The Case for Repatriation: Revisited

bro, your odds would be better with a florida lottery ticket.

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Originally posted by soul_doctor73:
I know there is much conversation about 'reparations', but I want to be 'free' of america and all her influence. The 'where' is not so big as the 'how'. In order to be 'free', I need to be self-sufficent, and they have to pay for that. Not millions of 'dollars'. That is american money. Just a few hundred thousand in gold that can easily be traded for necessities to establish myself independantly. Away from american soil. With enough people, a class action suit would be the way to go.

So any repatriation seekers out there?

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If you have enough millions to sue why don't you use it to improve your life as it is. Or your plans hasn't been thought through that far yet.

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i took Henry's use of the term, "millions", to mean "resources". and invest the resources in afro-american enterprises and offer us some real economic opportunity if you desire to improve your lot as well. but the question you must answer is whether afro-americans worth it.

Because, as I plainly stated, I do not want to STAY here. I want no PART of america. Not her money, and certainly not to improve my life here.

This isn't about money. It's about life and right. Repatriation is not for people who want to remain american. This is me putting my desire into action by rejecting everything american, including my slave name, and cultural identity as an african-'american'.

The discussion is not about my strategy nor my chance at success. I have no fear of losing and it won't cost me a dime. If this were a gamble, mocove, I wouldn't bet.

It's a sure fire thing. So it's not for africans who like what they are and have no issue with remaining the same.

It's time to put up or shut up. I'm putting up.

sd

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Originally posted by soul_doctor73:

I know there is much conversation about 'reparations', but I want to be 'free' of america and all her influence. The 'where' is not so big as the 'how'.

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It seems difficult to ask someone their position on "repatriation" without at least some semblance of a plan or idea. Clearly, there are situations outside of America that are far worse than what we experience. Are we leaving just to leave, or are we leaving to in some meaningful ways advance our lives and our futures?

So, where should we go? How are we to get there? How are we going to generate a "host" country for us? What's going to be "in it" for them to accept us? Let's presume that money is allocated by the government for this purpose. Then what? I'm not necessarily asking for a fully fleshed-out plan, just your current thoughts?


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that is less than the one you are capable of living. - Mandela

ok, SoulDoctor', pls take the gun from the head. you've got to be tougher that this!

visit tuskegee, alabama. by all means, take it the views of its acreage and the architechtural beauty of that pepper the university campus, including the sistas. it's all ours! bought, built, and cultivated by afro-american.

too many of our ppl walked off prized land for a better life in the north, midwest, and west. few realized such happiness.

btw, i think you might compromise your legal standing to bring such a suit by giving up your citizenship. but i don't know.

you must lose this hopelessness banter though. invest in some bungalow on the mediterranean if you must, but don't give up on the welfare of our ppl. we need more selfless ppl like you for our betterment.

stay strong

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Originally posted by mocove:
ok, SoulDoctor', pls take the gun from the head. you've got to be tougher that this!

visit tuskegee, alabama. by all means, take it the views of its acreage and the architechtural beauty of that pepper the university campus, including the sistas. it's all ours! bought, built, and cultivated by afro-american.

too many of our ppl walked off prized land for a better life in the north, midwest, and west. few realized such happiness.

btw, i think you might compromise your legal standing to bring such a suit by giving up your citizenship. but i don't know.

you must lose this hopelessness banter though. invest in some bungalow on the mediterranean if you must, but don't give up on the welfare of our ppl. we need more selfless ppl like you for our betterment.

stay strong

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It's more about the now instead of then, mocove. What you say is 'ours', we have no legal claim to. Just because we built it doesn't mean the government acknowledges that.

As for compromising my 'suit', there is about as much chance of my 'giving up' my citizen ship legally excluding me from having to pay taxes as it would compromise my legal standing. The point is, it is a personal rejection. I want to go to court in order to make it official.

I posted my reasons for this at my site. I read Willie Lynch's 'Origin and development of a social being called the Negro', and was repulsed with what I recognized as traits of myself. I was offended to see how I've lived my life just as I was trained to courtesy of Willie Lynch. Check the link. Read my reply to Christ Tuckers announcement for what you perceive as my 'hopelessness'. Maybe it will light your fire as well.

http://groups.msn.com/F-R-E-E-D-O-M-/thefrontline.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=96&LastModified=4675455285937275663

MBM: I've contemplated the questions you've asked, and I am formulating a 'plan' of sorts, beginning with 'where'. Firstly, modern day jews are imposters and the land they inhabit is rightfully ours and I have proof. But that is a bridge to cross when it arrives on the horizon.

