This is written by a good brother of mine, Ras Benjamin from another website.

It's ironic, what King Benjamin said is nothing New and has been said before! African Oppression must be stopped and it is TRUE that Arabs and Europeans, as they were in the past, directly implicated in the bondage of Africans.

The true religions of African people are VODUN, YORUBA, SANTERIA, KONGO and RASTAFARI!!
These are the Religions that fostered American and Caribbean African slaves Revolutions. Only through our truest religions, will we ever be liberated! For as long as we worship Europeans, we will be a lost people with no foundation, no goals, No self-determination...

Ras Benjamin wrote a very informative and well written piece. I'm pleased to share it with you on this board!!


AfroMan.


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THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SHEEP VERSUS A LION
by Ras Benjamin.


My experience as a BLACK African

I has been wondering why and how the African politics has come to lack any modicum of morality. It has been an excruciating task because one could not come up with a simple and straight explanation. From the pedestal of visionary politics as we knew it before the advent of the dubious Caucasians on the coasts of African continent to that of moral bankruptcy and by extension social annihilation, cultural destruction, religious duplicity and subsequently, political charlatanism. How did we get here? What role did religion play in this sobering but anxiety induced journey?

What History taught us is very instructive and might serve as a guide. For those who are willing to extricate themselves from the cocoon of fundamentalism, it is easier to see how Christianity and Islam have brought Africa in general to moral ruins as a prelude to social and political ruins. It is easier to see how new values that are at best hollow, have come to replace age long ones that value integrity and dignity. It is easier to see how lacks of consequence for heinous behaviours condoned by these foreign religions and their champions have ripped apart the core of our Africanness, communality and brotherhood, and turned us into adversaries.

For any student of history, not blinded by "faith" (the believe of what you cannot prove), the fact that the Christian missionaries came as the forerunners of their exploiting governments is incontestably, clear enough. It is also clear enough that the traditional African trust was exploited to prepare the ground for colonialism.

Diabolically using the bible, the white man claimed he was bringing "civilization" when indeed he was bringing exploitation. When they were found out and Africans tried to resist, the missionaries exposed the hidden gunpowder under their cassocks and took our lands.
The fact that Christianity is found in all parts of the world today is not as a result of its strength as a faith or religion. It is a religion that was spread with sword and built on blood. The followers of Christianity vindictively and mercilessly fought among themselves for several hundreds of years because they could not agree on what to believe and practice. Even, the battles over the contents of the Bible should be instructive given the diabolical use it has been put by those who strongly profess the faith.

In 771 AD Charlemagne (Charles the Great) became the sole ruler of Frankish (French) Kingdom after the death of his brother and joint ruler, Carloman. The following year, he subdued Saxony, forcefully converted it to Christianity and imposed tithes for the support of clergy, churches and the schools and reportedly the poor. A year later in 773 AD he annexed Lombard Kingdom and donated it to the Pope Hadrian I (died 795 AD). On December 25, 800 AD, Charlemagne who in 782 AD had executed 4,500 hostages at Verden, was installed as the first Holy Roman Emperor by Pope Leo III, in Rome.

That a Pope would sanction and validate a heinous crime and conscienceless criminal like this did say and still says a lot about Christianity. This murderous acts of Charlemagne in the name of the Bible and Christianity and sanctioned by the Church was a prelude to the Crusades that followed. The first Crusade (1096 -1104) started by Godfrey of Bouillon and Duke of Lorraine; the Second Crusade (1145-1147) proclaimed by Pope Eugene III; the Third Crusade (1189 - 1193) started by Richard I of England and the Fourth Crusade (1202-1204) championed by Boniface of Montferrari. This last one ended with the establishment of the Latin Empire in1204 AD.
Thus when the descendants of these depraved minds visited the coasts of Nigeria in the garb of missionaries, they had no intention of saving any soul. They had no intention of bringing any "civilization" because they were savages who came to destroy our own civilisations and cultures as attested to by history. This prepared the ground for what we are all witnessing today in our social, economic, political and cultural lives.
The Christian missionaries were not doing anything different from what the Mohammedans have also being doing since the days of Prophet Mohammed. Since 628 AD when Mohammed captured Mecca, it has always been about the political control of other peoples and their lands and resources. In 632 AD when Mohammed (regarded as the first Caliph) died, Medina became the seat of the Caliph. He was succeeded by his father -in-law, Abu Bekr, who in turn was succeeded by Omar, a very close adviser to Mohammed two years later. It was Omar who advanced the frontiers of the Caliph in the name of Islam by conquering Syria, Persia and Egypt. He also defeated Heraclius ("Holy War"). It was under Omar that the Mohammedans captured Gaza in 635 AD when they move the seat of the Caliph to Damascus.

