bitch:

But more to the point. Yo ass is wining on a thread where you've contributed zero post of any kind of substance in regard to the subject in any way.


Nigga please. Even this thread wouldn't have existed if I hadn't suggested that it be a separate subject from Palastinian/Israeli conflict thread. And for anyone that decides to make a lame post talking about 'it wasn't Romulus' idea' about this thread you can track back to the thread where this pissy little argument originated--a thread your punk ass originally started. 20

Israel bars credible observers from Gaza thread
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Originally posted by Romulus Burnett:
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Originally posted by Romulus's estranged DADDY:

This is a religion and spirituality forum!


This forum is supposed to be your stomping ground


Say's who?

Man, now you're just reachin'!

Either that or you are giving me mad credit.

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Originally posted by that dude who's telling the truth, for Romulus Burnett said everything, yet stop short of saying...Raptor is wrong:

But more to the point. Yo ass is wining on a thread where you've contributed zero post of any kind of substance in regard to the subject in any way.


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Nigga please. Even this thread wouldn't have existed if I hadn't suggested that it be a separate subject from Palastinian/Israeli conflict thread.


You wanna cookie? lol Better yet... How'bout some flowers>> flowers For that's the only thing you contributed worth noting. appl

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And for anyone that decides to make a lame post talking about 'it wasn't Romulus' idea' about this thread you can track back to the thread where this pissy little argument originated--a thread started.

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NOW THIS IS A GRADE-A EXAMPLE OF AN INFERIORITY COMPLEX SUFFERING BITCH WITH HOE-TYPE AB- BLOOD RUNNING THROUGH HIS (Romulus Burnett) VEINS:

That he makes a totally useless and unecessary attempt to preempt anyone from the idea of not giving him kudos for coming up with a common idea, a common suggestion mind you, of taking a morphed discussion and creating another thread well suited for further discussion.

BRILLIANT!
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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No what speaks volumes it's how you just so happened to leave out the first part of my last reply which reveals that you told an outright LIE about Nefertiti


Nope, like I've stated, Dr. Ben's scholarship is what convinced me that Nefertiti was Asiatic, Nefertari on the other hand is another story, and there is a reason she isn't focussed on, even though her name means "the MOST beautiful of them all"...


Once AGAIN if you don't mind cite the SOURCES that Dr. Ben uses to support whether or not Nefertiti was Asiatic...It's not that I'm doubting Dr. Ben I respect his work, I actually really would like to see if she was Asiatic..since I've never heard that before.

It's just that if this indeed came from Dr. Ben you should be able to give me credible sources to support it. These extra sources are needed not because Dr. Ben's credibility is in question it is however YOURS that is in question. Based on the NUMEROUS errors and blatant falsehoods that you've espoused in this thread I'm speaking for myself and the unbiased reader when I say at this point "Because Oshun said so" is just NOT good enough I want to see some PROOF.


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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
But just like focussing on the Semetic, or Cleopatra, we tend as a people to 'follow the lead' validating ourselves by what our oppressors hold in admiration. whn most of their focus is but one large distraction and in actuality an attempt at their own validation.]


It's funny you should mention "validating ourselves by what our oppressors hold in admiration" as someone who seems to follow the teachings of Gerald "Massa" Massey. I guess just so long as one of those oppressors happens to say what we want to hear then it's all good huh. It's also funny that you would mention distractions... I guess such as like you bringing up Cleopatra (who I think was at the very LEAST mixed with GREEK by the way and not Black) when our issue is whether or not NEFERTITI (not Nefertari) was Black or "Asiatic".

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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
'Nice talking to you' was sarcasm of course. What wasn't dealt with was quite revealing.


I hope it was sarcasm because I can scarcely imagine how my exposing so many of your falsehoods could in anyway be "nice" for you. You are correct though what wasn't dealt with was indeed quite revealing
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Originally posted by HeruStar:
You better sit your ass down some where and calm down. If I have a question that I care to receive an answer to, trust me I'll ask.


You need to watch yourself...I'm not your little girl: I don't need to sit my "a$$" anywhere...

Now if you can't handle a grown Woman talking to you, then you can take your own behind on. I don't have time for that mess. But if you can, I am asking you: if you don't have a question, what was the purpose for your comment?

"Wisdom Is A Woman Who Ain't About To Take That Illness!"
Shaya,

I half-ass like you so I'm not going into a tit-for-tat. My response was self explanatory, I DON'T CARE to question your sentiments of 'Truth'. I made a comment... do you want me to erase it?



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About this thread:

I've found a new found respect for the consideration of Black Jews. This consideration has forced me to do more than just accept the uniqueness of blacks of antiquity, but it urges me to explore the specifics of what made black thought distinquished. Without said exploration, blacks can arguably be attributed to nations that have traits that contradict and conflict with black civilization. So it's time for me to stop coasting, take it off cruise control, and focus on the task at hand; which is to bring clarity to the white-washing AS WELL AS the overreaching historical roles and traits attributed to ancient blacks.