In the mean time, I will answer your questions more in depth later.

Peace

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Originally posted by MBM:
It seems difficult to ask someone their position on "repatriation" without at least some semblance of a plan or idea. Clearly, there are situations outside of America that are far worse than what we experience. Are we leaving just to leave, or are we leaving to in some meaningful ways advance our lives and our futures?

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It is certainly about advancing 'our' lives and future separate and independant of the country that first enslaved us. We have been here for so long it is 'normal' to think of ourselves as belonging here. I am no longer comfortable being associated with something that does not represent my beliefs, my ideals, or my lifestyle. Americans are hated by everyone except themselves because americans are so self concerned. Personally, it is my intention to set the record straight. To let the world know that we slave decendants are not 'americans' by nature or choice but by circumstance. We did not 'voluntarily' immigrate to this country, therefore let us , and if need be, involuntarily separate ourselves from them.

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So, where should we go? How are we to get there? How are we going to generate a "host" country for us? What's going to be "in it" for them to accept us? Let's presume that money is allocated by the government for this purpose. Then what? I'm not necessarily asking for a fully fleshed-out plan, just your current thoughts?

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A host country would not be so significant once the process began. International news sources would probably herald our cause regardless. Some country, somewhere is likely to open their gates to us. But it is my informed opinion that we will be able to reclaim the lands that are ours by right. A class action suit I suspect would bring a significant number of litigants if they believed their futures to be secure once they leave this place. But I am not motivated by my desire for a 'better' life, but for my right *to* life. A life of my choosing, and not limited to that of my captors.

We have a western mentality, mbm, and your questions are based on that. My mentality has changed as well as my perspective, and I believe a complete reset is in order for those who would participate. So I suppose some sort of limiting factor would have to be in place. To prevent things like families moving their entire estates with them, or 'wealthy' families moving in and establishing themselves over everyone else. It would have to be equal and even in every way for all.

Maybe my principles of F.R.E.E.D.O.M.? It would be pointless to take the african out of america, but not the american out of the african. I've divested myself of the false notion that I am an american. Now, I want to make it official.

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Isn't there a suit already filed in federal court by Cochran? Filing a second might be seen by the court as frivolous. Why not wait?

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

Yep! Let's wait for 'em all to relocate on MARS!! Hope they don't destroy the EARTH completely before they go. Then we will have waited for naught!!

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There are currently two teams filing in courts for reparations, The Cochran Firm and Deadria Farmer-Paellman. I read Mr. Cochran's book "A Lawyer's Life" and he discusses his reparations lawsuit. He expressed a desire to work together with Ms. Farmer-Paellman or any other lawyers so that they can be on the same page. I think that's an excellent idea. Unity and the limitless resources that these lawyer teams have would be able to access from a unified stand would move this process along a lot faster in my opinion.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965

Jim, Yssys, this is REPATRIATION. Restoration to one's native land. Not 'reparations'. Not reimbursment for labor previously provided. For all I care, they can have that labor, everything we built, and all the memories. Just send me home. I want a one way ticket out of this joint. On the next thing going if it's possible.

Repatriation allows for us to establish our own identity and nationality. It is a return to OUR ways, not a payment for what was done to us. I am so far beyond monetary concerns. Reparations is for those who wish to remain behind in the united states as american citizens. Repatriation is for those who want to leave.

I find most african americans are only concerned with themselves, and reparations is the epitomy of self because every'one' gets paid and can spend 'their' american money any way they see fit and put it right back into american coffers. Senseless and Greedy. Irresponsible also, because the young will not be compensated for their being here. Only the adults. Only the ones who can 'get' the money.

Repatriation is for those who desire freedom. No need to be 'wealthy'. No need to work for money. No need for careers and educational systems to promote them. True freedom. Freedom to dream. Freedom to live and be. Freedom for our children to be children.

Maybe it is just that I am angry after finding myself 'lynched' after all this time. It did make me angry to know that my mentality, the mentality of most black men my age, and consequently women, was shape by willie lynch pragmatisms.

I wanted to vomit when I realized that I had absolutely no control over my life. Even the little I thought I had, my choice of career, education, the basic things individuals take pride in as accomplishments were provided for me by my captors, and my blind eyes could not see that I was doing just what they wanted me to do. Just as I had been trained to.

Just as we continue to do today. Some of you need to take stock of your surroundings and recognize your slavery for what it is. It ain't called the american 'dream' for nothing. Only slumberers dream, and african americans are completely vegetative.

