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I have a few years to go before my (unborn) child reaches school-age, but I have two younger sisters who come home every day with a new story to tell about what happened that day at school.

Their teachers this year simply are not up to par. One of my sisters told me a disheartening tale last week about her teacher. It was simple really...

My sister went up to the teacher for a pass to the office.

The teacher told my sister to leave her alone.

Apparently this isn't the first time this has happened. My other sister has been having problems too. When I go to pick them up from school I hear other children rambling off curse words like it's nobody's business.

This can't be the natural course of things.

I'm worried about "the future of our children". Is it a public school problem, a home problem, a combination of both? Something else?

It wasn't like this when I was in elementary school...
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It's a combination between a problem with the schools and the home. But I think more so a problem of the home.

My wife and I are both invested in our daughter's education. So the teachers know that we WILL be at every parent teacher conference, we attend most school functions, including monitoring on field trips when we can, we WILL review her homework EVERY NIGHT, we WILL be at the school the day after anything inappropriate occurs, whether the actor be the teacher or our daughter.

And, because of our investment, our daughter knows that she had better toe the line; as do her teachers.
The home is where it starts.

When a child leaves the home, they should be ready to learn what the teacher has to offer. All this
bull about learning styles is bull.

THouands of black kids learned from one black sistas at a time back in the day in Fifty kid filled rooms.

SChools don't make badd children, Homes do.

If the schools are not teaching what is require by parents, and businesses, they should vote for people that will and stop voting for people because they lie. And teach their own chidlren.

If you're children are not ready for school, why send them? It is a parents job to raise their children, It is the childs job to learn.

"Spare the rod & spoil the child"
This means to spare the staf of knowledge, and you will spoil the child rotten. They will be
evil and stupid.

"our culture peculiarly honors the act of blaming, which it takes as the sign of virture and intellect' >>L. Trilling
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Originally posted by Shadow:
The home is where it starts.

When a child leavds the home, they should be ready to learn what the teacher has to offer. All this
bull about learning styles is bull.

THouands of black kids learned from one black sistas at a time back in the day in Fifty kid filled rooms.

SChools don't make badd children, Homes do.

If the schools are not teaching what is require by parents, and businesses, they should vote for people that will and stop voting for people because they lie. And teach their own chidlren.

If you're children are not ready for school, why send them? It is a parents job to raise their children, It is the childs job to learn.

"Spare the rod & spoil the child"
This means to spare the staf of knowledge, and you will spoil the child rotten. They will be
evil and stupid.

"our culture peculiarly honors the act of blaming, which it takes as the sign of virture and intellect' >>L. Trilling


I don't completely agree with this. You seem to believe that there is no such thing as a bad teacher or a bad school.

I agree that what goes on in the home is the beginning to what could be a good or bad education for a child, but if a teacher is not doing his or her job, has not had the proper training, etc., how is this the parents' fault?

Public schools nowadays are so desperate for teachers that they are hiring almost anyone without proper screening, and damn sure without proper qualifications.

And as far as learning styles, it has been proven time and again that different people (not just children) learn better in different ways. I prefer a verbal and tactical approach, while others may be more tuned in with their auditory learning skills. Every person is different.
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I agree that what goes on in the home is the beginning to what could be a good or bad education for a child, but if a teacher is not doing his or her job, has not had the proper training, etc., how is this the parents' fault?


It's the parents fault because in the end it is the parent's responsibility to educate their children. We "hire" the state to educate them. That is why some people are opting to home school.

And as stated, if there are bad teachers then the PARENTS should be aware of this and do something about. How about going to PTA meetings and Open House.

Too many parents ready their kids to go to school but don't prepare them for it and fail to continue to take interest in what and how they are being taught. I have heard parents in my office talk about how their child was "going to get it" if they came home with a bad report card. My question is why don't you already know if they are making bad grades? They do work that is grade that is used to determine their final grade. Why don't you know what grades they are getting? This is because you are not taking interest in YOUR child's education. And it will be YOUR child that suffers in the long run not the teacher.
Children should report anything that makes them feel uncomfortable to their parents, and the parents should drop everything and immediately go to the school. I agree with K4R. I worked very closely with my daughter's teachers, and other administrative personnel to ensure that my daughter had the balance that only I could provide to the school's institutionalization.