I concede to the notion that "not all blacks were the same"; yet I can't cease from believing that even with all of our differences, there has to be some core fundamental (say like White people and Machiavellianism) that is at the nucleus of all ancient black civilizations.
@ Shaya:

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Originally posted by ShayaButHer:

Thank you, LD! Nice Truth Telling, BTW!

"Wisdom Is A Woman Appreciating!"


No problem...I just feel we as a people have been lied to enough already there is no need to add to the mix...

By the way, I like how you keep changing your "WIAW" tag line to reflect your mood... I just noticed that... it's quite unique.


@ Raptor:


Actually, as I reread over this thread I noticed that you are correct here.....

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Originally posted by Raptor:
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
I'm not withholding anything from you Raptor information is available to everyone...unless you want me to do the leg work for you to like Oshun...


I don't see the relevance in the remarks high lighted.

I'm asking you.

Me solo numero uno, for me solo numero uno.

Just name(s) source (book(s)) and I'll do the "leg work".

Perhaps I assumed that you had the sources on your person. Or on your shelf at home or where you are as you are reading my reply.

Yet if the sources are outside your domain (home or arms reach etc), then I belay my request.

Fuggidaboudit.



You asked a legitimate question and prehaps I should not have made that Oshun crack to you. I shouldn't allow my disappointment with Oshun to be taken out on you since you have up to this point seemed to make honest points. So here are some references with regard to how some have viewed Massey's work as well as Theosophics/Naturalistic Pantheism over the years...


In this link it reveals some of Masseys errors and the critisims he received for them... http://www.gerald-massey.org.u.../epr_09_a_retort.htm

Friedrich Jacobi. was a influential philosopher who saw theosophics as dressed up atheism http://www.nndb.com/people/265/000093983/

Peter Washington. Madame Blavatsky's Baboon: A History of the Mystics, Mediums, and Misfits Who Brought Spiritualism to America (Schocken Books, 1996).

This link below goes further into Madame Blavatsky who was a stern follower of Massey and even Plagiarized some of his works...

http://www.skepdic.com/theosoph.html

Also here is a quote from another influential philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer that sums it up nicely...

"All pantheism must ultimately be shipwrecked on the inescapable demands of ethics, and then on the evil and suffering of the world. If the world is a theophany, then everything done by man, and even by animal, is equally divine and excellent; nothing can be more censurable and nothing more praiseworthy than anything else; hence there is no ethics." Arthur Schopenhauer – The World as Will and Representation, Vol. II, Ch. XLVII


In summarizing my reason for starting this thread, I want to state that I feel this subject matter is of the utmost importance as it relates to our identity as a people. This is a part of our heritage that we have been cut off from to the point that many Blacks can't even conceive the fact that the Hebrews were Black. Even though there is mountains of evidence to support this... not the least of which I have shared within this thread. It's quite sad when Blacks in general put limits on the range and scope of our civilizations in the same way YT does....then they attempt to reject the truth when it's finally revealed to them. What's even worse is when there are those that are self proclaimed 'experts' on Afrikan culture who claim some kind of Egyptian lineage...when in reality they would be hard pressed to trace an authentic West African one. The bottom line is Blacks in this country have been so completely and systematically cut off from our TRUE heritage that we don't know if we descended directly from the Egyptians or Hebrews. So that being the case we should embrace the ancient Hebrew culture with the same amount of fervor and pride as we do the Egyptian one. I will say this though... based on the history and biblical records there are some extreme correlations between what happened to the ancient Hebrews and what happened to us. Which is why I'm of the belief that many of us descended from the ancient Hebraic Kingdoms that fell and migrated to western Africa (hence the many Hebrewisms still present in western Africa to this day)

This brings me to my last point which is... Everyone always talks about the glory of ancient Black civilizations but nobody ever addresses the SELF INFLICTED reasons for their collapse. This thread actually plays out like a microcosm of why Black civilizations fell...Case in point look at all the logic defying extremes some tried to go in order to deny the FACT that Black thought was not limited to pantheism and polytheism. This is what happened to great Black thinkers like Akhenaten, Moses and all the biblical prophets who tried to bring a superior monotheist belief system to the Egyptians and Hebrews respectively... but they were rejected. Both the ancient Egyptians and the Hebrews rebelled against this new way of thinking in favor of their antiquated pantheism/polytheism. They also lied on and attacked the messengers of this new way of thinking and tried everything in their power to distort and cover it up. For this both the Egyptians and the Hebrews paid dearly and both the historic and biblical records bear witness to the fact that these civilizations would fall because of it. That's why today the lands once owned and occupied by the Black ancient Egyptians and Black ancient Hebrews is under the control of non Blacks. These other groups just so happened to embrace the same monotheist beliefs that both Akhenaten, Moses and all the prophets tried to instill within their people in advance.... however, our people rejected it and so these groups used it against us.