Mindless slaves working for the man, never realizing that the man has never let us go. He just switched tactics. I'm here to say that I am no longer fooled by civil 'rights', 'affirmative' action, american 'justice' and 'equality'.

Political catch phrases to keep you placated. If the american government *really* wanted to settle the issue of african americans and secure their labor for the rest of american history, give them reparations. The fools don't even realize they could buy every single african american for chump change.

Except me. The moment I find out they will issue reparation checks will be the day I catch a plane and leave sleeping dogs where they lie. Even if my repatriation case is still pending.

I would leave now, but it is the principle of the matter. I was cheated out of my life, and now I want it back. I don't want a tenth of what reparations would be worth. I don't want any part of reparations. There can be no reconciliation with my captors. Not while I must bow to their will.

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Joining is good.

Leaving I'm not.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

Reserve a seat, but decline to fly? No, I don't think so Jim.

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it was once said by and african scholar,"The relationship between america and her ex slaves, is like that of a rejected lover" Meaning no matter what is done to the ex slave the still desire to be excepted by the ex slavemasters.

"I AM BECAUSE WE ARE"

Soul_doctor what good are you going to do anybody by running from your problems? There are going to be problems wherever you go. Even bigger ones than you face now, take my word for it. Where are you going to go? Africa, you must be joking. Look around you and see how many Africans live in the US. In Africa there are millions of people that think like you than are patriotic. They eat, sleep and every breath they take is on leaving their country to come to yours.

I really don't think the solution to our problems are what you are articulating, as black people we already have a motherland which is the second biggest continent and it is richly and greatly endowed. The problem is how to make it work for our benefit. It is not working because believe it or not many of us have a defeatish attitude as well as always looking to the white man for a hand out. Before you say you are not looking for a hand out, ask yourself what would you do if you do not get any money for this repatriation? Stay where you are or you would rapatriate youself voluntarily with no money in your pocket. Examine yourself and your motives carefully before making any move because it can save you a lot of pain and misery.

If I were you I would take a cue from the Jews (who incidentally have gone through far worse than what black people are currently going through) and learn a few lessons on how they have handled things.

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Henry, I'm afraid your comparison of slave trafficking with modern 'jews' is laughable. The 'jewish' holocaust consisted of 2 million plus 'jews'. There are at least 15 million african corpses in the Mid Atlantic. Not to mention the countless slaves who survived the transit, only to be killed by slave masters.

Were I you, I would not deign to offer advice when you lack knowledge concerning the subject at hand. It would not be 'repatriation' if there were no funds involved. The restoration would take money, and they would be obligated to pay for it. But if you think this is about 'money', much of what I've said in this post has failed to impress my perspective upon you.

I've endured pain and misery and this is the culmination of my attempt to rid myself of it. I definitely intend to leave, but not before distancing the american image from my own. I suppose though, in attempting to relate my motivations I have possibly confused you. My concerns with the future are not similar to yours. My motivations are not the same as yours. We are not alike in mind, henry38, so for you to suggest I 'examine my motives' would be for me to 'see things your way', and regress to a comfort level I have long ago left behind.

You do not have to 'agree' with me, nor do you have to join my 'crusade', but this IS the result of my careful examinations. Those people who want to leave their country for this one are similarly motivated by desires I do not hold myself. To each his own. I am simply looking for more who feel as I do.

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Originally posted by soul_doctor73:
Henry, I'm afraid your comparison of slave trafficing with modern 'jews' is laughable. The 'jewish' holocaust consisted of 2 million plus 'jews'. There are at least 15 million african corpses in the Mid Atlantic. Not to mention the countless slaves who survived the transit, only to be killed by slave masters.

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No soul-doctor it is your lack of knowledge about history which is laughable. Check your facts and you would find the Jews have been in and out of being slaves from their very birth as a Nation which is a period of nearly 4500 years. What you know of black history is mostly stereotypical bull crap fed you by the white man. Let me tell you NOW the only time black people have EVER been slaves was during the triangular slave trade that resulted in OUR CURRENT crises as black people. We had NEVER EVER been slaves or been down trodden so please learn a bit more of your history before taking me on about it. What happened in the last 500 years is not OUR WHOLE HISTORY as the black race and what happened to us does not compare with that of what other people (JEWS) that have suffered slavery and degradation for millennia.

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Were I you, I would not deign to offer advice when you lack knowledge concerning the subject at hand.