Fifteen years later in 650 AD,(that is eighteen years after the death of Mohammed himself), Caliph Othman organized, in accordance with his own personal wish and understanding, the putting together of Mohammed's teachings into 114 chapters to make the Koran, the holy book of the faithfuls of Islam. By this time the whole of Mesopotamia have fallen under the political control of the Mohammedans. So, when Uthman Dan Fodio embarked on his Jihad in 1804 in the area now known as the North West of Nigeria, where I am from, he knew exactly what he was gunning for. It was all about the political control of the land, resources and trade. It had nothing to do with saving any soul.

It was all a ruse. Uthman Dan Fodio only used religion, this time Islam, as an instrument to deceive and rally those who would follow him into battles to kill others and take over their lands and resources. For about 200 years, the effect of this lies and deceit are still ricocheting through the body politick of Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Liberia, Tanzania etc. It would have been better if their real motive (which is political control) were not wrapped in the garb of having to save the souls that were never lost. There was nothing wrong in being a political warrior. But these religionists never had the candour to admit that they were carpetbaggers rather than "men of God."

What history has taught us from all these is that those behind these foreign religions are economic and political predators. They tried to convince us that our own traditional religions were inferior and should be discarded. African traditional religions were borne out of explicit practical experience unlike theirs that were based on half abstract and half experience. Our cultures were denigrated and theirs were sold as more authentic. But we now know that the reverse is the case. Now that we have local adherents of the foreign faiths they are all acting out like their dubious and diabolical masters, sponsors and their ancestors.

This is why it was easy for people like Tafawa Balewa the first prime Minister in Nigeria, who profess Islam to see nothing wrong in governing a nation into fratricidal crisis. This is why people like Ahmadu Bello who professed to Islam believes in annihilation of opposing view rather than tolerate them. It was why Mohammadu Buhari, "a man of Islamic faith" saw nothing wrong in tyranny and unjust persecution of innocents. It was why Ibrahim Babangida was able to swear falsely to Nigerians repeatedly and to his friends with the Koran and was still able to betray them without batting an eyelid. It was why Sani Abacha (The Worst dictator Nigeria ever knew) was able to get drunk endlessly, romp derangingly with prostitutes and visited destruction shameless on Nigeria while praying five times a day!

It is the same reason why Yakubu Gowon (Another President in Nigeria) who claimed to be a Christian was able to deceive Nigerians repeatedly about returning the country to civil rule and deliberately mismanage our resources without any conscience. It is the same reason why Olusegun Obasanjo (Current President) would consciencelessly engage in rigmarole to install Shehu Shagari while he claimed to be a Christian. It is why Theophilus Yakubu Danjuma would kill General Aguiyi Ironsi and Colonel Adekunle Fajuyi remorselessly and later down the line, personally supervise the murder of Mrs. Funmilayo Ransome-Kuti (Fela's mother) by having her thrown off the story building of her son's house, without any fear of repercussions.

Christianity and Islam have no means of punishing those who swear falsely and inflict damages on our psyche, even though they swore with Koran and the Bible. The reason for this could be traced to their origins, which had no true spiritual foundation as our traditional religions could lay claim to. But they always try to convince us that there would be some punishment for sinners in heaven (or is it hell?) that no one could empirically prove its existence. Meanwhile, they have been allowed a free reign to wreck the world and our lives for us! The purpose of Christianity and Islam was not spiritual but political and economical. This is what the history of their origin and spread has shown. It is why more and more people in here in Europe are staying off the churches while Islam continues to garner the image of murderous religion.