To this day you have those who after all this history STILL want to embrace pantheism/polytheism or the oppressors brand of monotheism... which are equally detrimental to Blacks. What Blacks in this country REALLY need is a unified, racially/culturaly specific common spirituality by which we can coalesce around. This and ONLY this will give us the foundation necessary to begin to work together to address the many ills plaguing us as a people...anything short of this will not work at which point only severe conditions will bring it about.
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black civilizations but nobody ever addresses the SELF INFLICTED reasons for their collapse.


In short, I will say to this, that the afrikan's, in general, social and political naivete ultimately did them in.

Polytheism; Pantheism. Whatever the ism, afrikans were (and for the most part still are) an extremely spiritual people. Heck, you see that here with us in the present.

As dr. clarke says, black folks "out-pope the pope and out-muhammad muhammad."

As for kmt. They ruled for well over 10000 years. Even a well oiled machine eventually breaks down...

It was their time.

The book of life is still being written, and time will tell how long the big 3 western religions will be "on top" until woman/man decides to up and move into a new house as they have throughout human history.

This isoffbut why does the website: http://www.nndb.com/people/265/000093983/
...sought it pertinent to make the reader aware of heinrich jacobi's sexual orientation???

Nevertheless, thanks for the references.
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Originally posted by Raptor:
As for kmt. They ruled for well over 10000 years. Even a well oiled machine eventually breaks down...

It was their time.

The book of life is still being written, and time will tell how long the big 3 western religions will be "on top" until woman/man decides to up and move into a new house as they have throughout human history.

This isoffbut why does the website: http://www.nndb.com/people/265/000093983/
...sought it pertinent to make the reader aware of heinrich jacobi's sexual orientation???

Nevertheless, thanks for the references.




When you contrast 10000 years against eternity it's not such a long time...There is no reason that the Great Black civilizations should have fell the way they did with barely even a TRACE of their former glory left. Had they adopted monotheism (which is also a great unifying tool that they were exposed to in advance) Black civilization would have been too strong and united for Asiatics and Europeans to successfully usurp them the way they did.

Anyway, on your side note I'm not sure why they would feel the need to mention heinrich jacobi's sexual orientation...maybe they felt since European history is so laced with homosexuality that they saw the need to separate him from the pack by identifying him as 'straight'.
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Originally posted by LieDecrypter:
@ Shaya:

No problem...I just feel we as a people have been lied to enough already there is no need to add to the mix...

By the way, I like how you keep changing your "WIAW" tag line to reflect your mood... I just noticed that... it's quite unique.


Thank you, LD. I appreciate the recognition.

You know, for me personally, I've stated before that I claim Christian: Christ Woman.

Many who know my particular path wonder about that given that I UnderStand my history.

...Why I've chosen Christianity above all other spiritual living gets down to one common Truth for me: Most can assert that no matter what took place within HiStory, it is still His Story...meaning that most can get with the idea that there is at least a God.

Given that none of us were there, my own sentiment is that it is better for me to live like there is a God, rather than live as if there is not one. What do I have to lose by ReSpecting MySelf and ReSpecting others around me? At best, I live the most generous and loving life that I can live and at worst, I've believed in a concept that only helped me to be a better person. I don't have a problem with the fundamentals of Christianity given that I believe that the fundamentals, if lived and applied correctly, work for the good of all people.

...with the operative phrase being "if lived and applied correctly," a feat that most rarely accomplish simply because they are steeped in too much fear and too much doubt to even comprehend that we could all be Created and Loved by a Higher Being that DOES NOT have ulterior motives against us....

...that takes a LOT of Trust, and a LOT of UnderStanding....and a whole heap of Patience....for real!

The other part of that for me is this: God never said that the events of the past did not happen just the way many of us have come to learn that they may have been brought about. Again, we were not there, so while we speculate, deduct, take account of certain events, educate OurSelves on artifacts, relics and other "physical" accountings that have come to light, etc., etc....ultimately those offerings are what they are.

So to me, if I am to believe that there is a Higher Power who has my best interest at heart, who IS influenced by Human Beings, why should I not SubMit to what that Higher Power says and does?

Again, SubMission can be broken down into two parts:

Sub = Under or Supporting
Mission = Goals and Vision

If I am to support the Goals and Vision of a Higher Being who by its very nature knows more and has more ability than I do, why would I not Believe what that Higher Power has on offer?