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Why do you say that? I consider myself an expert on the subject. Unlike you I have been involved with this subject for years and unlike you have put together plans, formula and plans to tackle the problem. Unlike you I have had both African leaders and western black people look at these plans and they all think it is workable if it can be implemented. Further more you are talking about things when you obviously has NEVER set foot in Africa, what type of general does that make you if this was a war situation? I on the other hand know everything I need too know about you as well as live and breath Africa. As if that were not enough western black people are actively involved in any plans that we talk about regarding the black race. You on the other hand talk about the issue with lack of knowledge and consultation. So my friend don't be hasty and say I lack knowledge of the subject, the shoes should be on the other foot.

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It would not be 'repatriation' if there were no funds involved. The restoration would take money, and they would be obligated to pay for it.

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What can I say, you have proved my earlier point. If we as a people do not learn a few lessons from the Jews and refuse to depend on others before we can do anything to survive then my friend we are doomed. Self reliance is the key, lose sight of that and I would say you are a dreamer

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I've endured pain and misery and this is the culmination of my attempt to rid myself of it. I definitely intend to leave, but not before distancing the american image from my own. I suppose though, in attempting to relate my motivations I have possibly confused you. My concerns with the future are not similar to yours. My motivations are not the same as yours. We are not alike in mind, henry38, so for you to suggest I 'examine my motives' would be for me to 'see things your way', and regress to a comfort level I have long ago left behind.

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I have not offered you anything to look at. If I did you should have quoted me,. By asking you to examine your conscience is just an invitation for you to learn the FACTS and be VERY VERY HONEST with yourself before you make any hasty moves which can blow up in your face and end up destroying you.

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Does anyone rember my topic by the same title?

This is not a small issue, but I am rushed for time, but I have got to chim' in really quik...

1st in regards to the where, I have allready set a criteria for what a prospective African country should have, and here is a short list..

1. A coast, a non land locked country
2. A lot of land: Africa has a about 1/2 dozen or so countires w/ extremely large land areas w/ comparitivley small populations.

3. Natural resources..

Possible repatriation sites: Namibia, Angola, Zimbabwe, *Mauritania, Mozambique, Ghana, *Botswana, S. Africa (Azania).

Not all of these countries fit the profile, but have their repsective pros and cons..

This is a topic that I have given considerable thought to..

Henry38, it is apparent that you don't susbcribe to the information people post here in an attempt to inform you. Have you not heard, before now, that these 'white jews' are not the original Israelites? Do you not know that you yourself have more right to the title 'jew' than they? If you have not, that is because your american mentality is confined to western ideas.

What you believe is false. Regurgitated matter that has been fed to you over and over and over again. Now you present it to me as if I do not recognize it for what it is, under the pretense you 'know' better than I. Move along please. This space is reserved for legitimate contributors to this discussion. Speaking of which-

blaqfist: drop me a line? I'd like to discuss the details of your thoughts on this subject.

soul_doctor73@hotmail.com

Peace to you

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Soul-doctor I have been on this board long before you even heard of it thank you very much so I have a fair idea of the view point expressed and what you are saying has never really been touched on as I would have been a major contributer to the topic. It's your ignorance which I find amazing.

Anyway I would leave you and blagfist to put your head togther on the matter. I am done, Good luck

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Henry, I have absolutely no concern for how long you have been 'on this board'. What is that supposed to mean? You have longevity? You got seniority? It certainly does not mean you have LEARNED anything. A major contributor to the topic? Blaq said he put up a post on this very topic. Where was your contribution to it?

As for your being done, THANK YOU. Adios. But it isn't *my* ignorance you find 'amazing', henry, but you don't recognize that. It's no problem. I understand.

'Major contributor to the topic'. THIS is the topic. WHAT has your contribution been? Need I SPELL IT OUT?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by soul_doctor73:
Reserve a seat, but decline to fly? No, I don't think so Jim. sd

I did misread your original intent. Sorry.

But don't reserve a seat for me. I'm not going. Ridin' or walkin'

Reasons are not really relevant here.

PEACE

Jim Chester

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souldoctor73:

Since I missed the boat on your point of "repatriation", I felt compelled to investigate. I am personally against the "back to Africa" philosophy. I do not oppose, or argue against either the philosophy of the act by/for others. I do think applying "repatriation" to the process, however, is really reaching.

To repatriate has to do with "going back to one's country" or allegiance, origin, or citizenship.

There is no "going home" for African American-americans. Even "home" doesn't know who we are.