Teachers knew that I was subject to make a surprise visit at any moment and frequently did stop in during my lunch hour to observe. There was no way that I was going to entrust my most precious child to a total stranger for hours on end.

Sistah, when the time comes, let the school know what you expect and let them know that you are an active and involved parent. I believe you will be a fantastic parent as you are thinking about your child's future already! Many parents start far too late and you are ahead of the game already. All the best to you and yours, my dear Sister.
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Originally posted by Kweli4Real:
It's a combination between a problem with the schools and the home. But I think more so a problem of the home.

My wife and I are both invested in our daughter's education. So the teachers know that we WILL be at every parent teacher conference, we attend most school functions, including monitoring on field trips when we can, we WILL review her homework EVERY NIGHT, we WILL be at the school the day after anything inappropriate occurs, whether the actor be the teacher or our daughter.

And, because of our investment, our daughter knows that she had better toe the line; as do her teachers.


I agree....I think it takes a little of both..a decent school system and actively involved parent(s).
But I think the home has a more powerful influence on how well children do...take for example my nerdy awakening at the age of 9 (i guess). It was solely due to my mother and the set of encyclopedia she bought me...it just seemed to open a new world to me...the rest is history.
It was this love to read that got me thru the awlful public high school I went to while I was in Nigeria despite the absolute poverty my high school had...think of the open schools in Africa you may have seen on Discovery, National Geo or HBO..that was my high school.
So, I plan on being very actively involved in my future children's school.
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Originally posted by SistahSouljah:
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Originally posted by Shadow:
The home is where it starts.

When a child leavs the home, they should be ready to learn what the teacher has to offer. All this
bull about learning styles is bull.

THouands of black kids learned from one black sistas at a time back in the day in Fifty kid filled rooms.

SChools don't make badd children, Homes do.

If the schools are not teaching what is require by parents, and businesses, they should vote for people that will and stop voting for people because they lie. And teach their own chidlren.

If you're children are not ready for school, why send them? It is a parents job to raise their children, It is the childs job to learn.

"Spare the rod & spoil the child"
This means to spare the staf of knowledge, and you will spoil the child rotten. They will be
evil and stupid.

"our culture peculiarly honors the act of blaming, which it takes as the sign of virture and intellect' >>L. Trilling


I don't completely agree with this. You seem to believe that there is no such thing as a bad teacher or a bad school.
>>>BAdd teachers? TEAChers who are not up to par, can be dismissed. Parents who vote for
the right person, can effect change.What makes a badd teacher? Not teaching enough, not teaching so the children can learn? AGain, Children
should be ready to learn what ever the teacher is teaching.<<<<
Bad schools, what makes up a school? BAdd children. Which comes from home.<<<<<<

I agree that what goes on in the home is the beginning to what could be a good or bad education for a child, but if a teacher is not doing his or her job, has not had the proper training, etc., how is this the parents' fault?
See Above answers^^^^^

Public schools nowadays are so desperate for teachers that they are hiring almost anyone without proper screening, and damn sure without proper qualifications.

>>>>>>Again, the parents doing. If parents would spent the time to educate themselves about who they are voting for. Better adminstrators who be haired, hence better qualifiy teachers whould be hired. Parent spent more time talking on cell phone about nothing, such as Hollywierd, then they do about learning to vote. ANd spending time at their childrens schools.
PS> Where are all the black revolutionarys in teaching colleges? no where to be found.
They leave the teching of our children up to
white Liberals women. Who don't like your children very much.<<<<<<<<

And as far as learning styles, it has been proven time and again that different people (not just children) learn better in different ways. I prefer a verbal and tactical approach, while others may be more tuned in with their auditory learning skills. Every person is different.

