How are they one?

Do beliefs on this differ between denominations?
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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7


God is Almighty. He is our Father, the Creator of all things. He is Jesus Christ, Our Saviour who gave an example of a sinless life, and won back the reigns of death. He is the Holy Spirit working in the world to make God real to believers.

Although there is a lot of confusion in the denominations, this is one understanding that seems to be present in all of them.
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7


God is Almighty. He is our Father, the Creator of all things. He is Jesus Christ, Our Saviour who gave an example of a sinless life, and won back the reigns of death. He is the Holy Spirit working in the world to make God real to believers.

Although there is a lot of confusion in the denominations, this is one understanding that seems to be present in all of them.


But the Hebrew word for the Holy spirit, Shekina, is a feminine word... So how is 'it' a he?

Patriarchy is at work in the way the denominations are 'schooled' no?
Trinity Translations

If your preacher, teacher, minister, deacon or any other religious leader really cared, he would take time out to research the original language, rather than rely on poor translations. If they knew how to translate from the original Syriac (Arabic) and Galilean Arabic, the verse 1 John 5:7 that you are familiar with today did not exist. Neither did it exist in the original Hebrew and Greek that were translated from these original languages. It wasn't until the onset of the Roman Catholic Church that this distortion was made. The Roman Catholics inserted the trinity verse when they tranlated the bible from Greek to Latin. Notice I say "inserted" and not "translated" because, as I already said, the original Greek did not have this verse. However, you will find some Greek translations that have been translated from Latin or English, and it is in these Greek translations that you will find either the whole trinity verse or only a portion of it.

1 John 5:7 is surrounded in controversy because there are two versions of this verse. So-called scholars say the verse used in most bibles today is either not the original verse, or they say that it is only partially genuine. These so-called scholars continue to argue back and forth on this subject because they really don't want to admit that the trinity really has no basis in the teachings of Jesus.

I will refer to the Holy Bible from Ancient Manuscripts by George M. Lamsa, which is a bible that is translated from the original Aramic or Syriac language . . :

6 ¶This is he who came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood.
7 And the Spirit testifies that that very Spirit is the truth.
8 And there are three to bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three are one.

When you read 1 John 5:7 in your standard bible, which in this case is the Ryrie Study Bible (King James Version). . . you will read this:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Do you see what happened? . . . You will find that the original verse 5:7, has been actually pushed up to merge with verse 5:6.
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Originally posted by Oshun Auset:
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7


God is Almighty. He is our Father, the Creator of all things. He is Jesus Christ, Our Saviour who gave an example of a sinless life, and won back the reigns of death. He is the Holy Spirit working in the world to make God real to believers.

Although there is a lot of confusion in the denominations, this is one understanding that seems to be present in all of them.


But the Hebrew word for the Holy spirit, Shekina, is a feminine word... So how is 'it' a he?

Patriarchy is at work in the way the denominations are 'schooled' no?



Once God makes himself known to you, the WISDOM you learn is considered female, or "she".

5-Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. 6-Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee. 7-Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding. 8-Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her. - Proverbs 4:5-8
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Originally posted by DivineJoy:
Once God makes himself known to you, the WISDOM you learn is considered female, or "she".

Yes, Sophia... But that still doesn't make valid to give the gender identity of 'he' to the Holy Ghost. When one does, they are continuing to practicing the uber patriarchal teachings of the church.
The myth of the "Trinity" was invetnted by Euro-Jewish Thalmudic "scholars" in 90 A.D., during the Conference of Jamnia; what we call Turkey today.

They just made it up...

I would tend to believe that such educated people as I have found on this site, would not believe in these fairytales concocted by our enemies to enslaves us. I am sursprised.

The Original Bible was stolen (mis-translated) from the walls of the Pyramids and the Papyrus they stole, when the commited the sacriliges of tomb robbery in Egypticus (Land of the Blacks).

I apologize in advance to any whom I may have offended.