I recognize the substitution of "Africa the continent" to replace the loss of knowledge of ancestral nationality, or even tribal origin. However, there is no allegiance to be regained. There is no citizenship to be stored. It stikes me as lacking effort to recruit others to go "knock on someone's door", and say, "WE'RE BAAACK!!"

What's the answer to the obvious question? "Who are you?" Do you say, "I'm soul_doctor73. I'm "black." Is color to be the passport for reentry anywhere in Africa, or only selected nations. Which ones? Why? Simply because of color?

But the fact, remains. To each his own.

America. What a country!!!!

By the way, one does not need a crowd to do this. Notable others have done it successfully.

PEACE

Jim Chester

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I am definitely down with the concept Soul doctor. I guess the seven miles of ships, in the black star line, would be more like 35miles long. I think the fact that it was done for Jewish people, who continually are funded in dollars, if not gold, and knowledge, yearly. However, I would not want to usurp the sovereignty of my African brothers and sisters in the land deal.

Truth is always fraught with impediments. Truth agreed with is a blessed duet. Truth confronting beloved vice will sever relationships, perpetrate flight, and uncover murderous rage. - Alexander Solzhenitsyn


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As I study the words and writings of W.E.B Dubois, and look at what he did in the later part of his life, leaving America and denouncing his citizenship; I too can see such frustration with this country and Black people who have assimilated in my future, thus repatriating is definitely something I would support..

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Originally posted by Faheem:
As I study the words and writings of W.E.B Dubois, and look at what he did in the later part of his life, leaving America and denouncing his citizenship; I too can see such frustration with this country and Black people who have assimilated in my future, thus repatriating is definitely something I would support..

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I think that's a very sensible way of looking at this. (Of course, because it's exactly what I think! )

I think we all should be able to *support* REPATRIATION - i.e. if not with all our means then at least not stand in the way of, talk against, work against or otherwise counteract the efforts of someone who favors this.

I think any worthwhile political-economic goal for us as a people should bear these global aspirations as well as our domestic ones in mind.

NOAH's (or whoever's) mention of Garvey's Black Star Line makes a pertinent point. Those who favor some type of mass Repatriation would be wise to erect a money making - aka fundraising - enterprise towards that end.

When you got the money, the *tangible* means (in hand), the plan and the plot of land (via pre-arrangement) then perhaps there would be a healthy response to "All Aboard!"...

Again, to rehash Faheem's point, I can see how "assimilating" NEGROES can frustrate the hell out of a brother (or sister).... So, I don't blame anybody that's ready to blow this joint...

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Originally posted by James Wesley Chester:
souldoctor73: Since I missed the boat on your point of "repatriation", I felt compelled to investigate. I am personally against the "back to Africa" philosophy. I do not oppose, or argue against either the philosophy of the act by/for others. I do think applying "repatriation" to the process, however, is really reaching. To repatriate has to do with "going back to one's country" or allegiance, origin, or citizenship.



There is no "going home" for African American-americans. Even "home" doesn't know who we are.

I recognize the substitution of "Africa the continent" to replace the loss of knowledge of ancestral nationality, or even tribal origin. However, there is no allegiance to be regained. There is no citizenship to be stored. It stikes me as lacking effort to recruit others to go "knock on someone's door", and say, "WE'RE BAAACK!!"

What's the answer to the obvious question? "Who are you?" Do you say, "I'm soul_doctor73. I'm "black." Is color to be the passport for reentry anywhere in Africa, or only selected nations. Which ones? Why? Simply because of color?

But the fact, remains. To each his own.

America. What a country!!!!

By the way, one does not need a crowd to do this. Notable others have done it successfully.

PEACE
Jim Chester

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Have you ever heard of Stockholm's Syndrome Jim? Well that what happened to us africans on a mass scale. Now, for the most part, few desire or are even willing to contemplate 'repatriation'. The idea is ludicrous to them. Where have they ever been that can be considered 'home'? Who would we, or could we, call 'family'?

For me, the questions are: do I want to be associated with my own slave attrocities? If I am an 'american', doesn't that mean I condoned 'america's' massacre of the native indians? Does that mean my kind shares in the guilt of the murder of countless millions of innocent lives? Is it my philosophy, as an african american, that has lead to the hated image of the 'americans'? Am I guilty by association? Is my silence my consent?

I no longer view my self image in relation to my means of living. I am not 'great' because I am an american and this country is the most powerful in the world and we can 'help' people. The image of america I had nothing to do with. Her wealth, maybe, but I am not so concerned about that as I am by the fact that I am up to my knees in the blood of murders both ancient and modern. No sir. I am not proud to be an 'american'.