>>>
I posted that back in the day, one black sists taught a class room full of children, fifty or more, in one room schools. ALl ages.
So how did we get so many bright old folks today?
Learning style are in every class room today.
Hearing>>>The teacher speaks.
Sight>>.The teacher writes on the board.
Understanding from what one heards sees and touches?>>>Books aloud touching, items of every kinds can be used to show,exambles of the lessons. Hence tatical teaching.
Learning styles excuses are nothing more than
a way to get more funding.

Funny! our children have no problem of listening to a song once, and be able to write,
sing and express it to others? with no teacher.
So! why can't our chidlren go to school and learn by listening, hearing, and seeing?

If parents want smart and intelligent children, who see the world in reality? Then it is up to them to make them that way. TEAch your children. And let the schools back up what they already know, and want to learn more.

"Once they got a whiff of some real knowledge--knowledge that was relevant to them--they educated themselves far better than any public school could have hoped to do.">>
"Nathan McCall in Makes Me wanna Holler"
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Even though public school for us is not reaching higher standards we should be proud that it is able to handle or accomodate most of our school age population even newly immigrants to get them to at least learn the basics in reading writing and arithmetic. These are fundamentals that need to be covered. Most countries in the world cannot say the same. Beyond that we have societal pressures inside public schools that robs our children of further education. As long as the fundamentals are covered then I say we keep the system while each of us try to make a difference to higher standards.
The dumbing down of black america within the public school system is no laughing matter. Rote learning is what the PSS teaches, which was originally developed for the deaf and dumb.

1. Teach your child the root meaning of words [i.e. canine--dog; feline--cat; boline-cow that sort of thing]

2. Read to your child early on

I have a book called "Triple Your Reading Speed" by Wade E. Cutler. This book teaches you how to group 4-5 words together instead of reading one-word-at-a-time.

A great learning tool! -- http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Triple%20Your%20Reading%20S...ZWVkBHNsawNib29rcw--


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Side Thought--I hope this information is helpful to you...
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Their teachers this year simply are not up to par. One of my sisters told me a disheartening tale last week about her teacher. It was simple really...My sister went up to the teacher for a pass to the office. The teacher told my sister to leave her alone.


What the child neglected to tell you was that many students are asking for passes to be excused NOT because they want to "go to the bathroom," as they say, but because they wish to roam the halls. What gets me is when children run home to tell their parents selective information that will make them appear as angels and the teachers as evil demons bent on making their child's life a living hell. Parents must realize that before they buy into a child's story, you MUST get the full picture of what is taking inside the classroom. If a problem is consistent, request a parent-teacher's conference. Never go charging into a teacher's classroom making accusations when you failed to get both sides of the situation.

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I'm worried about "the future of our children". Is it a public school problem, a home problem, a combination of both? Something else?


How Can Schools Attract Black and Latino Teachers and Prepare White Teachers?

I'm worried about the future of students AND the future of teachers. A growing number of students entering our school systems today are nonwhite students coming from culturally and linguistically diverse backgrounds. Interestingly enough however, many of the students enrolling into teacher education programs are WHITE FEMALES! School systems across the country are reporting a shortage in Black and Latino teachers, a shortgage that is dropping every year. Consequently, researchers have predicted that many Black and Latino students will be taught by predominately White women. Therefore, I'm worried that our schools are not doing enough to attract teachers of color AND they are doing enough to prepare White teachers for diverse classrooms. For example, every education program around the country should require teacher candidates (as well as new teachers) to take a minimum of five Spanish and/or Japanese courses. This way, teachers will be able to at least communicate with their bilingual students. Unfortunately however, many teacher education programs are not equipping preservice teachers will these skills. Many programs are still preparing teachers as if White, middle-class, English-speaking students will be the majority.
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Many programs are still preparing teachers as if White, middle-class, English-speaking students will be the majority.---Rowe

Does this offer an interesting challenge? Graduate teachers who reflect the demographics of the student population.

The challenge of an immigrant culture should be gone by the second generation. Right?