Thank you.
People would call me mad when I said things like, "in your Bible there are added verses to support your trinity theory." Christians say oh he's crazy, or he's mad. Christians claim that a trinity exists in the Bible, when it doesn't. I repeat, yes, you can find the words "the father, the word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one" in 1 John 5:7-9 in any version of the Bible. However if you were to consult the original manuscript of the original Aramic or Syriac Bible, you would find that these words don't exist and that they were added in. When I confirm things that are right in your Bible, like "Jesus had a wedding in Cana" (John 2) which means he had a wife – you call me mad. When I prove to you that there existed "three Jesus' in your Bible" who false pastors, preachers and Reverends get confused as just being Yashua of 2,000 years ago, when I take the facts to dispel the myths, you call me mad.
Well, I am mad and you should be too. You should be mad at the fact that in 325 BC a group of men sat around and decided to take the facts about the life and times of all three Jesus' and combine it into one book – the Bible. And, one person left out the facts, and added in some Hindu myths and Egyptian facts to create what is called the greatest story ever told. You should be mad at the fact that your pastor, preacher, teacher, or Reverend stands before you on Sunday and preaches to you from a book of which he can't understand the original language, be it Aramic (Hebrew) or Greek. That he stands before you saying, "yes-ah Jeeeesus came to save ya, can I get an amen-na."
Ask your pastor if he already came to save us and remove all sin, then why are you still waiting for him to return, and why are you still sinning? The fact is there is no such thing as a trinity, at least in the sense that these religious denominations have given it.
Actually, I personally believe that many Black preachers(many of whom are also Masons) know the truth, but will not teach it. They know Jesus is dead and was buried in the karst mumia style to last for 10,000 years, by his father Joseph. They know his body is held in Rome by the Vatican and is called "the Holy Grail".

This is why is am a proponent of multi-lingualism by Black people in America. Learn another language, it will open the small little world that the slave masters put us in.

Thank you.
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Originally posted by One:
Actually, I personally believe that many Black preachers(many of whom are also Masons) know the truth, but will not teach it. They know Jesus is dead and was buried in the karst mumia style to last for 10,000 years, by his father Joseph. They know his body is held in Rome by the Vatican and is called "the Holy Grail".

This is why is am a proponent of multi-lingualism by Black people in America. Learn another language, it will open the small little world that the slave masters put us in.

Thank you.

Do you have any scholarly sources for this story? This is my first exposure to it.
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Originally posted by One:
The myth of the "Trinity" was invetnted by Euro-Jewish Thalmudic "scholars" in 90 A.D., during the Conference of Jamnia; what we call Turkey today.

They just made it up...

I would tend to believe that such educated people as I have found on this site, would not believe in these fairytales concocted by our enemies to enslaves us. I am sursprised.

The Original Bible was stolen (mis-translated) from the walls of the Pyramids and the Papyrus they stole, when the commited the sacriliges of tomb robbery in Egypticus (Land of the Blacks).

I apologize in advance to any whom I may have offended.

Thank you.

The trinity is a theological construct of the early church predicated on what for most of us moderns/postmoderns is an archaic metaphysic. That said, it is no different from most doctrinal/dogmas of any religious tradition.

Not to get into the political dimensions of the various ecumenical councils, I believe that most of the participates where using the philosophical tools available to them to wrestle with the meanings/truth they encountered and discerned in the this particular faith community. I.e., how does one understand the relationship between Jesus, the one to whom Jesus referred to as Abba/Father, and the one that Jesus said would come after him. This is what leaders of the early church community attempted to articulate in the language of ousia, persona, and hypostasis.

As to the origin of the Bible, they are numerous and varied. The stories therein, are not dissimilar from the various myths and sacred stories of ancient peoples of the Near East.
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Originally posted by ma'am:
How are they one?

Do beliefs on this differ between denominations?

Beliefs do differ among Christians churches such as Unitarians. A pretty good summary of this "nontrinitarian" traditions can be found here.
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Originally posted by One:
Actually, I personally believe that many Black preachers(many of whom are also Masons) know the truth, but will not teach it.


yeah It would cut off their bread and butter...
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Originally posted by One:
The myth of the "Trinity" was invetnted by Euro-Jewish Thalmudic "scholars" in 90 A.D., during the Conference of Jamnia; what we call Turkey today.

They just made it up...


Didn't they 'borrow' it in a way(or rather plagerize the concept, since they didn't give credit) like Philippe said... Also, aren't all spiritual sciences/paths 'made up' by man from generational observations and practices of the macro-cosm(celestial/terrestrial) and how it relates to the micro-cosm(inner 'mysteries'/development of consciousness/enlightenment in wob-man/man)?

I'm not trying to be a x-tian defender WHATSOEVER... I'm just looking for clarification of thought/opinion...

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