But as you said Jim, what a 'country'. Indeed, to each his own personal desire. I'd rather die of starvation and exposure than march another foot with this death machine.

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You are definitively kicking the Soul...Doctor. I would add that one couldn't love America and their life in it, without loving the ingredients that made it what it is. Those ingredients include atrocities against the Natives, to acquire the LAND and the enslavement of Africans as free LABOR for the free land. If it was not for those events, hey, lets be real, most of us would not even be here and that goes for blacks and whites.

How many black people, assuming that they could time travel, would allow 12 generations of enslavement and suffering of their forefathers and mothers, just so that one or two current generations can live better than Africans in Africa? The truth is that whatever we enjoy today, it was born from our ancestors suffering and cannot be separated from it. It would be like someone murdering your parents for profits, while you were in your youth, and then converting that profit into some sort of opulent reality. Now, here you come as an adult and worshiping and loving the reality built from the murdering of your parents...its borderline psychotic.

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Noah The African in America

So why can't you just save some money and go? What is the point of waiting? Why is the lawsuit necessary? Save some money, then move, set up shop, and sue anyway. What's stopping you, exactly?

"But as you said Jim, what a 'country'. Indeed, to each his own personal desire. I'd rather die of starvation and exposure than march another foot with this death machine.' -- soul_doctor73

That's quite a statment. I hope it is figurative.

Expatriation seems like you preferred choice.

Repatriation has long been denied us.

I hope you achieve your goal.

PEACE

Jim Chester

You are who you say you are. Your children are who you say you are.

Soul_Doctor73, I understand what 'Repatriation' is. I was responding to a post here about reparations. Thanks for your clarification, although I didn't need it.

Our people have made the mistake of confusing the methods with the objectives. As long as we agree on objectives, we should never fall out with each other just because we believe in different methods, or tactics, or strategy. We have to keep in mind at all times that we are not fighting for separation. We are fighting for recognition as free humans in this society
Malcolm X, 1965

If it was my mistake, I apologize Yssys, though I did not find where you saw 'reparations' to be the subject to which you were responding. Unless you were not responding to my post.

sd

Cry FREEDOM

Freedom Revolution to Establish the Egalitarian Deporment Of Mankind.

Jim: Figurative in the sense that the Unites States is not a 'machine'. However, were it a literal machine from which I could get off, I would do so immediately. So, however you wish to view it is fine. The 'denial' of repatriation is incorrect since we were not given the opportunity to, lawfully, repatriate.

Vox: This being a 'free' country and one being able to up and leave at will does not equate with 're'patriation. For the *wrong* to be made *right*, it must be as it was, *before* they aquired us and transformed us into what we are today, a minority of 'official' immigrants lost to history. It is time to set the record straight. I don't want to 'immigrate' to a new country. I want to de-immigrate from this one.

Just leaving is not good enough. It would mean that the crimes of the past have not be acknowledged and the resultant wrongs have not been made right. It would still mean that more african americans are living in poverty than their counterparts. It would still mean that african americans have to fight for their civil 'rights', and 'right' to vote. It would still mean that african americans are second class citizens of a country that has fully exploited them and will continue to do so. It will mean that african americans would remain ignorant of their past, incapable of changing their present, and completely excluded from the shaping of their futures.

I am not thinking just of my self. I want to make a statement the world will hear. That we are not just going to sit by and take this any more. No longer will we be the chumps everyone can dump on. I'm putting up my dukes and making a stand. For the gutter blacks no one seems to remember too.

Why leave and let them rot in this filthy place? Will american ever reach down to pick them up? Will some white president in america's future ever set aside his constituents to focus solely on the needs of those *his* forefathers decieved and neglected?

I am keenly aware of the fact that there exists others who do not have access to the things we daily take for granted. Computers, electricity, food. Hot water, cold showers. A change of clothes. America cares about them about as much as she cared about me. Were I not able to 'contribute', I'd be in the gutter too.

I don't intend to leave them behind even if I am able to do so. That is why the government must foot the bill. These people are the result of their policy and treating them as if the shamble of their lives is somehow their fault is not my idea of justice. Not by a long shot.

And I'm tired of waiting for someone to come along and do it for me.

sd

Cry FREEDOM

Freedom Revolution to Establish the Egalitarian Deporment Of Mankind.

"Soul-doctor I have been on this board long before you even heard of it thank you very much so I have a fair idea of the view point expressed and what you are saying has never really been touched on as I would have been a major contributer to the topic...."

henry38

6 pg. topic on Repatriation I started.