You would be signing your death warrant to swear falsely by Sango, Oya or Ogun in the real sense of it. These religions among several others in Yorubaland for example have no use for politics. They were and are still solely spiritual and moral, and are taken very seriously unlike the jokes that Bible and Koran have become. But the adherents of Christianity and Islam would want us to believe that our traditional religions were and still are idolatory. That they should be discarded. That Bible or Koran is it. That Ifa and others should not be listened to and should be ignored. They coined "paganism" to describe us because we do not share their lies and deceits.
Lloyd M. Graham in his DECEPTIONS AND MYTHS OF THE BIBLE wrote "the Bible is not 'the word of God' but a steal from pagan sources. Its Eden, including Adam and Eve, were taken from the Babylonian account; its Flood and Deluge is but an epitome of some four hundred flood accounts; its Ark and Ararat have their equivalents in a score of Deluge myths; even the names of Noah's sons are copies, so also were Isaac's sacrifice, Solomon's judgement, and Samson's pillar act. Moses is fashioned after the Syrian Mises; the laws after Hammurabi's code..." And Please, let us not forget how King James gathered some loyal intellectuals in Canterbury to write his own version of the Bible.

That the adherents of these faiths, Christianity and Islam, have used them to cause so much pain, misery and sadness for the entire human race is very instructive about the true intentions of their founders - to politically control others and their resources and if they resist, kill them. What their sentries in Nigeria are doing is not different whether they are Mallams, Sheiks, Imams or Reverends, Bishops or Archbishops. They keep preaching and convincing everyone to work towards the kingdom of Heaven while they all revel and enjoy the Kingdom of the world at the expense of the rest of us. They set us against each other while they help themselves to our resources and tax money. They preach that we pay tithes, so that they could concentrate on the "work of God." They ride around in mercedes benz cars while their "sheep" (yes , sheep, they never referred to their followers as "lions" or "tigers" because the sheep is a stupid animal) wander around endlessly on tired limbs. The Bishops and the Imams were never in the forefront of the struggles against want, poverty, squalor, oppression., dictatorship and tyranny. When some of them were involved, it was timidly. When they created schools, they used them as instruments of indoctrination. They used the schools to give us what Bob Marley described as "brainwash education to make us the fools." When they created hospitals, they used them only as instruments of control and dominance to force us to abandon our traditional faiths and ways of life.

Could anyone have imagined the leader of Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs in Nigeria, the Emir of Sokoto during the June 12 crisis, Alhaji Ibrahim Dasuki calling the annulment "an act of God"? Where is the morality in that? This is in no way different from the roles played by the Papacy during the Hitleric years when Jews were slaughtered like goats. It only confirms what one has been trying to put across that those religions have no spiritual basis hence their lacking in morality. Christianity and Islam have always been about political control of others and their resources. They have always been about worldly materials and not heavenly gifts. They have never been about right and wrong. Neither have they seriously ever been about any kingdom in heaven because they all know it is non- existent. This is why Peter Tosh sang the tune "everyone wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die." Not even the Imams and the Archbishops who preach endlessly about it.

The only two religions that ever traded in human beings were Christianity and Islam. They only became abolition champions when slave trade became unprofitable. Christians and Muslims are the ones who traded in human beings across tribes, across continents. Look at those who fled Europe for religious persecution to come to North America. Look at how they killed the American Indians mercilessly as they were dispossessed of their land. Look at the Christians who imposed themselves on South Africa. Recall how they mercilessly and repeatedly killed harmless Africans who sought to be human beings. Recall how they exploited the people. Yet these are the people who claim superior civilisation based on Christian religion. If they considered themselves savages and acted as such what would the world have been like? Mere imagining such possibilities could drive anyone insane!

The point here is that time has come for people to think outside the box if they have any intention of not being spectators in this world. Yes, life is short. Yes, we all would die one day. But this is not enough reason why we should live our lives in want and misery while the so-called religious leaders help themselves to our wealth and resources. It does not explain why the Christian and Muslim leaders should be allowed to continue to collaborate with our oppressors to help themselves to our resources and politically manipulate and control us. We can not continue to knock our heads against the grounds in the mosques and churches in the name of prayer while our lives and the future of our children are being mortgaged by the dubious Christian and Muslim leaders in league with our exploiters. It has to be realised that we have this world that we are very certain of, to live before it would be the turn of a heaven that could not be guaranteed.