So the challenge to new teachers is to be able to teach in ghe language and culture of the new student?

Something is wrong with that.

Clearly there is a need to understand the diveristy of a student population.

It is also 'compassionate' to teach a transition curriculum from foreign first-language students.

The focus of the school however should be to teach the soceital standard by which we are governed.

Is that too simplisitc?


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by James Wesley
Clearly there is a need to understand the diveristy of a student population. It is also 'compassionate' to teach a transition curriculum from foreign first-language students.
The focus of the school however should be to teach the soceital standard by which we are governed.


Brother James, the "societal standard by which we are governed" has and is going to dramatically change. I recently watched a nightly news program that featured a progressive school where the teachers were teaching Kindergarten students how to speak Japanese! I forget where the school was located; however, the school's principal admitted to selectively seeking teachers who were bi and trilingual, because these teachers, he said, "Will be the most sought after educators in the very near future."
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Brother James, the "societal standard by which we are governed" has and is going to dramatically change. I recently watched a nightly news program that featured a progressive school where the teachers were teaching Kindergarten students how to speak Japanese! I forget where the school was located; however, the school's principal admitted to selectively seeking teachers who were bi and tri-lingual, because these teachers, he said, "Will be the most sought after educators in the very near future."---Rowe

I don't think you are saying 'bi', and trilingual teachers will become the dicipline standard.

I am reminded that I went to a high school that recommended, and taught, Latin for the student looking to go to college.

Latin was abolished from the curriculum.

I went to a school that REQUIRED two semesters of German in the School of Chemistry and Physics, because so much of the technical literature was written in German.

German was abolished from the curricula.

I was speaking of societal standards. My point is that if a society is to survive there has to be control over what is dominant language of that society.

The practitioners of every language will want thing to be their way, AND in their language.

A society should not be reconstructed to the 'new kid'.


PEACE

Jim Chester
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Originally posted by James Wesley
A society should not be reconstructed to the 'new kid'.


I understand the argument being made here, clearly. However, we have not been discussing how school systems should educate "a" new kid. We are talking about the education of a swarm of children from linguistically and culturally diverse backgrounds who are flooding public schools in unprecedented numbers. Therefore, one cannot stubbornly insist that we ignore this reality by teaching in the old ways that are traditional and comfortable for us. Instead, we must adjust to these changes, as many schools have already done. With regard to the management of society in terms of their being a dominant language, I think we have a long ways to go before English language speakers become the language minority.
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Originally posted by James Wesley
A society should not be reconstructed to the 'new kid'.



I understand the argument being made here, clearly. However, we have not been discussing how school systems should educate "a" new kid. We are talking about the education of a swarm of children from linguistically and culturally diverse backgrounds who are flooding public schools in unprecedented numbers. Therefore, one cannot stubbornly insist that we ignore this reality by teaching in the old ways that are traditional and comfortable for us. Instead, we must adjust to these changes, as many schools have already done. With regard to the management of society in terms of their being a dominant language, I think we have a long ways to go before English language speakers become the language minority.---Rowe

I think you know I did not mean a single 'kid'. Nor did I say we 'teach in the old ways'.

There has always been a 'cry' that 'We are being 'inundated by foreigner'.

I did say the 'rule of immigration' is the first generation is lost.

I now submit that there is a good reason for that position. The responsibility to adapt rests with the immigrant, regardless of origin.

This is not saying society should not extend (openly) those benefits that intended to help.

But it does not mean a nation composed of immigrants takes on the persona of each new wave.

If insisting on maintaining the society is stubborn, I call it survival.


PEACE

Jim Chester
My children are the sole purpose of my life.

After experiencing our first child going from Kindergarten through fifth grade at a public school (Meeting both White Trash and negroified children). We decided to send them both to private Christian schools.

Though discipline does start at home, sending them into an unhealthy environment (my opinion is public schools are, in general, unhealthy) helps defeat your objectives.

Of course, Private schools are expensive ($900 a month), but they are our investment for the future. It has been a blessing since. And, despite the cost, it is worth it.

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