To me, if I know I had a child, yet SomeOne comes to me and says:

"No, you didn't have a child...the fantasy of any child you had came from the fact that Khalliqua or Oshun or EbonyRose or Listener or Koco or NegroSpiritual or Yemaya or Sandy, etc., had a child who did great things. You're just delusional!"

....I would look at that and say:

"What? What? Just because THEY had a child, that means that I couldn't have had one, too? Who's to say that BECAUSE they had a child who offered XYZ to the world, that didn't influence my own decision? Maybe their offering was deemed an appropriate model for me to utilize as a means to getting a larger point across to those who seem to UnderStand this particular method of acting?"

....that is how I view God.
God Created Man/Woman for a reason...and if I am to believe that we were created, in that image and out of Love, then I have to believe that the same God only has good intentions for me....and I have to realize that because of that Love and Good Intention, I have freedom; so much freedom that what I do has a significant impact upon my Creator.

I don't know too many parents who create children only to NOT be affected by what that child does. When the child does wonderfully, we are proud. When that child gets us to think about things in ways that we weren't previously fully aware of, then we adapt our way of thinking...and when that child is a complete idiot, we get pissed off at that child, and adjust accordingly.

So, it is my Belief and Truth that a Black Man was the first Man...and a Black Woman was the first Woman. That does not come out of wishful thinking or ignorant thinking. That comes out of the sheer knowledge of what colors do and how they are born...ask any artist. That also comes from the various clues we have in the Bible about what Jesus looked like.

So, yes, Black People were Hebrew yes, Black People were Jewish....and YES, Black People were EveryThing else. If all came from us, it goes WithOut saying that Black People permeated EVERY aspect of Good and Bad WithIn and WithOut the Bible.

That is a concept that few people want to believe and this is evidenced by what has taken place ThroughOut History against US as a people. We were the Original Remnant and when SomeThing else sprang from us, we were told to "cut it down" lest we be ruled by it all over the world....and we ignored what our Creator told us.

...and I ask you: Who has ruled all over the world?

HowEver, even that has been used to bring to pass the events ForeTold in the Bible and other texts...and we are all witnessess to this even today as our economy bottoms out...along with other events that will eventually humble a whole host of people.

So for me, God loses no credibility with me. God doesn't because God never said XYZ never took place; rather God, in God's UnderStanding that WE UnderStand SomeThings better in certain ways, DID SAY, "While XYZ took place previously, this is a New Day. FROM NOW ON, THIS IS WHAT WILL BE...." and then God laid out a plan that we all can get with if we learn to see the value in each other; if we learn to work with God and each other rather than destroy what God designed and each other.

I can see what History was and fully acknowledge my ancestors and their contributions...those ConTributions were great and had an impact upon God, which in and of itself is a SERIOUS compliment.

....and I can see what the present is and fully appreciate why some are confused, as it seems illogical to Believe in what one can not see; it seems illogical to believe in what one blames for the conditions that we see Our People in...but then I remember that God is not the blame: man is.

....so I can see what the future will be and how people are coming into their full sense...all because of the acts of man.

I'm just from the school of thought that Man will eventually learn that this thing called Life is a Family Unit: It is not a WAR; we are on the same team...and like it or not, that team has a General Manager, a Coach, an Assistant Coach and other coaching staff.

Whether or not we ReCognize their ability to see our Strengths, our Weaknesses and our Potential...and call us on those is irrelevant: they are the Authorities.

Now, we can ask for a trade if we want to, but how many people actually DownGrade from the Best team to that of mediocrity? Most UpGrade, if at all possible.

Knowing and Seeing....is all I need. The fact that I get to Witness and ParTake in the festivities at all is just icing on the cake.

"Wisdom Is A Woman Who Believes!"
@ Shaya

thank you for taking the time to share your point of view with me...just because you are christian and I am not does not mean we cannot agree on certain aspects of faith.

@ Raptor

That may be true...but do you believe that now since people do exist that we always will? if so what should be our place (specifically Black folk) for the rest of eternity?
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do you believe that now since people do exist that we always will?


I believe that people will exist until a time comes when people will no longer exist, if only in a human state, at least.

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so what should be our place (specifically Black folk) for the rest of eternity?
While I hold great aspirations for our people and by our people in all good things possible, it would likely take an eternity to answer.
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do you believe that now since people do exist that we always will?


I believe that people will exist until a time comes when people will no longer exist, if only in a human state, at least.


Obviously, however the basis for my question is how do you think Blacks will fare from now on?... do you think we can or will return to our former glory?

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so what should be our place (specifically Black folk) for the rest of eternity?



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Originally posted by Raptor:
While I hold great aspirations for our people and by our people in all good things possible, it would likely take an eternity to answer.


I think we should start thinking about this NOW... if we wait an eternity to answer this...that might be too late.

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