Since 1999, Obasanjo (President of Nigeria) has been shouting on the rooftops that he is a "born again." This indeed should arouse more suspicion than trust and confidence. It seemed that there is a functional relationship between these religions professed by our rulers in Africa and the social, economic and political ruins they have brought to bear on our people and country. Those who instituted bribery in our culture are Muslims and Christians. It is their mosques and churches that take donations from these rogues. It is their churches and mosques that validate their crimes. It is their churches and mosques that provide sanctuary for these criminals. May be it is time to resort to basics, go back to our roots and begin to rely on our indigenous culture. Through, that, we may be able to find our lost ways and bring sanity to bear on our polity for the sake of posterity.

[This message was edited by Afroman on June 28, 2003 at 01:16 AM.]
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Christianity was never meant to be only the white man's religion. It was corrupted to allow such crimes as slavery and genocide to go unpunished.

God never said this was the way to introduce Christianity to the world.

"The only two religions that ever traded in human beings were Christianity and Islam."

 

To this day we have sincere and well-intentioned folks defending the institutional side of these predatory politcal religions

 

Brotha Jalil wrote:  "The only two religions that ever traded in human beings were Christianity and Islam."

 

  Don't forget the Jews my brotha.  They sold slaves too.  So that's three religions:  Christianity, Islam and Judah. But!  

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

Brotha Jalil wrote:  "The only two religions that ever traded in human beings were Christianity and Islam."

 

  Don't forget the Jews my brotha.  They sold slaves too.  So that's three religions:  Christianity, Islam and Judah. But!  

No doubt, the Jews plus the other two brand name Abrahamic religions. I saw this in the archives and liked that it is written from a native African view. 

Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

This thread is 11 years old!

 

But I guess someone has to keep the white supremacist frame going.

 

White supremacist? I checked it. Maybe not born in Africa. The writer looks to be a Rasta from Jamaica. No harm, good article IMHO.

Seriously, this needs to stop. How can we condemn white racists for demonizing all blacks when we do the same to others? There are criminals who happen to be black. Is it right or even true to assume all blacks are criminals? What about blacks who happen to be Christian or Muslim? Are they criminals, too? These types of global or absolute pronouncements, in reference to human beings, are inherently false!

 

1. Red flags should automatically be raised when someone feels compelled to promote a belief at the expense of another or to build one's beliefs up by tearing down another. For example, an Atheist can state why he or she does not believe in God without insulting the beliefs of those who do. Unfortunately, too many Atheists (in my experience) feel the need to insult those who believe in God, which makes them come across as bigoted and crass.

 

2. Most Arabs are black! Not all Arabs are Muslim.

 

3. The majority of Muslims do not live in the Middle East!

 

4. I have a Bible and a Quran, in my possession, nearby. Neither Islam nor Christianity promotes or condones slavery. Do you honestly believe Jesus or Prophet Muhammad would have been in favor of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade?

 

People were (and still are) involved in the slave trade, not religions. People used religion as an excuse to enslave their fellow human beings. The Book of Revelation talks about those claiming they are one thing but are not but are in the house of Satan. These are lying hypocrites. This is really important: Most people during the time of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade were illiterate. They could not read the Bible any more than they could read the Quran. This allowed wicked people to deliberately misinterpret spiritual texts and use them to mislead the masses. Nowadays, there are more literate people than in the past. However, in this day and age, too many people are too lazy to find the truth out for themselves. They would rather be spoon-fed information, even if it is falsehoods and half-truths. 

 

5. In tarnishing Islam and Christianity, the author completely glossed over some of the unpleasant aspects of traditional African religious beliefs. Africa is a gigantic continent. Before Europeans arrived, there were many tribes and many spiritual belief systems. It wasn't only the five listed. Note that Christianity is a relatively new religion in Africa. The author, I noticed, didn't mention that female genital mutilation is practiced within the religions he cited; although, female genital mutilation is NOT a religious practice but a cultural one. Also, in some African tribes, you don't want to be accused of having brought an evil spirit into the community or be accused of being possessed by an evil spirit.

 

Then there is this horrific human tragedy going on (mainly in Tanzania):

http://www.npr.org/2012/11/30/...ant-threat-of-attack

 

Remember, people in glass houses should not throw stones. 

 

More info about religions in Africa:

http://www.sahistory.org.za/af...traditional-religion

http://exploringafrica.matrix....um/m14/activity2.php

 

6. Finally, the meaning of Islam is 'entire submission to the will of God.' In other words, anyone who submits to the will of (the-true-not-made-up-by-foolish-or-evil-people) God and obeys His (true-not-made-up-by-foolish-or-evil-people) law is by definition a Muslim, regardless of whether that person claims himself or herself to be a Christian, Jew, Yoruban, Rastafarian, etc. In this sense, Islam is not a religion at all but a way of life. How people go about practicing Islam (or any other religion for that matter) is a whole different story altogether. 

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

This thread is 11 years old!

 

But I guess someone has to keep the white supremacist frame going.

 

How is his telling the truth about what religions [foreign] religions have did to Africa and the Black race 'keeping white supremacist frame going'?  

 

It seems to me that the world's "three major religions" are what is keeping the White supremacist frame going".

 

 

The Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade took place across the Atlantic Ocean from the 16th through to the 19th centuries. The vast majority of slaves transported to the New World wereAfricans from the central and western parts of the continent, sold by Africans to European slave traders who then transported them to North and South America. The numbers were so great that Africans who came by way of the slave trade became the most numerous Old-World immigrants in both North and South America before the late 18th century.[1] The South Atlantic economic system centered on making goods and clothing to sell in Europe and increasing the numbers of African slaves brought to the New World. This was crucial to those European countries which, in the late seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, were vying with each other to create overseas empires.[2]

 

The Portuguese were the first to engage in the New World slave trade, and others soon followed. Slaves were considered cargo by the ship owners, to be transported to the Americas as quickly and cheaply as possible,[2] there to be sold to labour in coffee, tobacco, cocoa, cotton and sugar plantations, gold and silver mines, rice fields, construction industry, cutting timber for ships, and as house servants. The first Africans imported to the English colonies were also called "indentured servants" or "apprentices for life". By the middle of the 17th century, they and their offspring were legally the property of their owners. As property, they were merchandise or units of labour, and were sold at markets with other goods and services.

 

The Atlantic slave traders, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and the Americans. They had established outposts on the African coast where they purchased slaves from local African tribal leaders.[3] Current estimates are that about 12 million were shipped across the Atlantic,[4] although the actual number purchased by the traders is considerably higher.[5][6][7]

The slave trade is sometimes called the Maafa by African and African-American scholars, meaning "great disaster" in Swahili. Some scholars, such as Marimba Ani and Maulana Karenga, use the terms "African Holocaust" or "Holocaust of Enslavement".[8]

 

The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western AsiaNorth AfricaSoutheast Africa, the Horn of Africa and certain parts of Europe(such as Iberia and Sicily) during their period of domination by Arab leaders. The trade was focused on the slave markets of the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa. People traded were not limited to a certain race, ethnicity, or religion.[1]

During the 8th and 9th centuries of the Fatimid Caliphate, most of the slaves were Europeans (called Saqaliba) captured along European coasts and during wars.[2] However, slaves were drawn from a wide variety of regions and included Mediterranean peoples, Persians, peoples from the Caucasus mountain regions (such as GeorgiaArmenia andCircassia) and parts of Central Asia and ScandinaviaEnglishDutch and Irish, Berbers from North Africa, and various  other peoples of varied origins as well as those of African origins.

 

Like their Christian and Muslim neighbors, the Jewish people historically owned and traded in slaves. In the middle ages, Jews were minimally involved in slave trade.[1] During the 1490s, trade with the New World began to open up. At the same time, the monarchies of Spain and Portugal expelled all of their Jewish subjects. Several scholarly works have been published[2] to rebut the antisemitic canard of Jewish domination of the slave trade in Medieval Europe, Africa, and/or the Americas,[3][4][5][6] and that Jews had no major or continuing impact on the history of New World slavery.[5][6][7][8] They possessed far fewer slaves than non-Jews in every British territory in North America and the Caribbean, and in no period did they play a leading role as financiers, shipowners, or factors in the transatlantic or Caribbean slave trades.[9]

It is currently known that American mainland colonial Jews played a merely proportionate role in the importation of slaves from Africa and a marginal role as slave sellers, although their involvement in the Brazilian and Caribbean trade is believed to be considerably more significant.[10] Jason H. Silverman, a historian of slavery, describes the part of Jews in slave trading in the southern United states as "minuscule", and writes that the historical rise and fall of slavery in the United States would not have been affected at all had there been no Jews living in the American South.[11] Jews accounted for 1.25% of all Southern slave owners, and were not significantly different from other slave owners in their treatment of slaves.[11]

 

  It is no secret that Atlantic Slave Trade was fueled by Christian slavers from Europe and Arab Slavers from North Africa and the Middle East  who were Muslim and the Jewish slavers.  I am not going repeat myself regarding the religion aspects of all three because it can be researched on the internet. However these three religions are responsible for the slavery of Africans.  And that's the bottom line.  But!  

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Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

This thread is 11 years old!

 

But I guess someone has to keep the white supremacist frame going.

 

How is his telling the truth about what religions [foreign] religions have did to Africa and the Black race 'keeping white supremacist frame going'?  

 

It seems to me that the world's "three major religions" are what is keeping the White supremacist frame going".

 

 

Only white supremacists are keeping white supremacy going. There are whites in all three of those religions.   The racist ones don't treat the black members in those religions any better than black non-members. The problem is that whites have all of the power and wealth. Let's place the blame where it lies: With a small group of people lacking melanin. They've hijacked and corrupted all three of those religions. And Jesus wasn't white!  

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Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

This thread is 11 years old!

 

But I guess someone has to keep the white supremacist frame going.

 

How is his telling the truth about what religions [foreign] religions have did to Africa and the Black race 'keeping white supremacist frame going'?  

 

It seems to me that the world's "three major religions" are what is keeping the White supremacist frame going".

 

 

You cannot tell the "truth" about white supremacy using the fictional framework that was produced BY white supremacy. 

 

Let's place the blame where it lies: With a small group of people lacking melanin. They've hijacked and corrupted all three of those religions.

No argument from me on this.

We've been teaching this for years (approx 80 or so) but there are still people who will 'fill in the blanks' concerning the actual history of religious and cultural developments with what makes for an easier argument (i.e. the 3 major religions are all foreign to Africa-therefore we need to reject it and be in opposition to it etc). 

 

And then there's the problem of Romanticism among revolutionaries (including but not limited to Black people).   

 

 

Originally Posted by Kocolicious:

  And since ALL three religions consider their cultures WHITE!  Well...you know the story...but!

 

white people considered their culture to be proper and redefined the religious cultural, icons and avatars as white.

 

We then use their (white supremacist) re-definition as a starting point to combat the white supremacy they introduced.  The result is confusion over who and/or what to target and why.

 

 

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I believe it is important to not look at the condition of the world as it is today and then conclude it was that way in the past. Islam, Christianity, Judaism are not exactly the same as they were in the past. They definitely are not the same as they were in the beginning. I recall reading somewhere (have to dig it up) that Prophet Mohammad stated (when he was alive) that Islam would be corrupted within 300 years. Christianity has been corrupted. So has Judaism. These were not white (European)-culture based religions. How could they be when their place of origin was the Middle-East? If you believe (like I do) that Jesus was black, it becomes even more absurd to believe that these religions are white-culture based.

 

Whites are the minority on this plant. They have always been the minority. Long before colonialism, the majority of the people who lived in the region presently called the Middle East were black, not white. Again, how can these religions be white-culture based? 

 

Islam and Judaism believe that Jesus was a prophet of God. Early Christians also believed that Jesus was a prophet of God. Not only that, they believed Jesus was mortal and the son of Joseph and Mary (the same belief as Muslims and Jews). Various decrees from the Council of Nicea, followed up with burnings (of people and Biblical text), forced (white) Christians to adopt and support the false notion of the divinity of Jesus (which, in turn, they forced on indigenous populations). The whole issue of the Council of Nicea and its wicked deeds is a long story. I'll let you read about it yourself or you can wait until they air it again on the History Channel. 

 

The point is MAN has corrupted religion. Specifically, a certain MAN has corrupted these religions. Religions did not and cannot corrupt themselves. MAN did this. The corruption of Christianity has everything to do with covering up Jesus's true nature (black prophet) and hiding the truth about whites. Who do you think God, in the Bible, was speaking of when he told Abraham that his seed would be in a strange land for 400 years as slaves? 

 

In Islam, from what I understand, it is believed that God gave the Bible to the people called Christians; God gave the Torah to the people called Jews, and God gave the Quran to the Muslims. The most important take-away in these spiritual books is that God always sends a prophet to a wicked people to warn them to change their evil ways or risk God's chastisement. Also, God always comes on behalf of the oppressed people. Well, if you are a powerful white racist, you would want to hide or suppress that bit of information, would you? How? Just make everyone think that everyone in those books are white.

 

None of these religions in their pure form advocate human beings mistreating other human beings because of their race, gender, etc. In all of those religions, doing so will cause you to be eventually chastised by God. Of course, if you are a white supremacist, you will feel that you are exempt or exceptional (above God's law) and continue to mistreat your fellow human beings.

 

Yes, white supremacy is alive and well on this planet. It has permeated ALL aspects of life on this planet: religions, history, everything! The original people in Africa can take back their continent and take full control of their destiny if they want. But it will not happen until they become united and stop swallowing the racist Kool-Aide. 

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

This thread is 11 years old!

 

But I guess someone has to keep the white supremacist frame going.

 

Wait, I get it, you want to give a free pass and exclude Arabs and/or Muslims from the slave trade. Including them = a Neo-Nazi white supremacist view?! Sorry, they were all involved. Taking a pass on revisionist history.

As for the Big 3 religions, there was a time when each was spiritually alive and shone with truth. Institutional religions are about spirit n the past. Spirituality is about spirit in the present.  Religions devolve due to the war-god mind. They become about politics. Secular rulers wage war wearing the mask of prophets. Julius August Caesar (count the letters in each name 6,6,6,) wearing the mask of Christ is white supremacy. The Arabs and Jews do it too. No free passes. The Big 3 do not worship God. They each worship their own war god. They worship idols, not the Supreme. They all end up being infidels, liars and revisionists. 

 

Wait, I get it, you want to give a free pass and exclude Arabs and/or Muslims from the slave trade.

 

 

I guess someday people will actually read what I write and post here, but I'll try again for umpteenth time.  I have no interest in giving anybody a pass on anything.  However, that "non-pass" status is NOT a license to make up or rewrite history, based on suspicion or for the sake of an easy argument. 

 

@EarthAndSky...i agree.

Brotha Jalil wrote:  

Wait, I get it, you want to give a free pass and exclude Arabs and/or Muslims from the slave trade. Including them = a Neo-Nazi white supremacist view?! Sorry, they were all involved. Taking a pass on revisionist history.

As for the Big 3 religions, there was a time when each was spiritually alive and shone with truth. Institutional religions are about spirit n the past. Spirituality is about spirit in the present.  Religions devolve due to the war-god mind. They become about politics. Secular rulers wage war wearing the mask of prophets. Julius August Caesar (count the letters in each name 6,6,6,) wearing the mask of Christ is white supremacy. The Arabs and Jews do it too. No free passes. The Big 3 do not worship God. They each worship their own war god. They worship idols, not the Supreme. They all end up being infidels, liars and revisionists.

 

  I totally agree.  Unfortunately there are still those who believe that the creation of those religions had nothing to do with slavery.  And are completely BRAINWASHED into minimizing the dogmas that has completely destroyed any chance of resurrection for the continent of Africa.  Anytime you have an institution that uses its propaganda and myth to dismantle the socialization and civilization of a people[whose culture built the foundation for the world] and justify it by the pointing to an invisible God in the sky while MURDERING and MAIMING the innocents?  Well...it's easy to observe what happens.

 

See?  My brotha!  The difference with me?  Is I don't listen to them. Cuz these are the SAME ones who wlll ignore what is currently happening around them and turn a blind eye.    I'm sooooooooooo used to seeing them on stage on in public spewing their ignorance for attention while subliminal trying to forcibly minimize the TRUTH while maximizing their hypothesis based on RHETORIC!!  Cuz the truth is our people are dying whlle the arrogance of others stand on the podium screaming the sky is green while the blood of our people spatters around the world.  I have learn to continue to focus on my contribution to  the journey [of human freedom] that others set before me i.e Harriet Tubman, Sojourner Truth.etc cuz that's REAL. This other stuff?  Is just a distraction,  And it is THIS distraction [from our OWN people]  that continues to DELAY [but not STOP] our destination.  Pitiful. By the way just so folks won't get it TWISTED lemme repeat this again for clarity....I DON'T believe in the Bible, Quran.. or the Talmud.  These are all male religions that has historically THROWN women and children UNDER the bus.     But!    

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Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

Wait, I get it, you want to give a free pass and exclude Arabs and/or Muslims from the slave trade.

 

 

I guess someday people will actually read what I write and post here, but I'll try again for umpteenth time.  I have no interest in giving anybody a pass on anything.  However, that "non-pass" status is NOT a license to make up or rewrite history, based on suspicion or for the sake of an easy argument. 

 

@EarthAndSky...i agree.

 

Even Christians admit their part in Slavery, the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, and some even admit Christians crimes against humanity.

 

I don't understand, why you have such a problem with admitting that Arab Slave trade either existed the same say that the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade did and it's crimes against humanity and it's crimes against Black Africans in their own countries on their own continent.  None-Black people were not always in Africa anymore than White people have always been in North America.  

 

The Arab Slave Trade existed and still does and it was predominately Black people that they enslaved and in some Arab countries they are still enslaving Black people today.  Noting that Arabs also enslaved other races of people does not negate the fact that it was predominately Black people that Arabs enslaved.  And when I say "Arabs" I mean the people not indigenous to the African continent, but who migrated into northern Africa centuries ago.  

 

I know that technically, "Arab" denotes a nationality and not a race.

 

However, even the fact that [only] Black people, Africans, are still being held as slaves in certain "Arab" countries lets you know that it is also racial and racist.

 

The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was not initially racial, it became racial. 

 

[And, don't think because I don't agree with you or cannot either see or understand your point of view, that I in any way mean it as a personal attack on you as an individual, or that I don't respect your knowledge, opinions or perspectives on so many things].

Originally Posted by sunnubian:
Originally Posted by Muhammad Cipher:

Wait, I get it, you want to give a free pass and exclude Arabs and/or Muslims from the slave trade.

 

 

I guess someday people will actually read what I write and post here, but I'll try again for umpteenth time.  I have no interest in giving anybody a pass on anything.  However, that "non-pass" status is NOT a license to make up or rewrite history, based on suspicion or for the sake of an easy argument. 

 

@EarthAndSky...i agree.

 

Even Christians admit their part in Slavery, the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, and some even admit Christians crimes against humanity.

 

I don't understand, why you have such a problem with admitting that Arab Slave trade either existed the same say that the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade did and it's crimes against humanity and it's crimes against Black Africans in their own countries on their own continent.  None-Black people were not always in Africa anymore than White people have always been in North America.  

 

The Arab Slave Trade existed and still does and it was predominately Black people that they enslaved and in some Arab countries they are still enslaving Black people today.  Noting that Arabs also enslaved other races of people does not negate the fact that it was predominately Black people that Arabs enslaved.  And when I say "Arabs" I mean the people not indigenous to the African continent, but who migrated into northern Africa centuries ago.  

 

I know that technically, "Arab" denotes a nationality and not a race.

 

However, even the fact that [only] Black people, Africans, are still being held as slaves in certain "Arab" countries lets you know that it is also racial and racist.

 

The Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was not initially racial, it became racial.

 

I'm not getting what history is being "re-written" by stating particular facts.   

 

[And, don't think because I don't agree with you or cannot either see or understand your point of view, that I in any way mean it as a personal attack on you as an individual, or that I don't respect your knowledge, opinions or perspectives on so many things].

 

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